Father of murdered boy understands the gun issue....why don't other anti gunners?

[2aguy]

This father lost his son to criminal gun violence....and he isn't calling on punishing non criminal gun owners...he actually understands that criminals were to blame and that all the gun control laws pushed by anti gun extremists would have done nothing to save his son....

Grieving father critical of Cali gun control proposals (VIDEO)

Christopher Ellis, a father who lost his 14-year-old son, Davon, in February due to gun violence, told KTVU that he thinks gun control would have little bearing on the streets of Oakland — a message not often expressed by victims of gun violence.

“[Gun control] is not effective where I live. I’m not against it, it’s just not effective because the environment that I live in, it just doesn’t have any bearing,” Ellis said. “Most people I know don’t go to gun stores to buy guns. They get it off the street.”

Addressing the measure to ban large-capacity magazines, he said, “The size of a magazine doesn’t really matter. When you’re a target your a target. Whether you’re an innocent bystander or the intentional target. Size of the magazine doesn’t really matter.”

He had two suggestions for reducing gun crimes in Oakland.

The first had to do with parents being involved in their child’s life.

“At the end of the day, it comes down to parenting and it starts when they’re real little. Teach them right from wrong, steer them in the right path, and then also you have to set an example. If you’re mind is right then there’s a good chance your child’s mind will be right,” he said.

His second suggestion involved extending jail sentences for violent crimes, specifically mandatory life sentences for attempted murder and murder.

“The younger generation the only thing their scared of is losing their freedom. They’re not scared of anything else. Nothing else bothers them,” he said. “They’re not scared of the police. They’re not scared of their parents. They’re not scared of anybody. But the only thing they are scared of is losing their freedom.”


He actually understands the problem....families in the life of young boy's, and locking up the violent criminals who all too often get caught and released after committing crimes with guns.....pay attention to what this man says..because he is right....

Oakland is another city controlled by democrats for decades....and is on the list of most violent cities in the United States....

 

[TheOldSchool]

Sadly, while Oakland may have banned guns, this country has been so flooded wih guns that if you wanted one you could probably trip over one on the sidewalk.

The child in the OP was murdered by a weapon that once belonged to a "responsible" gun owner, possibly a typical gun nut, who either irresponsibly lost his gun somewhere, irresponsibly sold it to someone with bad intentions, or "responsibly" sold it to an irresponsible gun owner. A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country. And nobody knows where the overwhelming majority of them are.

 

[2aguy]

Sadly, while Oakland may have banned guns, this country has been so flooded wih guns that if you wanted one you could probably trip over one on the sidewalk.

The child in the OP was murdered by a weapon that once belonged to a "responsible" gun owner, possibly a typical gun nut, who either irresponsibly lost his gun somewhere, irresponsibly sold it to someone with bad intentions, or "responsibly" sold it to an irresponsible gun owner. A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country. And nobody knows where the overwhelming majority of them are.

And of course you blame all the people who didn't fire the weapon......

2014.... 8,124 gun murders....

320 million guns in private hands.....

That means.... 319,991,876 guns were not used to murder people...are owned by normal gun owners who don't shoot other people.....

over 13 million people carry guns for self defense.....


that means 13 million people actually carried guns legally and didn't shoot people......

the problem is not guns...the problem is fatherless homes and gun laws that don't target criminals, and prosectuors and judges who do not lock up violent criminals......

A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country.

So...according to your figure....400 million.....

That means that normal gun owners..... 399,991,876 of them did not use their guns to murder anyone....

Do you know which number is bigger, and by how much?

Cause if you do...you realize how stupid your post was....

 

[TheOldSchool]

Sadly, while Oakland may have banned guns, this country has been so flooded wih guns that if you wanted one you could probably trip over one on the sidewalk.

The child in the OP was murdered by a weapon that once belonged to a "responsible" gun owner, possibly a typical gun nut, who either irresponsibly lost his gun somewhere, irresponsibly sold it to someone with bad intentions, or "responsibly" sold it to an irresponsible gun owner. A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country. And nobody knows where the overwhelming majority of them are.

And of course you blame all the people who didn't fire the weapon......

2014.... 8,124 gun murders....

320 million guns in private hands.....

That means.... 319,991,876 guns were not used to murder people...are owned by normal gun owners who don't shoot other people.....

over 13 million people carry guns for self defense.....


that means 13 million people actually carried guns legally and didn't shoot people......

the problem is not guns...the problem is fatherless homes and gun laws that don't target criminals, and prosectuors and judges who do not lock up violent criminals......

