First woman in the U.S. infantry, kicked out for sex, this is why you don't have women serve withmen

[2aguy]

What women can do when turned loose with firearms.

The deadly Soviet women snipers that terrorized Nazis

Again.... they were in an urban environment under an invasion....and snipers are very different from regular infantry soldiers.

 

[2aguy]

I know if I was in the military I'd be all for comfort girls.
But then it could be why Japan lost the war. I know my high school football coach always said "No banging your girlfriend the night before the game"

The French Foreign Legion brings their own women with them....

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I know if I was in the military I'd be all for comfort girls.
But then it could be why Japan lost the war. I know my high school football coach always said "No banging your girlfriend the night before the game"

The French Foreign Legion brings their own women with them....

If I ever want to disappear into anonymity I know what military force I'm joining!

 

[Dan Stubbs]

Yep...the first woman to make it through Marine Infantry training, has just been kicked out for having sex with a subordinate...unlike congress, this is actually taken seriously in the military..

One of the First Women in the Infantry Will Be Discharged From the Marines

She will get a General Discharge under Honorable conditions. Just can not be buried in a Mil Cemetery

 

[DigitalDrifter]

She was like a kid in a candy store.

 

[mudwhistle]

Looks like a certain amount of BS to me...When I was in, it wasn't any big deal if you were an NCO and your squeeze wasn't.....But fraternization between officers and the hoi polloy was different.

Well, in the Navy, if you were an E-6 or below, you could generally get away with dating someone who was of a lesser rank. Matter of fact, was stationed with a dude in Millington TN who was an E5, who started dating an E3, and eventually they got married. Nobody said much about that, because they were both enlisted.

However.......................Chiefs and Officers (the khaki crowd), were strictly forbidden from having anything to do with the enlisted when it came to intimate relationships.

Sucked too. I remember being stationed in Newport RI back in the early to mid 90's, and became a member of a dating group. If you saw someone's ad that interested you, you called and left a message in their mailbox, and if they were interested, they called you back and you talked, leading up to dating. Well, I saw an ad that looked promising, and I called. She answered back, and we spent about 2 hours talking on the phone because we had so much in common. I finally got around to asking her what she did for a living, and she said she was a JAG officer on the base, and she was a LT. Well, right there I knew it wasn't allowed when she said she was an officer. I explained to her that I couldn't date her because I was an enlisted person. She said she understood, and we ended it then. A couple of days later, she came by PSD just to see who I was, and man.................I was bummed out again, because she was very good looking.

Yeah. What a dumb fuck.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Anyone who thinks that women and men should not serve together in the U.S. military should be forbidden to turn around and argue that women are not entitled to equal rights because they do not serve in the military. Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

Or is the OP and his supporters just arguing for a sex-segregated military?

Wrong on all counts.....women should not be in the infantry...other MOS opportunities could be looked at, but combat arms are sketchy. Do you think we should have POW child day care? Remember, John McCain and other POWs were held for 5 years or longer.... a woman could easily have a child in a POW camp....what do you do with the child?

Fantasize much? What do you with the bimbos who claim both that women should not serve in the military and also claim that women are not entitled to equal rights in the U.S. because they do not serve. Confront them, please.

Moron.....the effectiveness of the military to fight in a war is completely different from the equal Rights of women as citizens.... you don't have 4' tall basketball players yet those people still have equal Rights......

But you completely sidestepped my comment. What do YOU SAY to the men who have claimed that women are not entitled to equal rights because they don't fight in the military. These guys exist in substantial numbers. What is your comeback to THEM? If one of these guys confronts you with this argument, what would YOU say?

BTW: go back to my post at #18. I greatly expanded it while you were writing your comment.

Be SPECIFIC and LINK us to all these men claiming women are not equal cause they don't serve in the military.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Anyone who thinks that women and men should not serve together in the U.S. military should be forbidden to turn around and argue that women are not entitled to equal rights because they do not serve in the military. Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

Or is the OP and his supporters just arguing for a sex-segregated military?

We grant women equal rights without them serving In combat in the military. It has always been that way.

 

[Lysistrata]

Anyone who thinks that women and men should not serve together in the U.S. military should be forbidden to turn around and argue that women are not entitled to equal rights because they do not serve in the military. Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

Or is the OP and his supporters just arguing for a sex-segregated military?

