Florida Republicans to gun hating doctors mind your own business

[JoeB131]

Seems to me that you have it a bit backwards. It's the unions that became so selfish.

The more a union worker makes, the more the unions make. In the beginning, unions did put the worker first. As they got bigger, it's the union that became the most important.

There is a difference between a living wage and a ridiculous wage. Let me give you some personal examples:

Your examples are retarded. Frankly, this just sounds like not bothering to negotiate good contracts that utilized people.

I find it amusing that you guys think it's horrible that someone makes five figures doing a questionable job, but you are totally cool with CEO's making seven and eight figures for mismanaging their companies.

Even the union bosses don't make six figures.

I've seen more than enough worthless people who are the payroll because they are pals with the manager or someone's relative. I just can't get worked up because a union contract doesn't keep up with the times.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Seems to me that you have it a bit backwards. It's the unions that became so selfish.

The more a union worker makes, the more the unions make. In the beginning, unions did put the worker first. As they got bigger, it's the union that became the most important.

There is a difference between a living wage and a ridiculous wage. Let me give you some personal examples:

Your examples are retarded. Frankly, this just sounds like not bothering to negotiate good contracts that utilized people.

I find it amusing that you guys think it's horrible that someone makes five figures doing a questionable job, but you are totally cool with CEO's making seven and eight figures for mismanaging their companies.

Even the union bosses don't make six figures.

I've seen more than enough worthless people who are the payroll because they are pals with the manager or someone's relative. I just can't get worked up because a union contract doesn't keep up with the times.

The point is that those are their companies not yours

Unions have become the refuge of the mediocre where incompetence is protected

 

[JoeB131]

The point is that those are their companies not yours

Unions have become the refuge of the mediocre where incompetence is protected

Really? Frankly, most of the "incompetence" I've seen in the 24 years I've been in the private sector has come from the Corner Offices. Big egos and delusional thinking.

Last company, the one I just quit, we had the GM and his cronies go out for two hour "liquid lunches" at Hooters every day. Meanwhile the rest of us were doing our jobs. What a bunch of chumps we were.

The happy day is coming when Americans finally realize Capitalism is a shit sandwich and stop eating it.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The point is that those are their companies not yours

Unions have become the refuge of the mediocre where incompetence is protected

Really? Frankly, most of the "incompetence" I've seen in the 24 years I've been in the private sector has come from the Corner Offices. Big egos and delusional thinking.

Last company, the one I just quit, we had the GM and his cronies go out for two hour "liquid lunches" at Hooters every day. Meanwhile the rest of us were doing our jobs. What a bunch of chumps we were.

The happy day is coming when Americans finally realize Capitalism is a shit sandwich and stop eating it.

You don't know anything about anyone in a corner office so don't say you do and so the fuck what anyway? It's not your company is it?

 

[JoeB131]

You don't know anything about anyone in a corner office so don't say you do and so the fuck what anyway? It's not your company is it?

I got to work with these people all the time. The worst week they had was the weeks after I quit and none of his cronies knew how to do even simple things.

The point is, if the Cronies can have special privilages, I'm cool with workers forming unions and getting some for the working folks.

I'm just not sure why you aren't. Frankly, I've often commented Conservatism is a form of Stockholm Syndrome. I doubt you are any richer than I am, but man, you are just all too happy to take their abuse and even excuse it like a battered wife with two black eyes at a shelter.

"Well, of course, they had to cut all our pay and lay half of us off!"

 

[Skull Pilot]

You don't know anything about anyone in a corner office so don't say you do and so the fuck what anyway? It's not your company is it?

I got to work with these people all the time. The worst week they had was the weeks after I quit and none of his cronies knew how to do even simple things.

The point is, if the Cronies can have special privilages, I'm cool with workers forming unions and getting some for the working folks.

I'm just not sure why you aren't. Frankly, I've often commented Conservatism is a form of Stockholm Syndrome. I doubt you are any richer than I am, but man, you are just all too happy to take their abuse and even excuse it like a battered wife with two black eyes at a shelter.