A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country.

So...according to your figure....400 million.....

That means that normal gun owners..... 399,991,876 of them did not use their guns to murder anyone....

Do you know which number is bigger, and by how much?

Cause if you do...you realize how stupid your post was....

That 320,000,000 figure you quoted is old and the real number is closer to 400 million. Of all the first world countries in the world, there is none where it's as easy for a criminal to get a gun as in the U.S.

 

[westwall]

Sadly, while Oakland may have banned guns, this country has been so flooded wih guns that if you wanted one you could probably trip over one on the sidewalk.

The child in the OP was murdered by a weapon that once belonged to a "responsible" gun owner, possibly a typical gun nut, who either irresponsibly lost his gun somewhere, irresponsibly sold it to someone with bad intentions, or "responsibly" sold it to an irresponsible gun owner. A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country. And nobody knows where the overwhelming majority of them are.

Hmmmm, Norway has ALWAYS had gun control and Anders was able to get several and murder 77 people in the largest mass shooting in history. All in a "gun free" country. Kind of blows a huge hole in your logic there. Doesn't it....

 

[TheOldSchool]

Sadly, while Oakland may have banned guns, this country has been so flooded wih guns that if you wanted one you could probably trip over one on the sidewalk.

The child in the OP was murdered by a weapon that once belonged to a "responsible" gun owner, possibly a typical gun nut, who either irresponsibly lost his gun somewhere, irresponsibly sold it to someone with bad intentions, or "responsibly" sold it to an irresponsible gun owner. A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country. And nobody knows where the overwhelming majority of them are.

Hmmmm, Norway has ALWAYS had gun control and Anders was able to get several and murder 77 people in the largest mass shooting in history. All in a "gun free" country. Kind of blows a huge hole in your logic there. Doesn't it....

Oh trying that angle again? Let's see what should I go with... comparing the murder rate of Norway and the U.S., pointing out how laughably many more mass murders have happened in the U.S. compared to Norway, comparing murder rates in the U.S. to the rest of the first world, pointing out how laughably many more mass murders have happened in the U.S. compared to THE ENTIRE REST OF THE FIRST WORLD COMBINED?! Hmm what should I go with?

 

[2aguy]

Sadly, while Oakland may have banned guns, this country has been so flooded wih guns that if you wanted one you could probably trip over one on the sidewalk.

The child in the OP was murdered by a weapon that once belonged to a "responsible" gun owner, possibly a typical gun nut, who either irresponsibly lost his gun somewhere, irresponsibly sold it to someone with bad intentions, or "responsibly" sold it to an irresponsible gun owner. A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country. And nobody knows where the overwhelming majority of them are.

And of course you blame all the people who didn't fire the weapon......

2014.... 8,124 gun murders....

320 million guns in private hands.....

That means.... 319,991,876 guns were not used to murder people...are owned by normal gun owners who don't shoot other people.....

over 13 million people carry guns for self defense.....


that means 13 million people actually carried guns legally and didn't shoot people......

the problem is not guns...the problem is fatherless homes and gun laws that don't target criminals, and prosectuors and judges who do not lock up violent criminals......

A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country.

So...according to your figure....400 million.....

That means that normal gun owners..... 399,991,876 of them did not use their guns to murder anyone....

Do you know which number is bigger, and by how much?

Cause if you do...you realize how stupid your post was....

That 320,000,000 figure you quoted is old and the real number is closer to 400 million. Of all the first world countries in the world, there is none where it's as easy for a criminal to get a gun as in the U.S.

Hey...I'll go with 400 million...320 was a fairly recent number......

so again...400 million guns in private hands...

in 2014 gun murders went down again......total, 8,124

So 400,000,000 - 8,124 gun murders......

399,991876 guns in private hands that were not used to commit murder.....

again...can you tell which number is bigger....and why that is important/

Also...according to bill clinton, who commissioned a gun self defense study through his Department of Justice in 1994, hiring two, rabidly anti gun researchers to debunk Dr. Gary Kleck's research....Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack and save lives 1.5 million times a year.....

that is what bill clinton says.....


so....1,500,000 defensive gun uses that stop criminals....

8,124 gun murders.....

Hmmm...can you tell which number is bigger?

 

[TheOldSchool]

Sadly, while Oakland may have banned guns, this country has been so flooded wih guns that if you wanted one you could probably trip over one on the sidewalk.

