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Joe,
Try reading it again, more slowly. The Obama Administration is saying half to 2/3 of all employer based insurances goes away immediately when the employer mandate kicks in. This was filed by the Justice Dept as a finding of fact submitted in a legal brief to a Federal Court. I am not saying this....Obama is saying it.
Guy, you keep taking that out of context, but, no, not really.
I mean, I know you really, really, really need to believe this....
I'm just not sure why the thought of poor people getting health insurance horrifies you so much.
Oh, yeah... because "Freedom" or something.
Joe...do you understand this, yes or no? According to the Obama Administration, half to 2/3 of all employer based insurance get cancelled or termed as soon as the employer mandate gets enforced. This point is not debatable. It is fact...per the Obama Administration.
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Joe...do you understand this, yes or no? According to the Obama Administration, half to 2/3 of all employer based insurance get cancelled or termed as soon as the employer mandate gets enforced.
Guy, I understand you don't have God's first fucking clue as to how group plans work.
I know you DESPERATELY need people to be in a panic about this, because, honestly, panic is all you guys have.
"That's because"....Wow, you guys are delusional.
Most employer programs ALREADY meet the mandate. This is kind of what you don't get, is that unilke individual plans, the pools for employers are large enough to spread the risk around.
Now, yeah, here's the number you keep taking out of context that every year, the old plans are cancelled and they have to come up with new plans that are usually 90% the same as the old one.
I think what you guys are a bit confused about is that there is a plan called "ObamaCare" that is actually paying out money. There really isn't. It's just an expansion and mandates on existing plans.
Joe,
Try reading it again, more slowly. The Obama Administration is saying half to 2/3 of all employer based insurances goes away immediately when the employer mandate kicks in. This was filed by the Justice Dept as a finding of fact submitted in a legal brief to a Federal Court. I am not saying this....Obama is saying it.
thats because 2/3 of those policies ether will have the ability to raise your rates when you get ill, or cancel you because of a preexisting condition that you forgot to report ... or they really don't cover anything at all ... right now those policy don't fit the health care requirements ... so their provider has to bring it up to the standard of health care ... what they will find out is the company will pay less money for more coverage ... many company who have gone ahead and sign up for the new plans have discovered this... the republican party has left that tiny piece of info out... I wonder why...
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obama isn't saying this the justice dept is ...
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I'm just not sure why people buying their own insurance as opposed to buying it from the government horrifies you so much.
Oh, yeah, because you "like to help the poor" or something. Gee, how does buying a plan more expensive than the one you just got kicked off of because Democrats "like helping the poor" helping the poor, exactly?
Give me an effing break.
Probably because having been FUCKED IN THE ASS by a big insurance company because I had some silly idea that when I paid into an insurance plan and worked for insurance coverage, I wouldn't lose my job after I made a claim.
Here's the thing. The Insurance industry are a real bunch of lying, cheating scumbags, every last one of them. But you clowns on the right INSISTED that instead of going to a cheaper, more efficient and more equitable SINGLE PAYER plan like every other country has gone to, we just HAD to preserve private insurance's slice of the pie.
"Oh, my God, we can't cheat our customers anymore?"
I go to a Chiropractor about every 5-6 weeks. The staff members are very friendly and I like to talk to them during my visits.Guy, I understand you don't have God's first fucking clue as to how group plans work.
I know you DESPERATELY need people to be in a panic about this, because, honestly, panic is all you guys have.
Joe I have been a healthcare provider for over 25 years and did Hospital and Physician contracting and Provider relations for United Healthcare for over 8 of those years. I know exactly what I'm talking about.
I have to dip my toe in that stuff occasionally and holy crap, I don't know how you folks do it. My best friend is a VP with a medical billing software company, and he says it's a massive clusterfuck. The rules keep changing, there ARE no rules yet in some cases, and it's costing his company BIG.
No surprise, of course, but I hate to see him going through this. He's just this side of a basket case right now.
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Guy, I understand you don't have God's first fucking clue as to how group plans work.
I know you DESPERATELY need people to be in a panic about this, because, honestly, panic is all you guys have.
