Funnelling money back to the rich. Trump's policy.

[Vandalshandle]

...and Superman fights for Truth, Justice, and the American way!!!!!

 

[frigidweirdo]

But I didn't say they were the same, did I?

Here is what you did say:

In the top 40 only one of those cities is outside of the Americas, it's Cape Town and that's in a Christian country too. In fact the top 50 cities are ALL CHRISTIAN COUNTRIES.

Well, that's 4 to Christianity, two to Judaism, one to Islam (though to be fair they were invading their own country) and Ethiopia's largest religion is Christianity.

Basically Christian countries are the biggest threat, they're the biggest crime bases, they're the biggest problems and yet you blame Islamic countries.... why is that?

If you didn't say Christians are the same, then what did you say?

Well saying that Christian countries are more violent than Muslim countries clearly is not saying they're the same. Saying that Christian countries are more likely to use force is not saying they're the same, is it? I mean, I have no idea how you came to that conclusion at all.

Even if a country that has Christians in it does go to war, it's not because of their religion. That's the point.

Muslims come here to kill our people because of their religion and not because of their Muslim country. If the leaders of their country were behind their terrorist plots, then yes, it was the country that helped. If not, terrorism is strictly because of religion.

Why is that a point? What difference does it make the actual motivation behind it all? That there is motivation, that they've shown themselves to be violent, surely that's the point. Does the US want to stop violence? Seemingly not. This isn't about violence, it isn't about killing. It's about making an enemy they can get people behind, get people angry about, get people united together and they don't how it happens, as long as it exists. And they've been working on Islam being that enemy for a long time now.

Okay, some Muslims go to the US and kill, but most don't. In right wing terms this is when you say "not everyone should be to blame for the minority", because the right will say this every time someone shoots and kills someone. But somehow consistency.doesn't seem to exist in most of politics, does it?

So, if someone kills because of alcohol, you're going to ban alcohol? No. If someone kills because they have guns and can use them, you're going to ban guns? No. And yet you'd ban Muslims even though most Muslims have never done anything.....

Yes.......well we do have sobriety check points to help stop drunks from killing people. We hold establishments responsible that serve alcohol to patrons that had too much to drink. We do have hundreds of gun laws to try to prevent criminals from getting and using guns. If we allowed felons to own and use firearms, probably only a small percentage of them would actually use guns to kill or rob other people, but that's no reason to stop all felons from having firearms, is it?

The US is not considered a Christian nation; at least that's what you on the left keep telling us. We have a lot of Christians in the US, but that in itself does not make us a Christian nation.

Muslims kill people for their religion. Christians kill people for their country and freedom.

Yes, there are checks to try and stop people killing each other when under the influence of alcohol, but still people kill. When people apply for visas in the US, they undergo checks too. In fact a lot of people do get rejected. Someone I used to work with, his girlfriend is Russian and can't even get a tourist visa for the US even with a letter from the guy's senator.
And she's just a normal female Russian.

But the point is you don't stop people from drinking, you don't stop people from owning guns, so why stop Muslims coming into the US?

Muslims kill for their religion. However many see Islam as their nation. So a Christian killing for their country, and a Muslim killing for their religion isn't different at all.

Personally someone who signed up to go to Iraq went there to do the bidding of oil companies and the rich. Is this a better reason to go kill people than those who kill over a religion? They're both ridiculous reasons to kill. They're both wrong.

The question here is, is Islam the enemy or not? The US hasn't officially made Islam the enemy, many Americans are Muslims and Americans at the same time. Making Islam the enemy would cause major problems, however the right has taken the decision to try and vilify Islam at every single opportunity.

What you're talking about is mindless nationalism. Getting people to believe something for their own political goals.

If you look at Israel you'll see a microcosm of the whole situation. A place where the right on both sides manage to use the conflict to further their own political goals. The same is said for radical Islam and the right in the US. Radical Islam wants war, it wants killing, it wants suffering because then it can point the finger at the US and get more support. The right wants war, it wants killing, it wants suffering so it can point the finger at Islam and make people fear, make people angry and make people more likely to vote Republican.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Here is what you did say:


If you didn't say Christians are the same, then what did you say?

Well saying that Christian countries are more violent than Muslim countries clearly is not saying they're the same. Saying that Christian countries are more likely to use force is not saying they're the same, is it? I mean, I have no idea how you came to that conclusion at all.

Even if a country that has Christians in it does go to war, it's not because of their religion. That's the point.

Muslims come here to kill our people because of their religion and not because of their Muslim country. If the leaders of their country were behind their terrorist plots, then yes, it was the country that helped. If not, terrorism is strictly because of religion.

Why is that a point? What difference does it make the actual motivation behind it all? That there is motivation, that they've shown themselves to be violent, surely that's the point. Does the US want to stop violence? Seemingly not. This isn't about violence, it isn't about killing. It's about making an enemy they can get people behind, get people angry about, get people united together and they don't how it happens, as long as it exists. And they've been working on Islam being that enemy for a long time now.

Okay, some Muslims go to the US and kill, but most don't. In right wing terms this is when you say "not everyone should be to blame for the minority", because the right will say this every time someone shoots and kills someone. But somehow consistency.doesn't seem to exist in most of politics, does it?

So, if someone kills because of alcohol, you're going to ban alcohol? No. If someone kills because they have guns and can use them, you're going to ban guns? No. And yet you'd ban Muslims even though most Muslims have never done anything.....

Yes.......well we do have sobriety check points to help stop drunks from killing people. We hold establishments responsible that serve alcohol to patrons that had too much to drink. We do have hundreds of gun laws to try to prevent criminals from getting and using guns. If we allowed felons to own and use firearms, probably only a small percentage of them would actually use guns to kill or rob other people, but that's no reason to stop all felons from having firearms, is it?

The US is not considered a Christian nation; at least that's what you on the left keep telling us. We have a lot of Christians in the US, but that in itself does not make us a Christian nation.

Muslims kill people for their religion. Christians kill people for their country and freedom.

Yes, there are checks to try and stop people killing each other when under the influence of alcohol, but still people kill. When people apply for visas in the US, they undergo checks too. In fact a lot of people do get rejected. Someone I used to work with, his girlfriend is Russian and can't even get a tourist visa for the US even with a letter from the guy's senator.
And she's just a normal female Russian.

But the point is you don't stop people from drinking, you don't stop people from owning guns, so why stop Muslims coming into the US?

Muslims kill for their religion. However many see Islam as their nation. So a Christian killing for their country, and a Muslim killing for their religion isn't different at all.

Personally someone who signed up to go to Iraq went there to do the bidding of oil companies and the rich. Is this a better reason to go kill people than those who kill over a religion? They're both ridiculous reasons to kill. They're both wrong.

The question here is, is Islam the enemy or not? The US hasn't officially made Islam the enemy, many Americans are Muslims and Americans at the same time. Making Islam the enemy would cause major problems, however the right has taken the decision to try and vilify Islam at every single opportunity.

What you're talking about is mindless nationalism. Getting people to believe something for their own political goals.

If you look at Israel you'll see a microcosm of the whole situation. A place where the right on both sides manage to use the conflict to further their own political goals. The same is said for radical Islam and the right in the US. Radical Islam wants war, it wants killing, it wants suffering because then it can point the finger at the US and get more support. The right wants war, it wants killing, it wants suffering so it can point the finger at Islam and make people fear, make people angry and make people more likely to vote Republican.

WTF are you even talking about? You're saying that going to war for your country is the same as brainwashed rag heads that want to kill because of their religion? Are you insane?

They are totally different. For one, an act of war is where militaries battle to overthrow the other. Terrorism is the act of attacking innocents who least suspect it and totally unprepared. Military adheres to the Geneva Convention while terrorists put people in cages and light them on fire. They are not the same. One kills because of some words written in a book and the other kills to preserve their nation.

We don't have problems with people from Russia coming here and committing acts of terror. That's why you do need two sets of rules for granting immigrants legal status to be here. Even our FBI stated there is no way to vet all these Syrian refugees. But DumBama wants to open the door and let them all in supposedly for humanitarian reasons when his real goal is to make whites a minority in this country as quickly as possible.