The child in the OP was murdered by a weapon that once belonged to a "responsible" gun owner, possibly a typical gun nut, who either irresponsibly lost his gun somewhere, irresponsibly sold it to someone with bad intentions, or "responsibly" sold it to an irresponsible gun owner. A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country. And nobody knows where the overwhelming majority of them are.

And of course you blame all the people who didn't fire the weapon......

2014.... 8,124 gun murders....

320 million guns in private hands.....

That means.... 319,991,876 guns were not used to murder people...are owned by normal gun owners who don't shoot other people.....

over 13 million people carry guns for self defense.....


that means 13 million people actually carried guns legally and didn't shoot people......

the problem is not guns...the problem is fatherless homes and gun laws that don't target criminals, and prosectuors and judges who do not lock up violent criminals......

A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country.

So...according to your figure....400 million.....

That means that normal gun owners..... 399,991,876 of them did not use their guns to murder anyone....

Do you know which number is bigger, and by how much?

Cause if you do...you realize how stupid your post was....

That 320,000,000 figure you quoted is old and the real number is closer to 400 million. Of all the first world countries in the world, there is none where it's as easy for a criminal to get a gun as in the U.S.

Hey...I'll go with 400 million...320 was a fairly recent number......

so again...400 million guns in private hands...

in 2014 gun murders went down again......total, 8,124

So 400,000,000 - 8,124 gun murders......

399,991876 guns in private hands that were not used to commit murder.....

again...can you tell which number is bigger....and why that is important/

Also...according to bill clinton, who commissioned a gun self defense study through his Department of Justice in 1994, hiring two, rabidly anti gun researchers to debunk Dr. Gary Kleck's research....Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack and save lives 1.5 million times a year.....

that is what bill clinton says.....


so....1,500,000 defensive gun uses that stop criminals....

8,124 gun murders.....

Hmmm...can you tell which number is bigger?

I can tell which number is bullshit.

 

[2aguy]

Sadly, while Oakland may have banned guns, this country has been so flooded wih guns that if you wanted one you could probably trip over one on the sidewalk.

The child in the OP was murdered by a weapon that once belonged to a "responsible" gun owner, possibly a typical gun nut, who either irresponsibly lost his gun somewhere, irresponsibly sold it to someone with bad intentions, or "responsibly" sold it to an irresponsible gun owner. A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country. And nobody knows where the overwhelming majority of them are.

Hmmmm, Norway has ALWAYS had gun control and Anders was able to get several and murder 77 people in the largest mass shooting in history. All in a "gun free" country. Kind of blows a huge hole in your logic there. Doesn't it....

Oh trying that angle again? Let's see what should I go with... comparing the murder rate of Norway and the U.S., pointing out how laughably many more mass murders have happened in the U.S. compared to Norway, comparing murder rates in the U.S. to the rest of the first world, pointing out how laughably many more mass murders have happened in the U.S. compared to THE ENTIRE REST OF THE FIRST WORLD COMBINED?! Hmm what should I go with?

Do you realize how few people are victims of mass shooters in the U.S.......compared to other ways of dying in the U.S.....

From anti gun, left wing Mother Jones....

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Sooooo....


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation



How many deaths on average according to Mother Jones...anti gun, uber left wing Mother Jones.......each year, well less than 100.

2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf


Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369
Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505


Those are the numbers of deaths from mass shootings in the United States.....and even in the big year, 2012, they didn't break 73 deaths by criminals.

How many guns are there in American hands....320 million.

How many people carry guns for self defense...over 12.8 million.

 

[2aguy]

Sadly, while Oakland may have banned guns, this country has been so flooded wih guns that if you wanted one you could probably trip over one on the sidewalk.

The child in the OP was murdered by a weapon that once belonged to a "responsible" gun owner, possibly a typical gun nut, who either irresponsibly lost his gun somewhere, irresponsibly sold it to someone with bad intentions, or "responsibly" sold it to an irresponsible gun owner. A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country. And nobody knows where the overwhelming majority of them are.

And of course you blame all the people who didn't fire the weapon......

2014.... 8,124 gun murders....

320 million guns in private hands.....

That means.... 319,991,876 guns were not used to murder people...are owned by normal gun owners who don't shoot other people.....

over 13 million people carry guns for self defense.....


that means 13 million people actually carried guns legally and didn't shoot people......

the problem is not guns...the problem is fatherless homes and gun laws that don't target criminals, and prosectuors and judges who do not lock up violent criminals......

A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country.

So...according to your figure....400 million.....

That means that normal gun owners..... 399,991,876 of them did not use their guns to murder anyone....

Do you know which number is bigger, and by how much?

