Forced to deny my Christian faith to enter a Christian website? What?

[Parture]

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

Why are you casting stones? Jesus never did that to ANYONE!

Never cast any stones. You're confused.

 

[Michelle420]

Emily, I have just came into this thread, but I feel your pain. I too, almost signed up at Parture's little 'church' website. I stopped at the last question because I saw that he wants his 'church's 'elders' and 'apostles' to have dominion over our salvation. that is not scriptural IMHO.

Not only that, but the little boy Parture refuses to answer questions like an adult here. I noticed that his little sandbox playground site has about what, 100 members? But somehow he has been lording over these folks fro about 5 years now and has felt comfortable enough to come out of his child's sandbox there and try to be an adult here. He has failed.

Go home, boy Parture

So much hostility how could someone consider you a Christian? You are not saved by Apostles and Elders, so why sin bearing false witness? A website is not a Church either, so why say it is? Everything you say is so misrepresentative of reality. All of this is very immature, childish, and you're being evil sinning bearing false witness. It would be very difficult for a Christian to consider you a Christian for Christians are not hostile to one another. And now you are defending a universalist, but universalism is false. So how does that make you a Christian when you don't even once try to correct Emily that universalism is false. This too is how I know you are not a Christian, because unless you confess who He truly is to others He will deny you before the Father in heaven.

Jesus loved everyone. Christians don't only love Christians.

Regardless of how you personally see Emily, here you are judge and jury, so not at all like Jesus.

If you have an issue with her, you could pray about it and work through it instead of banning her.

She is not banned. The Bible says universalists are going to Hell yet you reject God's word again.

Don't blame me for your choice to reject God.

She is banned she can't post there.

She can post she just has to wait a week.

Way to be loving and forgiving, way to extend an olive branch and love your neighbor.

Again, Jesus didn't hang out with everyone who had sins already forgiven he looked for those who were in need of healing.

Christians who condemn and judge are casting the first stone, something Jesus admonished against.

I can't imagine what you would do to a beggar, a leper or a prostitute who isn't living the word, you might shun, ban or throw more stones.

WOW!

 

[Parture]

So much hostility how could someone consider you a Christian? You are not saved by Apostles and Elders, so why sin bearing false witness? A website is not a Church either, so why say it is? Everything you say is so misrepresentative of reality. All of this is very immature, childish, and you're being evil sinning bearing false witness. It would be very difficult for a Christian to consider you a Christian for Christians are not hostile to one another. And now you are defending a universalist, but universalism is false. So how does that make you a Christian when you don't even once try to correct Emily that universalism is false. This too is how I know you are not a Christian, because unless you confess who He truly is to others He will deny you before the Father in heaven.

Jesus loved everyone. Christians don't only love Christians.

Regardless of how you personally see Emily, here you are judge and jury, so not at all like Jesus.

If you have an issue with her, you could pray about it and work through it instead of banning her.

She is not banned. The Bible says universalists are going to Hell yet you reject God's word again.

Don't blame me for your choice to reject God.

She is banned she can't post there.

She can post she just has to wait a week.

Way to be loving and forgiving, way to extend an olive branch and love your neighbor.

Again, Jesus didn't hang out with everyone who had sins already forgiven he looked for those who were in need of healing.

Christians who condemn and judge are casting the first stone, something Jesus admonished against.

I can't imagine what you would do to a beggar, a leper or a prostitute who isn't living the word, you might shun, ban or throw more stones.

WOW!

If you were loving you would share the truth of the gospel to people which not only redeems them but saves them from Hell.

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

 

[Michelle420]

Emily has spent her life and entire adult career caring for the poor, working in social justice and dedicating herself to helping people from all walks of life offline.

She is an amazingly selfless person offline.

 

[Parture]

Emily has spent her life and entire adult career caring for the poor, working in social justice and dedicating herself to helping people from all walks of life offline.

She is an amazingly selfless person offline.