Here is the problem: we on the right think that being in this country, working in this country, or even becoming a citizen in this country is a privilege. You on the left think it's a right of some sort. It's not a right and they don't have any right to be here. If they are here, it's because they are illegal or they were given our blessing to be here.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well saying that Christian countries are more violent than Muslim countries clearly is not saying they're the same. Saying that Christian countries are more likely to use force is not saying they're the same, is it? I mean, I have no idea how you came to that conclusion at all.

Even if a country that has Christians in it does go to war, it's not because of their religion. That's the point.

Muslims come here to kill our people because of their religion and not because of their Muslim country. If the leaders of their country were behind their terrorist plots, then yes, it was the country that helped. If not, terrorism is strictly because of religion.

Why is that a point? What difference does it make the actual motivation behind it all? That there is motivation, that they've shown themselves to be violent, surely that's the point. Does the US want to stop violence? Seemingly not. This isn't about violence, it isn't about killing. It's about making an enemy they can get people behind, get people angry about, get people united together and they don't how it happens, as long as it exists. And they've been working on Islam being that enemy for a long time now.

Okay, some Muslims go to the US and kill, but most don't. In right wing terms this is when you say "not everyone should be to blame for the minority", because the right will say this every time someone shoots and kills someone. But somehow consistency.doesn't seem to exist in most of politics, does it?

So, if someone kills because of alcohol, you're going to ban alcohol? No. If someone kills because they have guns and can use them, you're going to ban guns? No. And yet you'd ban Muslims even though most Muslims have never done anything.....

Yes.......well we do have sobriety check points to help stop drunks from killing people. We hold establishments responsible that serve alcohol to patrons that had too much to drink. We do have hundreds of gun laws to try to prevent criminals from getting and using guns. If we allowed felons to own and use firearms, probably only a small percentage of them would actually use guns to kill or rob other people, but that's no reason to stop all felons from having firearms, is it?

The US is not considered a Christian nation; at least that's what you on the left keep telling us. We have a lot of Christians in the US, but that in itself does not make us a Christian nation.

Muslims kill people for their religion. Christians kill people for their country and freedom.

Yes, there are checks to try and stop people killing each other when under the influence of alcohol, but still people kill. When people apply for visas in the US, they undergo checks too. In fact a lot of people do get rejected. Someone I used to work with, his girlfriend is Russian and can't even get a tourist visa for the US even with a letter from the guy's senator.
And she's just a normal female Russian.

But the point is you don't stop people from drinking, you don't stop people from owning guns, so why stop Muslims coming into the US?

Muslims kill for their religion. However many see Islam as their nation. So a Christian killing for their country, and a Muslim killing for their religion isn't different at all.

Personally someone who signed up to go to Iraq went there to do the bidding of oil companies and the rich. Is this a better reason to go kill people than those who kill over a religion? They're both ridiculous reasons to kill. They're both wrong.

The question here is, is Islam the enemy or not? The US hasn't officially made Islam the enemy, many Americans are Muslims and Americans at the same time. Making Islam the enemy would cause major problems, however the right has taken the decision to try and vilify Islam at every single opportunity.

What you're talking about is mindless nationalism. Getting people to believe something for their own political goals.

If you look at Israel you'll see a microcosm of the whole situation. A place where the right on both sides manage to use the conflict to further their own political goals. The same is said for radical Islam and the right in the US. Radical Islam wants war, it wants killing, it wants suffering because then it can point the finger at the US and get more support. The right wants war, it wants killing, it wants suffering so it can point the finger at Islam and make people fear, make people angry and make people more likely to vote Republican.

WTF are you even talking about? You're saying that going to war for your country is the same as brainwashed rag heads that want to kill because of their religion? Are you insane?

They are totally different. For one, an act of war is where militaries battle to overthrow the other. Terrorism is the act of attacking innocents who least suspect it and totally unprepared. Military adheres to the Geneva Convention while terrorists put people in cages and light them on fire. They are not the same. One kills because of some words written in a book and the other kills to preserve their nation.

We don't have problems with people from Russia coming here and committing acts of terror. That's why you do need two sets of rules for granting immigrants legal status to be here. Even our FBI stated there is no way to vet all these Syrian refugees. But DumBama wants to open the door and let them all in supposedly for humanitarian reasons when his real goal is to make whites a minority in this country as quickly as possible.

Here is the problem: we on the right think that being in this country, working in this country, or even becoming a citizen in this country is a privilege. You on the left think it's a right of some sort. It's not a right and they don't have any right to be here. If they are here, it's because they are illegal or they were given our blessing to be here.

No, I'm not insane. It's the same. Either way you've been convinced to fight for something you feel is a part of you. What's different about it? One is a country, the other a religion. If you understood Islam you'd see that people see Islam as a nation anyway.

Terrorism exists because it's a way to win without having to confront a large army. The US has the most superior army, the British used to have. Jihad came back to deal with the problems of fighting a superior force, and the superior force LOST.

Terrorism exists because large countries like the US think they can steamroller smaller countries and take over. Terrorism is a reminder that there are consequences to actions.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Even if a country that has Christians in it does go to war, it's not because of their religion. That's the point.

Muslims come here to kill our people because of their religion and not because of their Muslim country. If the leaders of their country were behind their terrorist plots, then yes, it was the country that helped. If not, terrorism is strictly because of religion.

Why is that a point? What difference does it make the actual motivation behind it all? That there is motivation, that they've shown themselves to be violent, surely that's the point. Does the US want to stop violence? Seemingly not. This isn't about violence, it isn't about killing. It's about making an enemy they can get people behind, get people angry about, get people united together and they don't how it happens, as long as it exists. And they've been working on Islam being that enemy for a long time now.

Okay, some Muslims go to the US and kill, but most don't. In right wing terms this is when you say "not everyone should be to blame for the minority", because the right will say this every time someone shoots and kills someone. But somehow consistency.doesn't seem to exist in most of politics, does it?

So, if someone kills because of alcohol, you're going to ban alcohol? No. If someone kills because they have guns and can use them, you're going to ban guns? No. And yet you'd ban Muslims even though most Muslims have never done anything.....

Yes.......well we do have sobriety check points to help stop drunks from killing people. We hold establishments responsible that serve alcohol to patrons that had too much to drink. We do have hundreds of gun laws to try to prevent criminals from getting and using guns. If we allowed felons to own and use firearms, probably only a small percentage of them would actually use guns to kill or rob other people, but that's no reason to stop all felons from having firearms, is it?

The US is not considered a Christian nation; at least that's what you on the left keep telling us. We have a lot of Christians in the US, but that in itself does not make us a Christian nation.

Muslims kill people for their religion. Christians kill people for their country and freedom.

Yes, there are checks to try and stop people killing each other when under the influence of alcohol, but still people kill. When people apply for visas in the US, they undergo checks too. In fact a lot of people do get rejected. Someone I used to work with, his girlfriend is Russian and can't even get a tourist visa for the US even with a letter from the guy's senator.
And she's just a normal female Russian.

But the point is you don't stop people from drinking, you don't stop people from owning guns, so why stop Muslims coming into the US?

Muslims kill for their religion. However many see Islam as their nation. So a Christian killing for their country, and a Muslim killing for their religion isn't different at all.

Personally someone who signed up to go to Iraq went there to do the bidding of oil companies and the rich. Is this a better reason to go kill people than those who kill over a religion? They're both ridiculous reasons to kill. They're both wrong.

The question here is, is Islam the enemy or not? The US hasn't officially made Islam the enemy, many Americans are Muslims and Americans at the same time. Making Islam the enemy would cause major problems, however the right has taken the decision to try and vilify Islam at every single opportunity.

What you're talking about is mindless nationalism. Getting people to believe something for their own political goals.

If you look at Israel you'll see a microcosm of the whole situation. A place where the right on both sides manage to use the conflict to further their own political goals. The same is said for radical Islam and the right in the US. Radical Islam wants war, it wants killing, it wants suffering because then it can point the finger at the US and get more support. The right wants war, it wants killing, it wants suffering so it can point the finger at Islam and make people fear, make people angry and make people more likely to vote Republican.