Firstly, that's coming from someone who advocates a government who has not the slightest clue as to how to code a healthcare website properly.
Secondly, when 5.5 million people get kicked off of their insurance because you 'like helping the poor get health insurance' there is bound to be panic, dontcha think?
Do you have any fucking clue how the health insurance industry work?
Guy, most websites have rollout problems. Learn to deal.
Second, the health insurance industry doesn't work, unless you are a fat-cat insurance executive. That's the probelm. You should understand this better than most people.
Those 5.5 million had insurance policies that were so shitty they really should have been classified as snake oil.
Oh please cut the hippie anti establishment bullshit.Guy, I understand you don't have God's first fucking clue as to how group plans work.
I know you DESPERATELY need people to be in a panic about this, because, honestly, panic is all you guys have.
Joe I have been a healthcare provider for over 25 years and did Hospital and Physician contracting and Provider relations for United Healthcare for over 8 of those years. I know exactly what I'm talking about.
Oh, you're part of the verminous system that profits off of human suffering?
Really?
I mean, talking to an employee of United Healthcare about the merits of ObamaCare is like talking to a member of NAMBLA about the merits of Amber Alerts.
I know this is a trap they always do it ...I see.
So let's get this straight. I don't want to put words in your mouth so I will phrase these in questions:
Okay Mr. Research, lay it on me, looking forward to it.
- Are you saying that we'll all be getting better plans for less money? me YES
- Are you saying that all of the plans being replaced were lousy? not all but the majority ... Please provide examples, including existing PPO plans that are being replaced, like mine. NO!!! not wasting my time
- Are you saying I'll be saving $2500 per year on my plan? no !!!! don't know your income, don't know what your health care plan is, that's a trick question .... now if your speaking to my plan ... yes!!! its a 100 times better then the one I have now ... saving 300 dollars a month ...so no I won't get a savings of 2500 dollars a year... I will be saving 3600 dollars a year
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No trap.
So YOU'RE getting a better plan for less money. I'm not, even though I was promised you were never promised ever(a) I could keep my plan and (b) I'd be saving $2500 a year. Now, I realize you don't care about that, because you're getting yours. what you don't realize is i did my research ... thats why I don't pay more... thats why I don't care about yours... not because I got mine, because I did the research and you didn't ... you went to some right wing bull shit site and said poor poor pitiful me Many of us who do not qualify for subsidies are paying more for less. no you're not Speaking of research, you may want to look into that if you're going to keep debating the merits of the plan. I guarantee you what I just said will be happening to many people. I wonder if you'll come back and admit you were wrong. there wouldn't be any reason for me to admit I was wrong ... now why would I be sooooooo bold and say this ??? i did my god damn research on what I wanted and what I wanted to pay ... you didn't
I can understand that you don't want to "waste your time" proving this notion that millions of plans are inadequate, I get the same response from the other apologists. Ultimately, they end up saying, "well yeah, you're paying for stuff you don't need, but you're helping someone else pay for it." Right. That's what I said, and you objected.
And again, YOU'RE saving $3600 a year, I'll be paying about that much more. And again, I know you're okay with this -- let someone else pay for it -- but that's not what was promised. if you paid any attention on the health care subsidies or even went to the damn bill and look it up, but again that would require you to do some research which we have established you didn't ... these subsidies are being paid by a tax... a 2.2 % tax that all corporation pay for .... not you ...not your mother... your father, you kids, the corporation pays for it ... so stop your fake whining about you having to pay the bill you're not
Do promises matter to you? yes... the problem you have is you don't listen to what's being said ... not in any speech did obama promise you anything... he didn't promise everybody 2500 dollars saving, he clearly said some people will make up to 2500 dollars or more ... for some god damn reason you heard I promise you 2500 dollars a year ... that's your right wing bull shit talking points... again, stop the poor poor pitiful abused me bull shit
Thanks for answering my questions, and I have to wonder why you suggested I do some research when all I had to do to prove my point was ask you three questions.
this is the most pompous condescending remark of yours yet ... you were just wondering why I suggested you to do some research ... because you didn't prove your point here at all ... your points were right wing talking points ... based on not one bit of factual information just innuendo from the right in it .... then you lied about you having to pay more or others paying more ... if you have to pay more the policy you had didn't fit the standard plans requirements if you did your research like I asked then you wouldn't have come here with these bull shit talking points you would have know why hense this is a trap remark ...the reason you pay more that's because you weren't paying enough ... this is the typical response from people who don't do their research ...they want to play the I was happy with my insurance game and now I'm not cause Obama made me buy and new plan, ploy
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I know this is a trap they always do it ...
