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But.....That's where the radioactivity CAME from. Did you know bananas are radioactive? They are full of potassium-40 isotopes.I actually cried when I learned that we were taking it and burying it deep in the Earth. In our Mother. We've only got one, folks.
I don't think we should do that and I doubt if anyone is advocating it. You don't have to be insulting about it, either. I'm not a Democrat. I don't have a party. What is wrong with you lately?Well, they need it once every forty years or so, right? I guess we can forgive that.
What alternatives do you THINK are actual alternatives? Wind and solar are SUPPLEMENTS, never alternatives. Because they cannot be RELIED ON for grid power. Solar is only good for 6 to 8 hours a day depending on lattitude, clouds, precip, and ICE and snow ALSO !!!...
And wind is so entirely flaky, it cannot be scheduled for contracts at all.. Often functionally GONE for 2 or 4 a week or in the dead of night.
THESE are your "Green alternatives".. To quote James Hansen, the godfather of Global Warming, --
"If you think you're gonna fix GWarming with just wind and solar -- you probably believe in the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny",.
YOUR PARTY is apparently a bunch of Tooth Fairy believers. Who SEEM to want to kill off more of the population by BANNING OUR STABLE GRID GENERATION -- before they find a better replacement for than the Tooth Fairy...
I'm peeved that science and engineering have been politicized and so many folks have been entirely propagandized.. And scared SHITLESS that mental midgets like Bernie, AOC, and our GWarming Czar Ketchup Kerry are gonna be deconstructing our energy policy.
When you say "no one is advocating this" you're being entirely dishonest. I haven't changed. The question really is -- What is wrong with YOU lately?
I understand you are a Texan, so naturally you support your state's greatest natural resource, but it's fucking up the planet, ding.That's my understanding of the plan. What part of no more fossil fuels am I not understanding?Is it being used for peak load? I didn't know that was the plan. It would be awesome if all renewable sources could be used that don't pollute our world further, though. They're looking into tidal energy, as well.I don't believe they are storing it at the generation sites but I could be wrong. As for the icing I believe they already have a heat trace technology they can apply but it is expensive because they need to take the blades down to add the coating. I have no idea why they ever installed them without freeze protection in the first place. But they did and so did the Germans and they are considered the world's leader in wind. As for the inherent inefficiency of solar and wind (aka the wind not blowing and sun not shining) there's nothing they can do about that. To me these are technologies that should never be our primary source. Relying on these technologies for peak load seems to be a predictable surprise waiting to happen.Don't they store it for slack times? Don't you think the technology will improve, just as all other technologies have done?Correct. Which is why moonglow's argument that icing is not unique to generating electricity is spurious.I don't. Lines going down during wind, snow and ice storms are a regular part of winter where it gets cold, no matter how it's generated.I think this goes to the question of reliability. Wind and solar are more susceptible to disruptions than the other technologies.Mother Nature defeats us all the time, one way or the other. This is just another one of her little love pats.
As for the question of reliability - setting icing aside which has been a major world wide disruption of solar and wind this winter - wind and solar are inherently less reliable than traditional power generation technologies because neither is a 24/7/365 technology. They operate in the 50% or less utilization range the last I looked.
Posters who are pointing to wind power as a failure due to a once in a hundred year weather event is not sensible, though. Catastrophes happen. Mother Nature always wins.
Yes, catastrophes happen. That has nothing to do with poorly thought out aims which will result in predictable surprises and are knee jerk reactions to a problem we don't have.
No one ever thought of this worst case scenario because they deluded themselves into believing that there would be no cold snaps. If the temperature is going to be hot enough in nine years to kill all life on earth it would be too warm now for cold snaps.
They're looking into tidal energy as well. The technology will improve. By chipping away at demand for carbon fuels by using renewable, clean energy where possible, everyone wins.,
There is nothing wrong with me. I haven't changed. And I'm certainly not being dishonest. If there are current plans to make renewable energy our primary source, please share. I know about the big goals of the green energy thingy; it's always nice to have a goal, but it's a bunch of words, like all those meaningless mission statements folks have these days for every org.I don't think we should do that and I doubt if anyone is advocating it. You don't have to be insulting about it, either. I'm not a Democrat. I don't have a party. What is wrong with you lately?Well, they need it once every forty years or so, right? I guess we can forgive that.
What alternatives do you THINK are actual alternatives? Wind and solar are SUPPLEMENTS, never alternatives. Because they cannot be RELIED ON for grid power. Solar is only good for 6 to 8 hours a day depending on lattitude, clouds, precip, and ICE and snow ALSO !!!...