Cause if you do...you realize how stupid your post was....

That 320,000,000 figure you quoted is old and the real number is closer to 400 million. Of all the first world countries in the world, there is none where it's as easy for a criminal to get a gun as in the U.S.

Hey...I'll go with 400 million...320 was a fairly recent number......

so again...400 million guns in private hands...

in 2014 gun murders went down again......total, 8,124

So 400,000,000 - 8,124 gun murders......

399,991876 guns in private hands that were not used to commit murder.....

again...can you tell which number is bigger....and why that is important/

Also...according to bill clinton, who commissioned a gun self defense study through his Department of Justice in 1994, hiring two, rabidly anti gun researchers to debunk Dr. Gary Kleck's research....Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack and save lives 1.5 million times a year.....

that is what bill clinton says.....


so....1,500,000 defensive gun uses that stop criminals....

8,124 gun murders.....

Hmmm...can you tell which number is bigger?

I can tell which number is bullshit.

Yeah...that "Truth" thing...it is a big problem for you gun grabbers...it always makes you guys look silly....

 

[2aguy]

Sadly, while Oakland may have banned guns, this country has been so flooded wih guns that if you wanted one you could probably trip over one on the sidewalk.

The child in the OP was murdered by a weapon that once belonged to a "responsible" gun owner, possibly a typical gun nut, who either irresponsibly lost his gun somewhere, irresponsibly sold it to someone with bad intentions, or "responsibly" sold it to an irresponsible gun owner. A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country. And nobody knows where the overwhelming majority of them are.

Hmmmm, Norway has ALWAYS had gun control and Anders was able to get several and murder 77 people in the largest mass shooting in history. All in a "gun free" country. Kind of blows a huge hole in your logic there. Doesn't it....

Oh trying that angle again? Let's see what should I go with... comparing the murder rate of Norway and the U.S., pointing out how laughably many more mass murders have happened in the U.S. compared to Norway, comparing murder rates in the U.S. to the rest of the first world, pointing out how laughably many more mass murders have happened in the U.S. compared to THE ENTIRE REST OF THE FIRST WORLD COMBINED?! Hmm what should I go with?

Again.....European mass shooters get guns easily.....just as easily as mass shooters in the U.S. their gun laws don't stop them either and they had confiscations and have extreme gun control laws...far more extreme than ours....and when their nuts decide to shoot people...they get guns and shoot people.....

They have a population that doesn't shoot people...but that is changing....the 19 year old British kid who was caught with a glock 19 and 90 rounds and pipe bombs, who was going to shoot up the school that kicked him out....got the gun easily....

European police admit getting guns in Europe is easy......don't take my word...listen to the European police......

 

[2aguy]

Sadly, while Oakland may have banned guns, this country has been so flooded wih guns that if you wanted one you could probably trip over one on the sidewalk.

The child in the OP was murdered by a weapon that once belonged to a "responsible" gun owner, possibly a typical gun nut, who either irresponsibly lost his gun somewhere, irresponsibly sold it to someone with bad intentions, or "responsibly" sold it to an irresponsible gun owner. A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country. And nobody knows where the overwhelming majority of them are.

Hmmmm, Norway has ALWAYS had gun control and Anders was able to get several and murder 77 people in the largest mass shooting in history. All in a "gun free" country. Kind of blows a huge hole in your logic there. Doesn't it....

Oh trying that angle again? Let's see what should I go with... comparing the murder rate of Norway and the U.S., pointing out how laughably many more mass murders have happened in the U.S. compared to Norway, comparing murder rates in the U.S. to the rest of the first world, pointing out how laughably many more mass murders have happened in the U.S. compared to THE ENTIRE REST OF THE FIRST WORLD COMBINED?! Hmm what should I go with?

What European police say....

This story tracks gun smuggling in Europe.....lots of it....

European Police Face Being Outgunned by Jihadists With Assault Rifles



But although the police quickly traced the weapons source in the Paris attacks, stopping criminals and other jihadist cells in Europe from acquiring assault weapons for further attacks might not be so easy, according to police officials.



French police believe rifles are on sale in French cities for between €1,000 and €1,500. Earlier this month, Philippe Capon, head of the French police union UNSA, told Bloomberg News, “The French black market for weapons has been inundated with eastern European war artillery and arms.” A French police source told TIME that the weapons from the Charlie Hebdoattack came from the Balkans.

