Fort Hood shooter may never be executed even if found guilty

[JoeB131]

People have talked about Political Correctness as a fault in this case. But there were two other factors at play here.

One was the refusal of the military to let ANYONE go, no matter how unfit for service they were. They wanted to discharge Bradley Manning in Basic Training. But they insisted on keeping him. How did that work out. Hasan wanted to get out, the military wouldn't let him out of his commission.

The second is something called "Officer Country". If Hasan had been an enlisted man doing the stuff he was doing, they'd have cracked down on him a lot sooner.

 

[Oddball]

The moment he admitted to being a warrior for Al Queda, he should have been dragged out of the courtroom and summarily shot as a spy.

That has been SOP for enemies wearing a friendly uniform for centuries.

You mean like Anwar al-Awaki?

Hypocrite.

When did he put on a U.S. military uniform and then kill American troops?

 

[RoadVirus]

What I don't get is why this asshole is allowed to retain his beard.

Never mind his beard. Why the fuck has he still been getting his pay?

Because he hasn't been found guilty yet.

That's bullshit. He should've at least had his pay suspended until the result of the trial. If he was found not guilty, all they had to do was look him up on some accounting sheet and give him his back pay then.

 

[Oddball]

What I don't get is why this asshole is allowed to retain his beard.

Never mind his beard. Why the fuck has he still been getting his pay?

Because he hasn't been found guilty yet.

He already admitted being guilty yesterday....Where the fuck have you been?

 

[martybegan]

Good. Not a fan of the death penalty.

Life in prison works fine for me.

Life in prision would only work for me under the following conditions.

The prisioner is escorted to an outdoor area every day, and for 12 hours has to chip away at a rock of 400 lbs with a small hammer. Once the rock is in pieces, he has to crazy glue the rock back together. Once this is done, he gets a new rock to smash, cylce repeats.

Stop working on the rock, stop getting fed. Noose availible if he wants to end it.

Give me that, and Ill support ending the death penalty.

 

[Granny]

Maybe the death penalty is what this guy is hoping for - after all, that would make him a martyr would it not? Unlike Islamic law, instant decapitation is not the way things are done in the US. It would take another 20-30 years before a death penalty was actually carried out.

 

[Oddball]

Good. Not a fan of the death penalty.

Life in prison works fine for me.

Were this a domestic case, I'd agree....But it's not.

Hassan entered a whole different paradigm and jurisdiction when he put on the uniform of an American officer...Spies and traitors -which Hassan has freely admitted to being in open court- deserve no more than summary execution.

He should have been dragged out and shot the moment he admitted that he was a Taliban operative.

 

[RoadVirus]

Never mind his beard. Why the fuck has he still been getting his pay?

Because he hasn't been found guilty yet.

He already admitted being guilty yesterday....Where the fuck have you been?

The same place all Libturds reside in: La La Land.

 

[JoeB131]

Never mind his beard. Why the fuck has he still been getting his pay?

Because he hasn't been found guilty yet.

That's bullshit. He should've at least had his pay suspended until the result of the trial. If he was found not guilty, all they had to do was look him up on some accounting sheet and give him his back pay then.

Oooookay.

Is he going on a mad shopping spree at Wal-Mart? Ummm... no, he's sitting in a jail. Has been for three years now.

Now, yeah, the Army has been dragging its feet prosecuting the guy, but that's because, honestly, this is pretty fucking embarassing to the Army.

Incidently, I think it's actually pretty awful that they are refusing to treat some of the wounded from this incident.

 

[wavingrl]

Maybe the death penalty is what this guy is hoping for - after all, that would make him a martyr would it not? Unlike Islamic law, instant decapitation is not the way things are done in the US. It would take another 20-30 years before a death penalty was actually carried out.

By all accounts this seems to be his goal.

CNN reported today that a team of attorneys assisting him wants 'out'. The assumption is/was that he seems to be working with the prosecution.

Apparently in this sort of trial/military --if execution is a possible outcome there must be some sort of defense.

An expert theorized that there would be all kinds of grounds for appeals--starting with the judge's decision not to allow the premise that he was 'defending the Taliban'. He made some interesting points which I cannot recall.

To my simplistic way of thinking--execution --swift and certain would have long ago been the correct outcome.