Salvation is not by works lest anyone should boast. That's what the Bible says. So Emily is going to Hell since she is a universalist. She is too selfish to give her life to the non-universalist Jesus.

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

 

[Michelle420]

Jesus loved everyone. Christians don't only love Christians.

Regardless of how you personally see Emily, here you are judge and jury, so not at all like Jesus.

If you have an issue with her, you could pray about it and work through it instead of banning her.

She is not banned. The Bible says universalists are going to Hell yet you reject God's word again.

Don't blame me for your choice to reject God.

She is banned she can't post there.

She can post she just has to wait a week.

Way to be loving and forgiving, way to extend an olive branch and love your neighbor.

Again, Jesus didn't hang out with everyone who had sins already forgiven he looked for those who were in need of healing.

Christians who condemn and judge are casting the first stone, something Jesus admonished against.

I can't imagine what you would do to a beggar, a leper or a prostitute who isn't living the word, you might shun, ban or throw more stones.

WOW!

If you were loving you would share the truth of the gospel to people which not only redeems them but saves them from Hell.

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

You should pray to stop Judging people, you are worshipping the idol of your own human ego.

 

[Michelle420]

Emily has spent her life and entire adult career caring for the poor, working in social justice and dedicating herself to helping people from all walks of life offline.

She is an amazingly selfless person offline.

Salvation is not by works lest anyone should boast. That's what the Bible says. So Emily is going to Hell since she is a universalist. She is too selfish to give her life to the non-universalist Jesus.

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

with fear and trembling work out your salvation

You sir, are not the authority on how God is operating in Emily's life or Teddy's, worry about your own salvation, let go of that self-righteousness it's making you act ugly.

 

[Michelle420]

She is banned she can't post there.

She can post she just has to wait a week.

Way to be loving and forgiving, way to extend an olive branch and love your neighbor.

Again, Jesus didn't hang out with everyone who had sins already forgiven he looked for those who were in need of healing.

Christians who condemn and judge are casting the first stone, something Jesus admonished against.

I can't imagine what you would do to a beggar, a leper or a prostitute who isn't living the word, you might shun, ban or throw more stones.

WOW!

If you were loving you would share the truth of the gospel to people which not only redeems them but saves them from Hell.

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

You should pray to stop Judging people, you are worshipping the idol of your own human ego.

You're just sinning bearing false witness. You and Emily are going to Hell since you don't know salvation is not by works, lest anyone should boast. You are a hypocrite because you say not to judge and you judge. Why is it ok for you to treat others as you would not like to be treated? Doublestandards are unethical.

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

If you have an issue with Teddy or Emily, you should be praying about it until the issue leaves you.

God didn't put people in your life for no reason at all, perhaps you are needing to learn something.

 

[Michelle420]

Emily has spent her life and entire adult career caring for the poor, working in social justice and dedicating herself to helping people from all walks of life offline.

She is an amazingly selfless person offline.

Salvation is not by works lest anyone should boast. That's what the Bible says. So Emily is going to Hell since she is a universalist. She is too selfish to give her life to the non-universalist Jesus.

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

with fear and trembling work out your salvation

You sir, are not the authority on how God is operating in Emily's life or Teddy's, worry about your own salvation, let go of that self-righteousness it's making you act ugly.

Working out salvation is after one is born-again. Initial salvation is not by works that is arrogant.

The Bible says universalists are not Christians. I care for people so I tell them the truth. But you don't. You love the lie.

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

And who are you to decide who is born again, only God can decide that.

 

[Parture]

She can post she just has to wait a week.

Way to be loving and forgiving, way to extend an olive branch and love your neighbor.

Again, Jesus didn't hang out with everyone who had sins already forgiven he looked for those who were in need of healing.

Christians who condemn and judge are casting the first stone, something Jesus admonished against.

I can't imagine what you would do to a beggar, a leper or a prostitute who isn't living the word, you might shun, ban or throw more stones.

WOW!

If you were loving you would share the truth of the gospel to people which not only redeems them but saves them from Hell.