That is not the only source of weaponry. Donald says he fears that the continent might be facing a fresh influx of weapons from North Africa in the wake of the Arab Spring revolts. In August, 2011, Libyan rebels looted large quantities of mortars, tank shells and other munitions when Moammar Gaddafi’s regime collapsed. Although most of those weapons are believed to have filtered across North and West Africa, some could also have made their way to Europe.

The arms traffickers have flourished in the absence of well-financed antiweapons units in Europe, where law enforcement has for years tended to plow money into stopping drug-dealing and other crimes. “We don’t fully understand the scale of the problem because we have not had specialized units,” says Donald, referring to law-enforcement agencies in different E.U. countries. “It is a question of priorities. Any police officer will tell you it [resources] is a constant struggle.”

The trade in illegal weapons can earn enormous profits for organized criminal gangs — enough to make the risk of capture worthwhile. Donald says recent investigations have found arms traffickers investing about €30,000 in a shipment of Balkan-era weapons, refurbishing them in their garages, then selling them for them for about 10 times the price. “That’s a huge mark-up,” he says.

As Europe struggles to crack down on illegal weapons, some police recruits face a new training exercise: Go buy a Kalashnikov rifle. Donald says that in “a city in Europe,” which he would not name, “very young officers with no training or experience” were recently told to go find an assault weapon on the streets from an illegal arms dealer. “One came back two hours later with an AK-47,” Donald says. “He bought it for €1,000.”

 

[TheOldSchool]

Sadly, while Oakland may have banned guns, this country has been so flooded wih guns that if you wanted one you could probably trip over one on the sidewalk.

The child in the OP was murdered by a weapon that once belonged to a "responsible" gun owner, possibly a typical gun nut, who either irresponsibly lost his gun somewhere, irresponsibly sold it to someone with bad intentions, or "responsibly" sold it to an irresponsible gun owner. A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country. And nobody knows where the overwhelming majority of them are.

Hmmmm, Norway has ALWAYS had gun control and Anders was able to get several and murder 77 people in the largest mass shooting in history. All in a "gun free" country. Kind of blows a huge hole in your logic there. Doesn't it....

Oh trying that angle again? Let's see what should I go with... comparing the murder rate of Norway and the U.S., pointing out how laughably many more mass murders have happened in the U.S. compared to Norway, comparing murder rates in the U.S. to the rest of the first world, pointing out how laughably many more mass murders have happened in the U.S. compared to THE ENTIRE REST OF THE FIRST WORLD COMBINED?! Hmm what should I go with?

Again.....European mass shooters get guns easily.....just as easily as mass shooters in the U.S. their gun laws don't stop them either and they had confiscations and have extreme gun control laws...far more extreme than ours....and when their nuts decide to shoot people...they get guns and shoot people.....

They have a population that doesn't shoot people...but that is changing....the 19 year old British kid who was caught with a glock 19 and 90 rounds and pipe bombs, who was going to shoot up the school that kicked him out....got the gun easily....

European police admit getting guns in Europe is easy......don't take my word...listen to the European police......

Yeah mass shooters in europe get guns just as easily as in the U.S. That's why they have such a laughably tiny, measly fraction as many mass shootings as the U.S. has.

I mean good grief. I get it, guns are fun, they can protect you, but more guns and easier access to guns is not an answer. Jesus fucking Christ it's not hard.

 

[2aguy]

Sadly, while Oakland may have banned guns, this country has been so flooded wih guns that if you wanted one you could probably trip over one on the sidewalk.

The child in the OP was murdered by a weapon that once belonged to a "responsible" gun owner, possibly a typical gun nut, who either irresponsibly lost his gun somewhere, irresponsibly sold it to someone with bad intentions, or "responsibly" sold it to an irresponsible gun owner. A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country. And nobody knows where the overwhelming majority of them are.

Hmmmm, Norway has ALWAYS had gun control and Anders was able to get several and murder 77 people in the largest mass shooting in history. All in a "gun free" country. Kind of blows a huge hole in your logic there. Doesn't it....

Oh trying that angle again? Let's see what should I go with... comparing the murder rate of Norway and the U.S., pointing out how laughably many more mass murders have happened in the U.S. compared to Norway, comparing murder rates in the U.S. to the rest of the first world, pointing out how laughably many more mass murders have happened in the U.S. compared to THE ENTIRE REST OF THE FIRST WORLD COMBINED?! Hmm what should I go with?

Again.....European mass shooters get guns easily.....just as easily as mass shooters in the U.S. their gun laws don't stop them either and they had confiscations and have extreme gun control laws...far more extreme than ours....and when their nuts decide to shoot people...they get guns and shoot people.....