Wrong on all counts.....women should not be in the infantry...other MOS opportunities could be looked at, but combat arms are sketchy. Do you think we should have POW child day care? Remember, John McCain and other POWs were held for 5 years or longer.... a woman could easily have a child in a POW camp....what do you do with the child?

Fantasize much? What do you with the bimbos who claim both that women should not serve in the military and also claim that women are not entitled to equal rights in the U.S. because they do not serve. Confront them, please.

Moron.....the effectiveness of the military to fight in a war is completely different from the equal Rights of women as citizens.... you don't have 4' tall basketball players yet those people still have equal Rights......

But you completely sidestepped my comment. What do YOU SAY to the men who have claimed that women are not entitled to equal rights because they don't fight in the military. These guys exist in substantial numbers. What is your comeback to THEM? If one of these guys confronts you with this argument, what would YOU say?

and his supporters just arguing for a sex-segregated military?

Wrong on all counts.....women should not be in the infantry...other MOS opportunities could be looked at, but combat arms are sketchy. Do you think we should have POW child day care? Remember, John McCain and other POWs were held for 5 years or longer.... a woman could easily have a child in a POW camp....what do you do with the child?

Fantasize much? What do you with the bimbos who claim both that women should not serve in the military and also claim that women are not entitled to equal rights in the U.S. because they do not serve. Confront them, please.[/QUOTE]


Moron.....the effectiveness of the military to fight in a war is completely different from the equal Rights of women as citizens.... you don't have 4' tall basketball players yet those people still have equal Rights......[/QUOTE]
But you completely sidestepped my comment. What do YOU SAY to the men who have claimed that women are not entitled to equal rights because they don't fight in the military. These guys exist in substantial numbers. What is your comeback to THEM? If one of these guys confronts you with this argument, what would YOU say?

Be SPECIFIC and LINK us to all these men claiming women are not equal cause they don't serve in the military.

Oh, come on. This has been a common whine of the bitch-boys for decades. "Women don't deserve equal rights because they don't fight." But, of course, "we don't want them fighting next to us." Settle it between yourselves, please.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Wrong on all counts.....women should not be in the infantry...other MOS opportunities could be looked at, but combat arms are sketchy. Do you think we should have POW child day care? Remember, John McCain and other POWs were held for 5 years or longer.... a woman could easily have a child in a POW camp....what do you do with the child?

Fantasize much? What do you with the bimbos who claim both that women should not serve in the military and also claim that women are not entitled to equal rights in the U.S. because they do not serve. Confront them, please.

Moron.....the effectiveness of the military to fight in a war is completely different from the equal Rights of women as citizens.... you don't have 4' tall basketball players yet those people still have equal Rights......

But you completely sidestepped my comment. What do YOU SAY to the men who have claimed that women are not entitled to equal rights because they don't fight in the military. These guys exist in substantial numbers. What is your comeback to THEM? If one of these guys confronts you with this argument, what would YOU say?

and his supporters just arguing for a sex-segregated military?

Wrong on all counts.....women should not be in the infantry...other MOS opportunities could be looked at, but combat arms are sketchy. Do you think we should have POW child day care? Remember, John McCain and other POWs were held for 5 years or longer.... a woman could easily have a child in a POW camp....what do you do with the child?

Fantasize much? What do you with the bimbos who claim both that women should not serve in the military and also claim that women are not entitled to equal rights in the U.S. because they do not serve. Confront them, please.

Moron.....the effectiveness of the military to fight in a war is completely different from the equal Rights of women as citizens.... you don't have 4' tall basketball players yet those people still have equal Rights......[/QUOTE]
But you completely sidestepped my comment. What do YOU SAY to the men who have claimed that women are not entitled to equal rights because they don't fight in the military. These guys exist in substantial numbers. What is your comeback to THEM? If one of these guys confronts you with this argument, what would YOU say?

Be SPECIFIC and LINK us to all these men claiming women are not equal cause they don't serve in the military.

Oh, come on. This has been a common whine of the bitch-boys for decades. "Women don't deserve equal rights because they don't fight." But, of course, "we don't want them fighting next to us." Settle it between yourselves, please.[/QUOTE]
No it has not I have NEVER heard it now either link to people claiming it or admit you made it up.

 

[Lysistrata]

Fantasize much? What do you with the bimbos who claim both that women should not serve in the military and also claim that women are not entitled to equal rights in the U.S. because they do not serve. Confront them, please.