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

You should pray to stop Judging people, you are worshipping the idol of your own human ego.

You're just sinning bearing false witness. You and Emily are going to Hell since you don't know salvation is not by works, lest anyone should boast. You are a hypocrite because you say not to judge and you judge. Why is it ok for you to treat others as you would not like to be treated? Doublestandards are unethical.

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

If you have an issue with Teddy or Emily, you should be praying about it until the issue leaves you.

God didn't put people in your life for no reason at all, perhaps you are needing to learn something.

I do pray for them and you that one day you give your life to Christ. God put me here to help you.

 

[teddyearp]

So much hostility how could someone consider you a Christian? You are not saved by Apostles and Elders, so why sin bearing false witness? A website is not a Church either, so why say it is? Everything you say is so misrepresentative of reality. All of this is very immature, childish, and you're being evil sinning bearing false witness. It would be very difficult for a Christian to consider you a Christian for Christians are not hostile to one another. And now you are defending a universalist, but universalism is false. So how does that make you a Christian when you don't even once try to correct Emily that universalism is false. This too is how I know you are not a Christian, because unless you confess who He truly is to others He will deny you before the Father in heaven.

Haha. You are a very funny little boy grasping at straws. I posed no hostility to you at all, the only reason you may feel hostility is the condemnation of the Holy Spirit through me calling you a tiny little immature child. I am not saved by your "Apostles" and "Elders", I am saved by the blood of the one and only Son of the Living God, Jesus Christ. The same Jesus Christ I asked you over and over again in your other thread about. If He was your personal Savior. All you did there was play little childish games and never answered my question as an adult. You're childish attempt to call me childish is well noted.

I confess that Jesus Christ is my Savior, do you?

 

[cnm]

She said a permanent ban. She lied.

Yes, yes, yes! That's what I call doubletongueing.

However, because I used terms incorrectly I got banned from that site

 

[Carla_Danger]

emily- I'm serious. I got him/her on ignore for a reason; posting false doctrine.

Dear USMB members:

Much to my dismay I found a wonderful website
that Parture referred, and was very hopeful this was
a good way to help establish consensus on God and eradicate errors.

However, because I used terms incorrectly I got banned from that site,
accused of not being Christian and doubletalk in answering the questions wrong.

So I had to go back and deny all my faith in the Bible
and change all the answers to "not sure" in order to make sure I didn't make a mistake again
in answering those questions.

What kind of website would punish people for answering as honestly
as possible even though I may have made a mistake in explaining my views?

What kind of website would accuse people of guilty until proven innocent?

This is really sad because there is a section there on sharing about the Trinity
which I believe is the key in uniting all people in understanding
and now I cannot even post there because I have been falsely accused
of not being a believer.

Parture if you are reading this, this SADDENS me and makes
me want to renounce my faith if this is how Christians treat each other.
If I am not free to share honestly how and why I believe the Holy Trinity
is Universal but am accused for teaching this, then I ask you to prove
me a false prophet, put me on public trial, and let me be put to death
if I am speaking falsely. I have had enough of this weird behavior.

I even was honest about mentioning what websites referred
me here, and got an infraction for naming those sites that included advertising.

That site is a wonderful site content wise and I am sorry that it excludes people
based on false accusation and suspicion.

If I made mistakes I thought the point of Christianity is to
forgive and correct mistakes instead of judge and condemn people
first and then ask questions later? What kind of rebuke calls for that?

The Christianity I know respects natural laws of due process
as given by God, so this is contradictory with God's natural laws of justice.

If you have any comments please share,
because I am shocked and appalled that fellow Christians
would issue judgment and punishment first, even accusing a
fellow Christian of things I didn't mean the way I was accused
and was honestly trying to answer honestly.

Very strange, but I should not be surprised anymore.

No wonder people cannot stand Christians.

I feel owe an apology to all my atheist friends who warned me
Christians make no sense and contradict themselves
as hateful, judgmental unforgiving and beyond reasonable explanation!

Please tell me this can be corrected.