"Well, of course, they had to cut all our pay and lay half of us off!"

Yeah yeah we all know you trash talk the boss that shit canned you

I think you deserved to get your ass fired and you're still throwing a tantrum over it

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah yeah we all know you trash talk the boss that shit canned you

I think you deserved to get your ass fired and you're still throwing a tantrum over it

Hey, the guy who illegally fired me 8 years ago is now a vendor who is desperately trying to get me to buy stuff from him. (Mostly because the company we both worked for now stopped buying from him after he bought the company he now owns.) The worm turns, baby.

The ironic thing is, because I'm a fair and decent person, if he comes in with the best bid, he gets the business. Because that's the way it should be.

Now, that has nothing to do with the company I just walked away from last year. The one where they spent the last 7 years sending our jobs to Asia, and wondering why they were losing market share because the quality was so shitty. So they went from having 7 Buyers and 2 quality guys to having 2 buyers and six quality people because so much of the product was shitty.

Last month they announced they were eliminating the last of the manufacturing jobs at that site.

But you keep telling me how wonderful capitalism is and how we need more of that shit and we don't need to be like them Europeans with their socialism and gun control. Just keep clinging to your gun and your bible, Cleetus.

 

[Papageorgio]

"Florida Republicans to gun hating doctors mind your own business"

This is unsurprisingly moronic and wrong – there are no 'gun-hating' doctors, it completely misrepresents the issue.

Then clarify the issue for us?

 

[hadit]

Yes, unions were good for the working people.....too good. Paying top wages and benefits to people that did monkey jobs. That's why manufacturers left this country or replaced American workers with automation.

And guess what? The housing bubble was good for millions of people too, until it crashed. So was the tech bubble until it crashed. Unions were no different. It became a bubble of sucking dollars from the company until there were no dollars left.

All bubbles burst Joe. It's just a fact of life.

Gee, how come the bubble of CEOs getting paid obscene salaries never seems to burst.

Okay, let's take a look at the sheer stupidity of the statement. Those Union guys demanding a LIVING WAGE for doing "monkey work". Yeah, how totally unreasonable of them.

Me, when I'm travelling down the highway at 65 MPH in a machine made of glass and metal propelled by a flammable liquid, I really WANT The people who put that together to be happy with their jobs.

And while we are at it, it was totally unreasonable for the people of Cleveland to insist the factories clean up their fucking act when the Cuyahuga river caught on fire

When the rich were told they couldn't pollute the river anymore, they just moved their factories to some place where they don't have democracy and just let them pollute the rivers down there. Those unreasonable people, actually expecting clean air and clean water.

Seriously, this is why I stopped voting Republican. You guys are all manner of fucked up.

Fuck paying the people who do the work a living wage, I want to make money on my stock!

Fuck people who live in the city wanting to be able breathe the air and drink the water, I want to make a profit.

Fuck those little kids who got blown away by a crazy person who was able to buy a gun, I want to compensate for my fears!

Conservatism becomes, at the end of the day, an excuse for selfishness.

Seems to me that you have it a bit backwards. It's the unions that became so selfish.

The more a union worker makes, the more the unions make. In the beginning, unions did put the worker first. As they got bigger, it's the union that became the most important.

There is a difference between a living wage and a ridiculous wage. Let me give you some personal examples:

When I was a kid, Cleveland was a big steel town. I was in a band at the time and the other guitarist was older than I was. He worked at the steel mills and asked me one day if I wanted to take a ride with him to pickup his paycheck. I was on summer vacation and had nothing better to do. Besides, I wanted to see what the mills were like from the inside.

I knew he worked on the train, but really didn't know much more than that, so I struck up the conversation.

He told me that he was a fireman on the trains. Okay, so what does a fireman do I asked? He said the fireman shovels coal into the engine to make the train run. Confused, I asked "They don't have trains like that anymore, do they?" "No he replied, but the union says that every train must have a fireman on it."

So basically, the union forced the mills to put people on trains that didn't do anything but ride around on them. They made fantastic money at the same time. Another example:

I went to my friends house and he was in the front yard talking to his neighbor. When I approached them, he introduced me to his neighbor; they were in the middle of a conversation.