WTF are you even talking about? You're saying that going to war for your country is the same as brainwashed rag heads that want to kill because of their religion? Are you insane?

They are totally different. For one, an act of war is where militaries battle to overthrow the other. Terrorism is the act of attacking innocents who least suspect it and totally unprepared. Military adheres to the Geneva Convention while terrorists put people in cages and light them on fire. They are not the same. One kills because of some words written in a book and the other kills to preserve their nation.

We don't have problems with people from Russia coming here and committing acts of terror. That's why you do need two sets of rules for granting immigrants legal status to be here. Even our FBI stated there is no way to vet all these Syrian refugees. But DumBama wants to open the door and let them all in supposedly for humanitarian reasons when his real goal is to make whites a minority in this country as quickly as possible.

Here is the problem: we on the right think that being in this country, working in this country, or even becoming a citizen in this country is a privilege. You on the left think it's a right of some sort. It's not a right and they don't have any right to be here. If they are here, it's because they are illegal or they were given our blessing to be here.

No, I'm not insane. It's the same. Either way you've been convinced to fight for something you feel is a part of you. What's different about it? One is a country, the other a religion. If you understood Islam you'd see that people see Islam as a nation anyway.

Terrorism exists because it's a way to win without having to confront a large army. The US has the most superior army, the British used to have. Jihad came back to deal with the problems of fighting a superior force, and the superior force LOST.

Terrorism exists because large countries like the US think they can steamroller smaller countries and take over. Terrorism is a reminder that there are consequences to actions.

If terrorism won, why are we not a nation of Islam? After all, that's what they are really attacking us (and others around the world) for. So far, nobody gave into them.

Their plan is not to attack overpowering militaries. Their plan is to sneak their people into our countries until they become a majority, and then takeover that way. In the meantime, while their minorities are in these countries, they will promote their idiotic religion to get as many natural born citizens to join them. They do it through propaganda, demanding rights, and yes, terrorism.

Don't believe me, just read some of the news stories around the country about these people: demanding they be photographed for their drivers licenses with a burka or other head covering on. Refusing to do their job because it consists of scanning pork items across the scanner to checkout at grocery stores. Even one story I read about where Muslim truck drivers sued their company because they refused to deliver a trailer full of alcohol and got fired. They won too! Cab drivers in NYC refusing to pickup passengers who have a dog with them; even ones who have that dog to see with. The stories go on and on.

Several years ago we had a story here in the Cleveland area about a murder. These two clowns murdered their cousin because she promised herself to an American. In their religion, that was a disgrace to their family. She was promised (at birth) to be the bride of one of her cousins, but was Americanized since she came here at a young age and decided she didn't want to screw her own cousin and have a family. Both brothers got away with murder.

You on the left refuse to see the man behind the curtain. These are very patient people. If left to leftists, they will overtake this country. They are doing so with the blessing of the Democrat party too!

As the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for, because it just may come true.

 

[jasonnfree]

Why is that a point? What difference does it make the actual motivation behind it all? That there is motivation, that they've shown themselves to be violent, surely that's the point. Does the US want to stop violence? Seemingly not. This isn't about violence, it isn't about killing. It's about making an enemy they can get people behind, get people angry about, get people united together and they don't how it happens, as long as it exists. And they've been working on Islam being that enemy for a long time now.

Okay, some Muslims go to the US and kill, but most don't. In right wing terms this is when you say "not everyone should be to blame for the minority", because the right will say this every time someone shoots and kills someone. But somehow consistency.doesn't seem to exist in most of politics, does it?

So, if someone kills because of alcohol, you're going to ban alcohol? No. If someone kills because they have guns and can use them, you're going to ban guns? No. And yet you'd ban Muslims even though most Muslims have never done anything.....

Yes.......well we do have sobriety check points to help stop drunks from killing people. We hold establishments responsible that serve alcohol to patrons that had too much to drink. We do have hundreds of gun laws to try to prevent criminals from getting and using guns. If we allowed felons to own and use firearms, probably only a small percentage of them would actually use guns to kill or rob other people, but that's no reason to stop all felons from having firearms, is it?

The US is not considered a Christian nation; at least that's what you on the left keep telling us. We have a lot of Christians in the US, but that in itself does not make us a Christian nation.

Muslims kill people for their religion. Christians kill people for their country and freedom.

Yes, there are checks to try and stop people killing each other when under the influence of alcohol, but still people kill. When people apply for visas in the US, they undergo checks too. In fact a lot of people do get rejected. Someone I used to work with, his girlfriend is Russian and can't even get a tourist visa for the US even with a letter from the guy's senator.
And she's just a normal female Russian.

But the point is you don't stop people from drinking, you don't stop people from owning guns, so why stop Muslims coming into the US?

Muslims kill for their religion. However many see Islam as their nation. So a Christian killing for their country, and a Muslim killing for their religion isn't different at all.

Personally someone who signed up to go to Iraq went there to do the bidding of oil companies and the rich. Is this a better reason to go kill people than those who kill over a religion? They're both ridiculous reasons to kill. They're both wrong.

The question here is, is Islam the enemy or not? The US hasn't officially made Islam the enemy, many Americans are Muslims and Americans at the same time. Making Islam the enemy would cause major problems, however the right has taken the decision to try and vilify Islam at every single opportunity.

What you're talking about is mindless nationalism. Getting people to believe something for their own political goals.

If you look at Israel you'll see a microcosm of the whole situation. A place where the right on both sides manage to use the conflict to further their own political goals. The same is said for radical Islam and the right in the US. Radical Islam wants war, it wants killing, it wants suffering because then it can point the finger at the US and get more support. The right wants war, it wants killing, it wants suffering so it can point the finger at Islam and make people fear, make people angry and make people more likely to vote Republican.

WTF are you even talking about? You're saying that going to war for your country is the same as brainwashed rag heads that want to kill because of their religion? Are you insane?

They are totally different. For one, an act of war is where militaries battle to overthrow the other. Terrorism is the act of attacking innocents who least suspect it and totally unprepared. Military adheres to the Geneva Convention while terrorists put people in cages and light them on fire. They are not the same. One kills because of some words written in a book and the other kills to preserve their nation.

We don't have problems with people from Russia coming here and committing acts of terror. That's why you do need two sets of rules for granting immigrants legal status to be here. Even our FBI stated there is no way to vet all these Syrian refugees. But DumBama wants to open the door and let them all in supposedly for humanitarian reasons when his real goal is to make whites a minority in this country as quickly as possible.

Here is the problem: we on the right think that being in this country, working in this country, or even becoming a citizen in this country is a privilege. You on the left think it's a right of some sort. It's not a right and they don't have any right to be here. If they are here, it's because they are illegal or they were given our blessing to be here.

No, I'm not insane. It's the same. Either way you've been convinced to fight for something you feel is a part of you. What's different about it? One is a country, the other a religion. If you understood Islam you'd see that people see Islam as a nation anyway.

Terrorism exists because it's a way to win without having to confront a large army. The US has the most superior army, the British used to have. Jihad came back to deal with the problems of fighting a superior force, and the superior force LOST.

Terrorism exists because large countries like the US think they can steamroller smaller countries and take over. Terrorism is a reminder that there are consequences to actions.

If terrorism won, why are we not a nation of Islam? After all, that's what they are really attacking us (and others around the world) for. So far, nobody gave into them.

Their plan is not to attack overpowering militaries. Their plan is to sneak their people into our countries until they become a majority, and then takeover that way. In the meantime, while their minorities are in these countries, they will promote their idiotic religion to get as many natural born citizens to join them. They do it through propaganda, demanding rights, and yes, terrorism.

Don't believe me, just read some of the news stories around the country about these people: demanding they be photographed for their drivers licenses with a burka or other head covering on. Refusing to do their job because it consists of scanning pork items across the scanner to checkout at grocery stores. Even one story I read about where Muslim truck drivers sued their company because they refused to deliver a trailer full of alcohol and got fired. They won too! Cab drivers in NYC refusing to pickup passengers who have a dog with them; even ones who have that dog to see with. The stories go on and on.