Otherwise I find it very hard to believe
* that because I teach forgiveness in Christ on a universal scale,
this means I am going to hell as a nonbeliever
* that because I agree with the Bible
and answered yes to those questions
that I am banned, so I had to change all my answers
to "not sure" and deny my faith in order not to make
any more mistakes by putting yes or no. This site
is forcing me to be "unsure" and has penalized
me for saying I agree with the Bible?

Sorry but this makes me not want to be Christian
if I have to fix this mess in order to prove that I am.

Maybe it's not worth the trouble.
Sorry Parture but if this is what I have to do to "prove I am Christian"
I don't think forcing people to deny agreeing with the Bible in order not to make a mistake
and punishing forgiveness is very Christian at all.

Whatever joke this is, I think it is sad.

Maybe you should read this book by Pulitzer Prize author Chris Hedges, son of a Preacher and a man who holds a Master of Divinity from Harvard Divinity School.

THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT AND THE RISE OF AMERICAN FASCISM

Thanks but I think that website may be something else.

I found this on there about Heaven that mixes Hades that Jehovah's Witness reject as unbiblical
with Sheol that Jehovah's Witnesses teach instead. So I've never seen an explanation mix this together:

Three Heavens


Before time God decided His creation will have Three Heavens (2 Cor. 12.2)--a Paradise above (3rd Heaven), realm of fallen spirits if they fell (2nd Heaven), and our universe (1st Heaven). God also created timeless unawares called Hades or Sheol. Hades is not considered Heaven or Hell. The good side of Hades is called Paradise below or Abraham's bosom. Christians will be resurrected together (1 Thess. 4.15-17) from the good side of Hades to come before the Judgment-Seat to receive reward or loss of reward. The bad side of Hades is where the Rich Man went and the unsaved go when they die. They too will be resurrected but separated by 1000 years to the Great White Throne to be judged and cast into Hell.

-----------------

Where I think we got off on the wrong track,
the Bible scriptures cited mention the Devil the Beast and the False Prophet
thrown into the lake of fire. But those are not human souls. So we aren't even talking about the same thing
I don't think.

I don't think I can manage on that site without having each message
reviewed in advance by an admin and corrected by email before I post anything.

I would have to check with them each time and clarify we mean the same
thing before asking permission to post it so I don't cause an offense.

Otherwise the same thing will happen over and over by misinterpretations.

I also got an infraction message, for replying too generally and not responding directly.
So I probably cannot reply at all because that is how I normally talk and will keep getting infractions.

You should take the advice of Bfgrn and read that book.

Well the rightwing far right people I've talked with were never this duplicitous.

this guy really takes the cake.

I can deal with Klan, Jehovah's Witness, IDMR, prolife, one guy who wouldn't consider talking with me
until I did X Y Z, and he even admitted he knew my salvation was intact despite our disagreements.

I think this guy borders on the demons that attack priests
and get into their psyche and start messing with their minds.

they are more dangerous because they are divinely inspired
to push buttons on an unconscious level.

With the political types all their manipulations are out in the open.
They are at least PUBLIC with their hypocrisy so you can call them on it.

This guy is a unique challenge.
He actually has great gifts, like a spiritual genius,
but is completely wasting them by setting up tests and traps
to screen anyone out who can't rise above the faults.

Very interesting.

If he wants to expand his website and network globally
he is going to have to learn to work with people.

I could help him translate and interpret to connect with different groups
but I scared him to death with the idea of Universal inclusion he
may continue to reject me and try to make it my fault.

I don't think he's really ready or he would not sabotage
his own efforts and cut out people like me who would
be able to interpret, discern and help him.

Only demonic minded people try to attack and break
down people's faith for helping them on this level.

He is like a fallen angel, a misguided spirit
who does not know how to use his gifts
and doesn't know who to trust to help him with that.

I expect to fail his tests, so I gave up trying to pass.
I can try to reach out and offer help but not on his rules I can't
figure out and guess, I figured I would keep making mistakes
and so he would keep rejecting me so that game is a no win.