No trap.
So YOU'RE getting a better plan for less money. I'm not, even though I was promised (a) I could keep my plan and (b) I'd be saving $2500 a year. Now, I realize you don't care about that, because you're getting yours. Many of us who do not qualify for subsidies are paying more for less. Speaking of research, you may want to look into that if you're going to keep debating the merits of the plan. I guarantee you what I just said will be happening to many people. I wonder if you'll come back and admit you were wrong.
I can understand that you don't want to "waste your time" proving this notion that millions of plans are inadequate, I get the same response from the other apologists. Ultimately, they end up saying, "well yeah, you're paying for stuff you don't need, but you're helping someone else pay for it." Right. That's what I said, and you objected.
And again, YOU'RE saving $3600 a year, I'll be paying about that much more. And again, I know you're okay with this -- let someone else pay for it -- but that's not what was promised.
Do promises matter to you?
Thanks for answering my questions, and I have to wonder why you suggested I do some research when all I had to do to prove my point was ask you three questions.
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They simply don't care who they screw to use the system..............They manipulate everything to try and justify it, and can look you in the face and tell a bald faced lie.........................
They have no HONOR.
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Joey,
You were the one calling plans in the individual market "Sub-Standard." I pointed out that every single health insurance policy in America is fully vetted and approved by the Government, therefore your Obama talking point is utter bullshit.
Keep up, girlfriend. You seem real confused.
And the ones that are FAILING to be meet that vetting are the ones being cancelled now. The ones you guys are bitching about because what's the fun of being in the insurance industry if you can't see the horrified look on their faces when they find out their cancer was a pre-existing condition.
that's the honor eagle was talking about... its his honor to scew people out of their retirement and health care ...
Seriously, guy, the biggest problem with ObamaCare is he tried to work with you guys.
ain't that the truth
I'd have villified you to the point where your dog wouldn't like you.
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Joey,
You were the one calling plans in the individual market "Sub-Standard." I pointed out that every single health insurance policy in America is fully vetted and approved by the Government, therefore your Obama talking point is utter bullshit.
Keep up, girlfriend. You seem real confused.
And the ones that are FAILING to be meet that vetting are the ones being cancelled now. The ones you guys are bitching about because what's the fun of being in the insurance industry if you can't see the horrified look on their faces when they find out their cancer was a pre-existing condition.
Seriously, guy, the biggest problem with ObamaCare is he tried to work with you guys.
I'd have villified you to the point where your dog wouldn't like you.
Wrong again Joe. No plan has failed to met the vetting process. None. State Government does the vetting of insurance policies....not the Feds. To call insurance sub-standard when Government is directly involved in vetting and approving every single health insurance policy sold in America is completely fucking wrong. The insurance Companies do not set the rules, Joey. They never have. The Government does.
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Wrong again Joe. No plan has failed to met the vetting process. None. State Government does the vetting of insurance policies....not the Feds. To call insurance sub-standard when Government is directly involved in vetting and approving every single health insurance policy sold in America is completely fucking wrong. The insurance Companies do not set the rules, Joey. They never have. The Government does.
Guy, the problem is, you can hide through all the rigamorow you want, but here's the thing.
If I paid good money for insurance or my employer promised me insurance in exchange for work...
And they I get sick and they tell me why they can't pay for it-
SUB-STANDARD!
This really, really isn't fucking difficult.
And here's the thing. Your industry said, "Oh, please, please don't go to a public option or single payer, we promise we'll be good!"
Seriously, it's like one of those movies where they turn their back on the character who has already been established to be a weasel and they are surprised when he turns on them.
Joey,
It sounds like you went through a personal tragedy.If I could give you a bro hug I would.