Several years ago we had a story here in the Cleveland area about a murder. These two clowns murdered their cousin because she promised herself to an American. In their religion, that was a disgrace to their family. She was promised (at birth) to be the bride of one of her cousins, but was Americanized since she came here at a young age and decided she didn't want to screw her own cousin and have a family. Both brothers got away with murder.

You on the left refuse to see the man behind the curtain. These are very patient people. If left to leftists, they will overtake this country. They are doing so with the blessing of the Democrat party too!

As the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for, because it just may come true.

Islam and it's beliefs is antithetical to America's beliefs. They are strictly into world domination since their beginnings, and tolerate no other religions as per sura 929. We've actually been at war with them since at least Jefferson's time when he sent Marines to Tripoli to kick muslim ass for robbing American ships and holding crews hostage. This of course doesn't stop people on this board saying that we're just as bad, or worse, than muslims. Muhammed and the devil thanks these useful idiots.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yes.......well we do have sobriety check points to help stop drunks from killing people. We hold establishments responsible that serve alcohol to patrons that had too much to drink. We do have hundreds of gun laws to try to prevent criminals from getting and using guns. If we allowed felons to own and use firearms, probably only a small percentage of them would actually use guns to kill or rob other people, but that's no reason to stop all felons from having firearms, is it?

The US is not considered a Christian nation; at least that's what you on the left keep telling us. We have a lot of Christians in the US, but that in itself does not make us a Christian nation.

Muslims kill people for their religion. Christians kill people for their country and freedom.

Yes, there are checks to try and stop people killing each other when under the influence of alcohol, but still people kill. When people apply for visas in the US, they undergo checks too. In fact a lot of people do get rejected. Someone I used to work with, his girlfriend is Russian and can't even get a tourist visa for the US even with a letter from the guy's senator.
And she's just a normal female Russian.

But the point is you don't stop people from drinking, you don't stop people from owning guns, so why stop Muslims coming into the US?

Muslims kill for their religion. However many see Islam as their nation. So a Christian killing for their country, and a Muslim killing for their religion isn't different at all.

Personally someone who signed up to go to Iraq went there to do the bidding of oil companies and the rich. Is this a better reason to go kill people than those who kill over a religion? They're both ridiculous reasons to kill. They're both wrong.

The question here is, is Islam the enemy or not? The US hasn't officially made Islam the enemy, many Americans are Muslims and Americans at the same time. Making Islam the enemy would cause major problems, however the right has taken the decision to try and vilify Islam at every single opportunity.

What you're talking about is mindless nationalism. Getting people to believe something for their own political goals.

If you look at Israel you'll see a microcosm of the whole situation. A place where the right on both sides manage to use the conflict to further their own political goals. The same is said for radical Islam and the right in the US. Radical Islam wants war, it wants killing, it wants suffering because then it can point the finger at the US and get more support. The right wants war, it wants killing, it wants suffering so it can point the finger at Islam and make people fear, make people angry and make people more likely to vote Republican.

WTF are you even talking about? You're saying that going to war for your country is the same as brainwashed rag heads that want to kill because of their religion? Are you insane?

They are totally different. For one, an act of war is where militaries battle to overthrow the other. Terrorism is the act of attacking innocents who least suspect it and totally unprepared. Military adheres to the Geneva Convention while terrorists put people in cages and light them on fire. They are not the same. One kills because of some words written in a book and the other kills to preserve their nation.

We don't have problems with people from Russia coming here and committing acts of terror. That's why you do need two sets of rules for granting immigrants legal status to be here. Even our FBI stated there is no way to vet all these Syrian refugees. But DumBama wants to open the door and let them all in supposedly for humanitarian reasons when his real goal is to make whites a minority in this country as quickly as possible.

Here is the problem: we on the right think that being in this country, working in this country, or even becoming a citizen in this country is a privilege. You on the left think it's a right of some sort. It's not a right and they don't have any right to be here. If they are here, it's because they are illegal or they were given our blessing to be here.

No, I'm not insane. It's the same. Either way you've been convinced to fight for something you feel is a part of you. What's different about it? One is a country, the other a religion. If you understood Islam you'd see that people see Islam as a nation anyway.

Terrorism exists because it's a way to win without having to confront a large army. The US has the most superior army, the British used to have. Jihad came back to deal with the problems of fighting a superior force, and the superior force LOST.

Terrorism exists because large countries like the US think they can steamroller smaller countries and take over. Terrorism is a reminder that there are consequences to actions.

If terrorism won, why are we not a nation of Islam? After all, that's what they are really attacking us (and others around the world) for. So far, nobody gave into them.

Their plan is not to attack overpowering militaries. Their plan is to sneak their people into our countries until they become a majority, and then takeover that way. In the meantime, while their minorities are in these countries, they will promote their idiotic religion to get as many natural born citizens to join them. They do it through propaganda, demanding rights, and yes, terrorism.

Don't believe me, just read some of the news stories around the country about these people: demanding they be photographed for their drivers licenses with a burka or other head covering on. Refusing to do their job because it consists of scanning pork items across the scanner to checkout at grocery stores. Even one story I read about where Muslim truck drivers sued their company because they refused to deliver a trailer full of alcohol and got fired. They won too! Cab drivers in NYC refusing to pickup passengers who have a dog with them; even ones who have that dog to see with. The stories go on and on.

Several years ago we had a story here in the Cleveland area about a murder. These two clowns murdered their cousin because she promised herself to an American. In their religion, that was a disgrace to their family. She was promised (at birth) to be the bride of one of her cousins, but was Americanized since she came here at a young age and decided she didn't want to screw her own cousin and have a family. Both brothers got away with murder.

You on the left refuse to see the man behind the curtain. These are very patient people. If left to leftists, they will overtake this country. They are doing so with the blessing of the Democrat party too!

As the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for, because it just may come true.

Islam and it's beliefs is antithetical to America's beliefs. They are strictly into world domination since their beginnings, and tolerate no other religions as per sura 929. We've actually been at war with them since at least Jefferson's time when he sent Marines to Tripoli to kick muslim ass for robbing American ships and holding crews hostage. This of course doesn't stop people on this board saying that we're just as bad, or worse, than muslims. Muhammed and the devil thanks these useful idiots.

Leftists are under this belief that if we just leave them alone, they will leave us alone. But that doesn't explain their actions across the world.

They also believe that our war with terrorism began with Bush--forgetting the first terrorist attack on the WTC under Clinton that failed, but killed just a few Americans. They said they would be back, and they came back long before our invasion of Iraq.

It's Bush's fault.....It's Bush's fault. Yet Bush was able to stop any further attacks on Americans by intercepting communications and capturing terrorists, interrogating them, and learn about their future plots. Bush also famously said that if we fight them over there--it's better than fighting them here.

Obama reversed all that. He thought it better to fight them here than there. He announced his intentions of weakening our interrogation process. He stopped capturing terrorists, and instead, just droned them to death where they went to their graves with the plans they had against us. He released many of them back to their organizations where they are plotting more attacks against us. His intent? Close down Gitmo.

 

[rdean]

Trump hasn't taken office yet, but already his picks are showing what his main policy is. To make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

In charge of education he wants DeVos who is a strong advocate for school vouchers. Vouchers are basically a ways of giving money to rich parents who can already send their kids to private school. So now they get money off their private school, and it won't do anything for most kids in the US.

Tom Price, who Trump will nominate to be in charge of Health, has sent through the last 3 Congresses a bill which would see people get reduced insurance bills, unless of course you have a problem in which case Price doesn't give a fuck about you and you'll have such a large insurance bill that you'll essentially die, unless of course you're rich.

Trump said he was having a revolution, that he was an outsider. So his pick for Treasury is a banker. The very people who caused all the problems that people could have supposed that a change, a revolution, would do away with. And he will essentially be carry out tax cuts for the wealthy.

For Attorney General there is Jeff Sessions. A guy who voted against a bill to prevent cruel, inhumane, or degrading punishment under the control of the US govt. He has a zero rating from the Human Rights Campaign. Well we know Trump has no idea about Human Rights, so to pick someone who doesn't give a damn about them or the Constitution is telling.

