FDR- the Icon Hero of the Left

[Votto]

If you want an overreach of power by FDR....look at how he took over ALL industrial production in the US and told them what they could produce and what resources and workers they could have

Nothing short of total socialism

Yet, it is the reason we won the war

To be fair to the young, Right winger, they do not have the slightest understanding of just how desperate the situation was back then.

Most younger people do not.

FDR was Human. He made mistakes, but his accomplishments far out weigh his mistakes.

They have no conception of a world with only radio’s, telephones with Operators.

I was born in the 50s but have read quite a bit about the war years. It was a different country with different values. Some values were better, some worse......but patriotism consumed the country. People would do anything FDR Said was needed......and we had it significantly easier than any other beligerant nation

FDR and Churchill were the two greatest leaders of the twentieth century. Without them, the postwar world would be significantly worse

Churchill, like Washington, was fighting for freedom and for their very lives.

FDR though, was not.

 

[rightwinger]

If you want an overreach of power by FDR....look at how he took over ALL industrial production in the US and told them what they could produce and what resources and workers they could have

Nothing short of total socialism

Yet, it is the reason we won the war

Indeed. Socialism is the key to building world conquering armies, so FDR adopted the same approach Hitler and Stalin did. He simply centralized power and poured half or more of his resources into the military.

Without socialism world wars would be impossible.

Thanks socialism

The problem is, since FDR created a centralized war machine the US has been at war across the globe ever since, even though they no longer take the time to declare war.

Now the US has troops in over 70 countries around the world, something Hitler could only fantasize about.

Imagine that....the right man for the right time

Imagine if we ran the war years like a democracy. Let the free market decide what war products would be produced and let the suppliers decide what needed to be done. Let critical war materials ...steel, aluminum, rubber, copper go to the highest bidder

FDR acted in a time of crisis and saved the world

 

[gipper]

Had FDR not done it, California was already going to and the possibility of mass killings of American/Japanese civilians would have happened..

Hard to recreate the hysteria of 1942 with a 2018 mindset

Ralph Carr did not live in 2018.

Good ole Ralph
One of the ONLY Americans to disagree
Most Americans cheered the idea

Doesn't matter if the Japanese Americans were a threat or not. That is not the deciding question. The real question is, is the Constitution the law of the land or not?

Clearly FDR and many other tyrannical presidents our nation has had to endure, do not believe the Constitution constrains their power to do whatever they want.

You obviously prefer tyranny of the executive (aka criminal scumbag), rather than a constitutional republic that limits the power of the central government. FDR should have been impeached and removed for this action and so many others the crook undertook.

you are making wayyyyyy too much sense for their warped minds to comprehend.careful too much logic,common sense and facts like this Gipper will overload their brains so much and fry them,they will be zombies incapable of talking if you keep posting so many of the documented criminal activities of FDR.

ever notice how the FDR worshiippers are as much brainwashed zombies as the reagannut worshippers are? sure would love to see them all in a room together and duke it out.Neither can understand as we do that both parties are corrupt and both controlled by the bankers. Trump being the exception him being a RINO nothing like the round table group against americans that Romney,Mccain,and Bush are thank god.

Yes...partisanship makes many on the left and right dumb non-thinking statist drones.

We have a government that in short is a criminal enterprise, and it matters not what party is in the majority. Both parties in my view, are criminal gangs much like Mafia families. We need to come together and get rid of both parties and the criminality so rampant in our federal government.

 

[Votto]

If you want an overreach of power by FDR....look at how he took over ALL industrial production in the US and told them what they could produce and what resources and workers they could have

Nothing short of total socialism

Yet, it is the reason we won the war

Indeed. Socialism is the key to building world conquering armies, so FDR adopted the same approach Hitler and Stalin did. He simply centralized power and poured half or more of his resources into the military.

Without socialism world wars would be impossible.

Thanks socialism

The problem is, since FDR created a centralized war machine the US has been at war across the globe ever since, even though they no longer take the time to declare war.

Now the US has troops in over 70 countries around the world, something Hitler could only fantasize about.

