CDZ For what reason are kids having to learn about slavery ??

[beagle9]

I think you will find that schools will teach about the American slaves, but not the Roman slaves. They also won't teach about the Greek slaves. You know, the chaps that created democracy. For you see, the only way to make a democracy run half way efficiently was for the elites in Greece to have slaves to do their work for them, that way they had time to educate themselves on the issues of the day and stand around and debate them. Today, a democracy works by the slaves being told who to vote for by the press and education system and two party system while the elites just lie their arse off to them.

Similarly, schools may teach about genocide when it comes to the American Indian or Holocaust, but you will never hear a teacher say anything about the millions of Armenian Christians killed off by the Turkish government. Why? Well cuz that would not go over well with the current Turkish government. Also, they are Muslims.......so...............upsetting them is a big no, no. Besides, no one gives a damn about Christians. Just look at the inaction of the UN when it came to the genocide of Christians in the Sudan or in Syria. Not a finger was lifted to help them.

Meanwhile in Libya...........

Speaking of the Greeks and Romans....

The Greeks justified slavery on the grounds that they were morally superior.

The Romans believed that slavery was against the Natural Law but justified slavery on the grounds of state superiority.

America's Founding Fathers believed that slavery was against the Natural Law but knew not how to end it at the time of founding but did intend for it to perish.

The Democrats believed like the Greeks, that slavery was justified on the grounds that they were morally superior.

The Constitution was ratified in 1789. ARTICLE I, SECTION 9, CLAUSE 1 states, "The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person."

In 1808, Congress abolishing the slave trade at the earliest date allowed per ARTICLE I, SECTION 9, CLAUSE 1 of the Constitution. Thus proving that the intent of ARTICLE I, SECTION 9, CLAUSE 1 of the Constitution was to end the slave trade.

Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves - Wikipedia

"The Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves of 1807 (2 Stat. 426, enacted March 2, 1807) is a United States federal law that stated that no new slaves were permitted to be imported into the United States. It took effect in 1808, the earliest date permitted by the United States Constitution."

Daniel Webster testifies to the fact that the Founding Fathers intended for slavery to perish.

Daniel Webster

THE CONSTITUTION AND THE UNION 1

March 7, 1850

(In the Senate)

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/resources/pdf/Webster7th.pdf

Page 271

"And now, let us consider, sir, for a moment, what was the state of sentiment, North and South, in regard to slavery at the time this Constitution was adopted. A remarkable change has taken place since, but what did the wise and great men of all parts of the country then think of slavery? In what estimation did they hold it in 1787, when this Constitution was adopted? Now it will be found, sir, if we will carry ourselves by historical research back to that day, and ascertain men's opinions by authentic records still existing among us, that there was no great diversity of opinion between the North and the South upon the subject of slavery; and it will be found that both parts of the country held it equally an evil, a moral and political evil. It will not be found, that either at the North or at the South, there was though there was some, invective against slavery as inhuman and cruel. The great ground of objection to it was political; that it weakened the social fabric; that, taking the place of free labor, society was less strong, and labor was less productive; and, therefore, we find, from all the eminent men of the time, the clearest expression of their opinion that slavery was an evil. They ascribed its existence here, not without truth, and not without some acerbity of temper and force of language, to the injurious policy of the mother country, who, to favor the navigator, had entailed these evils upon the colonies. I need hardly refer, sir, to the publications of the day. They are matters of history on the record. The eminent men, the most eminent men, and nearly all the conspicuous politicians of the South, held the same sentiments, that slavery was an "evil," a "blight," a "blast," a "mildew," a "scourge," and a "curse." There are no terms of reprobation of slavery so vehement in the North at that day as in the South. The North was not so much excited against it as the South, and the reason is, I suppose, that there was much less at the North; and the people did not see, or think they saw, the evils so prominently as they were seen, or thought to be seen, at the South. Then, sir, when this Constitution was framed, this was the light in which the convention viewed it..."

Page 273

"...there was an expectation that on the ceasing of the importation of slaves from Africa, slavery would begin to run out. That was hoped and expected."

Alexander Stephens, the Vice President of the Confederate States, testifies to the fact that the Founding Fathers believed that slavery was against the Law of Nature, that it was evil, that it was not possible for them to end it at the time of the founding, but did intend for it to perish.

“Corner Stone” Speech

Alexander H. Stephens

Savannah, Georgia

March 21, 1861

“Corner Stone” Speech | Teaching American History

"The prevailing ideas entertained by him [Thomas Jefferson] and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature – that it was wrong in principle – socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent [temporary] and pass away. "


So while Stephens acknowledged that the Founding Fathers knew it was against God's will, had no idea how to end it quickly, and designed for slavery to pass away, Stephens then turned around and said that the Founding Fathers had it all wrong.

"Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. . . . and the idea of a government built upon it. . . . Our new government [the Confederate States of America] is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid – its cornerstone rests – upon the great truth that the Negro is not equal to the white man. That slavery – subordination to the superior [white] race – is his natural and moral condition. This – our new [Confederate] government – is the first in the history of the world based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

So there can be no better witness than Alexander Stephens.

The final proof that Stephens and Webster were correct that the founders intended for slavery to perish can be found in the Founding Fathers' actions following the ratification of the Constitution in 1789.

In 1789, following the ratification of the Constitution, Congress expanded its fight to end slavery by passing the Northwest Ordinance. That law - establishing how territories could become States in the new United States - forbade slavery in any federal territories then held; and for this reason, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Michigan, and Wisconsin all eventually came into the nation as free States.

