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Yes, and the family has the right to not negotiate with a new contract and to go to another network.
Sure. No one has suggested otherwise...
You did by saying the rights are all on the side of the Producer.
I pointed out that the family also has rights not just the producer.
Edge if you want me to say that the folks causing the controversy were OK for doing so you're not going to get that out of me. I don't agree with it and think it's people stupidly trying to make something out of nothing.
But (again) there are contracts signed between TV personalities and their networks stating "if said actor stirs up controversy in the news that can be considered harmful to the network, they have a right to be fired". Controversy is controversy. Makes no difference if it's valid controversy. Most networks want their stars to behave in a predictable manner.
And.... Of course they're not going to fire the guy. He has delivered the #1 show in cable history, and he's a goldmine. However by "suspending" him A&E covered their asses by making it absolutely clear they are not endorsing his opinion. Most networks want to remain neutral on issues like these.
Again, before you start calling everyone a "bigot", just stop and take two seconds to figure out if you're using the word in the correct manner.
It took (??) Network a long time to fire Charlie Sheen.
Was it because he was so good? Or was it because the Network was afraid of a lawsuit does it even matter?
Of course Networks have a right..... No, they have a duty, to protect their brand.
But that's not what happened here and you're too sophisticated to argue otherwise.
Edge - whether you or I personally agree with or disagree with the gay lifestyle is beyond the point.
The point is both of us know it's a highly controversial, touchy, and dividing issue with the American population. That's just how it is. If it appears that A&E endorses a strictly Christian view there's a potential to lose a lot of viewers if things don't go well and I believe A&E just wanted to instantly distance itself from the comments to protect its ass.
It's most certainly about protecting the brand, and if you can't see this you're fooling yourself.
Sure. No one has suggested otherwise...
You did by saying the rights are all on the side of the Producer.
I pointed out that the family also has rights not just the producer.
Not in the morality clause of a production contract they don't, hell no. A new contract is whatever's in it, but all this discussion is under the current contract.
They didn't "fold".
They're airing the episodes that have already been filmed. Phil is still "suspended".
"Robertson will be back on the hugely popular show which regularly pulls in 12 million viewers when filming recommences in January."
Unsurprisingly, the Daily Mail has lied to you again.
Here's the Entertainment Tonight article that they're claiming is their source:
'Duck Dynasty': New episodes will include Phil | Inside TV | EW.com
Notice there's nothing about "filming" in January.
You did by saying the rights are all on the side of the Producer.
I pointed out that the family also has rights not just the producer.
Not in the morality clause of a production contract they don't, hell no. A new contract is whatever's in it, but all this discussion is under the current contract.
Which will effect the Families decision on a new contract and that is also part of the discussion.
Robertson was placed on "indefinite" suspension from the show mid-week. The Duck Dynasty cast has responded to the controversy, expressing disappointment and implying that the show won't go on without their patriarch. - See more at: Duck Dynasty: Phil Robertson Suspended Because of Gay A&E Employees - The Hollywood Gossip
Not in the morality clause of a production contract they don't, hell no. A new contract is whatever's in it, but all this discussion is under the current contract.
Which will effect the Families decision on a new contract and that is also part of the discussion.
Robertson was placed on "indefinite" suspension from the show mid-week. The Duck Dynasty cast has responded to the controversy, expressing disappointment and implying that the show won't go on without their patriarch. - See more at: Duck Dynasty: Phil Robertson Suspended Because of Gay A&E Employees - The Hollywood Gossip
No, it is not.
Neither TV Producers nor Talent act on what may or may not be in a future contract. They act on the present one. If we acted on future hypotheticals, contracts would mean nothing.
Yep. Phill has already been recorded, and A&E has an obligation...do you realize what will happen? MORE that have never seen it, will be watching. What a boon...a ratings Bonanza coup A&E will have?"Robertson will be back on the hugely popular show which regularly pulls in 12 million viewers when filming recommences in January."
Unsurprisingly, the Daily Mail has lied to you again.
Here's the Entertainment Tonight article that they're claiming is their source:
'Duck Dynasty': New episodes will include Phil | Inside TV | EW.com
Notice there's nothing about "filming" in January.
"Regardless of the current controversy and behind-the-scenes tension, A&E has every intention of keeping Phil Robertson on the air."
