Fake Senate ACA Replacement Already Blocked!

[brummelben]

American carnage: Here are 7 ways the Senate’s Trumpcare bill will screw over patients
The Senate Republican Party released its proposed health care bill on Thursday — and while it had significant differences with the bill that passed the House, it will keep much of the original bill’s same architecture.

Wingers will immediately discredit this article because of its source, yet they cannot find any of the lies they whine about

 

[rightwinger]

Can anyone on here explain how Trumpcare is a better program than Obamacare?

 

[iceberg]

lets be honest, the reason they sign up is because of the fines if they don't in as much as anything.

wrong again, many do not pay fines

Individual Mandate Penalty You Pay If You Don't Have Health Insurance Coverage

argue with them.

How do you pay a penalty when you don't owe any taxes or your refund is way too small to cover any penalty?

good question. not my problem to solve however.

Nothing to solve. If you don't get a refund you don't pay a penalty

that isn't how this works. you're just blowing shit now so i'm out.

 

[brummelben]

wrong again, many do not pay fines

Individual Mandate Penalty You Pay If You Don't Have Health Insurance Coverage

argue with them.

How do you pay a penalty when you don't owe any taxes or your refund is way too small to cover any penalty?

good question. not my problem to solve however.

Nothing to solve. If you don't get a refund you don't pay a penalty

that isn't how this works. you're just blowing shit now so i'm out.

How does it work, honey bunch? You aint got a clue.

 

[The Derp]

Can anyone on here explain how Trumpcare is a better program than Obamacare?

Well, if you're in the 0.1%, it's way better because you got a YUGE tax cut. If you're not in the 0.1%, then it's bad.

 

[iceberg]

Individual Mandate Penalty You Pay If You Don't Have Health Insurance Coverage

argue with them.

How do you pay a penalty when you don't owe any taxes or your refund is way too small to cover any penalty?

good question. not my problem to solve however.

Nothing to solve. If you don't get a refund you don't pay a penalty

that isn't how this works. you're just blowing shit now so i'm out.

How does it work, honey bunch? You aint got a clue.

dude - when you do the talk down "honey bunch" you can go fuck yourself.

 

[brummelben]

How do you pay a penalty when you don't owe any taxes or your refund is way too small to cover any penalty?

good question. not my problem to solve however.

Nothing to solve. If you don't get a refund you don't pay a penalty

that isn't how this works. you're just blowing shit now so i'm out.

How does it work, honey bunch? You aint got a clue.

dude - when you do the talk down "honey bunch" you can go fuck yourself.

Thanks for the tip, honey bunch

 

[OKTexas]

So how do you block a draft bill?.

How do you go seven years of screeching vocal opposition to Obamacare, yet are only able to produce a draft bill???? What have they been doing these seven years? Why didn't anyone think to come up with a plan over the last 7 years that was fool-proof and air-tight? WTF have they been doing all this time?

Unfortunately they no longer have the votes for a straight repeal, which I would like to see. Name one welfare program that has been totally eliminated in the last 80 years. You know the commiecrats want to just put bandaids on maobamacare.


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[dblack]

Can anyone on here explain how Trumpcare is a better program than Obamacare?

More letters? Er... no, wait. Uh... oh I know. Less syllables!

Seriously though, it's no better. It starts with the same flawed premise: the idea that insurance is the best (some would say "only") way to pay for healthcare. The health care market is being strangled by too much insurance. Yet the Republican bill remains blindly fixated on the goal of promoting even more insurance. The insurance lobbyists are cheerfully encouraging them, of course, but most voters have also bought into that core delusion of ACA.

Insurance can't morph into a social safety net, no matter how much we "mandate". If we have decided, as a nation, that we want socialized medicine*, we should have the nerve to say so and do it properly. We could offer health care as a government service the way we do primary and secondary education - locally. Primarily through cities and counties. Our education system has resisted corporatization far better than similar government services, in part, because of this decentralized model. It avoids the centralized control that inevitably becomes a honey pot for corporate influence.