And wind is so entirely flaky, it cannot be scheduled for contracts at all.. Often functionally GONE for 2 or 4 a week or in the dead of night.
THESE are your "Green alternatives".. To quote James Hansen, the godfather of Global Warming, --
"If you think you're gonna fix GWarming with just wind and solar -- you probably believe in the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny",.
YOUR PARTY is apparently a bunch of Tooth Fairy believers. Who SEEM to want to kill off more of the population by BANNING OUR STABLE GRID GENERATION -- before they find a better replacement for than the Tooth Fairy...
I'm peeved that science and engineering have been politicized and so many folks have been entirely propagandized.. And scared SHITLESS that mental midgets like Bernie, AOC, and our GWarming Czar Ketchup Kerry are gonna be deconstructing our energy policy.
When you say "no one is advocating this" you're being entirely dishonest. I haven't changed. The question really is -- What is wrong with YOU lately?
Renewable energy, in my understanding, still being in its infancy, is not expected to take over anytime soon as the only power sources we have. If I'm wrong, link me.
And you still live there ?When Maine had the Mother of all ice storms in 1998, very few people had generators; even most gas stations didn't, which was causing the electric crews called in to help to run out of gas. 3" of ice encased the state; transmission lines fell like a row of dominoes, electric was down for a week and a half. Most people around here have wells, so along with the misery of no lights, no heat, no tv, and living on devilled ham sandwiches, most people also had no running water. We tried melting buckets of snow to flush the toilet, but it was too damned cold in the house for it to melt. After that storm, a lot of people started investing in pellet stoves or generators and most gas stations now have enough backup to at least pump gas (and hopefully make coffee). They're not expecting anything like it for a hundred years. Maybe Texas, too, will start planning for the unforeseen. It seems like defrosters on the turbines should be standard, at any rate.Check Weatherman2020's post on this earlier. He illustrated with helicopter spraying petrichemical deicer on the wind turbines to get rid of the ice so they could make green energy.The irony of this event is oh so delicious
Nearly half of Texas' installed wind power generation capacity has been offline because of frozen wind turbines in West Texas, according to Texas grid operators.
Wind farms across the state generate up to a combined 25,100 megawatts of energy. But unusually moist winter conditions in West Texas brought on by the weekend's freezing rain and historically low temperatures have iced many of those wind turbines to a halt.
Frozen wind turbines hamper Texas power output, state's electric grid operator says
Texas grid operators urge conservation as frozen wind turbines freeze up electric generation.www.statesman.com
Where's the "irony"?
But seriously, is this a matter of ice on the blades?
One of our local radio stations has had a shitty signal lately which I strongly suspect is the effect of de-icers on the antenna not working. Ice will fuck up things that need to be smooth as it changes the shape. Anyone who subscribes to satellite TV probably knows this too. And of course in the case of a propeller it changes the whole weight and balance.
Wind turbine blades should have de-icers on them, at least if they're in a climate where ice is likely. And maybe they do but not in Texas.
Oh Brother!! Talk about irony!!A helicopter running on fossil fuel spraying a chemical made from fossil fuels onto a wind turbine made with fossils fuels during an ice storm is awesome.
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Frozen wind turbines hamper Texas power output, state's electric grid operator says
Texas grid operators urge conservation as frozen wind turbines freeze up electric generation.www.statesman.com
It's de-icing fluid. Probably antifreeze. Saw a vid on news tonight of using drones to spray them clean. What they NEED are blade heaters. Yeah, that's a lot of metal in sub-zero windchill, but the energy would only be needed a few days a year. So this COULD BE FIXED as some incremental cost to initial cost to the rig and maintenance and production efficiency..
Reminds me of when, I think Michigan -- started to replace their traffic lights with "low power" LEDs. First bad winter they totally iced up and filled with snow.. Because it was the waste heat from the older bulbs that prevented that in the winter time..
So they had to replace all of them or retrofit. Dont KNOW if the heaters have to run all year or they can be switched on manually at each intersection or by internet.
But.....That's where the radioactivity CAME from. Did you know bananas are radioactive? They are full of potassium-40 isotopes.I actually cried when I learned that we were taking it and burying it deep in the Earth. In our Mother. We've only got one, folks.
"A value of 9.82×10−8 sieverts or about 0.1 microsieverts (10 μrem) was suggested for a 150-gram (5.3 oz) banana."