Next to him, Carla_Danger
all the rightwing extreme, prolife, anti-left,
raving oppressive closeminded ranters and railers
I have met seem like grown up children with louder megaphones.

This guy is too intelligent to play the simple games
and has created an elaborate maze to screen people out.

Sad for him, because with his visionary gifts he should
be drawing people in to share, not shutting people out.

This is unlike anything i have ever seen.

wish I could help but I don't think I am welcome there.

What do you mean, you can deal with the Klan? The KKK? That Klan?

Parture is very clear on his position. His God is an asshole. Does his posting (below) sound like a loving God to you?

From his posting...

"Emily will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever" (Rev. 12.10).

Emily will go away to everlasting punishment."

 

[Parture]

She said a permanent ban. She lied.

Yes, yes, yes! That's what I call doubletongueing.

However, because I used terms incorrectly I got banned from that site

Actually it is just plain lying. She is not permanently banned.

 

[Gracie]

This is why I like Christ, but not those who follow Him. Kinda like what Ghandi said.

I have been to other places that I was happy with...for awhile. Until I found out how weird the admin/mods are. Goose step, or be banned. Do as I say, not as I do. Don't post so much. You are not posting enough. Give links. Don't give links. Don't chat when posting. You are not chatting enough.

Oy.

So...I stick with USMB. emilynghiem , maybe what you seek can be found here at USMB in The Lounge area..since trolling is not allowed there and religion can get the trolls all excited. Why not start a thread and see who joins you in it? Look at that thread those newbs started "Obama try it again". From what I can tell, they post NO PLACE ELSE except that ONE THREAD. And it has over 20,000 replies. If they can do it, so can you.

 

[Parture]

emily- I'm serious. I got him/her on ignore for a reason; posting false doctrine.

Dear USMB members:

Much to my dismay I found a wonderful website
that Parture referred, and was very hopeful this was
a good way to help establish consensus on God and eradicate errors.

However, because I used terms incorrectly I got banned from that site,
accused of not being Christian and doubletalk in answering the questions wrong.

So I had to go back and deny all my faith in the Bible
and change all the answers to "not sure" in order to make sure I didn't make a mistake again
in answering those questions.

What kind of website would punish people for answering as honestly
as possible even though I may have made a mistake in explaining my views?

What kind of website would accuse people of guilty until proven innocent?

This is really sad because there is a section there on sharing about the Trinity
which I believe is the key in uniting all people in understanding
and now I cannot even post there because I have been falsely accused
of not being a believer.

Parture if you are reading this, this SADDENS me and makes
me want to renounce my faith if this is how Christians treat each other.
If I am not free to share honestly how and why I believe the Holy Trinity
is Universal but am accused for teaching this, then I ask you to prove
me a false prophet, put me on public trial, and let me be put to death
if I am speaking falsely. I have had enough of this weird behavior.

I even was honest about mentioning what websites referred
me here, and got an infraction for naming those sites that included advertising.

That site is a wonderful site content wise and I am sorry that it excludes people
based on false accusation and suspicion.

If I made mistakes I thought the point of Christianity is to
forgive and correct mistakes instead of judge and condemn people
first and then ask questions later? What kind of rebuke calls for that?

The Christianity I know respects natural laws of due process
as given by God, so this is contradictory with God's natural laws of justice.

If you have any comments please share,
because I am shocked and appalled that fellow Christians
would issue judgment and punishment first, even accusing a
fellow Christian of things I didn't mean the way I was accused
and was honestly trying to answer honestly.

Very strange, but I should not be surprised anymore.

No wonder people cannot stand Christians.

I feel owe an apology to all my atheist friends who warned me
Christians make no sense and contradict themselves
as hateful, judgmental unforgiving and beyond reasonable explanation!

Please tell me this can be corrected.

