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If you mean real honest to goodness fascism, I agree.That's part of it. But you're kidding yourself if you think the new fascism is somehow different ("It's different when we do it"). It's not. It's the same insidious mindset and it will rot our nation from the inside out, the same way it rots every nation that embraces it.
But if you mean the twin brother of that other leftist cliche, racism, then I disagree.
Fascism is too often just a knee jerk thoughtless charge used to get someone to shut up and go away.
It's a gutless rhetorical bludgeon used by the left and just like racism, it has lost almost all of it's meaning.
If I was an actual fascist I would welcome that term being thrown around by keyboard warriors because it
deadens it's effects and makes such a charge boring and repetitious to the point of meaninglessness.
And what does "elevate" us then?Yep. I sure don't like it. Nationalism doesn't elevate us. It does the opposite.
You can really only do that yourself. Friends and community can help, but membership in a group isn't going to magically make you a better person.
That depends on the ideals of a nation. If they are good then nationalism can magnify that effect to a degree impossible for an individual to attain.You can really only do that yourself. Friends and community can help, but membership in a group isn't going to magically make you a better person.
I believe in the classic "liberal" ideals of America as expressed in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence.
Is Trump a fascist? I don't see it.No, I mean the twin brother of the leftism I call "Trump Nationalism". You can tell yourself it's not "real fascism", and hide behind Godwin - but you're pushing our country toward ruin if you do.
Yeah....IF!
The Proud Boys was founded to be a fraternal organization, to give young men "friends and community" and a couple of guidelines to make themselves better people.
Read it...it proves exactly the opposite of what you are trying to imply. The thrust of the article is that many people stayed with the Dems because of Economic issues and that the shift from L to R...in the South was due to demographic issues. OK..but the ideological basis of the Democratic party in the South...did shift..and the Republican party did embrace those former Dixiecrats.Don't have to 'back it up'--it's history. Either you are intelligent enough to know this..or you are an idiot with an agenda. Yo seem to think that if you shout out a lie loud enough..people will reject the truth in your favor. I doubt it.Penelope claimed that the Proud Boys support closing all prisons, legalizing drugs and shutting down the government.
I have admitted that if she can post a link to support that, that that would be "Far right".
Your smugness is blinding you.LOL...nope..it is the truth known and accepted by everyone except idiots with an agenda. I'll not bother, once again, posting the relevant history..as it would make no difference to you.No, they did not. That is a lie told by liars.
Got it. YOu know it, but can't back it up. Same as before. Thanks for your input.
Rhetoric is no substitute for intelligence.
I've posted excepts and links to studies that show that the Myth of the Southern Strategy, is just that, a myth.
I've done so many times. The response I get from libs, is much like yours.
"Everyone knows, huh, huh, huh. Can't hear you"
Here if you want to read up on it.
The Myth of ‘the Southern Strategy’
The only myth is the one that says that the Democrats of 1860 are the Democrats of 2019.
Interestingly, I don't think Trump is a fascist. He's a con-man. His followers, however, are all-too-often admitted nationalists and fascists.Is Trump a fascist? I don't see it.No, I mean the twin brother of the leftism I call "Trump Nationalism". You can tell yourself it's not "real fascism", and hide behind Godwin - but you're pushing our country toward ruin if you do.
It is true and I do promote nationalism...a belief in American ideals and sovereignty.If that were true, you wouldn't be promoting nationalism.
The Proud Boys was founded to be a fraternal organization, to give young men "friends and community" and a couple of guidelines to make themselves better people.
Sure. Just like the YMCA or the Rotary Club.
I gladly admit to being a nationalist as I have defined it. If you want to define it in a Howard Zinn type of way I in no way agree.Interestingly, I don't think Trump is a fascist. He's a con-man. His followers, however, are all-too-often admitted nationalists and fascists.
Its a bit ambitious of them to tell a bunch of wankers to give up wanking. No wonder they are always looking for a fight,The Proud Boys was founded to be a fraternal organization, to give young men "friends and community" and a couple of guidelines to make themselves better people.
Sure. Just like the YMCA or the Rotary Club.
Correct. But as another lib in this thread pointed out, such a move has become controversial.
I gladly admit to being a nationalist as I have defined it.
Its a bit ambitious of them to tell a bunch of wankers to give up wanking. No wonder they are always looking for a fight,The Proud Boys was founded to be a fraternal organization, to give young men "friends and community" and a couple of guidelines to make themselves better people.
Sure. Just like the YMCA or the Rotary Club.
Correct. But as another lib in this thread pointed out, such a move has become controversial.
So you didn't read the part where I call for classic liberal American values and sovereignty? (#208)Ahh.. you have your own "special" definition. I didn't realize. Nevermind then.
How is wanking bad for your health ?Its a bit ambitious of them to tell a bunch of wankers to give up wanking. No wonder they are always looking for a fight,The Proud Boys was founded to be a fraternal organization, to give young men "friends and community" and a couple of guidelines to make themselves better people.
Sure. Just like the YMCA or the Rotary Club.
Correct. But as another lib in this thread pointed out, such a move has become controversial.
Very ambitious. And healthy for the young men involved.
You have noticed that they almost never START the fights, right?
If we use your example it makes one kind of stupid and dull witted.How is wanking bad for your health ?
Racists tend to be far right.
How is wanking bad for your health ?Its a bit ambitious of them to tell a bunch of wankers to give up wanking. No wonder they are always looking for a fight,The Proud Boys was founded to be a fraternal organization, to give young men "friends and community" and a couple of guidelines to make themselves better people.
Sure. Just like the YMCA or the Rotary Club.
Correct. But as another lib in this thread pointed out, such a move has become controversial.
Very ambitious. And healthy for the young men involved.
You have noticed that they almost never START the fights, right?
So you didn't read the part where I call for classic liberal American values and sovereignty?Ahh.. you have your own "special" definition. I didn't realize. Nevermind then.
So you didn't read the part where I call for classic liberal American values and sovereignty?Ahh.. you have your own "special" definition. I didn't realize. Nevermind then.
I ignored it. That's because, from the context of the rest of your posts, I don't think you have the slightest comprehension of classic liberal American values. If you did, you'd see that fascism is wholly incompatible.
It's interesting the way socialists and nationalists are playing the same game. Each group is trying to re-claim a term that has, for good reason, become a pejorative. And I have to wonder why.
If the socialism of Bernie Sanders and AOC isn't really socialism, or is supposed to be radically different than traditional perceptions of socialism, why call it "socialism"?
Likewise, if the nationalism Trump is selling has nothing to do with the nationalism that has caused so many problems historically, why use the word?
In both cases, the truth is that the "new" campaign (for nationalism or socialism) isn't any different that the previous round. Socialists want real socialism and nationalists want real nationalism. It's the same socialism and nationalism that we rejected previously. But by abusing the terms with constant equivocation, they're hoping to get people to accept them without consideration.