They have a population that doesn't shoot people...but that is changing....the 19 year old British kid who was caught with a glock 19 and 90 rounds and pipe bombs, who was going to shoot up the school that kicked him out....got the gun easily....

European police admit getting guns in Europe is easy......don't take my word...listen to the European police......

Yeah mass shooters in europe get guns just as easily as in the U.S. That's why they have such a laughably tiny, measly fraction as many mass shootings as the U.S. has.

I mean good grief. I get it, guns are fun, they can protect you, but more guns and easier access to guns is not an answer. Jesus fucking Christ it's not hard.

They have a smaller amount because they had less gun crime before they banned guns.....

they have a smaller amount because their nuts just don't do it....once they get a taste for it...it will happen more often.....it just happened in Britain, but they managed to catch the 19 year old, and a 15 year old used a gun in Australia to kill a police employee...and he could very easily have targeted a school.....

It is going to happen soon....and then what are you gun grabbers going to say....since they already banned guns and have extreme gun control....which didn't stop the shootings in France, the cartoonists and all the others, the shootings in Denmark, Sweden, Belgium.......it is coming.....

 

[2aguy]

Sadly, while Oakland may have banned guns, this country has been so flooded wih guns that if you wanted one you could probably trip over one on the sidewalk.

The child in the OP was murdered by a weapon that once belonged to a "responsible" gun owner, possibly a typical gun nut, who either irresponsibly lost his gun somewhere, irresponsibly sold it to someone with bad intentions, or "responsibly" sold it to an irresponsible gun owner. A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country. And nobody knows where the overwhelming majority of them are.

Hmmmm, Norway has ALWAYS had gun control and Anders was able to get several and murder 77 people in the largest mass shooting in history. All in a "gun free" country. Kind of blows a huge hole in your logic there. Doesn't it....

Oh trying that angle again? Let's see what should I go with... comparing the murder rate of Norway and the U.S., pointing out how laughably many more mass murders have happened in the U.S. compared to Norway, comparing murder rates in the U.S. to the rest of the first world, pointing out how laughably many more mass murders have happened in the U.S. compared to THE ENTIRE REST OF THE FIRST WORLD COMBINED?! Hmm what should I go with?

Again.....European mass shooters get guns easily.....just as easily as mass shooters in the U.S. their gun laws don't stop them either and they had confiscations and have extreme gun control laws...far more extreme than ours....and when their nuts decide to shoot people...they get guns and shoot people.....

They have a population that doesn't shoot people...but that is changing....the 19 year old British kid who was caught with a glock 19 and 90 rounds and pipe bombs, who was going to shoot up the school that kicked him out....got the gun easily....

European police admit getting guns in Europe is easy......don't take my word...listen to the European police......

Yeah mass shooters in europe get guns just as easily as in the U.S. That's why they have such a laughably tiny, measly fraction as many mass shootings as the U.S. has.

I mean good grief. I get it, guns are fun, they can protect you, but more guns and easier access to guns is not an answer. Jesus fucking Christ it's not hard.

I am not the one saying it....European police are saying it.....

Getting a gun legally in Europe may be hard, but terrorists have little trouble

In contrast with the free-firing United States, Europe is generally seen as a haven from serious gun violence. Here in Denmark, handguns and semiautomatic rifles are all but banned. Hunting rifles are legally available only to those with squeaky-clean backgrounds who have passed a rigorous exam covering everything from gun safety to the mating habits of Denmark’s wildlife.

“There’s a book about 1,000 pages thick,” said Tonni Rigby, one of only two licensed firearms dealers in Copenhagen. “You have to know all of it.”


But if you want an illicit assault rifle, such as the one used by a 22-year-old to rake a Copenhagen cafe with 28 bullets on Saturday, all it takes are a few connections and some cash.

“It’s very easy to get such a weapon,” said Hans Jorgen Bonnichsen, a former operations director for the Danish security service PET. “It’s not only a problem for Denmark. It’s a problem for all of Europe.”

 

[TheOldSchool]

Sadly, while Oakland may have banned guns, this country has been so flooded wih guns that if you wanted one you could probably trip over one on the sidewalk.

The child in the OP was murdered by a weapon that once belonged to a "responsible" gun owner, possibly a typical gun nut, who either irresponsibly lost his gun somewhere, irresponsibly sold it to someone with bad intentions, or "responsibly" sold it to an irresponsible gun owner. A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country. And nobody knows where the overwhelming majority of them are.