Otherwise I find it very hard to believe
* that because I teach forgiveness in Christ on a universal scale,
this means I am going to hell as a nonbeliever
* that because I agree with the Bible
and answered yes to those questions
that I am banned, so I had to change all my answers
to "not sure" and deny my faith in order not to make
any more mistakes by putting yes or no. This site
is forcing me to be "unsure" and has penalized
me for saying I agree with the Bible?

Sorry but this makes me not want to be Christian
if I have to fix this mess in order to prove that I am.

Maybe it's not worth the trouble.
Sorry Parture but if this is what I have to do to "prove I am Christian"
I don't think forcing people to deny agreeing with the Bible in order not to make a mistake
and punishing forgiveness is very Christian at all.

Whatever joke this is, I think it is sad.

Maybe you should read this book by Pulitzer Prize author Chris Hedges, son of a Preacher and a man who holds a Master of Divinity from Harvard Divinity School.

THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT AND THE RISE OF AMERICAN FASCISM

Thanks but I think that website may be something else.

I found this on there about Heaven that mixes Hades that Jehovah's Witness reject as unbiblical
with Sheol that Jehovah's Witnesses teach instead. So I've never seen an explanation mix this together:

Three Heavens


Before time God decided His creation will have Three Heavens (2 Cor. 12.2)--a Paradise above (3rd Heaven), realm of fallen spirits if they fell (2nd Heaven), and our universe (1st Heaven). God also created timeless unawares called Hades or Sheol. Hades is not considered Heaven or Hell. The good side of Hades is called Paradise below or Abraham's bosom. Christians will be resurrected together (1 Thess. 4.15-17) from the good side of Hades to come before the Judgment-Seat to receive reward or loss of reward. The bad side of Hades is where the Rich Man went and the unsaved go when they die. They too will be resurrected but separated by 1000 years to the Great White Throne to be judged and cast into Hell.

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Where I think we got off on the wrong track,
the Bible scriptures cited mention the Devil the Beast and the False Prophet
thrown into the lake of fire. But those are not human souls. So we aren't even talking about the same thing
I don't think.

I don't think I can manage on that site without having each message
reviewed in advance by an admin and corrected by email before I post anything.

I would have to check with them each time and clarify we mean the same
thing before asking permission to post it so I don't cause an offense.

Otherwise the same thing will happen over and over by misinterpretations.

I also got an infraction message, for replying too generally and not responding directly.
So I probably cannot reply at all because that is how I normally talk and will keep getting infractions.

You should take the advice of Bfgrn and read that book.

Well the rightwing far right people I've talked with were never this duplicitous.

this guy really takes the cake.

I can deal with Klan, Jehovah's Witness, IDMR, prolife, one guy who wouldn't consider talking with me
until I did X Y Z, and he even admitted he knew my salvation was intact despite our disagreements.

I think this guy borders on the demons that attack priests
and get into their psyche and start messing with their minds.

they are more dangerous because they are divinely inspired
to push buttons on an unconscious level.

With the political types all their manipulations are out in the open.
They are at least PUBLIC with their hypocrisy so you can call them on it.

This guy is a unique challenge.
He actually has great gifts, like a spiritual genius,
but is completely wasting them by setting up tests and traps
to screen anyone out who can't rise above the faults.

Very interesting.

If he wants to expand his website and network globally
he is going to have to learn to work with people.

I could help him translate and interpret to connect with different groups
but I scared him to death with the idea of Universal inclusion he
may continue to reject me and try to make it my fault.

I don't think he's really ready or he would not sabotage
his own efforts and cut out people like me who would
be able to interpret, discern and help him.

Only demonic minded people try to attack and break
down people's faith for helping them on this level.

He is like a fallen angel, a misguided spirit
who does not know how to use his gifts
and doesn't know who to trust to help him with that.

I expect to fail his tests, so I gave up trying to pass.
I can try to reach out and offer help but not on his rules I can't
figure out and guess, I figured I would keep making mistakes
and so he would keep rejecting me so that game is a no win.

Next to him, Carla_Danger
all the rightwing extreme, prolife, anti-left,
raving oppressive closeminded ranters and railers
I have met seem like grown up children with louder megaphones.