Basically the rich will get richer, and the poor are stuffed. The President won't represent anyone who isn't in the top 10%.

That's always been GOP policy. What changed?

 

[rdean]

Yes, there are checks to try and stop people killing each other when under the influence of alcohol, but still people kill. When people apply for visas in the US, they undergo checks too. In fact a lot of people do get rejected. Someone I used to work with, his girlfriend is Russian and can't even get a tourist visa for the US even with a letter from the guy's senator.
And she's just a normal female Russian.

But the point is you don't stop people from drinking, you don't stop people from owning guns, so why stop Muslims coming into the US?

Muslims kill for their religion. However many see Islam as their nation. So a Christian killing for their country, and a Muslim killing for their religion isn't different at all.

Personally someone who signed up to go to Iraq went there to do the bidding of oil companies and the rich. Is this a better reason to go kill people than those who kill over a religion? They're both ridiculous reasons to kill. They're both wrong.

The question here is, is Islam the enemy or not? The US hasn't officially made Islam the enemy, many Americans are Muslims and Americans at the same time. Making Islam the enemy would cause major problems, however the right has taken the decision to try and vilify Islam at every single opportunity.

What you're talking about is mindless nationalism. Getting people to believe something for their own political goals.

If you look at Israel you'll see a microcosm of the whole situation. A place where the right on both sides manage to use the conflict to further their own political goals. The same is said for radical Islam and the right in the US. Radical Islam wants war, it wants killing, it wants suffering because then it can point the finger at the US and get more support. The right wants war, it wants killing, it wants suffering so it can point the finger at Islam and make people fear, make people angry and make people more likely to vote Republican.

WTF are you even talking about? You're saying that going to war for your country is the same as brainwashed rag heads that want to kill because of their religion? Are you insane?

They are totally different. For one, an act of war is where militaries battle to overthrow the other. Terrorism is the act of attacking innocents who least suspect it and totally unprepared. Military adheres to the Geneva Convention while terrorists put people in cages and light them on fire. They are not the same. One kills because of some words written in a book and the other kills to preserve their nation.

We don't have problems with people from Russia coming here and committing acts of terror. That's why you do need two sets of rules for granting immigrants legal status to be here. Even our FBI stated there is no way to vet all these Syrian refugees. But DumBama wants to open the door and let them all in supposedly for humanitarian reasons when his real goal is to make whites a minority in this country as quickly as possible.

Here is the problem: we on the right think that being in this country, working in this country, or even becoming a citizen in this country is a privilege. You on the left think it's a right of some sort. It's not a right and they don't have any right to be here. If they are here, it's because they are illegal or they were given our blessing to be here.

No, I'm not insane. It's the same. Either way you've been convinced to fight for something you feel is a part of you. What's different about it? One is a country, the other a religion. If you understood Islam you'd see that people see Islam as a nation anyway.

Terrorism exists because it's a way to win without having to confront a large army. The US has the most superior army, the British used to have. Jihad came back to deal with the problems of fighting a superior force, and the superior force LOST.

Terrorism exists because large countries like the US think they can steamroller smaller countries and take over. Terrorism is a reminder that there are consequences to actions.

If terrorism won, why are we not a nation of Islam? After all, that's what they are really attacking us (and others around the world) for. So far, nobody gave into them.

Their plan is not to attack overpowering militaries. Their plan is to sneak their people into our countries until they become a majority, and then takeover that way. In the meantime, while their minorities are in these countries, they will promote their idiotic religion to get as many natural born citizens to join them. They do it through propaganda, demanding rights, and yes, terrorism.

Don't believe me, just read some of the news stories around the country about these people: demanding they be photographed for their drivers licenses with a burka or other head covering on. Refusing to do their job because it consists of scanning pork items across the scanner to checkout at grocery stores. Even one story I read about where Muslim truck drivers sued their company because they refused to deliver a trailer full of alcohol and got fired. They won too! Cab drivers in NYC refusing to pickup passengers who have a dog with them; even ones who have that dog to see with. The stories go on and on.

Several years ago we had a story here in the Cleveland area about a murder. These two clowns murdered their cousin because she promised herself to an American. In their religion, that was a disgrace to their family. She was promised (at birth) to be the bride of one of her cousins, but was Americanized since she came here at a young age and decided she didn't want to screw her own cousin and have a family. Both brothers got away with murder.

You on the left refuse to see the man behind the curtain. These are very patient people. If left to leftists, they will overtake this country. They are doing so with the blessing of the Democrat party too!

As the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for, because it just may come true.

Islam and it's beliefs is antithetical to America's beliefs. They are strictly into world domination since their beginnings, and tolerate no other religions as per sura 929. We've actually been at war with them since at least Jefferson's time when he sent Marines to Tripoli to kick muslim ass for robbing American ships and holding crews hostage. This of course doesn't stop people on this board saying that we're just as bad, or worse, than muslims. Muhammed and the devil thanks these useful idiots.

Leftists are under this belief that if we just leave them alone, they will leave us alone. But that doesn't explain their actions across the world.

They also believe that our war with terrorism began with Bush--forgetting the first terrorist attack on the WTC under Clinton that failed, but killed just a few Americans. They said they would be back, and they came back long before our invasion of Iraq.

It's Bush's fault.....It's Bush's fault. Yet Bush was able to stop any further attacks on Americans by intercepting communications and capturing terrorists, interrogating them, and learn about their future plots. Bush also famously said that if we fight them over there--it's better than fighting them here.

Obama reversed all that. He thought it better to fight them here than there. He announced his intentions of weakening our interrogation process. He stopped capturing terrorists, and instead, just droned them to death where they went to their graves with the plans they had against us. He released many of them back to their organizations where they are plotting more attacks against us. His intent? Close down Gitmo.

You are living in some bizarre fantasy that all these disconnected cells are somehow organized. You just imagine. You have no links, no proof. Nothing. If you worked that hard on getting a job, you would be employed.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Why is that a point? What difference does it make the actual motivation behind it all? That there is motivation, that they've shown themselves to be violent, surely that's the point. Does the US want to stop violence? Seemingly not. This isn't about violence, it isn't about killing. It's about making an enemy they can get people behind, get people angry about, get people united together and they don't how it happens, as long as it exists. And they've been working on Islam being that enemy for a long time now.

Okay, some Muslims go to the US and kill, but most don't. In right wing terms this is when you say "not everyone should be to blame for the minority", because the right will say this every time someone shoots and kills someone. But somehow consistency.doesn't seem to exist in most of politics, does it?

So, if someone kills because of alcohol, you're going to ban alcohol? No. If someone kills because they have guns and can use them, you're going to ban guns? No. And yet you'd ban Muslims even though most Muslims have never done anything.....

Yes.......well we do have sobriety check points to help stop drunks from killing people. We hold establishments responsible that serve alcohol to patrons that had too much to drink. We do have hundreds of gun laws to try to prevent criminals from getting and using guns. If we allowed felons to own and use firearms, probably only a small percentage of them would actually use guns to kill or rob other people, but that's no reason to stop all felons from having firearms, is it?

The US is not considered a Christian nation; at least that's what you on the left keep telling us. We have a lot of Christians in the US, but that in itself does not make us a Christian nation.

Muslims kill people for their religion. Christians kill people for their country and freedom.

Yes, there are checks to try and stop people killing each other when under the influence of alcohol, but still people kill. When people apply for visas in the US, they undergo checks too. In fact a lot of people do get rejected. Someone I used to work with, his girlfriend is Russian and can't even get a tourist visa for the US even with a letter from the guy's senator.
And she's just a normal female Russian.

But the point is you don't stop people from drinking, you don't stop people from owning guns, so why stop Muslims coming into the US?

Muslims kill for their religion. However many see Islam as their nation. So a Christian killing for their country, and a Muslim killing for their religion isn't different at all.

Personally someone who signed up to go to Iraq went there to do the bidding of oil companies and the rich. Is this a better reason to go kill people than those who kill over a religion? They're both ridiculous reasons to kill. They're both wrong.

The question here is, is Islam the enemy or not? The US hasn't officially made Islam the enemy, many Americans are Muslims and Americans at the same time. Making Islam the enemy would cause major problems, however the right has taken the decision to try and vilify Islam at every single opportunity.

