Federal appeals court rules religious businesses can refuse same-sex weddings

[rightwinger]

This is a good ruling, not because there is anything wrong with same sex marriage, but because companies should not be forced to serve people or provide a service they do not wish to.

We finally agree on something: Their business, their rules.

"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"

We don’t serve negroes here

The Civil Rights Act was about giving equal rights, regardless of race or gender.

It wasn't about supporting sodomy and same-sex marriage.

I don’t recall any language that mentions taking it up the ass.

Exactly:

"SEC. 201. (a) All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal Equal access, enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as de-fined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."

Text of H.R. 7152 (88th): An Act to enforce the constitutional right to vote, to confer jurisdiction upon ... (Passed Congress version) - GovTrack.us

Where does it say that Sodomites are a special protected group?

Depending on the state you live in, it has been expanded to same sex couples

 

[dblack]

You can get caught up in semantics, I'm putting forth the segregated south that kept millions of people in poverty with fewer rights due to "the markets" will. Only the majority can afford to live in a libertarian style government.

That exactly backasswards. What kept millions of people in poverty in the South were Jim Crow laws. Laws. Government.

Again, for the third time. Show me an example of a libertarian country that works. I don't think it exists.

And for the third time I'll dismiss it. I realize this the recommended talking point to throw out there when libertarians are exposing the hypocrisy of the status quo, but let's take a look at it. This is the standard response from all reactionaries when they oppose change. If we'd listened to this kind of reasoning pretty much all progress would have been thwarted. So much for liberalism.

The United States of America was Libertarian until the 1930’s.

Sure, but this whole game of, ”show me an example of..." or "it's never going to happen” is just deflection. Statists turn to it every time it's shown how authoritarian their vision for society really is.

 

[Bush92]

Yale is ok. Harvard and Columbia are shit.

Are you sure?

Yale faculty skews liberal, survey shows

All faculty on almost all college campuses skews liberals. What’s your point? Yale has Skull and Bones and many of them worked for CIA during Cold War to defeat communism.

Just curious as to why you have an issue with Harvard and not Yale.

Harvard student scorns casual communism of classmates
Just posted. Bonesmen helped OSS and CIA defeat communism.

Campus Reform is a group of disgruntled idiots on the right.

Capitalist companies routinely hire Capitalists from Harvard and other schools. I already showed you two of them from Walmart and American Express, two companies that represent nothing short of pure Capitalism.

Good kids. Love America unlike socialist like you. The Duke John Wayne went into the center of that liberal shit hole in 1974.

 

[Bush92]

You can get caught up in semantics, I'm putting forth the segregated south that kept millions of people in poverty with fewer rights due to "the markets" will. Only the majority can afford to live in a libertarian style government.

That exactly backasswards. What kept millions of people in poverty in the South were Jim Crow laws. Laws. Government.

Again, for the third time. Show me an example of a libertarian country that works. I don't think it exists.

And for the third time I'll dismiss it. I realize this the recommended talking point to throw out there when libertarians are exposing the hypocrisy of the status quo, but let's take a look at it. This is the standard response from all reactionaries when they oppose change. If we'd listened to this kind of reasoning pretty much all progress would have been thwarted. So much for liberalism.

The United States of America was Libertarian until the 1930’s.

Sure, but this whole game of, ”show me an example of..." or "it's never going to happen” is just deflection. Statists turn to it every time it's shown how authoritarian their vision for society really is.

Small business owners who invest their own money have a right to serve or refuse to serve whoever they want.

 

[bodecea]

Remember you Lefties: Discrimination happens all the time that you don't give a fuck about. The Asian community is notorious for discriminating in both hiring and housing renting. And what about black businesses that hire blacks. Where are the Lefties on those topics? Nowhere.

That's the thing. They pretend this is about equal rights, that what they want is for businesses to treat everyone equally. But that's not what these laws mandate. They merely target a few types of discrimination that are currently unpopular with the government (and its lobbyists). Everything else is fair game.

the truly Religious should be not for the profit of lucre, but for the profit of our immortal souls.

Yeah! All those big box religious leaders making millions are with you on that.....

they are not the ones complaining in public accommodation.

Of course not...they are making millions off of suckers.

 

[dblack]

GOOD. Gay-marriage is contrary thought. It's a slap in the face of core values, nature and common sense. Some people find the idea absurd, and I'm one of them. I'm not even religious.

Marriage supports the very core of nature in humans. Homosexuality does not fit into the category, because it's a contradiction. Homosexuality is not equal to heterosexuality on any level, so why pretend it is?

While some arguments for gay marriage sound plausible, every one of them could be applied to marriage between close relatives.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/federal-appeals-court-rules-religious-122449223.html

This is a good ruling, not because there is anything wrong with same sex marriage, but because companies should not be forced to serve people or provide a service they do not wish to.

We finally agree on something: Their business, their rules.

"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"

We don’t serve negroes here

Why not?

 

[rightwinger]

You can get caught up in semantics, I'm putting forth the segregated south that kept millions of people in poverty with fewer rights due to "the markets" will. Only the majority can afford to live in a libertarian style government.

