Five myths about Libertarianism

[Mac1958]

Republicans are hurting the party, by campaigning like libertarians and governing like socialists.....That's no fault of any libertarian.

Hmm. Well, that's an interesting thought.

There certainly has been a lot of cross-pollination between the two parties since the Democrat victories in 2008. But which one is it -- have some Libertarians moved into the GOP for better national exposure, or has the GOP had a few people who have pretended to be Libertarians?

It's a bad mix, for sure -- the two parties are NOT the same, although there are obviously some similiarities. And now that you mention it, this is the internal struggle that's damaging the party so much.

Republicans and Libertarians aren't like "hey, you got chocolate in my peanut butter". The two need to go their separate ways, stat.

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[rightwinger]

Libertarianisms fatal flaw is that it fails to recognize the importance of the social structure. Man has flourished because of his ability to form strong societies. Cultures with small, clan centered or tribe centered cultures failed, those able to form large, powerful societies were able to dominate. We are all stronger as part of a society than we are as individuals

Libertarians look at each person being only responsible for themselves. If others fail, that is none of their concern. They are willing to reap the benefits of a society, but claim all of those benefits as being the result of their own personal initiative

 

[midcan5]

Why is it libertarians constantly need to explain themselves? If libertarianism were a clearly established political or philosophic position, all this explaining would be unnecessary. The reason it is required is because libertarianism is a vague apology or justification for what economists call 'accumulated advantage.' When you think you are the center of the known universe you call yourself a libertarian. I wonder how many as they age and mature will consider themselves libertarian? Life can throw some mean curves.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/clean-debate-zone/299619-libertarianism-24.html#post7504773

"Vulgar libertarian apologists for capitalism use the term "free market" in an equivocal sense: they seem to have trouble remembering, from one moment to the next, whether they’re defending actually existing capitalism or free market principles."

Mutualist Blog: Free Market Anti-Capitalism: Vulgar Libertarianism Watch, Part 1

"The ideal "free market" society of such people, it seems, is simply actually existing capitalism, minus the regulatory and welfare state: a hyper-thyroidal version of nineteenth century robber baron capitalism, perhaps; or better yet, a society "reformed" by the likes of Pinochet, the Dionysius to whom Milton Friedman and the Chicago Boys played Aristotle." link above

and this too: Not Even a Bourgeois Freedom: Liberty of Contract in John Roberts?s America ? Crooked Timber

 

[editec]

I do not think that every libertariansis a member of the I GOT MINE, GET YOURS party.

Many of them here seem to be, of course, but this place is has more TROLLS than real players.

 

[Oddball]

Why is it libertarians constantly need to explain themselves? If libertarianism were a clearly established political or philosophic position, all this explaining would be unnecessary. The reason it is required is because libertarianism is a vague apology or justification for what economists call 'accumulated advantage.' When you think you are the center of the known universe you call yourself a libertarian. I wonder how many as they age and mature will consider themselves libertarian? Life can throw some mean curves.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/clean-debate-zone/299619-libertarianism-24.html#post7504773

"Vulgar libertarian apologists for capitalism use the term "free market" in an equivocal sense: they seem to have trouble remembering, from one moment to the next, whether they’re defending actually existing capitalism or free market principles."

Mutualist Blog: Free Market Anti-Capitalism: Vulgar Libertarianism Watch, Part 1

"The ideal "free market" society of such people, it seems, is simply actually existing capitalism, minus the regulatory and welfare state: a hyper-thyroidal version of nineteenth century robber baron capitalism, perhaps; or better yet, a society "reformed" by the likes of Pinochet, the Dionysius to whom Milton Friedman and the Chicago Boys played Aristotle." link above

and this too: Not Even a Bourgeois Freedom: Liberty of Contract in John Roberts?s America ? Crooked Timber

They have to explain themselves because of the smears, propaganda, and outright lies spread by arrogant statist character assassins like you.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Libertarians fail to realize that it's 2013 and everything is more complex than they can understand.

Libertarians fail to understand 'greed'.

Libertarians are the original hypocrites. Their 'god' Ayn who denounced social programs, but used social programs when it was in her best interest. (under an assumed name)

Ayn Rand? The one who despises libertarians and is known for her objectivist views?


Keep talking, it shows how ignorant yyou truly are regarding political philosophy.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

it's always the same fools that show up in these threads with the same false assertions, accusations, ignorance and most of all, relentless fucking stupidity.

Every. Single. Thread.

Next, Corky and Rabbi will show up and talk about pot smoking and anti-semites. You pukes are so predictable it isn't even much for entertainment anymore.

Face it. Those of you in here spouting off about what libertarians believe have not a fucking clue about libertarinaism, classical liberalism and probably not much about political philosophy at all beyond the droning of your favorite talking retard on the tellie.

 

[rightwinger]

it's always the same fools that show up in these threads with the same false assertions, accusations, ignorance and most of all, relentless fucking stupidity.

Every. Single. Thread.

Next, Corky and Rabbi will show up and talk about pot smoking and anti-semites. You pukes are so predictable it isn't even much for entertainment anymore.

Face it. Those of you in here spouting off about what libertarians believe have not a fucking clue about libertarinaism, classical liberalism and probably not much about political philosophy at all beyond the droning of your favorite talking retard on the tellie.

Libertarians are always great at defining what they are not but get very sketchy when asked to specifically define what they are. Each will give a different answer.

While they will proudly spout about how they are for "Liberty" and "Freedom" and small government, they sputter when asked to define how much government they want to keep and what happens when hated government programs are eliminated

 

[dblack]

Why is it libertarians constantly need to explain themselves?