What you're talking about is mindless nationalism. Getting people to believe something for their own political goals.

If you look at Israel you'll see a microcosm of the whole situation. A place where the right on both sides manage to use the conflict to further their own political goals. The same is said for radical Islam and the right in the US. Radical Islam wants war, it wants killing, it wants suffering because then it can point the finger at the US and get more support. The right wants war, it wants killing, it wants suffering so it can point the finger at Islam and make people fear, make people angry and make people more likely to vote Republican.

WTF are you even talking about? You're saying that going to war for your country is the same as brainwashed rag heads that want to kill because of their religion? Are you insane?

They are totally different. For one, an act of war is where militaries battle to overthrow the other. Terrorism is the act of attacking innocents who least suspect it and totally unprepared. Military adheres to the Geneva Convention while terrorists put people in cages and light them on fire. They are not the same. One kills because of some words written in a book and the other kills to preserve their nation.

We don't have problems with people from Russia coming here and committing acts of terror. That's why you do need two sets of rules for granting immigrants legal status to be here. Even our FBI stated there is no way to vet all these Syrian refugees. But DumBama wants to open the door and let them all in supposedly for humanitarian reasons when his real goal is to make whites a minority in this country as quickly as possible.

Here is the problem: we on the right think that being in this country, working in this country, or even becoming a citizen in this country is a privilege. You on the left think it's a right of some sort. It's not a right and they don't have any right to be here. If they are here, it's because they are illegal or they were given our blessing to be here.

No, I'm not insane. It's the same. Either way you've been convinced to fight for something you feel is a part of you. What's different about it? One is a country, the other a religion. If you understood Islam you'd see that people see Islam as a nation anyway.

Terrorism exists because it's a way to win without having to confront a large army. The US has the most superior army, the British used to have. Jihad came back to deal with the problems of fighting a superior force, and the superior force LOST.

Terrorism exists because large countries like the US think they can steamroller smaller countries and take over. Terrorism is a reminder that there are consequences to actions.

If terrorism won, why are we not a nation of Islam? After all, that's what they are really attacking us (and others around the world) for. So far, nobody gave into them.

Their plan is not to attack overpowering militaries. Their plan is to sneak their people into our countries until they become a majority, and then takeover that way. In the meantime, while their minorities are in these countries, they will promote their idiotic religion to get as many natural born citizens to join them. They do it through propaganda, demanding rights, and yes, terrorism.

Don't believe me, just read some of the news stories around the country about these people: demanding they be photographed for their drivers licenses with a burka or other head covering on. Refusing to do their job because it consists of scanning pork items across the scanner to checkout at grocery stores. Even one story I read about where Muslim truck drivers sued their company because they refused to deliver a trailer full of alcohol and got fired. They won too! Cab drivers in NYC refusing to pickup passengers who have a dog with them; even ones who have that dog to see with. The stories go on and on.

Several years ago we had a story here in the Cleveland area about a murder. These two clowns murdered their cousin because she promised herself to an American. In their religion, that was a disgrace to their family. She was promised (at birth) to be the bride of one of her cousins, but was Americanized since she came here at a young age and decided she didn't want to screw her own cousin and have a family. Both brothers got away with murder.

You on the left refuse to see the man behind the curtain. These are very patient people. If left to leftists, they will overtake this country. They are doing so with the blessing of the Democrat party too!

As the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for, because it just may come true.

Winning takes on many different guises. In Afghanistan winning was kicking the British out, then the British out again, then the Soviets out and the current situation is one of stalemate so far, the future no one knows.

Generally people resort to terrorism because they're not strong enough to fight on the battlefield face to face. It's not logical to fight face to face when defeat is certain, so you resort to guerrilla tactics. Of course a country like the US, strong and powerful want to play by the traditional rules because these rules benefit the USA. So anyone who uses other "rules" or doesn't follow the rules the US wants, is then labelled as something negative.

You say their plan is to sneak into other people's countries and take over. Is it? Do you have any evidence of this? The reality is that those people who have become terrorists but are from the country they attacked, are generally people who have become angry with their life and found fertile ground in Islamic Terrorism because of the anger from the Iraq War especially

Bush made MORE terrorist, he made more problems. He didn't create it out of nothing, it's been a part of US foreign policy for a long, long time, the green eyed monster eyeing up the oil in a region that struggled through industrialization for a lack of resources, suddenly finding itself having something the west needed in abundance.

You're reading stories in the press. The same press that the right has been criticizing for being as biased as hell huh? Oh, well now all of a sudden it's all true, and the bias is okay because you want this bias. That's not me saying there aren't problems with integration. I'm not demanding mass immigration. What I'm saying is you treat people as individuals, not labeling all Muslims as potential terrorists but not all Christians.

You say I refuse to see the truth? No, I always look for the truth.

What I see is the right picking and choosing to see what it wants to see and ignoring a lot everything else. Then having the nerve to tell me that I'm not seeing the truth.



Bush was able to stop further attacks? Really? How many attacks has the US and Europe suffered since? Sure, they haven't been major attacks, but there have been attacks.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yes.......well we do have sobriety check points to help stop drunks from killing people. We hold establishments responsible that serve alcohol to patrons that had too much to drink. We do have hundreds of gun laws to try to prevent criminals from getting and using guns. If we allowed felons to own and use firearms, probably only a small percentage of them would actually use guns to kill or rob other people, but that's no reason to stop all felons from having firearms, is it?

The US is not considered a Christian nation; at least that's what you on the left keep telling us. We have a lot of Christians in the US, but that in itself does not make us a Christian nation.

Muslims kill people for their religion. Christians kill people for their country and freedom.

Yes, there are checks to try and stop people killing each other when under the influence of alcohol, but still people kill. When people apply for visas in the US, they undergo checks too. In fact a lot of people do get rejected. Someone I used to work with, his girlfriend is Russian and can't even get a tourist visa for the US even with a letter from the guy's senator.
And she's just a normal female Russian.

But the point is you don't stop people from drinking, you don't stop people from owning guns, so why stop Muslims coming into the US?

Muslims kill for their religion. However many see Islam as their nation. So a Christian killing for their country, and a Muslim killing for their religion isn't different at all.

Personally someone who signed up to go to Iraq went there to do the bidding of oil companies and the rich. Is this a better reason to go kill people than those who kill over a religion? They're both ridiculous reasons to kill. They're both wrong.

The question here is, is Islam the enemy or not? The US hasn't officially made Islam the enemy, many Americans are Muslims and Americans at the same time. Making Islam the enemy would cause major problems, however the right has taken the decision to try and vilify Islam at every single opportunity.

What you're talking about is mindless nationalism. Getting people to believe something for their own political goals.

If you look at Israel you'll see a microcosm of the whole situation. A place where the right on both sides manage to use the conflict to further their own political goals. The same is said for radical Islam and the right in the US. Radical Islam wants war, it wants killing, it wants suffering because then it can point the finger at the US and get more support. The right wants war, it wants killing, it wants suffering so it can point the finger at Islam and make people fear, make people angry and make people more likely to vote Republican.

WTF are you even talking about? You're saying that going to war for your country is the same as brainwashed rag heads that want to kill because of their religion? Are you insane?

They are totally different. For one, an act of war is where militaries battle to overthrow the other. Terrorism is the act of attacking innocents who least suspect it and totally unprepared. Military adheres to the Geneva Convention while terrorists put people in cages and light them on fire. They are not the same. One kills because of some words written in a book and the other kills to preserve their nation.

We don't have problems with people from Russia coming here and committing acts of terror. That's why you do need two sets of rules for granting immigrants legal status to be here. Even our FBI stated there is no way to vet all these Syrian refugees. But DumBama wants to open the door and let them all in supposedly for humanitarian reasons when his real goal is to make whites a minority in this country as quickly as possible.

Here is the problem: we on the right think that being in this country, working in this country, or even becoming a citizen in this country is a privilege. You on the left think it's a right of some sort. It's not a right and they don't have any right to be here. If they are here, it's because they are illegal or they were given our blessing to be here.