*pre-emptively: I'm defining socialism broadly as state control of the means of production. If you control the money necessary for any given endeavor, you control it. Period. If the government becomes the primary, or sole, source of income for doctors, the state will be in control of doctors. Doctors will, essentially, be employees of the state. It will, in principle and in fact, be socialized medicine.

 

[initforme]

cutting Medicare is not supported by most people. expect a mucher less drastic bill....which makes sense

 

[dblack]

good question. not my problem to solve however.

Nothing to solve. If you don't get a refund you don't pay a penalty

that isn't how this works. you're just blowing shit now so i'm out.

How does it work, honey bunch? You aint got a clue.

dude - when you do the talk down "honey bunch" you can go fuck yourself.

Thanks for the tip, honey bunch

What are you still doing here? You were TOLD to go fuck yourself!

 

[grainbely]

So obiecare will be left to fail. Not a risky gamble, many will be hurt though.

The problem of bringing insurers to the table has back fired as they now are leaving for political points. I believe it was Aetna that was caught doing this even in markets where they were making money so as to win gop favor.

I believe you need to support your opinion.

Aetna:
U.S. judge finds that Aetna deceived the public about its reasons for quitting Obamacare

They threatened to pull out of exchanges if their merger wasn't approved and then when it wasn't they pulled out of even profitable ones. They now will be out entirely in 2018.

I remember another source that I haven't found yet that had more juicy tidbits.

I'm going to look into the other merger that was blocked to see if anything similar happened.

 

[iceberg]

Nothing to solve. If you don't get a refund you don't pay a penalty

that isn't how this works. you're just blowing shit now so i'm out.

How does it work, honey bunch? You aint got a clue.

dude - when you do the talk down "honey bunch" you can go fuck yourself.

Thanks for the tip, honey bunch

What are you still doing here? You were TOLD to go fuck yourself!

they get moved to ignore at that point. the entire condecending crap is old.

 

[Geaux4it]

Hard to believe the Repubs will not support whatever HC Bill they end up with in the Senate. I would venture a guess they might lose the Senate in 2018 or 2020 if they don't pass something. Bitching about the ACA is so yesterday, they are in power now and they better be doing something or they're gone. And rightfully so.

I mean, they only had seven years to come up with something...

This bill reeks of desperation

Only desperation is ending anything Obama created/accomplished. And that list is very short

-Geaux

 

[Iceweasel]

So obiecare will be left to fail. Not a risky gamble, many will be hurt though.

The problem of bringing insurers to the table has back fired as they now are leaving for political points. I believe it was Aetna that was caught doing this even in markets where they were making money so as to win gop favor.

I believe you need to support your opinion.

Aetna:
U.S. judge finds that Aetna deceived the public about its reasons for quitting Obamacare

They threatened to pull out of exchanges if their merger wasn't approved and then when it wasn't they pulled out of even profitable ones. They now will be out entirely in 2018.

I remember another source that I haven't found yet that had more juicy tidbits.

I'm going to look into the other merger that was blocked to see if anything similar happened.

Go ahead but you'll just be playing with yourself. I am not a liberal so I don't embrace judges as gods. And I don't accept cherry picked data or opinion that defy logic. If the practice was profitable why wouldn't they stay? Of course they would. Problem is you lefties cannot accept the policies of your god not working in the real world. You can't force businesses to lose money and expect them to survive.

 

[Freewill]

Here is what I don't understand.

The most likely of people to have medical problems, expensive medical problems are the old. Yet they are covered under medicare for 139 a month. Although that only covers 80 percent of part B (hospital) it still covers most seniors.

Then the private insurance companies are offering all sorts of low cost supplemental/advantage plans, most with things like free gym membership without a monthly premium.

But buy something on Obamacare. High premiums, greater than 400/month easily, and high out of pocket for example 750 dollars to go to the emergency room and not be admitted.

But since most people are covered by employer subsidized health care insurance most either don't care or think Obamacare is great stuff because their uncle Lou has coverage and it is FREEEEEEEEE.

In my opinion medicare is far superior then anything I see on the exchanges, price wise. Is that because it is heavily subsidized by the government?