Imagine that....the right man for the right time

Imagine if we ran the war years like a democracy. Let the free market decide what war products would be produced and let the suppliers decide what needed to be done. Let critical war materials ...steel, aluminum, rubber, copper go to the highest bidder

FDR acted in a time of crisis and saved the world

Like I said, to fight like a Socialist you must become one. It is a conundrum. How do you fight such evil without trying to become like it?

If only Socialism could be suspended for just war time and then return the power back to the people instead of the warmongers.

Then again, the US seems to be in a continuous state of war ever since FDR, so........

 

[Camp]

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In fact, before Pearl Harbor the US broke the Japanese code, so why were they not ready again like they were for the battle of Midway? Oh yea, cuz FRD wanted Americans to support his war mongering efforts by having them respond to a "surprise" attack.

Japanese Naval code was not broken by American code breakers until late May 1942. What evidence do you have that the code was broken before Pearl Harbor? Please provide a link. Thank you.

 

[gipper]

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In fact, before Pearl Harbor the US broke the Japanese code, so why were they not ready again like they were for the battle of Midway? Oh yea, cuz FRD wanted Americans to support his war mongering efforts by having them respond to a "surprise" attack.

Japanese Naval code was not broken by American code breakers until late May 1942. What evidence do you have that the code was broken before Pearl Harbor? Please provide a link. Thank you.

This has been given to you by me and others over the years. Why do you always ignore the facts?

 

[Votto]

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In fact, before Pearl Harbor the US broke the Japanese code, so why were they not ready again like they were for the battle of Midway? Oh yea, cuz FRD wanted Americans to support his war mongering efforts by having them respond to a "surprise" attack.

Japanese Naval code was not broken by American code breakers until late May 1942. What evidence do you have that the code was broken before Pearl Harbor? Please provide a link. Thank you.

Capt. Eric Nave, 94; Broke Japan's Code Before Pearl Harbor

Dan van derDat, a British military historian, wrote in The Guardian last week that Mr. Nave made "enormous inroads" into Japanese coded messages. In June 1939, shortly before World War II broke out in Europe, the Japanese Navy began using an important new code. Captain Nave was able to read it by the end of the year.


He drew on his experiences in his book, "Betrayal at Pearl Harbor: How Churchill Lured Roosevelt Into World War II," which was published in the United States by Summit Books. Its other co-author was James Rusbridger.

The authors contend that if Britain had shared its understanding of the Japanese Navy's codes with the United States all through 1941, the Japanese force that mounted the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 1941, might have been crushed by forewarned American defenders.

"The denial of this information was no accident," the book says, "but the deliberate policy of Churchill himself to achieve his aim of dragging America into the war."

 

[Camp]

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In fact, before Pearl Harbor the US broke the Japanese code, so why were they not ready again like they were for the battle of Midway? Oh yea, cuz FRD wanted Americans to support his war mongering efforts by having them respond to a "surprise" attack.

Japanese Naval code was not broken by American code breakers until late May 1942. What evidence do you have that the code was broken before Pearl Harbor? Please provide a link. Thank you.

This has been given to you by me and others over the years. Why do you always ignore the facts?

No, it has not. You keep saying it does not make it true.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

He held similar racist views as the majority of America in 1942. In many ways he was more open than the rest of society.
There were very few Americans who did not want the Japanese locked up. No, he did not “know” the Japanese were no threat. Nobody in 1942 “knew” they were no threat
The consensus was better safe than sorry

It was 1942, not 1742. People knew right from wrong. Too bad you don’t.

1942 America did not know right from wrong. Blacks were officially segregated. Jews were banned from country clubs. Women had secondary status. Gays were openly beaten

Why are you shocked Japs were treated the way they were?

They did not know right from wrong? As early as Thomas Jefferson, they knew slavery was wrong. Jefferson even wanted to free the slaves in the Declaration of Independence, but was pressure not to in order for the Southern Colonies to sign on to the Constitution. For you see, they abandoned their conscience in favor of a larger more centralized government.