But hey, since insurance companies are so bad....why did Obama lift up his skirts and let them have their way with him? I mean...Obamacare gives the insurance companies all the power.
the republicans would accept a government program you fool, but we already knew that, you seem to have forgot ...
Joey...you say you hate insurance companies, and yet in Obamacare, your Kenyan Messiah gives the insurance companies everything they want. Joey, I am not real sure how you work out the logic of all of that in your brain...but my guess is there is such powerful delusional rationalizations going on there.
Obama won because Republicans are not credible, didn't he?
Obama won because he is a world class liar and the media covered for him. From the latest polling if the election were held today...now the the American public is finally getting the truth and the media is starting to do its job...Romney wins.
Wow, you guys are delusional.
Most employer programs ALREADY meet the mandate. This is kind of what you don't get, is that unilke individual plans, the pools for employers are large enough to spread the risk around.
Now, yeah, here's the number you keep taking out of context that every year, the old plans are cancelled and they have to come up with new plans that are usually 90% the same as the old one.
I think what you guys are a bit confused about is that there is a plan called "ObamaCare" that is actually paying out money. There really isn't. It's just an expansion and mandates on existing plans.
Most employer policies already meet the requirements? Ok prove it. Second, it doesn't matter. Because once the employer mandate becomes effective, employers will begin dumping their employees insurance altogether because the fine is cheaper than insuring their employees. That is how this thing was set up. The deliberate scuttling of employer provided health insurance was the target of PPACA.
To address your last point, let's say for a moment you are correct. There is no such thing as obamacare.
I have two questions..
1. What is the $900 billion( estimated before passage then recalculated to cost three times that) for?
2.If Obamacare really is just mandates, then why is there a need for a 950 page law, 16,000 new IRS employees and a host of other new regulations and rules?
I go to a Chiropractor about every 5-6 weeks. The staff members are very friendly and I like to talk to them during my visits.Joe I have been a healthcare provider for over 25 years and did Hospital and Physician contracting and Provider relations for United Healthcare for over 8 of those years. I know exactly what I'm talking about.
I have to dip my toe in that stuff occasionally and holy crap, I don't know how you folks do it. My best friend is a VP with a medical billing software company, and he says it's a massive clusterfuck. The rules keep changing, there ARE no rules yet in some cases, and it's costing his company BIG.
No surprise, of course, but I hate to see him going through this. He's just this side of a basket case right now.
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The office manager and I have conversations about the Obamacare stuff in particular.
She told me the ACA has forced the insurers to revamp their coding to the extent that it was complex before. Now she says its massive. N the past she could do the coding herself. Now they had to hire a medical code person that is specifically trained in the new coding regulations. the Coder is helping the office manager understand the systems and is helping with the loading of the programs onto the office computer system
She says the files of information are massive.
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Joe...do you understand this, yes or no? According to the Obama Administration, half to 2/3 of all employer based insurance get cancelled or termed as soon as the employer mandate gets enforced.
Guy, I understand you don't have God's first fucking clue as to how group plans work.
I know you DESPERATELY need people to be in a panic about this, because, honestly, panic is all you guys have.
Joey,
It sounds like you went through a personal tragedy.
But hey, since insurance companies are so bad....why did Obama lift up his skirts and let them have their way with him? I mean...Obamacare gives the insurance companies all the power.
Joey...you say you hate insurance companies, and yet in Obamacare, your Kenyan Messiah gives the insurance companies everything they want. Joey, I am not real sure how you work out the logic of all of that in your brain...but my guess is there is such powerful delusional rationalizations going on there.
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Joe...do you understand this, yes or no? According to the Obama Administration, half to 2/3 of all employer based insurance get cancelled or termed as soon as the employer mandate gets enforced.
Guy, I understand you don't have God's first fucking clue as to how group plans work.
I know you DESPERATELY need people to be in a panic about this, because, honestly, panic is all you guys have.
Joe, why don't you provide a link that disproves her statement? Obviously people are having trouble simply taking your word on this, just like Obama when he said "If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it, period." It would appear the democrats can not be trusted in providing a health care option the people want.
43% Trust GOP More on Health Care, 39% Democrats - Rasmussen Reports?