Hmmmm, Norway has ALWAYS had gun control and Anders was able to get several and murder 77 people in the largest mass shooting in history. All in a "gun free" country. Kind of blows a huge hole in your logic there. Doesn't it....

Oh trying that angle again? Let's see what should I go with... comparing the murder rate of Norway and the U.S., pointing out how laughably many more mass murders have happened in the U.S. compared to Norway, comparing murder rates in the U.S. to the rest of the first world, pointing out how laughably many more mass murders have happened in the U.S. compared to THE ENTIRE REST OF THE FIRST WORLD COMBINED?! Hmm what should I go with?

Again.....European mass shooters get guns easily.....just as easily as mass shooters in the U.S. their gun laws don't stop them either and they had confiscations and have extreme gun control laws...far more extreme than ours....and when their nuts decide to shoot people...they get guns and shoot people.....

They have a population that doesn't shoot people...but that is changing....the 19 year old British kid who was caught with a glock 19 and 90 rounds and pipe bombs, who was going to shoot up the school that kicked him out....got the gun easily....

European police admit getting guns in Europe is easy......don't take my word...listen to the European police......

Yeah mass shooters in europe get guns just as easily as in the U.S. That's why they have such a laughably tiny, measly fraction as many mass shootings as the U.S. has.

I mean good grief. I get it, guns are fun, they can protect you, but more guns and easier access to guns is not an answer. Jesus fucking Christ it's not hard.

They have a smaller amount because they had less gun crime before they banned guns.....

they have a smaller amount because their nuts just don't do it....once they get a taste for it...it will happen more often.....it just happened in Britain, but they managed to catch the 19 year old, and a 15 year old used a gun in Australia to kill a police employee...and he could very easily have targeted a school.....

It is going to happen soon....and then what are you gun grabbers going to say....since they already banned guns and have extreme gun control....which didn't stop the shootings in France, the cartoonists and all the others, the shootings in Denmark, Sweden, Belgium.......it is coming.....

Yeah I bet it'll happen soon, just like you nut jobs have been predicting for decades.

Oh well. I'm going to unsubscribe. I look forward to having this exact same conversation with you in like 10 minutes when you post your next thread about how somehow more guns makes it harder for criminals to get a gun.

 

[westwall]

Sadly, while Oakland may have banned guns, this country has been so flooded wih guns that if you wanted one you could probably trip over one on the sidewalk.

The child in the OP was murdered by a weapon that once belonged to a "responsible" gun owner, possibly a typical gun nut, who either irresponsibly lost his gun somewhere, irresponsibly sold it to someone with bad intentions, or "responsibly" sold it to an irresponsible gun owner. A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country. And nobody knows where the overwhelming majority of them are.

Hmmmm, Norway has ALWAYS had gun control and Anders was able to get several and murder 77 people in the largest mass shooting in history. All in a "gun free" country. Kind of blows a huge hole in your logic there. Doesn't it....

Oh trying that angle again? Let's see what should I go with... comparing the murder rate of Norway and the U.S., pointing out how laughably many more mass murders have happened in the U.S. compared to Norway, comparing murder rates in the U.S. to the rest of the first world, pointing out how laughably many more mass murders have happened in the U.S. compared to THE ENTIRE REST OF THE FIRST WORLD COMBINED?! Hmm what should I go with?

You claimed that the ready availability of firearms is to blame for our murder rate. I just showed that clearly that can't be the case. The real reason for our high murder rate is the fact that the majority of those who kill are part of violent street gangs. Take them off the street and our crime rate drops to that of Europe. That is what is known as a fact. Europe HAS no black or Hispanic gang problem.

You wish to compare a First World group of nations that enjoy HOMOGENEOUS cultures with ours, which sadly, has a huge number of Third World immigrants who have brought THEIR criminal lifestyles with them.

You're trying to compare a apple with a flamethrower.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Sadly, while Oakland may have banned guns, this country has been so flooded wih guns that if you wanted one you could probably trip over one on the sidewalk.

The child in the OP was murdered by a weapon that once belonged to a "responsible" gun owner, possibly a typical gun nut, who either irresponsibly lost his gun somewhere, irresponsibly sold it to someone with bad intentions, or "responsibly" sold it to an irresponsible gun owner. A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country. And nobody knows where the overwhelming majority of them are.

And of course you blame all the people who didn't fire the weapon......

2014.... 8,124 gun murders....

320 million guns in private hands.....