 

[grainbely]

So obiecare will be left to fail. Not a risky gamble, many will be hurt though.

The problem of bringing insurers to the table has back fired as they now are leaving for political points. I believe it was Aetna that was caught doing this even in markets where they were making money so as to win gop favor.

I believe you need to support your opinion.

Aetna:
U.S. judge finds that Aetna deceived the public about its reasons for quitting Obamacare

They threatened to pull out of exchanges if their merger wasn't approved and then when it wasn't they pulled out of even profitable ones. They now will be out entirely in 2018.

I remember another source that I haven't found yet that had more juicy tidbits.

I'm going to look into the other merger that was blocked to see if anything similar happened.

Go ahead but you'll just be playing with yourself. I am not a liberal so I don't embrace judges as gods. And I don't accept cherry picked data or opinion that defy logic. If the practice was profitable why wouldn't they stay? Of course they would. Problem is you lefties cannot accept the policies of your god not working in the real world. You can't force businesses to lose money and expect them to survive.

Your denial is fresh. Would this even warrant a second glance from you? Or even a motivated investigation?

I bet I can find more dirt on them leaving profitable exchanges.

 

[debbiedowner]

So obiecare will be left to fail. Not a risky gamble, many will be hurt though.

As expected, the bill released Thursday amounts to a massive rollback of the federal commitment to promote health care access and would instead pay for hundreds of billions of dollars in tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy.

I just love it when Republican liars and losers say something can't be done

Oscar is entering the Affordable Care Act market while other insurers have fled amid uncertainty over the future of the ACA, lack of a federal guarantee to continue cost-sharing reduction payments and lackluster financial performance.

Oscar to enter exchange market in six states

Do you think AETNA and Humana are the only two companies that can be the middle man? All they do is shuffle paper. They make nothing. They suck balls. Get out! We should move to single payer Medicare for all. If not, we will just let the free market push out the Humana's who are greedy and the Oscar's who will do it better for less.

They have been in a few states, expanding to a few and partnering with Cleveland clinic to go into Ohio.
Jared Kushners brother owns Oscar.

 

[debbiedowner]

lets be honest, the reason they sign up is because of the fines if they don't in as much as anything.

You can't achieve universal coverage and still have profitable insurance companies. So you need to decide what is more important to you; coverage or profits. Because you can't have both.

our insurance companies are not profitable? well they were until saddled with stupid things they had to now pay for.

when i was unemployed and didn't buy insurance (choosing to pay the fine) every time i needed something i got 50% off and paid in cash. care to tell me why i got 50% off? maybe that's insurance profits...

Most likely you could have gotten an exemption for hardship being unemployed and not had to pay the fine. Too bad most accounting tax firms didn't know that.

 

[Iceweasel]

So obiecare will be left to fail. Not a risky gamble, many will be hurt though.

The problem of bringing insurers to the table has back fired as they now are leaving for political points. I believe it was Aetna that was caught doing this even in markets where they were making money so as to win gop favor.

I believe you need to support your opinion.

Aetna:
U.S. judge finds that Aetna deceived the public about its reasons for quitting Obamacare

They threatened to pull out of exchanges if their merger wasn't approved and then when it wasn't they pulled out of even profitable ones. They now will be out entirely in 2018.

I remember another source that I haven't found yet that had more juicy tidbits.

I'm going to look into the other merger that was blocked to see if anything similar happened.

Go ahead but you'll just be playing with yourself. I am not a liberal so I don't embrace judges as gods. And I don't accept cherry picked data or opinion that defy logic. If the practice was profitable why wouldn't they stay? Of course they would. Problem is you lefties cannot accept the policies of your god not working in the real world. You can't force businesses to lose money and expect them to survive.

Your denial is fresh. Would this even warrant a second glance from you? Or even a motivated investigation?

I bet I can find more dirt on them leaving profitable exchanges.

Private companies are not the property of the US government. It's more complicated than retail since people are paying for insurance so I'd say the fair thing is for them to have an escrow account if they want to get into it.

It's also more complicated if the government moves the goal posts on them.