Northwest Ordinance - Wikipedia

And don't forget that they abolished the slave trade in 1808, the earliest date permitted by the United States Constitution.

. Good reading, but is this something to be taught to third graders in long length and in detail, and if not then what are the watered down versions being taught to third graders now ??? What I'm seeing here is something that should be taught to maybe 8th graders on up, and in a very fair and balanced way that represents all sides of the story. The struggles of slaves, and the slave rescuers need to be taught in a equally balanced way, but undoubtedly by what we are seeing as a result of the public education, is that we are seeing that a very controlled and bias application of these events have stirred the pot with a huge spoon in order to foment hatred, and to create strife among the future generations.

It should be that these things are taught (in a way), that saves the dignity of the children learning these things, and it should not be placing a heavy burden upon their minds, bodies and souls.

I knew about slavery when I was in third grade
I also knew about the Civil Rights movement and saw people attacked by dogs and saw children mowed down with fire hoses

Children today are not Snowflakes

. Children today are being turned into snowflakes because of it all. It needs to end or be changed up. Did the teaching to you those things you wrote above, place a heavy burden upon you at to young an age, and cause you to hate because of it all ? If so then you were to young to be taught such things. Once get to a certain age, and the lessons are properly balanced, then the understanding without the misinformation, and hatred can be controlled better as a result of it all.

I was fully aware of what slavery was while I was in the third grade
Nobody "protected" my delicate feelings

I was able to watch Civil Rights protests on the TV news when I got home. I also saw coverage of the Vietnam war....it did not give me feelings of hate, but feelings of injustice

What is not "balanced" in what your granddaughter learned about slavery?
Do you want her to learn the slaveholders views?

. Is that what you liberals eternally fear, is that the kids might learn a better view than what you are trying to force feed them forever ?? It has to stop somewhere or it begins to punish the generations for crimes they didn't commit and would never commit. So what is it continuing for ? We all know by now what the reasoning behind it all is, and that's what you all are fearing the most. Without these divisive issues, then you can't club the white people over the heads with them anymore.

 

[beagle9]

My granddaughter who goes to school with Blacks, Asians, Mexicans, whites (her color), etc just said to me "PaPa we're learning about slavery"... My heart sank knowing what the poor child was being exposed to, and how she will next be basically looked at by her black classmates in a different way, and this after they being themselves exposed to the events surrounding this time period in which waxes hot amongst so many Americans to this very day.

Blacks are running around trying all they can to erase history (destroying statues), etc. Yet they want the white children to be exposed to a government version of events in which will cause generations after generations of naive children to be saddled with white Guilt.

Then we have the upcoming "black history month", where the same results can also take place in this program just as well. What's wrong with changing the month to "AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH" instead ?????? In American History Month the children would be able to pick out their favorite person in American history to write an essay on.

What's wrong, scared a black child might pick a white person to write about or think highly of ??? Jessie Jackson, and old Al Sharpton along with Maxine Waters would have a cow wouldn't they ?

When are we truly gonna get beyond this bullcrap ??

In school

We should have the slavery and separate water fountains of our ancestors shoved down our throats until we vomit their racist bullcrap as you say in hopes the 101st can do its job instead of dealing with white race riots.

We should have to watch Holocaust videos until we vomit.

We should have to dig mass graves for those who threatened Stalin's rule.

We should have to dunk animals until they confess to be witches or that the earth isn't the center of the universe or whatever religious perversions we think up.

We should have to memorize the name of every eradicated Indian nation.

A little bit of black history and understanding of how it looks from the other side would do our over privileged selves well.

. Bullcrap..

 

[Unkotare]

My granddaughter who goes to school with Blacks, Asians, Mexicans, whites (her color), etc just said to me "PaPa we're learning about slavery"... My heart sank knowing what the poor child was being exposed to, and how she will next be basically looked at by her black classmates in a different way, and this after they being themselves exposed to the events surrounding this time period in which waxes hot amongst so many Americans to this very day.

Blacks are running around trying all they can to erase history (destroying statues), etc. Yet they want the white children to be exposed to a government version of events in which will cause generations after generations of naive children to be saddled with white Guilt.

Then we have the upcoming "black history month", where the same results can also take place in this program just as well. What's wrong with changing the month to "AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH" instead ?????? In American History Month the children would be able to pick out their favorite person in American history to write an essay on.

What's wrong, scared a black child might pick a white person to write about or think highly of ??? Jessie Jackson, and old Al Sharpton along with Maxine Waters would have a cow wouldn't they ?

When are we truly gonna get beyond this bullcrap ??

I think you will find that schools will teach about the American slaves, but not the Roman slaves. They also won't teach about the Greek slaves. You know, the chaps that created democracy. For you see, the only way to make a democracy run half way efficiently was for the elites in Greece to have slaves to do their work for them, that way they had time to educate themselves on the issues of the day and stand around and debate them. Today, a democracy works by the slaves being told who to vote for by the press and education system and two party system while the elites just lie their arse off to them.

Similarly, schools may teach about genocide when it comes to the American Indian or Holocaust, but you will never hear a teacher say anything about the millions of Armenian Christians killed off by the Turkish government. Why? Well cuz that would not go over well with the current Turkish government. Also, they are Muslims.......so...............upsetting them is a big no, no. Besides, no one gives a damn about Christians. Just look at the inaction of the UN when it came to the genocide of Christians in the Sudan or in Syria. Not a finger was lifted to help them.