That means.... 319,991,876 guns were not used to murder people...are owned by normal gun owners who don't shoot other people.....

over 13 million people carry guns for self defense.....


that means 13 million people actually carried guns legally and didn't shoot people......

the problem is not guns...the problem is fatherless homes and gun laws that don't target criminals, and prosectuors and judges who do not lock up violent criminals......

A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country.

So...according to your figure....400 million.....

That means that normal gun owners..... 399,991,876 of them did not use their guns to murder anyone....

Do you know which number is bigger, and by how much?

Cause if you do...you realize how stupid your post was....

That 320,000,000 figure you quoted is old and the real number is closer to 400 million. Of all the first world countries in the world, there is none where it's as easy for a criminal to get a gun as in the U.S.

Thank you for the correction.

It militates more strongly against your absurd claims.

So thank you again.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Sadly, while Oakland may have banned guns, this country has been so flooded wih guns that if you wanted one you could probably trip over one on the sidewalk.

The child in the OP was murdered by a weapon that once belonged to a "responsible" gun owner, possibly a typical gun nut, who either irresponsibly lost his gun somewhere, irresponsibly sold it to someone with bad intentions, or "responsibly" sold it to an irresponsible gun owner. A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country. And nobody knows where the overwhelming majority of them are.

Hmmmm, Norway has ALWAYS had gun control and Anders was able to get several and murder 77 people in the largest mass shooting in history. All in a "gun free" country. Kind of blows a huge hole in your logic there. Doesn't it....

Oh trying that angle again? Let's see what should I go with... comparing the murder rate of Norway and the U.S., pointing out how laughably many more mass murders have happened in the U.S. compared to Norway, comparing murder rates in the U.S. to the rest of the first world, pointing out how laughably many more mass murders have happened in the U.S. compared to THE ENTIRE REST OF THE FIRST WORLD COMBINED?! Hmm what should I go with?

You claimed that the ready availability of firearms is to blame for our murder rate. I just showed that clearly that can't be the case. The real reason for our high murder rate is the fact that the majority of those who kill are part of violent street gangs. Take them off the street and our crime rate drops to that of Europe. That is what is known as a fact. Europe HAS no black or Hispanic gang problem.

You wish to compare a First World group of nations that enjoy HOMOGENEOUS cultures with ours, which sadly, has a huge number of Third World immigrants whop have brought THEIR criminal lifestyles with them.

You're trying to compare a apple with a flamethrower.

I'm sick of the Europe comparisons too. When Europe has a 13% black population, and 20 million illegal aliens that came through porous borders, then we can make a comparison. But the fact is, they're predominantly white and they actually enforce their immigration policy. So it's never a fair comparison.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Sadly, while Oakland may have banned guns, this country has been so flooded wih guns that if you wanted one you could probably trip over one on the sidewalk.

The child in the OP was murdered by a weapon that once belonged to a "responsible" gun owner, possibly a typical gun nut, who either irresponsibly lost his gun somewhere, irresponsibly sold it to someone with bad intentions, or "responsibly" sold it to an irresponsible gun owner. A cycle that has gone on far too uninhibited for decades to the tune of nearly 400 million guns in this country. And nobody knows where the overwhelming majority of them are.

Hmmmm, Norway has ALWAYS had gun control and Anders was able to get several and murder 77 people in the largest mass shooting in history. All in a "gun free" country. Kind of blows a huge hole in your logic there. Doesn't it....

Oh trying that angle again? Let's see what should I go with... comparing the murder rate of Norway and the U.S., pointing out how laughably many more mass murders have happened in the U.S. compared to Norway, comparing murder rates in the U.S. to the rest of the first world, pointing out how laughably many more mass murders have happened in the U.S. compared to THE ENTIRE REST OF THE FIRST WORLD COMBINED?! Hmm what should I go with?

You claimed that the ready availability of firearms is to blame for our murder rate. I just showed that clearly that can't be the case. The real reason for our high murder rate is the fact that the majority of those who kill are part of violent street gangs. Take them off the street and our crime rate drops to that of Europe. That is what is known as a fact. Europe HAS no black or Hispanic gang problem.

You wish to compare a First World group of nations that enjoy HOMOGENEOUS cultures with ours, which sadly, has a huge number of Third World immigrants whop have brought THEIR criminal lifestyles with them.

You're trying to compare a apple with a flamethrower.

I'm sick of the Europe comparisons too. When Europe has a 13% black population, and 20 million illegal aliens that came through porous borders, then we can make a comparison. But the fact is, they're predominantly white and they actually enforce their immigration policy. So it's never a fair comparison.

Take it up with the OP. He compares the U.S. to europe every single day.