"A source close to the situation confirmed that when the network resumes airing new episodes of Duck Dynasty starting Jan. 15 footage featuring the Robertson patriarch will indeed remain intact..."
Theres no negotiation to have; were doing the show, said an insider close to the situation."
They're going to resume like normal Jan 15.
'Duck Dynasty': New episodes will include Phil | Inside TV | EW.com
Not in the morality clause of a production contract they don't, hell no. A new contract is whatever's in it, but all this discussion is under the current contract.
Which will effect the Families decision on a new contract and that is also part of the discussion.
Robertson was placed on "indefinite" suspension from the show mid-week. The Duck Dynasty cast has responded to the controversy, expressing disappointment and implying that the show won't go on without their patriarch. - See more at: Duck Dynasty: Phil Robertson Suspended Because of Gay A&E Employees - The Hollywood Gossip
No, it is not.
Neither TV Producers nor Talent act on what may or may not be in a future contract. They act on the present one. If we acted on future hypotheticals, contracts would mean nothing.
Which will effect the Families decision on a new contract and that is also part of the discussion.
Robertson was placed on "indefinite" suspension from the show mid-week. The Duck Dynasty cast has responded to the controversy, expressing disappointment and implying that the show won't go on without their patriarch. - See more at: Duck Dynasty: Phil Robertson Suspended Because of Gay A&E Employees - The Hollywood Gossip
No, it is not.
Neither TV Producers nor Talent act on what may or may not be in a future contract. They act on the present one. If we acted on future hypotheticals, contracts would mean nothing.
You don't know what's in their contract stop acting like you know anything because don't know a fucking thing
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Yep. Phill has already been recorded, and A&E has an obligation...do you realize what will happen? MORE that have never seen it, will be watching. What a boon...a ratings Bonanza coup A&E will have?Unsurprisingly, the Daily Mail has lied to you again.
Here's the Entertainment Tonight article that they're claiming is their source:
'Duck Dynasty': New episodes will include Phil | Inside TV | EW.com
Notice there's nothing about "filming" in January.
"Regardless of the current controversy and behind-the-scenes tension, A&E has every intention of keeping Phil Robertson on the air."
"A source close to the situation confirmed that when the network resumes airing new episodes of Duck Dynasty starting Jan. 15 footage featuring the Robertson patriarch will indeed remain intact..."
Theres no negotiation to have; were doing the show, said an insider close to the situation."
They're going to resume like normal Jan 15.
'Duck Dynasty': New episodes will include Phil | Inside TV | EW.com
Which will effect the Families decision on a new contract and that is also part of the discussion.
Robertson was placed on "indefinite" suspension from the show mid-week. The Duck Dynasty cast has responded to the controversy, expressing disappointment and implying that the show won't go on without their patriarch. - See more at: Duck Dynasty: Phil Robertson Suspended Because of Gay A&E Employees - The Hollywood Gossip
No, it is not.
Neither TV Producers nor Talent act on what may or may not be in a future contract. They act on the present one. If we acted on future hypotheticals, contracts would mean nothing.
That is not what I'm saying Pogo.
If A&E does not reinstate Phil in future productions that are left in this contract, the Family are implying that they will not make a new contract for any future shows.
Yep. Phill has already been recorded, and A&E has an obligation...do you realize what will happen? MORE that have never seen it, will be watching. What a boon...a ratings Bonanza coup A&E will have?"Regardless of the current controversy and behind-the-scenes tension, A&E has every intention of keeping Phil Robertson on the air."
"A source close to the situation confirmed that when the network resumes airing new episodes of Duck Dynasty starting Jan. 15 footage featuring the Robertson patriarch will indeed remain intact..."
“There’s no negotiation to have; we’re doing the show,” said an insider close to the situation."
They're going to resume like normal Jan 15.
'Duck Dynasty': New episodes will include Phil | Inside TV | EW.com
I understand over a million people have pledged to boycott A&E.
They're gonna get hurt over this. Big time.
I see pressure being brought to bear on advertisers as well.
Did you see what Cracker Barrel did? Took them about three days to figure out they fucked up.
I wonder how long it will take A&E to figure out who it is exactly that watches DD
Like "Duck Dynasty" is real popular in New Yawk Shitty?
Yeah, right.
I've never seen it. Just not interested.