Dry your eyes and eat a banana OldLady.
Bullshit. We have global warming. Cold weather is so last century.A helicopter running on fossil fuel spraying a chemical made from fossil fuels onto a wind turbine made with fossils fuels during an ice storm is awesome.
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Frozen wind turbines hamper Texas power output, state's electric grid operator says
Texas grid operators urge conservation as frozen wind turbines freeze up electric generation.www.statesman.com
Oh Brother!! Talk about irony!!A helicopter running on fossil fuel spraying a chemical made from fossil fuels onto a wind turbine made with fossils fuels during an ice storm is awesome.
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Frozen wind turbines hamper Texas power output, state's electric grid operator says
Texas grid operators urge conservation as frozen wind turbines freeze up electric generation.www.statesman.com
It's de-icing fluid. Probably antifreeze. Saw a vid on news tonight of using drones to spray them clean. What they NEED are blade heaters. Yeah, that's a lot of metal in sub-zero windchill, but the energy would only be needed a few days a year. So this COULD BE FIXED as some incremental cost to initial cost to the rig and maintenance and production efficiency..
Reminds me of when, I think Michigan -- started to replace their traffic lights with "low power" LEDs. First bad winter they totally iced up and filled with snow.. Because it was the waste heat from the older bulbs that prevented that in the winter time..
So they had to replace all of them or retrofit. Dont KNOW if the heaters have to run all year or they can be switched on manually at each intersection or by internet.
The blades are not metal, They are fiberglass and carbon fiber.
Watts Up With That?
Texas frozen wind power – outages ensue, electricity now at unheard of $9000 per megawatt-hour
2/15/2021
Anthony Watts
Excerpt:
There’s a saying in the lone star state “Don’t Mess with Texas” which actually started out as an anti-littering campaign but has become sort of a slogan for the rugged, no-nonsense way of life that people have there. Now with dead wind turbines littering the state, the focus on deploying unreliable renewable energy in the name of “saving the planet” has literally “messed with Texas” in a huge way.
Ice storms knocked out nearly half the wind-power generating capacity of Texas on Sunday as a massive deep freeze across the state locked up wind turbine generators, creating an electricity generation crisis.
Wind generation ranks as the second-largest source of energy in Texas, accounting for 23% of state power supplies last year, behind natural gas, which represented 45%, according to Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) figures.
ERCOT reports today the spot price for electricity in Texas is currently a stunning $9000 per MegaWatt-hour. Even in the high demand summer months, $100 per MW-hr would be high.
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Wind generation is in its infancy. I could be that the days of tall towers and long blades and generators as large as a small house are already outdated. Check this out....Maybe I got that from reading about recycling OLD wind turbines. Before they were 60 ft tall with huge blades. Because they were talking about the metal content available to recycle. Makes sense since those newer blades would be a bear to turn being metal, but not much recycle value to fiber glass and carbon fiber.
Wind generation is in its infancy. I could be that the days of tall towers and long blades and generators as large as a small house are already outdated. Check this out....Maybe I got that from reading about recycling OLD wind turbines. Before they were 60 ft tall with huge blades. Because they were talking about the metal content available to recycle. Makes sense since those newer blades would be a bear to turn being metal, but not much recycle value to fiber glass and carbon fiber.
I think the guy (Robert Murray-Smith) has some good ideas. If you go to You Tube and just type 'wind generation' into their search engine there are a lot of interesting videos by various others. I just find this stuff interesting.
www.phillyvoice.com
Very cool, I'm jealous. I love natural disasters, well at least the ones that involve power outages.
I have the same issue here. When the power goes out the first thing that comes to mind is: "You get ONE flush, make it count". Actually if there's a power outage it usually means the creek just across the way is swollen with water, so I'll take a bucket over there to refill the toilet tank. For drinking and cooking I have backup stored water to tide me over until if need be I can drive up the road to a local spring. Wood stove and/or propane camping stove for cooking. If it's arctic weather and the reefer is off I can just store food out in the car. That's why I like power outages -- it makes ya get creative. And if you live in a lighted area (I don't any more) you get to see stars.
Tidal energy is an enviro nightmare. As a conservationist, I'm appalled at the prospect of locating underwater cuisinarts to mince and dice marine life that will be located at EXTREMEMLY SENSITIVE enviromental areas like shorelines and tidal basins.
Have you ever SEEN THESE THINGS?? They did a test project in England. Essentially DAMMED a whole sensitive tidal basin and the only way in and out is through the blades... YOU LIKE THIS????