That exactly backasswards. What kept millions of people in poverty in the South were Jim Crow laws. Laws. Government.

Again, for the third time. Show me an example of a libertarian country that works. I don't think it exists.

And for the third time I'll dismiss it. I realize this the recommended talking point to throw out there when libertarians are exposing the hypocrisy of the status quo, but let's take a look at it. This is the standard response from all reactionaries when they oppose change. If we'd listened to this kind of reasoning pretty much all progress would have been thwarted. So much for liberalism.

The United States of America was Libertarian until the 1930’s.

Sure, but this whole game of, ”show me an example of..." or "it's never going to happen” is just deflection. Statists turn to it every time it's shown how authoritarian their vision for society really is.

Small business owners who invest their own money have aright tonserve or refuse to serve whoever they want.

They have a responsibility to follow existing laws

 

[Bush92]

Employers who do. Harvard has been a breeding ground for socialist. Business people know this. Only place for Harvard grads is in education so they can poison future generations with their Marxist bullshit ideology.

You are so full of shit, no employer is not hiring someone because they went to Harvard.

Am I? Why You Shouldn’t Hire Someone From Harvard

This article has nothing to do with politics. It deals only with STEM degrees. So where do you get the ranting about socialism and marxism being taught at Harvard? How do you know anything at all about Harvard and its curriculum?

Sure. It’s socialist.

Where does your information come from?

Read the professoriate bio’s and look at classes and student organizations.

 

[Bush92]

You can get caught up in semantics, I'm putting forth the segregated south that kept millions of people in poverty with fewer rights due to "the markets" will. Only the majority can afford to live in a libertarian style government.

That exactly backasswards. What kept millions of people in poverty in the South were Jim Crow laws. Laws. Government.

Again, for the third time. Show me an example of a libertarian country that works. I don't think it exists.

And for the third time I'll dismiss it. I realize this the recommended talking point to throw out there when libertarians are exposing the hypocrisy of the status quo, but let's take a look at it. This is the standard response from all reactionaries when they oppose change. If we'd listened to this kind of reasoning pretty much all progress would have been thwarted. So much for liberalism.

The United States of America was Libertarian until the 1930’s.

Sure, but this whole game of, ”show me an example of..." or "it's never going to happen” is just deflection. Statists turn to it every time it's shown how authoritarian their vision for society really is.

Small business owners who invest their own money have aright tonserve or refuse to serve whoever they want.

They have a responsibility to follow existing laws

John Locke said “unjust “ laws should be broken.

 

[JGalt]

You are so full of shit, no employer is not hiring someone because they went to Harvard.

Am I? Why You Shouldn’t Hire Someone From Harvard

This article has nothing to do with politics. It deals only with STEM degrees. So where do you get the ranting about socialism and marxism being taught at Harvard? How do you know anything at all about Harvard and its curriculum?

Sure. It’s socialist.

Where does your information come from?

Read the professoriate bio’s and look at classes and student organizations.

Geezus. This country is toast...

Student Organization List

 

[Coyote]

Christians don’t need to accommodate or capitulate.

Yes, they need to accommodate, as do Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Secularists and atheists. We are not a religiously governed nation.

 

[Coyote]

Am I? Why You Shouldn’t Hire Someone From Harvard

This article has nothing to do with politics. It deals only with STEM degrees. So where do you get the ranting about socialism and marxism being taught at Harvard? How do you know anything at all about Harvard and its curriculum?

Sure. It’s socialist.

Where does your information come from?

Read the professoriate bio’s and look at classes and student organizations.

Geezus. This country is toast...

Student Organization List

How?

• Alpha Omega
  
• Asian American Christian Fellowship (AACF)
  
• Asian Baptist Student Koinonia (ABSK)
  
• Baha'i Association
  
• Catholic Student Association (CSA)
  
• Christian Impact
  
• Christians for Israel
  
• Christians on Campus
  
• Community of Humanists, Atheists, and Agnostics
  
• Dharma
  
• Episcopal Students
  
• Faith and Action (HCFA)
  
• Friends of Chabad
  
• Interfaith Forum
  
• Islamic Society (HIS)
  
• Latter-day Saint Student Association (LDSSA)
  
• Meditation Club
  
• Orthodox Christian Fellowship
  
• SoulFood Christian Fellowship
  
• The Ichthus
  
• Undergraduate Fellowship (HUF)

 

[JGalt]

This article has nothing to do with politics. It deals only with STEM degrees. So where do you get the ranting about socialism and marxism being taught at Harvard? How do you know anything at all about Harvard and its curriculum?

Sure. It’s socialist.

Where does your information come from?

Read the professoriate bio’s and look at classes and student organizations.

Geezus. This country is toast...

Student Organization List

How?