To me, Duck tastes like Tuna on a stick. Unless it's farm-raised. If it's wild? No thanks.
Yep. Phill has already been recorded, and A&E has an obligation...do you realize what will happen? MORE that have never seen it, will be watching. What a boon...a ratings Bonanza coup A&E will have?
I understand over a million people have pledged to boycott A&E.
They're gonna get hurt over this. Big time.
I see pressure being brought to bear on advertisers as well.
Did you see what Cracker Barrel did? Took them about three days to figure out they fucked up.
I wonder how long it will take A&E to figure out who it is exactly that watches DD
Like "Duck Dynasty" is real popular in New Yawk Shitty?
Yeah, right.
I've never seen it. Just not interested.
To me, Duck tastes like Tuna on a stick. Unless it's farm-raised. If it's wild? No thanks.
"Media boycotts" never work. As long as the media in question is disseminated to the general public (which this unfortunately is), anyone is free to watch. The simple psychology is that if X% of regular viewers abstain from the show, 2X or 3X or 5X new viewers will be drawn in if only to find out what the controversy's all about, more than making up for them.
That is, if they abstain, which is doubtful. Talk is cheap.
None of which really matters - the show is paid for by its advertisers, and those ad rates are set according to what kind of audience the ad buyer can expect. Boycotters cannot bring down a TV show unless they find a way to keep viewers from watching it. Ad buyers and ratings watchers know this truism well, trust me. Since there's literally no such thing as bad publicity, bet the house the ad rates for DD just went up -- not down.
I could see it if Phil R went out and started screaming about how he hated fags and thought they were all scumbags etc, etc.
But what he did was talk about SIN and SINNERS. There was no hate in his heart or in his words.
The problem with you people is that any speech that doesn't fall within the narrow guidelines you demand OF OTHERS is righteously condemned and the people who spoke it along with it.
But let a group with the right 'status' make fun of gays, and..Hey! It's all just in fun, right?
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You might think of yourself as a good individual, but you're being controlled by some seriously evil people.
Of course, if you admit it, then you have to admit that you've been wrong your entire life.
Not an easy thing to do. Takes a lot of guts and that's one major reason that people don't change.
Edge, you're missing another very important point. It's going completely over your head.
I read the interview, and really don't think it was that bad or that shocking. It's was just what you'd expect from someone who was a pretty outspoken Christian. However, what happened is that a whole shitload of controversy was drummed up about it. Yes, a lot of his comments were twisted and blown out of proportion but at the end of the day the interview completely blew up.
The fervor was unpredictable, scandalous, and could be viewed as damaging to the A&E brand. Again, A&E has a right to protect itself from this by distancing itself from Phil by suspending him.
This is called business, Edge. Hundreds of millions of dollars are on the line and they need to do what's right for the network. If A&E did nothing they ran the risk of losing a big chunk of its viewers who may view the network as "anti-gay" etc.
What I am not doing is denouncing Phil, or denouncing Christians, or denouncing people who dislike gays.
I'm am simply saying that a company has a right to defend itself.
No, they don't. They hired him because of his outspoken manner, and they hired him knowing (because hey, he wrote books and already had produced shows) exactly what his views were.
To suddenly decide that he isn't allowed to voice his Christian views...that's discrimination. They know it too. That's why he's not really fired, and why they are continuing and really just want the whole thing to go away.
One of the higher ups at A&E got a hair crossways, and their decision was vetoed. They were probably fired.
A&E folded like a cheap suit.
Cuz they know they can't penalize him for his faith.
Particularly when they hired him KNOWING this was a huge part of his schtick.
His schtick is being a dumber than shit redneck.
People aren't laughing WITH him, they are laughing AT him.
Aquired taste.Yep. Phill has already been recorded, and A&E has an obligation...do you realize what will happen? MORE that have never seen it, will be watching. What a boon...a ratings Bonanza coup A&E will have?"Regardless of the current controversy and behind-the-scenes tension, A&E has every intention of keeping Phil Robertson on the air."
"A source close to the situation confirmed that when the network resumes airing new episodes of Duck Dynasty starting Jan. 15 footage featuring the Robertson patriarch will indeed remain intact..."
Theres no negotiation to have; were doing the show, said an insider close to the situation."
They're going to resume like normal Jan 15.