His neighbor was talking about how long he was away from home. He was a welder at the steel mills and spent the last three weeks there. I had to interject by asking why he spent three weeks away from home when the mills were only 15 minutes away?

As it turns out, he didn't have to be away one day. He and his wife were fighting, so he lived at the mills for three weeks because the welders had their own little room equip with a television set, a fridge, a stove, and cots.

He was "on call" as they say, but in reality, he used work to stay away from his wife, and at the same time, they paid him time and a half to live there. Yes, they called him to weld something once in a great while, but basically, they paid him outstanding money to just hang out and do nothing because each shift had their own welders to take care of the everyday work.

Laughingly he confessed, he thought his wife started fights with him because of the great money he made.

I could fill ten pages of the ridiculous union stories I have, but they are all pretty much the same.

Unions are the victims of their own success. Like with many movements, they started with a noble purpose, to improve the lives of workers, and they were wildly successful. Almost, if not everything they fought for has been encoded into law. Their problem is, even though the rest of the country has grown and moved on, they're still stuck in the 1950's, fighting battles that have long been over. That is why union membership is at all time lows and they are struggling to be relevant. If they do not adapt to the current work environment, they will fade away.

 

[hadit]

Seems to me that you have it a bit backwards. It's the unions that became so selfish.

The more a union worker makes, the more the unions make. In the beginning, unions did put the worker first. As they got bigger, it's the union that became the most important.

There is a difference between a living wage and a ridiculous wage. Let me give you some personal examples:

Your examples are retarded. Frankly, this just sounds like not bothering to negotiate good contracts that utilized people.

I find it amusing that you guys think it's horrible that someone makes five figures doing a questionable job, but you are totally cool with CEO's making seven and eight figures for mismanaging their companies.

Even the union bosses don't make six figures.

I've seen more than enough worthless people who are the payroll because they are pals with the manager or someone's relative. I just can't get worked up because a union contract doesn't keep up with the times.

A CEO who mismanages a company is not CEO for very long.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Yeah yeah we all know you trash talk the boss that shit canned you

I think you deserved to get your ass fired and you're still throwing a tantrum over it

Hey, the guy who illegally fired me 8 years ago is now a vendor who is desperately trying to get me to buy stuff from him. (Mostly because the company we both worked for now stopped buying from him after he bought the company he now owns.) The worm turns, baby.

The ironic thing is, because I'm a fair and decent person, if he comes in with the best bid, he gets the business. Because that's the way it should be.

Now, that has nothing to do with the company I just walked away from last year. The one where they spent the last 7 years sending our jobs to Asia, and wondering why they were losing market share because the quality was so shitty. So they went from having 7 Buyers and 2 quality guys to having 2 buyers and six quality people because so much of the product was shitty.

Last month they announced they were eliminating the last of the manufacturing jobs at that site.

But you keep telling me how wonderful capitalism is and how we need more of that shit and we don't need to be like them Europeans with their socialism and gun control. Just keep clinging to your gun and your bible, Cleetus.

Yes yes you are soooo powerful in your position as a petty functionary we know.

You could get fired again tomorrow or throw another tantrum and walk off your job and believe me you would not be missed

 

[Papageorgio]

Yeah yeah we all know you trash talk the boss that shit canned you

I think you deserved to get your ass fired and you're still throwing a tantrum over it

Hey, the guy who illegally fired me 8 years ago is now a vendor who is desperately trying to get me to buy stuff from him. (Mostly because the company we both worked for now stopped buying from him after he bought the company he now owns.) The worm turns, baby.

The ironic thing is, because I'm a fair and decent person, if he comes in with the best bid, he gets the business. Because that's the way it should be.

Now, that has nothing to do with the company I just walked away from last year. The one where they spent the last 7 years sending our jobs to Asia, and wondering why they were losing market share because the quality was so shitty. So they went from having 7 Buyers and 2 quality guys to having 2 buyers and six quality people because so much of the product was shitty.