Meanwhile in Libya...........

Where did you get these strange notions about school?

 

[rightwinger]

Speaking of the Greeks and Romans....

The Greeks justified slavery on the grounds that they were morally superior.

The Romans believed that slavery was against the Natural Law but justified slavery on the grounds of state superiority.

America's Founding Fathers believed that slavery was against the Natural Law but knew not how to end it at the time of founding but did intend for it to perish.

The Democrats believed like the Greeks, that slavery was justified on the grounds that they were morally superior.

The Constitution was ratified in 1789. ARTICLE I, SECTION 9, CLAUSE 1 states, "The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person."

In 1808, Congress abolishing the slave trade at the earliest date allowed per ARTICLE I, SECTION 9, CLAUSE 1 of the Constitution. Thus proving that the intent of ARTICLE I, SECTION 9, CLAUSE 1 of the Constitution was to end the slave trade.

Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves - Wikipedia

"The Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves of 1807 (2 Stat. 426, enacted March 2, 1807) is a United States federal law that stated that no new slaves were permitted to be imported into the United States. It took effect in 1808, the earliest date permitted by the United States Constitution."

Daniel Webster testifies to the fact that the Founding Fathers intended for slavery to perish.

Daniel Webster

THE CONSTITUTION AND THE UNION 1

March 7, 1850

(In the Senate)

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/resources/pdf/Webster7th.pdf

Page 271

"And now, let us consider, sir, for a moment, what was the state of sentiment, North and South, in regard to slavery at the time this Constitution was adopted. A remarkable change has taken place since, but what did the wise and great men of all parts of the country then think of slavery? In what estimation did they hold it in 1787, when this Constitution was adopted? Now it will be found, sir, if we will carry ourselves by historical research back to that day, and ascertain men's opinions by authentic records still existing among us, that there was no great diversity of opinion between the North and the South upon the subject of slavery; and it will be found that both parts of the country held it equally an evil, a moral and political evil. It will not be found, that either at the North or at the South, there was though there was some, invective against slavery as inhuman and cruel. The great ground of objection to it was political; that it weakened the social fabric; that, taking the place of free labor, society was less strong, and labor was less productive; and, therefore, we find, from all the eminent men of the time, the clearest expression of their opinion that slavery was an evil. They ascribed its existence here, not without truth, and not without some acerbity of temper and force of language, to the injurious policy of the mother country, who, to favor the navigator, had entailed these evils upon the colonies. I need hardly refer, sir, to the publications of the day. They are matters of history on the record. The eminent men, the most eminent men, and nearly all the conspicuous politicians of the South, held the same sentiments, that slavery was an "evil," a "blight," a "blast," a "mildew," a "scourge," and a "curse." There are no terms of reprobation of slavery so vehement in the North at that day as in the South. The North was not so much excited against it as the South, and the reason is, I suppose, that there was much less at the North; and the people did not see, or think they saw, the evils so prominently as they were seen, or thought to be seen, at the South. Then, sir, when this Constitution was framed, this was the light in which the convention viewed it..."

Page 273

"...there was an expectation that on the ceasing of the importation of slaves from Africa, slavery would begin to run out. That was hoped and expected."

Alexander Stephens, the Vice President of the Confederate States, testifies to the fact that the Founding Fathers believed that slavery was against the Law of Nature, that it was evil, that it was not possible for them to end it at the time of the founding, but did intend for it to perish.

“Corner Stone” Speech

Alexander H. Stephens

Savannah, Georgia

March 21, 1861

“Corner Stone” Speech | Teaching American History

"The prevailing ideas entertained by him [Thomas Jefferson] and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature – that it was wrong in principle – socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent [temporary] and pass away. "


So while Stephens acknowledged that the Founding Fathers knew it was against God's will, had no idea how to end it quickly, and designed for slavery to pass away, Stephens then turned around and said that the Founding Fathers had it all wrong.

"Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. . . . and the idea of a government built upon it. . . . Our new government [the Confederate States of America] is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid – its cornerstone rests – upon the great truth that the Negro is not equal to the white man. That slavery – subordination to the superior [white] race – is his natural and moral condition. This – our new [Confederate] government – is the first in the history of the world based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

So there can be no better witness than Alexander Stephens.

The final proof that Stephens and Webster were correct that the founders intended for slavery to perish can be found in the Founding Fathers' actions following the ratification of the Constitution in 1789.

In 1789, following the ratification of the Constitution, Congress expanded its fight to end slavery by passing the Northwest Ordinance. That law - establishing how territories could become States in the new United States - forbade slavery in any federal territories then held; and for this reason, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Michigan, and Wisconsin all eventually came into the nation as free States.

Northwest Ordinance - Wikipedia

And don't forget that they abolished the slave trade in 1808, the earliest date permitted by the United States Constitution.

. Good reading, but is this something to be taught to third graders in long length and in detail, and if not then what are the watered down versions being taught to third graders now ??? What I'm seeing here is something that should be taught to maybe 8th graders on up, and in a very fair and balanced way that represents all sides of the story. The struggles of slaves, and the slave rescuers need to be taught in a equally balanced way, but undoubtedly by what we are seeing as a result of the public education, is that we are seeing that a very controlled and bias application of these events have stirred the pot with a huge spoon in order to foment hatred, and to create strife among the future generations.

It should be that these things are taught (in a way), that saves the dignity of the children learning these things, and it should not be placing a heavy burden upon their minds, bodies and souls.