Then Lincoln and company offered the Southern states a Constitutional amendment that would have made slavery a Constitutional right with the Corwin amendment, if only they would return to the Union. Since they refused, he sent the troops in where over a million Americans lost their lives. Why? Because men years prior did not have enough back bone and moral fiber to do the right thing, cuz they craved the power so much.

I will agree that FDR did not know right from wrong. The man was an ardent racist, a war monger, and he despised the Constitution as seen with his court packing scheme.

In fact, before Pearl Harbor the US broke the Japanese code, so why were they not ready again like they were for the battle of Midway? Oh yea, cuz FRD wanted Americans to support his war mongering efforts by having them respond to a "surprise" attack.

Votto,you are one of the few extreme rare posters that have come on here that have taken the time to look at the documented evidence over the years that the FDR worshippers dont have a single interest in looking and learning about,they are in denial mode that their corrupt school system has brainwashed them their whole lives on this issue and too closed minded to look at the evidence.

excellent stuff there,well done.you took them all to school.I could not have said it better myself.

What I found interesting is when you visit Washington DC, all the monuments, except for maybe Jefferson, are dedicated to warmongers.

At least Washington turned down the opportunity to be king, and he voluntarily stepped down after 2 terms thus setting the precedent.......until FDR broke it by wanting to be a king. Congress then had to limit the terms by legislation to try and reduce the corruption seen under FDR.

As a result, I still like Washington but detest FDR. Washington just wanted to be free as where FDR just wanted to be a god.

I even remember visiting the FDR monument in DC. I walked up and there was this terrible smell. I looked up and it was a bunch of bathrooms. I thought to myself, how fitting.

as always,you got the FDR apologists crying in defeat.

thats not the least bit surprising to hear that in washington all the monuments are dedicated to warmongers like FDR considering washington has nothing but criminals there that run the country. Let me Guess? Reagan is listed there as well as one of them they idolize? No surprise in the least since as you well know,they want to carve his face into mount rushmore. why not? might as well,after all,his fellow war mongers Ike and FDR got to have their own coins right? I say lets do it.

 

[Votto]

They blamed Churchill in the article but I doubt FDR did not know.

I can't see Churchill risking the US losing it's fleet when they desperately needed them to fight the Nazi war machine.

No, it is no coincidence that just enough vessels were moved out of Pearl Harbor before the attack. Churchill had nothing to do with that, it was all the commander in chief

 

[Votto]

It was 1942, not 1742. People knew right from wrong. Too bad you don’t.

1942 America did not know right from wrong. Blacks were officially segregated. Jews were banned from country clubs. Women had secondary status. Gays were openly beaten

Why are you shocked Japs were treated the way they were?

They did not know right from wrong? As early as Thomas Jefferson, they knew slavery was wrong. Jefferson even wanted to free the slaves in the Declaration of Independence, but was pressure not to in order for the Southern Colonies to sign on to the Constitution. For you see, they abandoned their conscience in favor of a larger more centralized government.

Then Lincoln and company offered the Southern states a Constitutional amendment that would have made slavery a Constitutional right with the Corwin amendment, if only they would return to the Union. Since they refused, he sent the troops in where over a million Americans lost their lives. Why? Because men years prior did not have enough back bone and moral fiber to do the right thing, cuz they craved the power so much.

I will agree that FDR did not know right from wrong. The man was an ardent racist, a war monger, and he despised the Constitution as seen with his court packing scheme.

In fact, before Pearl Harbor the US broke the Japanese code, so why were they not ready again like they were for the battle of Midway? Oh yea, cuz FRD wanted Americans to support his war mongering efforts by having them respond to a "surprise" attack.

Votto,you are one of the few extreme rare posters that have come on here that have taken the time to look at the documented evidence over the years that the FDR worshippers dont have a single interest in looking and learning about,they are in denial mode that their corrupt school system has brainwashed them their whole lives on this issue and too closed minded to look at the evidence.

excellent stuff there,well done.you took them all to school.I could not have said it better myself.

What I found interesting is when you visit Washington DC, all the monuments, except for maybe Jefferson, are dedicated to warmongers.