No, I'm not insane. It's the same. Either way you've been convinced to fight for something you feel is a part of you. What's different about it? One is a country, the other a religion. If you understood Islam you'd see that people see Islam as a nation anyway.

Terrorism exists because it's a way to win without having to confront a large army. The US has the most superior army, the British used to have. Jihad came back to deal with the problems of fighting a superior force, and the superior force LOST.

Terrorism exists because large countries like the US think they can steamroller smaller countries and take over. Terrorism is a reminder that there are consequences to actions.

If terrorism won, why are we not a nation of Islam? After all, that's what they are really attacking us (and others around the world) for. So far, nobody gave into them.

Their plan is not to attack overpowering militaries. Their plan is to sneak their people into our countries until they become a majority, and then takeover that way. In the meantime, while their minorities are in these countries, they will promote their idiotic religion to get as many natural born citizens to join them. They do it through propaganda, demanding rights, and yes, terrorism.

Don't believe me, just read some of the news stories around the country about these people: demanding they be photographed for their drivers licenses with a burka or other head covering on. Refusing to do their job because it consists of scanning pork items across the scanner to checkout at grocery stores. Even one story I read about where Muslim truck drivers sued their company because they refused to deliver a trailer full of alcohol and got fired. They won too! Cab drivers in NYC refusing to pickup passengers who have a dog with them; even ones who have that dog to see with. The stories go on and on.

Several years ago we had a story here in the Cleveland area about a murder. These two clowns murdered their cousin because she promised herself to an American. In their religion, that was a disgrace to their family. She was promised (at birth) to be the bride of one of her cousins, but was Americanized since she came here at a young age and decided she didn't want to screw her own cousin and have a family. Both brothers got away with murder.

You on the left refuse to see the man behind the curtain. These are very patient people. If left to leftists, they will overtake this country. They are doing so with the blessing of the Democrat party too!

As the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for, because it just may come true.

Islam and it's beliefs is antithetical to America's beliefs. They are strictly into world domination since their beginnings, and tolerate no other religions as per sura 929. We've actually been at war with them since at least Jefferson's time when he sent Marines to Tripoli to kick muslim ass for robbing American ships and holding crews hostage. This of course doesn't stop people on this board saying that we're just as bad, or worse, than muslims. Muhammed and the devil thanks these useful idiots.

What are "American beliefs"?

I mean, 50% of voters more or less voted for Trump, a guy who said flag burners should be locked up then have their citizenship taken away from them. A guy who got elected insulting people.

The US is a country where invading and bombing seem to be a way of life.

So please, tell me what are "American beliefs".

 

[frigidweirdo]

Trump hasn't taken office yet, but already his picks are showing what his main policy is. To make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

In charge of education he wants DeVos who is a strong advocate for school vouchers. Vouchers are basically a ways of giving money to rich parents who can already send their kids to private school. So now they get money off their private school, and it won't do anything for most kids in the US.

Tom Price, who Trump will nominate to be in charge of Health, has sent through the last 3 Congresses a bill which would see people get reduced insurance bills, unless of course you have a problem in which case Price doesn't give a fuck about you and you'll have such a large insurance bill that you'll essentially die, unless of course you're rich.

Trump said he was having a revolution, that he was an outsider. So his pick for Treasury is a banker. The very people who caused all the problems that people could have supposed that a change, a revolution, would do away with. And he will essentially be carry out tax cuts for the wealthy.

For Attorney General there is Jeff Sessions. A guy who voted against a bill to prevent cruel, inhumane, or degrading punishment under the control of the US govt. He has a zero rating from the Human Rights Campaign. Well we know Trump has no idea about Human Rights, so to pick someone who doesn't give a damn about them or the Constitution is telling.

Basically the rich will get richer, and the poor are stuffed. The President won't represent anyone who isn't in the top 10%.

That's always been GOP policy. What changed?

Not much. He's appointing Republicans to all his positions, people with strong right wing views. He said he was offering change, he's offering change from Obama, but not from Republican ideology. He basically lied. He said it was something special. Rubbish.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Trump hasn't taken office yet, but already his picks are showing what his main policy is. To make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

In charge of education he wants DeVos who is a strong advocate for school vouchers. Vouchers are basically a ways of giving money to rich parents who can already send their kids to private school. So now they get money off their private school, and it won't do anything for most kids in the US.

Tom Price, who Trump will nominate to be in charge of Health, has sent through the last 3 Congresses a bill which would see people get reduced insurance bills, unless of course you have a problem in which case Price doesn't give a fuck about you and you'll have such a large insurance bill that you'll essentially die, unless of course you're rich.

Trump said he was having a revolution, that he was an outsider. So his pick for Treasury is a banker. The very people who caused all the problems that people could have supposed that a change, a revolution, would do away with. And he will essentially be carry out tax cuts for the wealthy.

For Attorney General there is Jeff Sessions. A guy who voted against a bill to prevent cruel, inhumane, or degrading punishment under the control of the US govt. He has a zero rating from the Human Rights Campaign. Well we know Trump has no idea about Human Rights, so to pick someone who doesn't give a damn about them or the Constitution is telling.

Basically the rich will get richer, and the poor are stuffed. The President won't represent anyone who isn't in the top 10%.

That's always been GOP policy. What changed?

Not much. He's appointing Republicans to all his positions, people with strong right wing views. He said he was offering change, he's offering change from Obama, but not from Republican ideology. He basically lied. He said it was something special. Rubbish.

I don't know about that. From what I've been hearing and reading, the right is pretty happy with his choices so far. Some anti-trumpets are even having a change of heart about his leadership. They are quite impressed.

So who's unhappy about his choices? The left, so it must be a good thing.

 

[owebo]

Trump hasn't taken office yet, but already his picks are showing what his main policy is. To make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

In charge of education he wants DeVos who is a strong advocate for school vouchers. Vouchers are basically a ways of giving money to rich parents who can already send their kids to private school. So now they get money off their private school, and it won't do anything for most kids in the US.

Tom Price, who Trump will nominate to be in charge of Health, has sent through the last 3 Congresses a bill which would see people get reduced insurance bills, unless of course you have a problem in which case Price doesn't give a fuck about you and you'll have such a large insurance bill that you'll essentially die, unless of course you're rich.

Trump said he was having a revolution, that he was an outsider. So his pick for Treasury is a banker. The very people who caused all the problems that people could have supposed that a change, a revolution, would do away with. And he will essentially be carry out tax cuts for the wealthy.

For Attorney General there is Jeff Sessions. A guy who voted against a bill to prevent cruel, inhumane, or degrading punishment under the control of the US govt. He has a zero rating from the Human Rights Campaign. Well we know Trump has no idea about Human Rights, so to pick someone who doesn't give a damn about them or the Constitution is telling.

Basically the rich will get richer, and the poor are stuffed. The President won't represent anyone who isn't in the top 10%.

That's always been GOP policy. What changed?

Your fake news tell you that?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yes.......well we do have sobriety check points to help stop drunks from killing people. We hold establishments responsible that serve alcohol to patrons that had too much to drink. We do have hundreds of gun laws to try to prevent criminals from getting and using guns. If we allowed felons to own and use firearms, probably only a small percentage of them would actually use guns to kill or rob other people, but that's no reason to stop all felons from having firearms, is it?

The US is not considered a Christian nation; at least that's what you on the left keep telling us. We have a lot of Christians in the US, but that in itself does not make us a Christian nation.

Muslims kill people for their religion. Christians kill people for their country and freedom.

Yes, there are checks to try and stop people killing each other when under the influence of alcohol, but still people kill. When people apply for visas in the US, they undergo checks too. In fact a lot of people do get rejected. Someone I used to work with, his girlfriend is Russian and can't even get a tourist visa for the US even with a letter from the guy's senator.
And she's just a normal female Russian.

But the point is you don't stop people from drinking, you don't stop people from owning guns, so why stop Muslims coming into the US?

Muslims kill for their religion. However many see Islam as their nation. So a Christian killing for their country, and a Muslim killing for their religion isn't different at all.