I knew about slavery when I was in third grade
I also knew about the Civil Rights movement and saw people attacked by dogs and saw children mowed down with fire hoses

Children today are not Snowflakes

. Children today are being turned into snowflakes because of it all. It needs to end or be changed up. Did the teaching to you those things you wrote above, place a heavy burden upon you at to young an age, and cause you to hate because of it all ? If so then you were to young to be taught such things. Once get to a certain age, and the lessons are properly balanced, then the understanding without the misinformation, and hatred can be controlled better as a result of it all.

I was fully aware of what slavery was while I was in the third grade
Nobody "protected" my delicate feelings

I was able to watch Civil Rights protests on the TV news when I got home. I also saw coverage of the Vietnam war....it did not give me feelings of hate, but feelings of injustice

What is not "balanced" in what your granddaughter learned about slavery?
Do you want her to learn the slaveholders views?

. Is that what you liberals eternally fear, is that the kids might learn a better view than what you are trying to force feed them forever ?? It has to stop somewhere or it begins to punish the generations for crimes they didn't commit and would never commit. So what is it continuing for ? We all know by now what the reasoning behind it all is, and that's what you all are fearing the most. Without these divisive issues, then you can't club the white people over the heads with them anymore.

It is your thread...

You have yet to answer what "other view" about slavery you want your granddaughter to learn?

 

[rightwinger]

My granddaughter who goes to school with Blacks, Asians, Mexicans, whites (her color), etc just said to me "PaPa we're learning about slavery"... My heart sank knowing what the poor child was being exposed to, and how she will next be basically looked at by her black classmates in a different way, and this after they being themselves exposed to the events surrounding this time period in which waxes hot amongst so many Americans to this very day.

Blacks are running around trying all they can to erase history (destroying statues), etc. Yet they want the white children to be exposed to a government version of events in which will cause generations after generations of naive children to be saddled with white Guilt.

Then we have the upcoming "black history month", where the same results can also take place in this program just as well. What's wrong with changing the month to "AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH" instead ?????? In American History Month the children would be able to pick out their favorite person in American history to write an essay on.

What's wrong, scared a black child might pick a white person to write about or think highly of ??? Jessie Jackson, and old Al Sharpton along with Maxine Waters would have a cow wouldn't they ?

When are we truly gonna get beyond this bullcrap ??

In school

We should have the slavery and separate water fountains of our ancestors shoved down our throats until we vomit their racist bullcrap as you say in hopes the 101st can do its job instead of dealing with white race riots.

We should have to watch Holocaust videos until we vomit.

We should have to dig mass graves for those who threatened Stalin's rule.

We should have to dunk animals until they confess to be witches or that the earth isn't the center of the universe or whatever religious perversions we think up.

We should have to memorize the name of every eradicated Indian nation.

A little bit of black history and understanding of how it looks from the other side would do our over privileged selves well.

. Bullcrap..

Someone doesn't understand sarcasm

 

[sartre play]

We should teach children every thing we can, both sides of major issues, proven fact should not be rewritten to excuse poor behavior. personal views are not fact any where but in that individuals mind.

 

[jillian]

Speaking of the Greeks and Romans....

The Greeks justified slavery on the grounds that they were morally superior.

The Romans believed that slavery was against the Natural Law but justified slavery on the grounds of state superiority.

America's Founding Fathers believed that slavery was against the Natural Law but knew not how to end it at the time of founding but did intend for it to perish.

The Democrats believed like the Greeks, that slavery was justified on the grounds that they were morally superior.

The Constitution was ratified in 1789. ARTICLE I, SECTION 9, CLAUSE 1 states, "The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person."

In 1808, Congress abolishing the slave trade at the earliest date allowed per ARTICLE I, SECTION 9, CLAUSE 1 of the Constitution. Thus proving that the intent of ARTICLE I, SECTION 9, CLAUSE 1 of the Constitution was to end the slave trade.

Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves - Wikipedia

"The Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves of 1807 (2 Stat. 426, enacted March 2, 1807) is a United States federal law that stated that no new slaves were permitted to be imported into the United States. It took effect in 1808, the earliest date permitted by the United States Constitution."

Daniel Webster testifies to the fact that the Founding Fathers intended for slavery to perish.

Daniel Webster

THE CONSTITUTION AND THE UNION 1

March 7, 1850

(In the Senate)

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/resources/pdf/Webster7th.pdf

Page 271

"And now, let us consider, sir, for a moment, what was the state of sentiment, North and South, in regard to slavery at the time this Constitution was adopted. A remarkable change has taken place since, but what did the wise and great men of all parts of the country then think of slavery? In what estimation did they hold it in 1787, when this Constitution was adopted? Now it will be found, sir, if we will carry ourselves by historical research back to that day, and ascertain men's opinions by authentic records still existing among us, that there was no great diversity of opinion between the North and the South upon the subject of slavery; and it will be found that both parts of the country held it equally an evil, a moral and political evil. It will not be found, that either at the North or at the South, there was though there was some, invective against slavery as inhuman and cruel. The great ground of objection to it was political; that it weakened the social fabric; that, taking the place of free labor, society was less strong, and labor was less productive; and, therefore, we find, from all the eminent men of the time, the clearest expression of their opinion that slavery was an evil. They ascribed its existence here, not without truth, and not without some acerbity of temper and force of language, to the injurious policy of the mother country, who, to favor the navigator, had entailed these evils upon the colonies. I need hardly refer, sir, to the publications of the day. They are matters of history on the record. The eminent men, the most eminent men, and nearly all the conspicuous politicians of the South, held the same sentiments, that slavery was an "evil," a "blight," a "blast," a "mildew," a "scourge," and a "curse." There are no terms of reprobation of slavery so vehement in the North at that day as in the South. The North was not so much excited against it as the South, and the reason is, I suppose, that there was much less at the North; and the people did not see, or think they saw, the evils so prominently as they were seen, or thought to be seen, at the South. Then, sir, when this Constitution was framed, this was the light in which the convention viewed it..."