Moron.....the effectiveness of the military to fight in a war is completely different from the equal Rights of women as citizens.... you don't have 4' tall basketball players yet those people still have equal Rights......

But you completely sidestepped my comment. What do YOU SAY to the men who have claimed that women are not entitled to equal rights because they don't fight in the military. These guys exist in substantial numbers. What is your comeback to THEM? If one of these guys confronts you with this argument, what would YOU say?

and his supporters just arguing for a sex-segregated military?

Wrong on all counts.....women should not be in the infantry...other MOS opportunities could be looked at, but combat arms are sketchy. Do you think we should have POW child day care? Remember, John McCain and other POWs were held for 5 years or longer.... a woman could easily have a child in a POW camp....what do you do with the child?

Fantasize much? What do you with the bimbos who claim both that women should not serve in the military and also claim that women are not entitled to equal rights in the U.S. because they do not serve. Confront them, please.

Moron.....the effectiveness of the military to fight in a war is completely different from the equal Rights of women as citizens.... you don't have 4' tall basketball players yet those people still have equal Rights......

But you completely sidestepped my comment. What do YOU SAY to the men who have claimed that women are not entitled to equal rights because they don't fight in the military. These guys exist in substantial numbers. What is your comeback to THEM? If one of these guys confronts you with this argument, what would YOU say?

Be SPECIFIC and LINK us to all these men claiming women are not equal cause they don't serve in the military.

Oh, come on. This has been a common whine of the bitch-boys for decades. "Women don't deserve equal rights because they don't fight." But, of course, "we don't want them fighting next to us." Settle it between yourselves, please.[/QUOTE]
No it has not I have NEVER heard it now either link to people claiming it or admit you made it up.[/QUOTE]

Nope. I've heard it in many instances since back in the days of the draft and Vietnam.

Just please settle this argument between your male selves and cease putting women in the middle of it. Just speak up. That's all.

 

[ABikerSailor]

I served alongside women since I first hit shore duty in '86. Then, when I went back to sea in '89, they were starting to allow women on combat vessels.

Retired in 2002, and never had a problem serving alongside women. Some of the best people I've ever worked with have been female.

 

[bodecea]

Yep...the first woman to make it through Marine Infantry training, has just been kicked out for having sex with a subordinate...unlike congress, this is actually taken seriously in the military..

One of the First Women in the Infantry Will Be Discharged From the Marines

The unconvenient truth is that women and the military don't mix

Why Military Women Are Missing from the #MeToo Moment

You tend to run into trouble when you mix war and sex, which is why neither women nor gays belong. Having these distractions is a choice.

But alas, we are all lab rats in some Progressive societal science experiment.

Lots of military women in the #MeToo movement.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Moron.....the effectiveness of the military to fight in a war is completely different from the equal Rights of women as citizens.... you don't have 4' tall basketball players yet those people still have equal Rights......

But you completely sidestepped my comment. What do YOU SAY to the men who have claimed that women are not entitled to equal rights because they don't fight in the military. These guys exist in substantial numbers. What is your comeback to THEM? If one of these guys confronts you with this argument, what would YOU say?

and his supporters just arguing for a sex-segregated military?

Wrong on all counts.....women should not be in the infantry...other MOS opportunities could be looked at, but combat arms are sketchy. Do you think we should have POW child day care? Remember, John McCain and other POWs were held for 5 years or longer.... a woman could easily have a child in a POW camp....what do you do with the child?

Fantasize much? What do you with the bimbos who claim both that women should not serve in the military and also claim that women are not entitled to equal rights in the U.S. because they do not serve. Confront them, please.

Moron.....the effectiveness of the military to fight in a war is completely different from the equal Rights of women as citizens.... you don't have 4' tall basketball players yet those people still have equal Rights......

But you completely sidestepped my comment. What do YOU SAY to the men who have claimed that women are not entitled to equal rights because they don't fight in the military. These guys exist in substantial numbers. What is your comeback to THEM? If one of these guys confronts you with this argument, what would YOU say?

Be SPECIFIC and LINK us to all these men claiming women are not equal cause they don't serve in the military.

Oh, come on. This has been a common whine of the bitch-boys for decades. "Women don't deserve equal rights because they don't fight." But, of course, "we don't want them fighting next to us." Settle it between yourselves, please.