This guy is too intelligent to play the simple games
and has created an elaborate maze to screen people out.

Sad for him, because with his visionary gifts he should
be drawing people in to share, not shutting people out.

This is unlike anything i have ever seen.

wish I could help but I don't think I am welcome there.

What do you mean, you can deal with the Klan? The KKK? That Klan?

Parture is very clear on his position. His God is an asshole. Does his posting (below) sound like a loving God to you?

From his posting...

"Emily will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever" (Rev. 12.10).

Emily will go away to everlasting punishment."

God is loving. He is not going to let someone who rejects Him forever be with the saved in Heaven. That would be like letting a rapist out of jail to attack his victim again. You're not very loving to promote that.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Way to be loving and forgiving, way to extend an olive branch and love your neighbor.

Again, Jesus didn't hang out with everyone who had sins already forgiven he looked for those who were in need of healing.

Christians who condemn and judge are casting the first stone, something Jesus admonished against.

I can't imagine what you would do to a beggar, a leper or a prostitute who isn't living the word, you might shun, ban or throw more stones.

WOW!

If you were loving you would share the truth of the gospel to people which not only redeems them but saves them from Hell.

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

You should pray to stop Judging people, you are worshipping the idol of your own human ego.

You're just sinning bearing false witness. You and Emily are going to Hell since you don't know salvation is not by works, lest anyone should boast. You are a hypocrite because you say not to judge and you judge. Why is it ok for you to treat others as you would not like to be treated? Doublestandards are unethical.

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

If you have an issue with Teddy or Emily, you should be praying about it until the issue leaves you.

God didn't put people in your life for no reason at all, perhaps you are needing to learn something.

I do pray for them and you that one day you give your life to Christ. God put me here to help you.

Don't hurt yourself.

 

[Michelle420]

Way to be loving and forgiving, way to extend an olive branch and love your neighbor.

Again, Jesus didn't hang out with everyone who had sins already forgiven he looked for those who were in need of healing.

Christians who condemn and judge are casting the first stone, something Jesus admonished against.

I can't imagine what you would do to a beggar, a leper or a prostitute who isn't living the word, you might shun, ban or throw more stones.

WOW!

If you were loving you would share the truth of the gospel to people which not only redeems them but saves them from Hell.

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

You should pray to stop Judging people, you are worshipping the idol of your own human ego.

You're just sinning bearing false witness. You and Emily are going to Hell since you don't know salvation is not by works, lest anyone should boast. You are a hypocrite because you say not to judge and you judge. Why is it ok for you to treat others as you would not like to be treated? Doublestandards are unethical.

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

If you have an issue with Teddy or Emily, you should be praying about it until the issue leaves you.

God didn't put people in your life for no reason at all, perhaps you are needing to learn something.

I do pray for them and you that one day you give your life to Christ. God put me here to help you.

You don't know anything about me, but i always appreciate prayers, so thank you for that I hope you really are praying

 

[teddyearp]

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell.

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

Hehehe. I had nothing hostile to say to you, you are the one who had everything hostile to say to us here, boy. But keep it up because all you're doing here is:

 

[Parture]

If you were loving you would share the truth of the gospel to people which not only redeems them but saves them from Hell.

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

You should pray to stop Judging people, you are worshipping the idol of your own human ego.

You're just sinning bearing false witness. You and Emily are going to Hell since you don't know salvation is not by works, lest anyone should boast. You are a hypocrite because you say not to judge and you judge. Why is it ok for you to treat others as you would not like to be treated? Doublestandards are unethical.

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

If you have an issue with Teddy or Emily, you should be praying about it until the issue leaves you.

God didn't put people in your life for no reason at all, perhaps you are needing to learn something.

I do pray for them and you that one day you give your life to Christ. God put me here to help you.

You don't know anything about me, but i always appreciate prayers, so thank you for that I hope you really are praying

I know that you reject the gospel so you are going to Hell.