'Duck Dynasty': New episodes will include Phil | Inside TV | EW.com
I understand over a million people have pledged to boycott A&E.
They're gonna get hurt over this. Big time.
I see pressure being brought to bear on advertisers as well.
Did you see what Cracker Barrel did? Took them about three days to figure out they fucked up.
I wonder how long it will take A&E to figure out who it is exactly that watches DD
Like "Duck Dynasty" is real popular in New Yawk Shitty?
Yeah, right.
I've never seen it. Just not interested.
To me, Duck tastes like Tuna on a stick. Unless it's farm-raised. If it's wild? No thanks.
I understand over a million people have pledged to boycott A&E.
They're gonna get hurt over this. Big time.
I see pressure being brought to bear on advertisers as well.
Did you see what Cracker Barrel did? Took them about three days to figure out they fucked up.
I wonder how long it will take A&E to figure out who it is exactly that watches DD
Like "Duck Dynasty" is real popular in New Yawk Shitty?
Yeah, right.
I've never seen it. Just not interested.
To me, Duck tastes like Tuna on a stick. Unless it's farm-raised. If it's wild? No thanks.
"Media boycotts" never work. As long as the media in question is disseminated to the general public (which this unfortunately is), anyone is free to watch. The simple psychology is that if X% of regular viewers abstain from the show, 2X or 3X or 5X new viewers will be drawn in if only to find out what the controversy's all about, more than making up for them.
That is, if they abstain, which is doubtful. Talk is cheap.
None of which really matters - the show is paid for by its advertisers, and those ad rates are set according to what kind of audience the ad buyer can expect. Boycotters cannot bring down a TV show unless they find a way to keep viewers from watching it. Ad buyers and ratings watchers know this truism well, trust me. Since there's literally no such thing as bad publicity, bet the house the ad rates for DD just went up -- not down.
We're not talking about M.A.S.H here. While this is a popular show, from what I understand, it has a targeted market.
And that market is made up of people that think just like Phil Robertson does.
Like I said, I've never seen the first episode. And I also think judging gays so harshly is wrong.
But the fact is, a lot of people that watch that show have the same, exact attitudes towards sex that PR does.
Advertisers target market as well. I doubt you see a lot of Ads for Mercedes on the show. Maybe a few for tractors, but not too many for expensive perfumes or designer clothing.
Then there's the local markets....
A&E screwed the pooch. And they're gonna pay.
The DD gang? They're gonna make out like bandits. Another Network will snap them up for a big, fat contract in a heartbeat if they can. If A&E lets them out of their last year.
Which is what I think happens to avoid a lawsuit.
Edge, you're missing another very important point. It's going completely over your head.
I read the interview, and really don't think it was that bad or that shocking. It's was just what you'd expect from someone who was a pretty outspoken Christian. However, what happened is that a whole shitload of controversy was drummed up about it. Yes, a lot of his comments were twisted and blown out of proportion but at the end of the day the interview completely blew up.
The fervor was unpredictable, scandalous, and could be viewed as damaging to the A&E brand. Again, A&E has a right to protect itself from this by distancing itself from Phil by suspending him.
This is called business, Edge. Hundreds of millions of dollars are on the line and they need to do what's right for the network. If A&E did nothing they ran the risk of losing a big chunk of its viewers who may view the network as "anti-gay" etc.
What I am not doing is denouncing Phil, or denouncing Christians, or denouncing people who dislike gays.
I'm am simply saying that a company has a right to defend itself.
No, they don't. They hired him because of his outspoken manner, and they hired him knowing (because hey, he wrote books and already had produced shows) exactly what his views were.
To suddenly decide that he isn't allowed to voice his Christian views...that's discrimination. They know it too. That's why he's not really fired, and why they are continuing and really just want the whole thing to go away.
One of the higher ups at A&E got a hair crossways, and their decision was vetoed. They were probably fired.
And while we're at it, I didn't realize talking about fucking or not fucking someone's ass was a "Christian" viewpoint. Quit defending this as "religious commentary".
It's not fucking religious commentary. Don't recall Jesus ever describing what he thought of men's asses and why it's "gross" to fuck them. Jesus was interested in more important issues.
Phil's comments were lewd and this was one of the reasons this thing blew up. He didn't simply say "I disagree with gay marriage or gay people", he was straight up talking about assholes and vaginas.
