Flashback 2016: Democrats Pressured Trump Electors to Flip to Hillary

[RhodyPatriot]

Yes you are. Reality is clashing with your homoerotic fantasies about Trump

Yeah he's pretty hot.

I'd do him all day long, so true.

 

[Arlette]

Yeah he's pretty hot.

I'd do him all day long, so true.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Hillary must be indicted.
She told the Crazy Democrat Cult to "resist".
She refused to accept the outcome of the election.
All of her campaign staff must also be indicted for helping her.
When will Fani Willis do her job and indict Hillary and all of her staff?

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Quick Take​

After the 2016 presidential election, some progressive Democrats tried to convince electors for Donald Trump to switch their Electoral College votes to Hillary Clinton. But a conservative commentator misleadingly claimed in a social media post that the Democrats were “calling for alternate electors” — as Trump did after losing the 2020 election.

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In 2016, Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by 2.9 million votes, but lost the Electoral College to Donald Trump. Prior to the Electoral College vote, which Trump was expected to win 306-232, some progressive Democrats proposed getting Republican electors to switch their votes to Clinton or another Republican on the grounds Trump was unfit for office.

The effort ultimately failed, as expected, with Trump winning 304-227 after five Clinton electors and two Trump electors switched votes and took on the mantle of “faithless electors” — electors who cast a vote for someone other than their party’s nominee. The effort cost Clinton more electoral votes than it did Trump.

Now, the Democrats’ effort in 2016 has emerged as a justification for the Republican effort in 2020 to replace full slates of duly chosen electors pledged to Joe Biden with so-called “alternate electors” loyal to Trump.

In a snapshot of a tweet shared on Instagram, Dinesh D’Souza, a conservative political commentator, equated the two efforts and said the 2016 bid probably inspired then-President Trump in 2020 to pursue the alternate electors’ route. The scheme has become a focus of the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol.

“I’m chuckling about the fake outrage over Trump seeking alternate electors for the 2020 election,” tweeted D’Souza. He then misleadingly claimed, “The Left and the Democrats were calling for alternate electors after the 2016 election. Trump most likely got the idea FROM THEM.”

D’Souza produced the film “2000 Mules” — which, as we’ve written, uses unreliable data to make unproven allegations of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election. D’Souza himself was convicted of election finance fraud in 2014 for making illegal contributions to a Senate campaign in the names of others.

As with anything involving the Electoral College, D’Souza’s claim requires some unpacking to reveal the apples-and-oranges character of his spurious claim.

Basic Differences in 2016 and 2020 Efforts​

First, the Democrats were not calling for “alternate electors” in 2016 but “faithless electors” who were duly chosen to represent their states in the Electoral College. Most of those who did switch their votes broke their own states’ laws by not voting for the candidate to whom they were pledged.

Those seeking to submit slates of alternative electors in 2020 wanted to remove duly chosen electors by fiat and reverse the outcome in battleground states won by Biden and certified by state election officials. No one has been charged in that effort yet, but Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco told CNN that federal prosecutors were looking into the fraudulent elector certifications.

Forty-eight states have winner-take-all laws giving all their electoral votes to the top vote-getter in their states. Maine and Nebraska award two votes to the popular vote winner and give the remainder to the top-place candidate in each congressional district.

Faithless electors have emerged in the past, and 33 states and the District of Columbia have laws requiring electors to vote for the winner of the popular vote in their domains.

In 2016, a small group of Democratic electors pledged to vote for another candidate in the hopes of swaying Republican electors to vote for anyone but Trump. They were known as Hamilton Electors after a Federalist Paper in which Alexander Hamilton argued that the Electoral College should be an “intermediate body” that’s less exposed to the people’s “heats and ferments.”

Congress certified Trump’s Electoral College victory on Jan. 6, 2017, with then-Vice President Joe Biden 11 times gaveling down objections by Democrats to electors from several states.

On July 6, 2020, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously upheld the constitutionality of the state laws requiring electors to vote for the winner of the presidential election in their separate states. It ruled that faithless electors in Washington and Colorado had acted illegally, and those states had the authority to penalize or remove them.