Because liberty is the antithesis of the status quo. Because authoritarians, like you, see it accurately as a threat to their ambitions for government.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

A libertarian is nothing more than a Republican who just wants to smoke legal weed.

So maybe I should consider switching parties???

I thought we were just Democrats who don't want to pay taxes? My mistake. But maybe Republicans and Democrats are just libertarians who want to rob and murder people.

 

[rightwinger]

Why is it libertarians constantly need to explain themselves?

Because liberty is the antithesis of the status quo. Because authoritarians, like you, see it accurately as a threat to their ambitions for government.

Proves my point about Libertarians defining who they are

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

#2 and #3 are certainly myths....not so sure about #1, #4, and #5. Ron Paul is kind of a hippie, the "true" libertarians are for drug/abortion/religion rights (ie: the right to have, and the right not to have them), and libertarians are certainly hurting the Republican party by not voting republican.

So Ron Paul is a hippie, despite being deeply conservative in his personal life. True libertarians understand that there is no libertarian position on abortion, and that there are both pro-life and pro-choice libertarians.

I disagree. Liberts fall on the side of less government. So they prefer government not even weigh in on the issue at all. Same for drugs. We are adults, we can make adult choices.
Liberts are about free will....

Minarchist libertarians believe that one of the responsibilities of government is to outlaw murder. A pro-life libertarian obviously sees abortion as murder. Thus there is nothing anti-libertarian about being pro-life.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Libertarianisms fatal flaw is that it fails to recognize the importance of the social structure. Man has flourished because of his ability to form strong societies. Cultures with small, clan centered or tribe centered cultures failed, those able to form large, powerful societies were able to dominate. We are all stronger as part of a society than we are as individuals

Libertarians look at each person being only responsible for themselves. If others fail, that is none of their concern. They are willing to reap the benefits of a society, but claim all of those benefits as being the result of their own personal initiative

Libertarians are strong supporters of the free market and division of labor, which is necessarily social.

 

[Oddball]

Why is it libertarians constantly need to explain themselves?

Because liberty is the antithesis of the status quo. Because authoritarians, like you, see it accurately as a threat to their ambitions for government.

Proves my point about Libertarians defining who they are

Right-O!...They're people who seek to protect themselves from vicious, callow, hateful little looters like you.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Libertarians fail to realize that it's 2013 and everything is more complex than they can understand.

Libertarians fail to understand 'greed'.

Libertarians are the original hypocrites. Their 'god' Ayn who denounced social programs, but used social programs when it was in her best interest. (under an assumed name)

Ayn Rand? The one who despises libertarians and is known for her objectivist views?


Keep talking, it shows how ignorant yyou truly are regarding political philosophy.

They tell us what we "fail to understand," while they fail to understand the difference between objectivism and libertarianism.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

it's always the same fools that show up in these threads with the same false assertions, accusations, ignorance and most of all, relentless fucking stupidity.

Every. Single. Thread.

Next, Corky and Rabbi will show up and talk about pot smoking and anti-semites. You pukes are so predictable it isn't even much for entertainment anymore.

Face it. Those of you in here spouting off about what libertarians believe have not a fucking clue about libertarinaism, classical liberalism and probably not much about political philosophy at all beyond the droning of your favorite talking retard on the tellie.

Libertarians are always great at defining what they are not but get very sketchy when asked to specifically define what they are. Each will give a different answer.

While they will proudly spout about how they are for "Liberty" and "Freedom" and small government, they sputter when asked to define how much government they want to keep and what happens when hated government programs are eliminated

And all liberals and all conservatives will define themselves exactly the same way?

 

[rightwinger]

Because liberty is the antithesis of the status quo. Because authoritarians, like you, see it accurately as a threat to their ambitions for government.

Proves my point about Libertarians defining who they are

Right-O!...They're people who seek to protect themselves from vicious, callow, hateful little looters like you.

Libertarians love to claim they have a solitary claim of supporting Liberty

Almost as arrogant as usurping the Gadsen Flag

 

[TakeAStepBack]

it's always the same fools that show up in these threads with the same false assertions, accusations, ignorance and most of all, relentless fucking stupidity.

Every. Single. Thread.

Next, Corky and Rabbi will show up and talk about pot smoking and anti-semites. You pukes are so predictable it isn't even much for entertainment anymore.

Face it. Those of you in here spouting off about what libertarians believe have not a fucking clue about libertarinaism, classical liberalism and probably not much about political philosophy at all beyond the droning of your favorite talking retard on the tellie.

Libertarians are always great at defining what they are not but get very sketchy when asked to specifically define what they are. Each will give a different answer.

While they will proudly spout about how they are for "Liberty" and "Freedom" and small government, they sputter when asked to define how much government they want to keep and what happens when hated government programs are eliminated

I've already played this mihndless game with you. I've defined WHAT libertariansim is about on its basic premises several times. Your inability to grasp the concepts doesn't mean it wasn't done. It means you lack the mental fortitude to understand.

No one can help that but you. Read some books. Do whatever you can to try and figure it out. But do us a favor and stop repeating your false assertions about what is, and what is not libertarianism. It only leaves us with one conclusion. That conclusion doesn't lend you any favors.

 

[Oddball]

Proves my point about Libertarians defining who they are

Right-O!...They're people who seek to protect themselves from vicious, callow, hateful little looters like you.

Libertarians love to claim they have a solitary claim of supporting Liberty

I'd ask if you were really that stupid if I didn't already know that you are.

 

[rightwinger]

Right-O!...They're people who seek to protect themselves from vicious, callow, hateful little looters like you.

Libertarians love to claim they have a solitary claim of supporting Liberty

I'd ask if you were really that stupid if I didn't already know that you are.

I know you are....but what am I?