At least Washington turned down the opportunity to be king, and he voluntarily stepped down after 2 terms thus setting the precedent.......until FDR broke it by wanting to be a king. Congress then had to limit the terms by legislation to try and reduce the corruption seen under FDR.

As a result, I still like Washington but detest FDR. Washington just wanted to be free as where FDR just wanted to be a god.

I even remember visiting the FDR monument in DC. I walked up and there was this terrible smell. I looked up and it was a bunch of bathrooms. I thought to myself, how fitting.

as always,you got the FDR apologists crying in defeat.

thats not the least bit surprising to hear that in washington all the monuments are dedicated to warmongers like FDR considering washington has nothing but criminals there that run the country. Let me Guess? Reagan is listed there as well as one of them they idolize? No surprise in the least since as you well know,they want to carve his face into mount rushmore. why not? might as well,after all,his fellow war mongers Ike and FDR got to have their own coins right? I say lets do it.

Nope, no monuments to Reagan.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Hard to recreate the hysteria of 1942 with a 2018 mindset

Ralph Carr did not live in 2018.

Good ole Ralph
One of the ONLY Americans to disagree
Most Americans cheered the idea

Doesn't matter if the Japanese Americans were a threat or not. That is not the deciding question. The real question is, is the Constitution the law of the land or not?

Clearly FDR and many other tyrannical presidents our nation has had to endure, do not believe the Constitution constrains their power to do whatever they want.

You obviously prefer tyranny of the executive (aka criminal scumbag), rather than a constitutional republic that limits the power of the central government. FDR should have been impeached and removed for this action and so many others the crook undertook.

you are making wayyyyyy too much sense for their warped minds to comprehend.careful too much logic,common sense and facts like this Gipper will overload their brains so much and fry them,they will be zombies incapable of talking if you keep posting so many of the documented criminal activities of FDR.

ever notice how the FDR worshiippers are as much brainwashed zombies as the reagannut worshippers are? sure would love to see them all in a room together and duke it out.Neither can understand as we do that both parties are corrupt and both controlled by the bankers. Trump being the exception him being a RINO nothing like the round table group against americans that Romney,Mccain,and Bush are thank god.

Yes...partisanship makes many on the left and right dumb non-thinking statist drones.

We have a government that in short is a criminal enterprise, and it matters not what party is in the majority. Both parties in my view, are criminal gangs much like Mafia families. We need to come together and get rid of both parties and the criminality so rampant in our federal government.

you said this so well in words better than myself could ever have, that I cant add anything to this.

you have seen this before as well same as me on threads of reagan,how the reagannut zombies are every bit as closed minded and biased on him same as they all have demonstrated here on this thread on FDR.

 

[Camp]

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In fact, before Pearl Harbor the US broke the Japanese code, so why were they not ready again like they were for the battle of Midway? Oh yea, cuz FRD wanted Americans to support his war mongering efforts by having them respond to a "surprise" attack.

Japanese Naval code was not broken by American code breakers until late May 1942. What evidence do you have that the code was broken before Pearl Harbor? Please provide a link. Thank you.

Capt. Eric Nave, 94; Broke Japan's Code Before Pearl Harbor

Nave was an Australian and shared his data with the British in late 1939; You did not read your own link. Nave wrote a book in 1991 and claimed that he had shared his data with the British but the British withheld the data from FDR. There is no evidence of the British sharing this alleged evidence with the US.
Apart from Nave's own written admission that the US nor FDR ever received his data about the code, there is no evidence that the Australian's or British had pertinent intercepts that would have allowed them to warn the US.
Claim debunked. Next.

 

[regent]

Doesn’t seem anyone knew
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The scumbag fdr knew. The Navy told him, his own intel operatives told him, the FBI told him. Quit playing the apologist, racist democrat.

He may have received some conflicting opinions
The OVERWHELMING opinion was that the Japanese were dangerous and needed to be locked up
Very few Americans disagreed

The racist scumbag knew there was no threat, and knew what he was doing was wrong. His buddies got some real bargains on real estate though. You lower yourself to his level of immoral and un-American filth by playing the shameless apologist.