Apparently this guy wanted to get out of the military and wasn't able. Not that he wouldn't have found a way to commit such a heinous crime as a civilian but it is puzzling that he couldn't have been excused from the military and wouldn't have had access to unsuspecting victims.

I fully expect the trial of Tsarnaev/boston bombing to be equally as strange.

 

[RoadVirus]

Maybe the death penalty is what this guy is hoping for - after all, that would make him a martyr would it not?

If that's what he wants, get an MP to blow his brains out. Bang. There..he's in Hell where he belongs. Now can we move on?

 

[RoadVirus]

Now, yeah, the Army has been dragging its feet prosecuting the guy, but that's because, honestly, this is pretty fucking embarassing to the Army.

To say this has been an embarassment is an understatment. They knew he had a screw loose, but they decided to lock it in a filing cabinet ("There...the problem went away!") because he was part of a SVG (Special "Victims" Group).

 

[Oddball]

Now, yeah, the Army has been dragging its feet prosecuting the guy, but that's because, honestly, this is pretty fucking embarassing to the Army.

To say this has been an embarassment is an understatment. They knew he had a screw loose, but they decided to lock it in a filing cabinet ("There...the problem went away!") because he was part of a SVG (Special "Victims" Group).

It's beyond embarrassment.

The traitor refuses to shave his beard, yet shows up in the uniform of an Army Lt. Col.

What kind of pussies are in charge of the UCMJ these days?

 

[JoeB131]

Now, yeah, the Army has been dragging its feet prosecuting the guy, but that's because, honestly, this is pretty fucking embarassing to the Army.

To say this has been an embarassment is an understatment. They knew he had a screw loose, but they decided to lock it in a filing cabinet ("There...the problem went away!") because he was part of a SVG (Special "Victims" Group).

I don't think it was so much that as it was a case of "Officer's Country".

When I was in, we had this Leuitenant who was completely fucked out of his mind. Called a black soldier the N-word and a female soldier the C-word. Threatened people with violence. Got caught with live ammunition in his office. But somehow, he got through OCS on his third try.

Guess what. Officer Country. They kept sweeping this shit under the rug until someone complained to the IG about this guy.

The other part of the problem is the Army's policy of not letting ANYONE out. Things that would have gotten you thrown out (Outing yourself as Gay before Obama ended DADT, being mentally unstable, etc.) in peacetime were ignored during the War on Terror. For instance, trainers wanted to discharge Bradley Manning during Boot Camp. Nope. We got to make our retention numbers.

Here's the thing. Hasan ASKED to get out of the Army. But they wouldn't let him out. They needed psychologists in the Medical Corps, even ones who were batshit crazy, apparently.

 

[JoeB131]

Now, yeah, the Army has been dragging its feet prosecuting the guy, but that's because, honestly, this is pretty fucking embarassing to the Army.

To say this has been an embarassment is an understatment. They knew he had a screw loose, but they decided to lock it in a filing cabinet ("There...the problem went away!") because he was part of a SVG (Special "Victims" Group).

It's beyond embarrassment.

The traitor refuses to shave his beard, yet shows up in the uniform of an Army Lt. Col.

What kind of pussies are in charge of the UCMJ these days?

Ones who don't want to screw up their conviction.

Incidently, he's wearing the uniform of an Army Major, which IS his rank right now. Until he's convicted, anyway.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

HE SHOULD be SHAVED (against his will, fine by me) BEFORE he is dragged into the court martial room again.

They should permit him to plead guilty, since his "defense" appears to be that he is guilty.

They should refrain from sentencing him to death. Normally, in extreme cases like his, I am ok with the death penalty and I'd be ok with his being put down like a rabid dog, too.

However, inasmuch as he hopes to become a "martyr," I think in his case it would suffice to stick him in a filthy hole in Leavenworth. And if they HAPPEN to bury his corpse some day under the prison, that's cool, too. Maybe they can find some pork rinds and pig shit to toss into his coffin, too.

 

[Oddball]

To say this has been an embarassment is an understatment. They knew he had a screw loose, but they decided to lock it in a filing cabinet ("There...the problem went away!") because he was part of a SVG (Special "Victims" Group).

It's beyond embarrassment.

The traitor refuses to shave his beard, yet shows up in the uniform of an Army Lt. Col.

What kind of pussies are in charge of the UCMJ these days?

Ones who don't want to screw up their conviction.

Incidently, he's wearing the uniform of an Army Major, which IS his rank right now. Until he's convicted, anyway.