Last month they announced they were eliminating the last of the manufacturing jobs at that site.

But you keep telling me how wonderful capitalism is and how we need more of that shit and we don't need to be like them Europeans with their socialism and gun control. Just keep clinging to your gun and your bible, Cleetus.

Yes yes you are soooo powerful in your position as a petty functionary we know.

You could get fired again tomorrow or throw another tantrum and walk off your job and believe me you would not be missed

Paper pushers have to find ways to feel important and for a guy that keeps losing his job all the time, it is very important. His last post was riddled with obvious lies.

 

[JoeB131]

Unions are the victims of their own success. Like with many movements, they started with a noble purpose, to improve the lives of workers, and they were wildly successful. Almost, if not everything they fought for has been encoded into law. Their problem is, even though the rest of the country has grown and moved on, they're still stuck in the 1950's, fighting battles that have long been over. That is why union membership is at all time lows and they are struggling to be relevant. If they do not adapt to the current work environment, they will fade away.

NO, guy, the reason why unions have declined is the same reason the working person has declined. Rich people are too fucking greedy. Period.

That and the REpublicans have convinced stupid people like you that you just get rid of that union protection, they'll see your real worth... yeah, right.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes yes you are soooo powerful in your position as a petty functionary we know.

You could get fired again tomorrow or throw another tantrum and walk off your job and believe me you would not be missed

Unlike you, I have a job. Given the amount of time you spend here, I doubt you do.

 

[JoeB131]

A CEO who mismanages a company is not CEO for very long.

Really? Really? Seems to me the guys who mismanage get their golden parachutes, so it's all good.

 

[hadit]

Unions are the victims of their own success. Like with many movements, they started with a noble purpose, to improve the lives of workers, and they were wildly successful. Almost, if not everything they fought for has been encoded into law. Their problem is, even though the rest of the country has grown and moved on, they're still stuck in the 1950's, fighting battles that have long been over. That is why union membership is at all time lows and they are struggling to be relevant. If they do not adapt to the current work environment, they will fade away.

NO, guy, the reason why unions have declined is the same reason the working person has declined. Rich people are too fucking greedy. Period.

That and the REpublicans have convinced stupid people like you that you just get rid of that union protection, they'll see your real worth... yeah, right.

You really have no clue, do you? I think I've figured out why you're so angry. You're stuck in the past and can't figure out how to catch up with the rest of the world.

 

[hadit]

A CEO who mismanages a company is not CEO for very long.

Really? Really? Seems to me the guys who mismanage get their golden parachutes, so it's all good.

That's because they negotiated them in the contract up front, but they still would make a lot more by staying in the position. It's amazing how much misinformation you spout.

 

[JoeB131]

Paper pushers have to find ways to feel important and for a guy that keeps losing his job all the time, it is very important. His last post was riddled with obvious lies.

YOu know, I must have done something really horrible to you to inflict the kind of butthurt where I occupy so much space in your head you follow me around from thread to thread.

I wish I could remember what it was... but you're just not that important.

Wait, I have a form for that. It's here with the papers on my desk...

 

[hadit]

Paper pushers have to find ways to feel important and for a guy that keeps losing his job all the time, it is very important. His last post was riddled with obvious lies.

YOu know, I must have done something really horrible to you to inflict the kind of butthurt where I occupy so much space in your head you follow me around from thread to thread.

I wish I could remember what it was... but you're just not that important.

Wait, I have a form for that. It's here with the papers on my desk...

Seriously, you need to stop being afraid to leave the basement. There are no feral guns waiting to shoot you down.

 

[JoeB131]

You really have no clue, do you? I think I've figured out why you're so angry. You're stuck in the past and can't figure out how to catch up with the rest of the world.

NO, guy, I've got EXACTLY a clue. Hey, I mentioned how the company I just left if now going to fire about 100 people because the greedy douchebags who own it are moving their jobs to Mexico.

None of these people are in a union.

Most of them aren't white, and very few of them are male.

So the idea that working folks don't need protection from the 1% is just as silly now as it was 50 years ago.