He held similar racist views as the majority of America in 1942. In many ways he was more open than the rest of society.
There were very few Americans who did not want the Japanese locked up. No, he did not “know” the Japanese were no threat. Nobody in 1942 “knew” they were no threat
The consensus was better safe than sorry

It won't be long until we discover the American people were forced to vote for FDR four times. The people must have hated FDR's guts for forcing them to do that. But then we discover the Historians were forced to vote FDR as America's greatest president, even after FDR bombed Pearl Harbor. Where, oh where, does it end? Of course if the Americans hadn't voted for FDR four times we now know they too would be put in the concentration camps along with the Japanese.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

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In fact, before Pearl Harbor the US broke the Japanese code, so why were they not ready again like they were for the battle of Midway? Oh yea, cuz FRD wanted Americans to support his war mongering efforts by having them respond to a "surprise" attack.

Japanese Naval code was not broken by American code breakers until late May 1942. What evidence do you have that the code was broken before Pearl Harbor? Please provide a link. Thank you.

This has been given to you by me and others over the years. Why do you always ignore the facts?

Go back and read my earliers posts on this thread,i told him the EXACT same thing about you that you just said about yourself. I did it to make it clear i was not tooting my OWN horn, giving credit to others such as you and Votto.

He obviously has alzhemiers diseace. a complete waste of time.

He has proven too many time to remember on this thread he has NO INTEREST in the truth. I told him stop being such a lazy ass and go into the conspiracy section and and browse through all the threads there from the past made by people like you who exposed his traiterous activitties and he will find MANY threads there that people like you made that documented it all.He just keeps repeating the same old bullshit though over and over again though that we have no evidence.

Unlike you,me and votto though,he wont do that because he wont do any research on it.same as the reagan zombies he only sees what he WANTS to see so on FDR and he wont take the time to follow my advise i gave him.


mary ann is the same,i posted a video that proves Obama carried out the same policys that Bush did and how same as Bush,was also a tratiter to americans,but she wont watch the video. .these trolls cant stand tow to toe in a debate and wont take the time to look at the evidence.

 

[rightwinger]

If you want an overreach of power by FDR....look at how he took over ALL industrial production in the US and told them what they could produce and what resources and workers they could have

Nothing short of total socialism

Yet, it is the reason we won the war

Indeed. Socialism is the key to building world conquering armies, so FDR adopted the same approach Hitler and Stalin did. He simply centralized power and poured half or more of his resources into the military.

Without socialism world wars would be impossible.

Thanks socialism

The problem is, since FDR created a centralized war machine the US has been at war across the globe ever since, even though they no longer take the time to declare war.

Now the US has troops in over 70 countries around the world, something Hitler could only fantasize about.

Imagine that....the right man for the right time

Imagine if we ran the war years like a democracy. Let the free market decide what war products would be produced and let the suppliers decide what needed to be done. Let critical war materials ...steel, aluminum, rubber, copper go to the highest bidder

FDR acted in a time of crisis and saved the

[

In fact, before Pearl Harbor the US broke the Japanese code, so why were they not ready again like they were for the battle of Midway? Oh yea, cuz FRD wanted Americans to support his war mongering efforts by having them respond to a "surprise" attack.

Japanese Naval code was not broken by American code breakers until late May 1942. What evidence do you have that the code was broken before Pearl Harbor? Please provide a link. Thank you.

Capt. Eric Nave, 94; Broke Japan's Code Before Pearl Harbor

Dan van derDat, a British military historian, wrote in The Guardian last week that Mr. Nave made "enormous inroads" into Japanese coded messages. In June 1939, shortly before World War II broke out in Europe, the Japanese Navy began using an important new code. Captain Nave was able to read it by the end of the year.


He drew on his experiences in his book, "Betrayal at Pearl Harbor: How Churchill Lured Roosevelt Into World War II," which was published in the United States by Summit Books. Its other co-author was James Rusbridger.

The authors contend that if Britain had shared its understanding of the Japanese Navy's codes with the United States all through 1941, the Japanese force that mounted the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 1941, might have been crushed by forewarned American defenders.