“The Constitution’s text and the Nation’s history both support allowing a State to enforce an elector’s pledge to support his party’s nominee — and the state voters’ choice — for President,” Justice Elena Kagan wrote for the court.

Four Democratic electors from Washington state who were part of the effort to encourage GOP electors to abandon their pledges were fined $1,000 each under their state’s law. The fifth Democrat cast his vote in Hawaii, where there is no penalty. The two GOP rogue electors came from Texas, which has no faithless elector law. (In Colorado, a Clinton elector cast his electoral vote for Republican John Kasich, but the state discarded his vote and replaced him with an elector who voted for Clinton.)

In 2020, Biden won the popular election by 7 million votes and stood to receive 306 of the 538 votes when the Electoral College met in December.

While the 2016 effort was aimed at influencing duly chosen electors, the 2020 push sought to create lists of electors who would vote for Trump in battleground states that he lost and where the Republicans falsely claimed there had been widespread election irregularities.

The House select committee has said “bogus slates of Electoral-College votes” were submitted in seven states — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin – in a ploy to overturn the results of the 2020 election.

“The so-called alternate electors from those states then transmitted the purported Electoral-College certificates to Congress, which multiple people advising former President Trump or his campaign used to justify delaying or blocking the certification of the election during the Joint Session of Congress on January 6th, 2021,” the committee said.

Attempt to Switch Slate ‘Resembled a Coup’​

“Both issues stem from the Electoral College system, but differ in fundamental ways,” John R. Vile, a constitutional scholar and political science dean at Middle Tennessee State University, said in an email to FactCheck.org.

“The issue in the 2020 election was whether state legislatures disappointed with the voting majorities in their states had the power to substitute a whole set of electors pledged to Biden with another set pledged to Trump on the basis of perceived electoral irregularities,” Vile said.

“Had there been genuine evidence that state voting totals were inaccurate, states may have had power to decide which slate of electors should be reported from their states,” said Vile, the author of “A Companion to the United States Constitution and Its Amendments.”

“But Trump challenges to election counts (which included baseless challenges by Sidney Powell, Rudolph Giuliani, and Mike Lindell of MyPillow) were consistently and firmly rejected as unfounded by courts that examined the issue, so the attempt to replace one set of electors with another would have resembled a coup rather than an attempt to remedy electoral irregularities,” Vile said.

Noting that the laws barring faithless electors seek to uphold the will of voters, Vile said, “… the attempt to substitute alternate elector lists was designed to thwart this will.”

During a June 21 hearing of the House select committee, Arizona House Speaker Russell Bowers, a Republican, testified that he was pressured by Trump aides to participate in a lawless scheme in his state to remove Biden electors and replace them with Trump electors.

“You are asking me to do something against my oath,” Bowers recalled telling Giuliani, “and I will not break my oath.”

Post Misleadingly Equates 2016 Democratic Effort to Trump's 2020 'Alternate Electors' - FactCheck.org

After the 2016 presidential election, some progressive Democrats tried to convince electors for Donald Trump to switch their Electoral College votes to Hillary Clinton. But a conservative commentator misleadingly claimed in a social media post that the Democrats were "calling for alternate...

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[RhodyPatriot]

Quick Take​

That wasn't "quick" so much as it was meandering bloviating senseless garbage.

I mean, at least you're consistent.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

If they televise his trial in Georgia that's gonna let a lot of hot air outa the orange balloon. His MAGAs gonna see him scared and befuddled.

Please please please televise the trial. It will be funnier than the Kavanaugh hearings.

 

[Arlette]

Please please please televise the trial. It will be funnier than the Kavanaugh hearings.

According to reports it will be shown. All you gonna see is him sitting there, looking scared

 

[RhodyPatriot]

According to reports it will be shown. All you gonna see is him sitting there, looking scared

"ACCORDING TO REPORTS!"

Fuckin' bot.

 

[candycorn]

“They aggressively targeted & harassed me with the goal of me committing to being 1 of the 37 ‘Faithless Electors’… […] My personal info was posted and I received tens of thousands of letters to my mailbox, emails, and calls/texts at all hours of the night for weeks.”

How exactly is that different from what they want to throw Trump in jail for?