Page 273

"...there was an expectation that on the ceasing of the importation of slaves from Africa, slavery would begin to run out. That was hoped and expected."

Alexander Stephens, the Vice President of the Confederate States, testifies to the fact that the Founding Fathers believed that slavery was against the Law of Nature, that it was evil, that it was not possible for them to end it at the time of the founding, but did intend for it to perish.

“Corner Stone” Speech

Alexander H. Stephens

Savannah, Georgia

March 21, 1861

“Corner Stone” Speech | Teaching American History

"The prevailing ideas entertained by him [Thomas Jefferson] and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature – that it was wrong in principle – socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent [temporary] and pass away. "


So while Stephens acknowledged that the Founding Fathers knew it was against God's will, had no idea how to end it quickly, and designed for slavery to pass away, Stephens then turned around and said that the Founding Fathers had it all wrong.

"Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. . . . and the idea of a government built upon it. . . . Our new government [the Confederate States of America] is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid – its cornerstone rests – upon the great truth that the Negro is not equal to the white man. That slavery – subordination to the superior [white] race – is his natural and moral condition. This – our new [Confederate] government – is the first in the history of the world based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

So there can be no better witness than Alexander Stephens.

The final proof that Stephens and Webster were correct that the founders intended for slavery to perish can be found in the Founding Fathers' actions following the ratification of the Constitution in 1789.

In 1789, following the ratification of the Constitution, Congress expanded its fight to end slavery by passing the Northwest Ordinance. That law - establishing how territories could become States in the new United States - forbade slavery in any federal territories then held; and for this reason, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Michigan, and Wisconsin all eventually came into the nation as free States.

Northwest Ordinance - Wikipedia

And don't forget that they abolished the slave trade in 1808, the earliest date permitted by the United States Constitution.

. Good reading, but is this something to be taught to third graders in long length and in detail, and if not then what are the watered down versions being taught to third graders now ??? What I'm seeing here is something that should be taught to maybe 8th graders on up, and in a very fair and balanced way that represents all sides of the story. The struggles of slaves, and the slave rescuers need to be taught in a equally balanced way, but undoubtedly by what we are seeing as a result of the public education, is that we are seeing that a very controlled and bias application of these events have stirred the pot with a huge spoon in order to foment hatred, and to create strife among the future generations.

It should be that these things are taught (in a way), that saves the dignity of the children learning these things, and it should not be placing a heavy burden upon their minds, bodies and souls.

I knew about slavery when I was in third grade
I also knew about the Civil Rights movement and saw people attacked by dogs and saw children mowed down with fire hoses

Children today are not Snowflakes

. Children today are being turned into snowflakes because of it all. It needs to end or be changed up. Did the teaching to you those things you wrote above, place a heavy burden upon you at to young an age, and cause you to hate because of it all ? If so then you were to young to be taught such things. Once get to a certain age, and the lessons are properly balanced, then the understanding without the misinformation, and hatred can be controlled better as a result of it all.

I was fully aware of what slavery was while I was in the third grade
Nobody "protected" my delicate feelings

I was able to watch Civil Rights protests on the TV news when I got home. I also saw coverage of the Vietnam war....it did not give me feelings of hate, but feelings of injustice

What is not "balanced" in what your granddaughter learned about slavery?
Do you want her to learn the slaveholders views?

. Is that what you liberals eternally fear, is that the kids might learn a better view than what you are trying to force feed them forever ?? It has to stop somewhere or it begins to punish the generations for crimes they didn't commit and would never commit. So what is it continuing for ? We all know by now what the reasoning behind it all is, and that's what you all are fearing the most. Without these divisive issues, then you can't club the white people over the heads with them anymore.

what "better view" is there than truth?

you notice it isn't just liberals who are pointing out your fallacy, right?

 

[Syriusly]

My granddaughter who goes to school with Blacks, Asians, Mexicans, whites (her color), etc just said to me "PaPa we're learning about slavery"... My heart sank knowing what the poor child was being exposed to, and how she will next be basically looked at by her black classmates in a different way, and this after they being themselves exposed to the events surrounding this time period in which waxes hot amongst so many Americans to this very day.

Blacks are running around trying all they can to erase history (destroying statues), etc. Yet they want the white children to be exposed to a government version of events in which will cause generations after generations of naive children to be saddled with white Guilt.

Then we have the upcoming "black history month", where the same results can also take place in this program just as well. What's wrong with changing the month to "AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH" instead ?????? In American History Month the children would be able to pick out their favorite person in American history to write an essay on.

What's wrong, scared a black child might pick a white person to write about or think highly of ??? Jessie Jackson, and old Al Sharpton along with Maxine Waters would have a cow wouldn't they ?

When are we truly gonna get beyond this bullcrap ??

What is your problem with our kids learning about American history?

While I do not think any history course should teach kids that any race is 'bad', I think it is very important for children to learn not only the big historical issues of our nation, but also to understand our Constitution in light of those issues.