No it has not I have NEVER heard it now either link to people claiming it or admit you made it up.[/QUOTE]

Nope. I've heard it in many instances since back in the days of the draft and Vietnam.

Just please settle this argument between your male selves and cease putting women in the middle of it. Just speak up. That's all.[/QUOTE]
So not a single link to back up your bullshit claim, figures, you guys on the left will say do anything to try and move your agenda, no lie to big or small for you lot.

 

[harmonica]

What women can do when turned loose with firearms.

The deadly Soviet women snipers that terrorized Nazis

people always bring this up
most women cannot physically do the same physical stuff as men--this is a physical fact
infantry have to haul a lot of stuff, far---etc ...
1. there are not many snipers compared to the other MOSs
2. snipers have to haul a lot of stuff, also...they just don't pull a trigger
these Soviets were not the standard infantry/not doing common infantry tasks

 

[harmonica]

we didn't call it infantry when I was in
we were called grunts/ground-pounders/

....I would never respect any woman in the USMC if they were my superior because their requirements were lower than males--real equal there---yes??hahahhahahahah

Has the Corps lowered various physical requirements for women in boot camp? I ask because initially, back when the male/female military stuff all started under Clinton, I was told at Camp Lejuene the Marines were the only service at the time that had not lowered anything to accommodate the ladies. Was also told by Army and Navy bigwigs they had set different standards for women, but no idea if the AF did also.

Also know the Navy was having lots of problems with combined male/female training at Great Lakes Training Center because their geniuses decided to house men and women in the same barracks, albeit on segregated floors. Apparently horny young recruits had no problems circumventing the locks or whatever between floors because pregnancies skyrocketed.

...when I was in -the early to late 80s, they didn't have to to as much physically/fitness tests/etc

 

[ABikerSailor]

In the Navy, I was a PRT Coordinator (fancy way of saying exercise trainer), and yes, the physical standards for pushups, situps, and the run were harder for men than they were for women.

If I remember correctly, I think the women had an extra minute to a minute and a half for the run portion, and their passing score for situps and pushups was about 10 fewer than what it was for men.

And, the body fat percentages for women were higher as well. Men had to stay at 22 percent or below, while women had to be at 25 percent or below, because women store fat differently than men and have more of it in the form of breast tissue and their butts.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

infantry--but what was her MOS??
...I've put out the stats/facts/etc before--the majority of women can't hang with the males
...not only do they have less muscle mass, their muscles are not as efficient as males
etc etc

..so then you have a very few who can ''hang'' with the males, then even fewer that want to join the military, then even fewer that want to be infantry
..it's not worth the $$$$/etc to have them there

They can make it through the 14 weeks of training, the problem comes with the actual depolyment and long term wear and tear on their bodies...

not many can
many more-- by percentage fall out --of OCS
I wonder what her MOS was?
what training do you mean? BootCamp?

She was a Marine Infantry officer.

 

[ABikerSailor]

infantry--but what was her MOS??
...I've put out the stats/facts/etc before--the majority of women can't hang with the males
...not only do they have less muscle mass, their muscles are not as efficient as males
etc etc

..so then you have a very few who can ''hang'' with the males, then even fewer that want to join the military, then even fewer that want to be infantry
..it's not worth the $$$$/etc to have them there

They can make it through the 14 weeks of training, the problem comes with the actual depolyment and long term wear and tear on their bodies...

not many can
many more-- by percentage fall out --of OCS
I wonder what her MOS was?
what training do you mean? BootCamp?

She was a Marine Infantry officer.

You didn't bother to read the OP's link, did you?

From the OP's link...............................

After pleading guilty to the fraternization charge, Corporal Cruz was reduced in rank from sergeant to corporal and restricted to the base. She may also leave the Marine Corps with an other-than-honorable discharge, meaning she could be stripped of almost all Veterans Affairs benefits and jeopardize future employment in the civilian sector.


Sergeants aren't officers, they are enlisted. She was a Sergeant that was reduced to Corporal (another enlisted rank).

 

[debbiedowner]

Looks like a certain amount of BS to me...When I was in, it wasn't any big deal if you were an NCO and your squeeze wasn't.....But fraternization between officers and the hoi polloy was different.

I was in 68-71 abd all enlisted could fraternize this is bs not to mention they married.