• Alpha Omega
  
• Asian American Christian Fellowship (AACF)
  
• Asian Baptist Student Koinonia (ABSK)
  
• Baha'i Association
  
• Catholic Student Association (CSA)
  
• Christian Impact
  
• Christians for Israel
  
• Christians on Campus
  
• Community of Humanists, Atheists, and Agnostics
  
• Dharma
  
• Episcopal Students
  
• Faith and Action (HCFA)
  
• Friends of Chabad
  
• Interfaith Forum
  
• Islamic Society (HIS)
  
• Latter-day Saint Student Association (LDSSA)
  
• Meditation Club
  
• Orthodox Christian Fellowship
  
• SoulFood Christian Fellowship
  
• The Ichthus
  
• Undergraduate Fellowship (HUF)

Thank you. Now list the left-wing and anti-American student groups, then see which one there are more of.

 

[Lysistrata]

Sure. It’s socialist.

Where does your information come from?

Read the professoriate bio’s and look at classes and student organizations.

Geezus. This country is toast...

Student Organization List

How?

• Alpha Omega
  
• Asian American Christian Fellowship (AACF)
  
• Asian Baptist Student Koinonia (ABSK)
  
• Baha'i Association
  
• Catholic Student Association (CSA)
  
• Christian Impact
  
• Christians for Israel
  
• Christians on Campus
  
• Community of Humanists, Atheists, and Agnostics
  
• Dharma
  
• Episcopal Students
  
• Faith and Action (HCFA)
  
• Friends of Chabad
  
• Interfaith Forum
  
• Islamic Society (HIS)
  
• Latter-day Saint Student Association (LDSSA)
  
• Meditation Club
  
• Orthodox Christian Fellowship
  
• SoulFood Christian Fellowship
  
• The Ichthus
  
• Undergraduate Fellowship (HUF)

Thank you. Now list the left-wing and anti-American student groups, then see which one there are more of.

If you know of any "left-wing" organizations, or "anti-American student groups," why don't you list them?

 

[bodecea]

Touché.

Ok, let's get more specific. What other country's PA and civil rights laws do you approve of that isn't' a total mess?

Or, what time period in the United States do you think worked without these laws?

Can't say that I know too much about the PA and civil rights laws. What i do know is that none of them have our Constitution, which is very specific in its purpose, to limit the power of the government...not the freedom of the people

General welfare is pretty general and the courts have back them up. As I've said before, the ship has sailed.

However if you want to tell me when the United States had it right at some point in time I'd be interesting in hearing it.

I believe the US is a work in progress, always changing and growing. I do not look to the past for how things should be, I look to the future to how things could be.

In the meantime people need to find a place to work, conduct commerce, raise families and eat.

Which is happening at record pace right now, unemployment across the board is pretty darn low.

How many people are working two or more jobs because of stagnant wages?

 

[WEATHER53]

If I were an employer a degree from Harvard would eliminate them from potential employment.

You're not, so who cares?

Employers who do. Harvard has been a breeding ground for socialist. Business people know this. Only place for Harvard grads is in education so they can poison future generations with their Marxist bullshit ideology.

Harvard is a breeding ground of socialism?

You don't think Harvard turns out any Capitalists? OK, that's a new one, you fuckin' goof.

With your language you appear neither Happy nor Joy. Try getting honest and go for Bitter Emotionalist

Another snowflake whining about words? It is just a word dude, no different than any other word. Grow up for fucks sake

Profanity stems from having no ability to articulate a response and frustration from having been intellectually defeated.
You cuss a lot so you dumb and you bested a lot.

 

[rightwinger]

That exactly backasswards. What kept millions of people in poverty in the South were Jim Crow laws. Laws. Government.

And for the third time I'll dismiss it. I realize this the recommended talking point to throw out there when libertarians are exposing the hypocrisy of the status quo, but let's take a look at it. This is the standard response from all reactionaries when they oppose change. If we'd listened to this kind of reasoning pretty much all progress would have been thwarted. So much for liberalism.

The United States of America was Libertarian until the 1930’s.

Sure, but this whole game of, ”show me an example of..." or "it's never going to happen” is just deflection. Statists turn to it every time it's shown how authoritarian their vision for society really is.

Small business owners who invest their own money have aright tonserve or refuse to serve whoever they want.

They have a responsibility to follow existing laws

John Locke said “unjust “ laws should be broken.

That would s why we have prisons with Locke’s on them

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Profanity stems from having no ability to articulate a response and frustration from having been intellectually defeated.
You cuss a lot so you dumb and you bested a lot.

Profanity is a false construct, who gets to decide which words are profane and which are not? Used to be shit and damn were profane, now they are in every day use.

Only snowflakes whine about words hurting their poor little eyes and ears.

Grow up and grow some balls, are are balls profane also?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Can't say that I know too much about the PA and civil rights laws. What i do know is that none of them have our Constitution, which is very specific in its purpose, to limit the power of the government...not the freedom of the people

General welfare is pretty general and the courts have back them up. As I've said before, the ship has sailed.

However if you want to tell me when the United States had it right at some point in time I'd be interesting in hearing it.

I believe the US is a work in progress, always changing and growing. I do not look to the past for how things should be, I look to the future to how things could be.

In the meantime people need to find a place to work, conduct commerce, raise families and eat.

Which is happening at record pace right now, unemployment across the board is pretty darn low.

How many people are working two or more jobs because of stagnant wages?

Looks like about 5% of the work force, but we do not know why they have two jobs