He has been promoted to Lt. Col....And he deserves no more justice right now than to be dragged out of his cell and summarily shot, now that he has freely admitted to being a Taliban operative in a U.S. Army uniform.

 

[gallantwarrior]

What I don't get is why this asshole is allowed to retain his beard.
He's an O-4 in the Army (for the time being).
That fucker should comply with military grooming standards.

Of all the things this shit stain is guilty of, this is what bothers you?

C. Everet koop disagree's with you sir.

C. Everet Koop is obviously a Naval Officer and therefor authorized to have facial hair. The only folks I've known in the Army who were permitted facial hair had a follicle infection.

 

[JoeB131]

It's beyond embarrassment.

The traitor refuses to shave his beard, yet shows up in the uniform of an Army Lt. Col.

What kind of pussies are in charge of the UCMJ these days?

Ones who don't want to screw up their conviction.

Incidently, he's wearing the uniform of an Army Major, which IS his rank right now. Until he's convicted, anyway.

He has been promoted to Lt. Col....And he deserves no more justice right now than to be dragged out of his cell and summarily shot, now that he has freely admitted to being a Taliban operative in a U.S. Army uniform.

Do you actualy have a source for that?

The guy had only just made major a couple years before the incident, somehow, I don't think they were going to promote him...

Not to mention the fact he can't pass an APFT (being in a wheelchair and all) or gain any promotion points through being at duty stations. Oh, yeah, and shooting 13 people.

Incidently, the army hasn't executed anyone in 52 years, and they are making sure they are VERY careful on this one.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

What I don't get is why this asshole is allowed to retain his beard.
He's an O-4 in the Army (for the time being).
That fucker should comply with military grooming standards.

Of all the things this shit stain is guilty of, this is what bothers you?

C. Everet koop disagree's with you sir.

C. Everet Koop is obviously a Naval Officer and therefor authorized to have facial hair. The only folks I've known in the Army who were permitted facial hair had a follicle infection.

No. Dr. Koop was not a naval officer. He was a commissioned officer in The U.S. Public Health Service Corps.

The Wiki explanation is:

The United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps (PHSCC) is the federal uniformed service of the United States Public Health Service (PHS) and is one of the seven uniformed services of the United States.

Along with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Commissioned Corps, the Public Health Service Commissioned Corps is one of two uniformed services that only consist of commissioned officers and has no enlisted or warrant officer ranks, although warrant officers have been authorized for use within the service.[5] Officers of the PHS are classified as noncombatants, unless directed to serve as part of the armed forces by the President or detailed to a service branch of the armed forces.[6] Members of the PHSCC wear the same uniforms as the United States Navy with special corps insignia, and hold ranks equivalent to those of naval officers. Officers of the PHSCC receive their commissions through the PHSCC's direct commissioning program.

As with its parent division, the PHS, the PHSCC is under the direction of the United States Department of Health and Human Services. The PHSCC is led by the Surgeon General who holds grade of vice admiral.[7] The Surgeon General reports directly to the Assistant Secretary for Health who may hold the rank of admiral if he or she is a serving member of the PHSCC.[7] * * * *

-- United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Further, on Koop, another Wiki piece explains:

Charles Everett Koop, MD (October 14, 1916 – February 25, 2013) was an American pediatric surgeon and public health administrator. He was a vice admiral in the Public Health Service Commissioned Corps,[1] and served as the 13th Surgeon General of the United States under President Ronald Reagan from 1982 to 1989.[3]

-- C. Everett Koop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interestingly:

Corps officers wear uniforms similar to those of the United States Navy with special PHSCC insignia. In certain duty situations, a PHSCC officer can be allocated to another uniformed service. For example, the NOAA Corps do not commission medical officers on board ship so the PHSCC allocates officers to them. The PHSCC also allocates and details a number of officers to the United States Coast Guard. Because of this close relationship, if a PHSCC officer is on assignment with the Coast Guard, the officer is required to wear the same service uniforms as regular Coast Guard officers, but still bearing PHSCC insignia to identify them. The PHSCC officer is also subject to grooming standards of the service to which attached for uniform appearance.

-- United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did I say "interestingly?" I better check those meds.



Oh, and one more thing. The Fort Hood shooter should fucking die.

But, if they deny him his martyr wish, that's ok, too as long as the fucker never sees the light of day as a free man ever again.