Any kid who doesn't know about slavery, but is supposed to be learning what the 13th and 14th Amendments are, is going to be short changed.

 

[Syriusly]

My granddaughter who goes to school with Blacks, Asians, Mexicans, whites (her color), etc just said to me "PaPa we're learning about slavery"... My heart sank knowing what the poor child was being exposed to, and how she will next be basically looked at by her black classmates in a different way, and this after they being themselves exposed to the events surrounding this time period in which waxes hot amongst so many Americans to this very day.

Blacks are running around trying all they can to erase history (destroying statues), etc. Yet they want the white children to be exposed to a government version of events in which will cause generations after generations of naive children to be saddled with white Guilt.

Then we have the upcoming "black history month", where the same results can also take place in this program just as well. What's wrong with changing the month to "AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH" instead ?????? In American History Month the children would be able to pick out their favorite person in American history to write an essay on.

What's wrong, scared a black child might pick a white person to write about or think highly of ??? Jessie Jackson, and old Al Sharpton along with Maxine Waters would have a cow wouldn't they ?

When are we truly gonna get beyond this bullcrap ??

Students need to learn the truth and facts about our Nation’s history

Indeed, they should learn about slavery so as not to repeat it, and learn also that the Democratic Party tried to secede from the United States in order to propagate it, in fact started a war over it, and continued to oppress blacks following their defeat by creating the Ku Klux Klan, poll taxes, lynchings, Jim Crow laws, and the like.

Later, they murdered civil rights leaders and absorbed the movement to their political use.

For a moment there I thought you were for teaching history- not Republican talking points and lies.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

My granddaughter who goes to school with Blacks, Asians, Mexicans, whites (her color), etc just said to me "PaPa we're learning about slavery"... My heart sank knowing what the poor child was being exposed to, and how she will next be basically looked at by her black classmates in a different way, and this after they being themselves exposed to the events surrounding this time period in which waxes hot amongst so many Americans to this very day.

Blacks are running around trying all they can to erase history (destroying statues), etc. Yet they want the white children to be exposed to a government version of events in which will cause generations after generations of naive children to be saddled with white Guilt.

Then we have the upcoming "black history month", where the same results can also take place in this program just as well. What's wrong with changing the month to "AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH" instead ?????? In American History Month the children would be able to pick out their favorite person in American history to write an essay on.

What's wrong, scared a black child might pick a white person to write about or think highly of ??? Jessie Jackson, and old Al Sharpton along with Maxine Waters would have a cow wouldn't they ?

When are we truly gonna get beyond this bullcrap ??

Students need to learn the truth and facts about our Nation’s history

Indeed, they should learn about slavery so as not to repeat it, and learn also that the Democratic Party tried to secede from the United States in order to propagate it, in fact started a war over it, and continued to oppress blacks following their defeat by creating the Ku Klux Klan, poll taxes, lynchings, Jim Crow laws, and the like.

Later, they murdered civil rights leaders and absorbed the movement to their political use.

For a moment there I thought you were for teaching history- not Republican talking points and lies.

I learned my history under Democrats, and lived through the rest. In a different time, of course, before the attempted revisions.

 

[yiostheoy]

My granddaughter who goes to school with Blacks, Asians, Mexicans, whites (her color), etc just said to me "PaPa we're learning about slavery"... My heart sank knowing what the poor child was being exposed to, and how she will next be basically looked at by her black classmates in a different way, and this after they being themselves exposed to the events surrounding this time period in which waxes hot amongst so many Americans to this very day.

Blacks are running around trying all they can to erase history (destroying statues), etc. Yet they want the white children to be exposed to a government version of events in which will cause generations after generations of naive children to be saddled with white Guilt.

Then we have the upcoming "black history month", where the same results can also take place in this program just as well. What's wrong with changing the month to "AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH" instead ?????? In American History Month the children would be able to pick out their favorite person in American history to write an essay on.

What's wrong, scared a black child might pick a white person to write about or think highly of ??? Jessie Jackson, and old Al Sharpton along with Maxine Waters would have a cow wouldn't they ?

When are we truly gonna get beyond this bullcrap ??

They should teach it's history. The real history.

Started by the British. Founding Fathers believed it was against the Law of Nature but knew not how to end it at the time of founding but did intend for it to perish and took actions towards that end. In the 1820's after most of the Founders were dead, the Democratic Party went against the wishes of the founders and expanded slavery and fought to keep it that way for the next 150 years.

fake history, dearie.... slavery was a regional issue, not a party issue.

that said, today's Republican Party seems to be all for it going by this thread.

slavery was a regional issue, not a party issue.

Mere quinkey dink Lincoln and his team were Republicans and the rebels were Democrats, eh?

And what about that southern dixie man as vice president that became president?

Which one?

There were a bunch of them.

LBJ comes to mind.

 

[yiostheoy]

My granddaughter who goes to school with Blacks, Asians, Mexicans, whites (her color), etc just said to me "PaPa we're learning about slavery"... My heart sank knowing what the poor child was being exposed to, and how she will next be basically looked at by her black classmates in a different way, and this after they being themselves exposed to the events surrounding this time period in which waxes hot amongst so many Americans to this very day.

Blacks are running around trying all they can to erase history (destroying statues), etc. Yet they want the white children to be exposed to a government version of events in which will cause generations after generations of naive children to be saddled with white Guilt.

Then we have the upcoming "black history month", where the same results can also take place in this program just as well. What's wrong with changing the month to "AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH" instead ?????? In American History Month the children would be able to pick out their favorite person in American history to write an essay on.