"The denial of this information was no accident," the book says, "but the deliberate policy of Churchill himself to achieve his aim of dragging America into the war."

And what did we learn by breaking the code?

Did we learn that Pearl Harbor would be attacked on Dec 7 at 0800 and that the Philippines and Singapore would be attacked 20 hours later?

No we received general information that Japan was prepared for war and an attack was imminent

1941 intelligence decemination was very segmented and was unable to quickly get out a warning

 

[LA RAM FAN]

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In fact, before Pearl Harbor the US broke the Japanese code, so why were they not ready again like they were for the battle of Midway? Oh yea, cuz FRD wanted Americans to support his war mongering efforts by having them respond to a "surprise" attack.

Japanese Naval code was not broken by American code breakers until late May 1942. What evidence do you have that the code was broken before Pearl Harbor? Please provide a link. Thank you.

Capt. Eric Nave, 94; Broke Japan's Code Before Pearl Harbor

Dan van derDat, a British military historian, wrote in The Guardian last week that Mr. Nave made "enormous inroads" into Japanese coded messages. In June 1939, shortly before World War II broke out in Europe, the Japanese Navy began using an important new code. Captain Nave was able to read it by the end of the year.


He drew on his experiences in his book, "Betrayal at Pearl Harbor: How Churchill Lured Roosevelt Into World War II," which was published in the United States by Summit Books. Its other co-author was James Rusbridger.

The authors contend that if Britain had shared its understanding of the Japanese Navy's codes with the United States all through 1941, the Japanese force that mounted the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 1941, might have been crushed by forewarned American defenders.

"The denial of this information was no accident," the book says, "but the deliberate policy of Churchill himself to achieve his aim of dragging America into the war."

trust me votto,,your wasting you're breath. He wont read the link.Me and Gipper have dealt with him before so many times in the past and when you back him up against the wall knowing he cant counter the evidence and facts,he just comes back with BS crap all the time saying- "Rusbridgers book has been debunked".blah blah blah blah blah.

 

[rightwinger]

The scumbag fdr knew. The Navy told him, his own intel operatives told him, the FBI told him. Quit playing the apologist, racist democrat.

He may have received some conflicting opinions
The OVERWHELMING opinion was that the Japanese were dangerous and needed to be locked up
Very few Americans disagreed

The racist scumbag knew there was no threat, and knew what he was doing was wrong. His buddies got some real bargains on real estate though. You lower yourself to his level of immoral and un-American filth by playing the shameless apologist.

He held similar racist views as the majority of America in 1942. In many ways he was more open than the rest of society.
There were very few Americans who did not want the Japanese locked up. No, he did not “know” the Japanese were no threat. Nobody in 1942 “knew” they were no threat
The consensus was better safe than sorry

It won't be long until we discover the American people were forced to vote for FDR four times. The people must have hated FDR's guts for forcing them to do that. But then we discover the Historians were forced to vote FDR as America's greatest president, even after FDR bombed Pearl Harbor. Where, oh where, does it end? Of course if the Americans hadn't voted for FDR four times we now know they too would be put in the concentration camps along with the Japanese.

No matter who was president.......the Japanese were going to the camps

 

[LA RAM FAN]

They blamed Churchill in the article but I doubt FDR did not know.

I can't see Churchill risking the US losing it's fleet when they desperately needed them to fight the Nazi war machine.

No, it is no coincidence that just enough vessels were moved out of Pearl Harbor before the attack. Churchill had nothing to do with that, it was all the commander in chief

could not have said it any better myself.said it so well i cant add anything to it.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

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In fact, before Pearl Harbor the US broke the Japanese code, so why were they not ready again like they were for the battle of Midway? Oh yea, cuz FRD wanted Americans to support his war mongering efforts by having them respond to a "surprise" attack.

Japanese Naval code was not broken by American code breakers until late May 1942. What evidence do you have that the code was broken before Pearl Harbor? Please provide a link. Thank you.

This has been given to you by me and others over the years. Why do you always ignore the facts?

No, it has not. You keep saying it does not make it true.

No, it has not. You keep saying it does not make it true.