You must have missed the blob telling elections officials to "find" him votes and the 1/6 insurrection.

Democrats have turned America into a Banana Republic.

Flashback 2016: Democrats Pressured Trump Electors to Flip to Hillary

"They aggressively targeted & harassed me with the goal of me committing to being 1 of the 37 'Faithless Electors'... [...] My personal info was posted and I received tens of thousands of letters to my mailbox, emails, and calls/texts at all hours of the night for weeks."

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Wow, could you imagine if that were true?

 

[candycorn]

According to reports it will be shown. All you gonna see is him sitting there, looking scared

Under no circumstances should they broadcast any of these trials.

 

[Arlette]

"ACCORDING TO REPORTS!"

Fuckin' bot.

Well, that's what they say - that it will be televised

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Well, that's what they say - that it will be televised

"They" also say I should be vaccinated and triple boosted.

I've been TOLD.

 

[Arlette]

Under no circumstances should they broadcast any of these trials.

I don't know how it works. I don't know if Trump could object to it or not

 

[RhodyPatriot]

You must have missed the blob

You must have missed losing your virginity.

 

[Arlette]

"They" also say I should be vaccinated and triple boosted.

I've been TOLD.

I guess it's up to the judge

 

[Sixties Fan]

“They aggressively targeted & harassed me with the goal of me committing to being 1 of the 37 ‘Faithless Electors’… […] My personal info was posted and I received tens of thousands of letters to my mailbox, emails, and calls/texts at all hours of the night for weeks.”

How exactly is that different from what they want to throw Trump in jail for? None.
Democrats have turned America into a Banana Republic.

Flashback 2016: Democrats Pressured Trump Electors to Flip to Hillary

"They aggressively targeted & harassed me with the goal of me committing to being 1 of the 37 'Faithless Electors'... [...] My personal info was posted and I received tens of thousands of letters to my mailbox, emails, and calls/texts at all hours of the night for weeks."

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[ Republicans who had been in Office, and many who worked for Republican Presidents, not voting or not endorsing Trump in 2016, or 2020, or 2024 ]

Former US presidents George H W Bush and George W Bush will not endorse Donald Trump's candidacy for president, aides have told local media.

This marks a first for the 91-year-old former president Bush, who had endorsed Republicans in the past five elections.

Republican politicians are struggling to define their support, or lack thereof, for Donald Trump.

Both Bush men had previously campaigned this year for former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, who exited the race in February.

They had each supported past Republican presidential nominees John McCain in 2008 and Mitt Romney in 2012.

Although neither former president has openly attacked Mr Trump or his policy proposals, George W Bush made a veiled criticism at a campaign event for his younger brother saying, "The strongest person usually isn't the loudest one in the room".

"I understand that Americans are angry and frustrated. But we do not need someone in the Oval Office who mirrors and inflames our anger and frustration," George W Bush told the South Carolina audience.

Former Republican presidents will not endorse Trump

Former US presidents George H W Bush and George W Bush will not endorse Donald Trump's candidacy for president, aides have told local media.

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More Than 160 Republican Leaders Don’t Support Donald Trump. Here’s When They Reached Their Breaking Point. (Published 2016)

Which statements caused Republicans to bail on Donald Trump.

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[RhodyPatriot]

I guess it's up to the judge

So there's no jury?

Woops.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I guess it's up to the judge

It is up to Supreme Court Judge Roberts, from what I have heard.

 

[Arlette]

So there's no jury?

Woops.

Up to the judge whether or not it's going to be televised. Pay some attention

 

[Sixties Fan]

Under no circumstances should they broadcast any of these trials.

Why not?
How else to stop the conspiracy theories and Trump's lies as to what happened and what was said?

Of course it will be worse than OJ's, which was a total circus.

But eyes and ears as it happens is the only cure, just as the 1/6 commission hearings were a cure to many people.

 

[candycorn]

I don't know how it works. I don't know if Trump could object to it or not

The judge is the sole authority on what goes on in their courtroom as far as such matters go. What is standard and customary usually carries the day. The more you treat this guy differently the more that we actually inch toward a better defined two-tier legal system. Don't get me wrong; we have one now. One for the rich and entitled and another one for those who are not.