What's wrong, scared a black child might pick a white person to write about or think highly of ??? Jessie Jackson, and old Al Sharpton along with Maxine Waters would have a cow wouldn't they ?

When are we truly gonna get beyond this bullcrap ??

In school

We should have the slavery and separate water fountains of our ancestors shoved down our throats until we vomit their racist bullcrap as you say in hopes the 101st can do its job instead of dealing with white race riots.

We should have to watch Holocaust videos until we vomit.

We should have to dig mass graves for those who threatened Stalin's rule.

We should have to dunk animals until they confess to be witches or that the earth isn't the center of the universe or whatever religious perversions we think up.

We should have to memorize the name of every eradicated Indian nation.

A little bit of black history and understanding of how it looks from the other side would do our over privileged selves well.

Holocaust vid's would be going too far.

Slavery photos is ok with me though.

 

[yiostheoy]

I wonder how many people who say they hate slavery and are ashamed of how this country was back in the slavery days, would actually fight against slavery if it were still in existence today.... take up arms against plantation owners, harbor slaves in their homes, maybe join up with John Brown etc. All at great risk to themselves by the way. if slavery existed today? Maybe one in a thousand would fight against slavery or even talk against it. Most people accepted it back then since it had been around for thousands of years. So easy to take the high road and pretend compassion for enslaved africans and pass judgement about what people were doing back then.

The U.S. Civil War was not directly caused by slavery.

It was caused by the secession of the Southern States.

Slavery caused their secession.

However slavery was NOT what the fighting was all about.

You should have learned this in 8th Grade History class.

 

[jillian]

My granddaughter who goes to school with Blacks, Asians, Mexicans, whites (her color), etc just said to me "PaPa we're learning about slavery"... My heart sank knowing what the poor child was being exposed to, and how she will next be basically looked at by her black classmates in a different way, and this after they being themselves exposed to the events surrounding this time period in which waxes hot amongst so many Americans to this very day.

Blacks are running around trying all they can to erase history (destroying statues), etc. Yet they want the white children to be exposed to a government version of events in which will cause generations after generations of naive children to be saddled with white Guilt.

Then we have the upcoming "black history month", where the same results can also take place in this program just as well. What's wrong with changing the month to "AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH" instead ?????? In American History Month the children would be able to pick out their favorite person in American history to write an essay on.

What's wrong, scared a black child might pick a white person to write about or think highly of ??? Jessie Jackson, and old Al Sharpton along with Maxine Waters would have a cow wouldn't they ?

When are we truly gonna get beyond this bullcrap ??

In school

We should have the slavery and separate water fountains of our ancestors shoved down our throats until we vomit their racist bullcrap as you say in hopes the 101st can do its job instead of dealing with white race riots.

We should have to watch Holocaust videos until we vomit.

We should have to dig mass graves for those who threatened Stalin's rule.

We should have to dunk animals until they confess to be witches or that the earth isn't the center of the universe or whatever religious perversions we think up.

We should have to memorize the name of every eradicated Indian nation.

A little bit of black history and understanding of how it looks from the other side would do our over privileged selves well.

Holocaust vid's would be going too far.

Slavery photos is ok with me though.

Until what age are holocaust videos not ok? Are photos ok?

 

[Mac1958]

Our children absolutely need to know the full story of slavery, here and globally. All of it. Hold nothing back.

The problem is we never know when to draw the line, and are now shaming our young people (and others) over it.

We have completely lost the ability to maintain rationality, context and perspective in this country, and we do ridiculous, absurd, counter-productive things for mere political advantage and to assuage our self-imposed "guilt".
.

 

[yiostheoy]

One lesson about Negro slavery in America from the 1600's to 1865 is that when you have absolute freedom you can do atrocious things with it -- like slavery.

In modern times the equivalent would be monopoly power.

 

[Syriusly]

My granddaughter who goes to school with Blacks, Asians, Mexicans, whites (her color), etc just said to me "PaPa we're learning about slavery"... My heart sank knowing what the poor child was being exposed to, and how she will next be basically looked at by her black classmates in a different way, and this after they being themselves exposed to the events surrounding this time period in which waxes hot amongst so many Americans to this very day.

Blacks are running around trying all they can to erase history (destroying statues), etc. Yet they want the white children to be exposed to a government version of events in which will cause generations after generations of naive children to be saddled with white Guilt.

Then we have the upcoming "black history month", where the same results can also take place in this program just as well. What's wrong with changing the month to "AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH" instead ?????? In American History Month the children would be able to pick out their favorite person in American history to write an essay on.

What's wrong, scared a black child might pick a white person to write about or think highly of ??? Jessie Jackson, and old Al Sharpton along with Maxine Waters would have a cow wouldn't they ?

When are we truly gonna get beyond this bullcrap ??

Students need to learn the truth and facts about our Nation’s history

Indeed, they should learn about slavery so as not to repeat it, and learn also that the Democratic Party tried to secede from the United States in order to propagate it, in fact started a war over it, and continued to oppress blacks following their defeat by creating the Ku Klux Klan, poll taxes, lynchings, Jim Crow laws, and the like.

Later, they murdered civil rights leaders and absorbed the movement to their political use.

For a moment there I thought you were for teaching history- not Republican talking points and lies.

I learned my history under Democrats, and lived through the rest. In a different time, of course, before the attempted revisions.

Well clearly you didn't learn your history well, though I see you have taken to the Trump style of revisionist history well.

The Democratic Party never tried to 'secede' from the United States- fact.
The Democratic Party never started a war over slavery- fact.
The Democratic Party never started the KKK- fact.

Now- certainly the Confederacy consisted of many former Democrats- who were also white, male, Christian and Southern.

And who now objects to the symbols of the Confederacy being taken down?

The Southern Christian white males....who are now Republicans....but still supporting the idea of the Confederacy.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

My granddaughter who goes to school with Blacks, Asians, Mexicans, whites (her color), etc just said to me "PaPa we're learning about slavery"... My heart sank knowing what the poor child was being exposed to, and how she will next be basically looked at by her black classmates in a different way, and this after they being themselves exposed to the events surrounding this time period in which waxes hot amongst so many Americans to this very day.

Blacks are running around trying all they can to erase history (destroying statues), etc. Yet they want the white children to be exposed to a government version of events in which will cause generations after generations of naive children to be saddled with white Guilt.

Then we have the upcoming "black history month", where the same results can also take place in this program just as well. What's wrong with changing the month to "AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH" instead ?????? In American History Month the children would be able to pick out their favorite person in American history to write an essay on.

What's wrong, scared a black child might pick a white person to write about or think highly of ??? Jessie Jackson, and old Al Sharpton along with Maxine Waters would have a cow wouldn't they ?

When are we truly gonna get beyond this bullcrap ??

Students need to learn the truth and facts about our Nation’s history

Indeed, they should learn about slavery so as not to repeat it, and learn also that the Democratic Party tried to secede from the United States in order to propagate it, in fact started a war over it, and continued to oppress blacks following their defeat by creating the Ku Klux Klan, poll taxes, lynchings, Jim Crow laws, and the like.

Later, they murdered civil rights leaders and absorbed the movement to their political use.

For a moment there I thought you were for teaching history- not Republican talking points and lies.

I learned my history under Democrats, and lived through the rest. In a different time, of course, before the attempted revisions.

Well clearly you didn't learn your history well, though I see you have taken to the Trump style of revisionist history well.

The Democratic Party never tried to 'secede' from the United States- fact.
The Democratic Party never started a war over slavery- fact.
The Democratic Party never started the KKK- fact.

Now- certainly the Confederacy consisted of many former Democrats- who were also white, male, Christian and Southern.

And who now objects to the symbols of the Confederacy being taken down?

The Southern Christian white males....who are now Republicans....but still supporting the idea of the Confederacy.

 

[rightwinger]

I wonder how many people who say they hate slavery and are ashamed of how this country was back in the slavery days, would actually fight against slavery if it were still in existence today.... take up arms against plantation owners, harbor slaves in their homes, maybe join up with John Brown etc. All at great risk to themselves by the way. if slavery existed today? Maybe one in a thousand would fight against slavery or even talk against it. Most people accepted it back then since it had been around for thousands of years. So easy to take the high road and pretend compassion for enslaved africans and pass judgement about what people were doing back then.

The U.S. Civil War was not directly caused by slavery.

It was caused by the secession of the Southern States.

Slavery caused their secession.

However slavery was NOT what the fighting was all about.

You should have learned this in 8th Grade History class.

Slavery was the cause
Without the institution of slavery, the war would have never been necessary

 

[beagle9]

. Good reading, but is this something to be taught to third graders in long length and in detail, and if not then what are the watered down versions being taught to third graders now ??? What I'm seeing here is something that should be taught to maybe 8th graders on up, and in a very fair and balanced way that represents all sides of the story. The struggles of slaves, and the slave rescuers need to be taught in a equally balanced way, but undoubtedly by what we are seeing as a result of the public education, is that we are seeing that a very controlled and bias application of these events have stirred the pot with a huge spoon in order to foment hatred, and to create strife among the future generations.

It should be that these things are taught (in a way), that saves the dignity of the children learning these things, and it should not be placing a heavy burden upon their minds, bodies and souls.

I knew about slavery when I was in third grade
I also knew about the Civil Rights movement and saw people attacked by dogs and saw children mowed down with fire hoses

Children today are not Snowflakes

. Children today are being turned into snowflakes because of it all. It needs to end or be changed up. Did the teaching to you those things you wrote above, place a heavy burden upon you at to young an age, and cause you to hate because of it all ? If so then you were to young to be taught such things. Once get to a certain age, and the lessons are properly balanced, then the understanding without the misinformation, and hatred can be controlled better as a result of it all.

I was fully aware of what slavery was while I was in the third grade
Nobody "protected" my delicate feelings

I was able to watch Civil Rights protests on the TV news when I got home. I also saw coverage of the Vietnam war....it did not give me feelings of hate, but feelings of injustice

What is not "balanced" in what your granddaughter learned about slavery?
Do you want her to learn the slaveholders views?

. Is that what you liberals eternally fear, is that the kids might learn a better view than what you are trying to force feed them forever ?? It has to stop somewhere or it begins to punish the generations for crimes they didn't commit and would never commit. So what is it continuing for ? We all know by now what the reasoning behind it all is, and that's what you all are fearing the most. Without these divisive issues, then you can't club the white people over the heads with them anymore.

It is your thread...

You have yet to answer what "other view" about slavery you want your granddaughter to learn?

. She doesn't need to learn anything about it at age 8. Maybe 15, but not 8. The same goes for other subjects as well. The brainwashing has got to end.. Enough of the bullcrap already. If anyone can't see the damage it causes on future generations, then they need help badly.