Personally someone who signed up to go to Iraq went there to do the bidding of oil companies and the rich. Is this a better reason to go kill people than those who kill over a religion? They're both ridiculous reasons to kill. They're both wrong.

The question here is, is Islam the enemy or not? The US hasn't officially made Islam the enemy, many Americans are Muslims and Americans at the same time. Making Islam the enemy would cause major problems, however the right has taken the decision to try and vilify Islam at every single opportunity.

What you're talking about is mindless nationalism. Getting people to believe something for their own political goals.

If you look at Israel you'll see a microcosm of the whole situation. A place where the right on both sides manage to use the conflict to further their own political goals. The same is said for radical Islam and the right in the US. Radical Islam wants war, it wants killing, it wants suffering because then it can point the finger at the US and get more support. The right wants war, it wants killing, it wants suffering so it can point the finger at Islam and make people fear, make people angry and make people more likely to vote Republican.

WTF are you even talking about? You're saying that going to war for your country is the same as brainwashed rag heads that want to kill because of their religion? Are you insane?

They are totally different. For one, an act of war is where militaries battle to overthrow the other. Terrorism is the act of attacking innocents who least suspect it and totally unprepared. Military adheres to the Geneva Convention while terrorists put people in cages and light them on fire. They are not the same. One kills because of some words written in a book and the other kills to preserve their nation.

We don't have problems with people from Russia coming here and committing acts of terror. That's why you do need two sets of rules for granting immigrants legal status to be here. Even our FBI stated there is no way to vet all these Syrian refugees. But DumBama wants to open the door and let them all in supposedly for humanitarian reasons when his real goal is to make whites a minority in this country as quickly as possible.

Here is the problem: we on the right think that being in this country, working in this country, or even becoming a citizen in this country is a privilege. You on the left think it's a right of some sort. It's not a right and they don't have any right to be here. If they are here, it's because they are illegal or they were given our blessing to be here.

No, I'm not insane. It's the same. Either way you've been convinced to fight for something you feel is a part of you. What's different about it? One is a country, the other a religion. If you understood Islam you'd see that people see Islam as a nation anyway.

Terrorism exists because it's a way to win without having to confront a large army. The US has the most superior army, the British used to have. Jihad came back to deal with the problems of fighting a superior force, and the superior force LOST.

Terrorism exists because large countries like the US think they can steamroller smaller countries and take over. Terrorism is a reminder that there are consequences to actions.

If terrorism won, why are we not a nation of Islam? After all, that's what they are really attacking us (and others around the world) for. So far, nobody gave into them.

Their plan is not to attack overpowering militaries. Their plan is to sneak their people into our countries until they become a majority, and then takeover that way. In the meantime, while their minorities are in these countries, they will promote their idiotic religion to get as many natural born citizens to join them. They do it through propaganda, demanding rights, and yes, terrorism.

Don't believe me, just read some of the news stories around the country about these people: demanding they be photographed for their drivers licenses with a burka or other head covering on. Refusing to do their job because it consists of scanning pork items across the scanner to checkout at grocery stores. Even one story I read about where Muslim truck drivers sued their company because they refused to deliver a trailer full of alcohol and got fired. They won too! Cab drivers in NYC refusing to pickup passengers who have a dog with them; even ones who have that dog to see with. The stories go on and on.

Several years ago we had a story here in the Cleveland area about a murder. These two clowns murdered their cousin because she promised herself to an American. In their religion, that was a disgrace to their family. She was promised (at birth) to be the bride of one of her cousins, but was Americanized since she came here at a young age and decided she didn't want to screw her own cousin and have a family. Both brothers got away with murder.

You on the left refuse to see the man behind the curtain. These are very patient people. If left to leftists, they will overtake this country. They are doing so with the blessing of the Democrat party too!

As the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for, because it just may come true.

Winning takes on many different guises. In Afghanistan winning was kicking the British out, then the British out again, then the Soviets out and the current situation is one of stalemate so far, the future no one knows.

Generally people resort to terrorism because they're not strong enough to fight on the battlefield face to face. It's not logical to fight face to face when defeat is certain, so you resort to guerrilla tactics. Of course a country like the US, strong and powerful want to play by the traditional rules because these rules benefit the USA. So anyone who uses other "rules" or doesn't follow the rules the US wants, is then labelled as something negative.

You say their plan is to sneak into other people's countries and take over. Is it? Do you have any evidence of this? The reality is that those people who have become terrorists but are from the country they attacked, are generally people who have become angry with their life and found fertile ground in Islamic Terrorism because of the anger from the Iraq War especially

Bush made MORE terrorist, he made more problems. He didn't create it out of nothing, it's been a part of US foreign policy for a long, long time, the green eyed monster eyeing up the oil in a region that struggled through industrialization for a lack of resources, suddenly finding itself having something the west needed in abundance.

You're reading stories in the press. The same press that the right has been criticizing for being as biased as hell huh? Oh, well now all of a sudden it's all true, and the bias is okay because you want this bias. That's not me saying there aren't problems with integration. I'm not demanding mass immigration. What I'm saying is you treat people as individuals, not labeling all Muslims as potential terrorists but not all Christians.

You say I refuse to see the truth? No, I always look for the truth.

What I see is the right picking and choosing to see what it wants to see and ignoring a lot everything else. Then having the nerve to tell me that I'm not seeing the truth.



Bush was able to stop further attacks? Really? How many attacks has the US and Europe suffered since? Sure, they haven't been major attacks, but there have been attacks.

Outside 911, what successful attacks were there the rest of the Bush's two terms? Now ask yourself how many DumBama has racked up? And you say you always look for the truth?

Was it just dumb luck or perhaps, could it be Bush did know what he was doing when it came to protecting our country? Tough thing for you to admit I understand.

Sorry history has proven you wrong repeatedly. The terrorists could care less about Iraq. Sure, some might say they are upset by it, but do you really think without Iraq, they wouldn't be terrorists at all? Iraq is just one of their dozens of beefs the US. And if Bush created all these terrorists because of our activity in the middle-east, why hasn't Obama with all his drone attacks?

Generally people resort to terrorism because they're not strong enough to fight on the battlefield face to face. It's not logical to fight face to face when defeat is certain, so you resort to guerrilla tactics. Of course a country like the US, strong and powerful want to play by the traditional rules because these rules benefit the USA. So anyone who uses other "rules" or doesn't follow the rules the US wants, is then labelled as something negative.

Uh.........yeah, I would say terrorism is something negative. Take the US out of the mix, and tell me what military the terrorist can fight? Nobody. They won't fight us face to face because they are cowards. They attack innocent people who are unarmed and unprepared for such attacks. They hide among their women and children so they too get killed in any of our retaliations. Like Democrats, they are hypocrites. All this talk about 72 virgins, and they do whatever they can to avoid meeting them. After all, we'll be happy to send them all to their holy land if that's what they think.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

WTF are you even talking about? You're saying that going to war for your country is the same as brainwashed rag heads that want to kill because of their religion? Are you insane?

They are totally different. For one, an act of war is where militaries battle to overthrow the other. Terrorism is the act of attacking innocents who least suspect it and totally unprepared. Military adheres to the Geneva Convention while terrorists put people in cages and light them on fire. They are not the same. One kills because of some words written in a book and the other kills to preserve their nation.

We don't have problems with people from Russia coming here and committing acts of terror. That's why you do need two sets of rules for granting immigrants legal status to be here. Even our FBI stated there is no way to vet all these Syrian refugees. But DumBama wants to open the door and let them all in supposedly for humanitarian reasons when his real goal is to make whites a minority in this country as quickly as possible.

Here is the problem: we on the right think that being in this country, working in this country, or even becoming a citizen in this country is a privilege. You on the left think it's a right of some sort. It's not a right and they don't have any right to be here. If they are here, it's because they are illegal or they were given our blessing to be here.

No, I'm not insane. It's the same. Either way you've been convinced to fight for something you feel is a part of you. What's different about it? One is a country, the other a religion. If you understood Islam you'd see that people see Islam as a nation anyway.

Terrorism exists because it's a way to win without having to confront a large army. The US has the most superior army, the British used to have. Jihad came back to deal with the problems of fighting a superior force, and the superior force LOST.

Terrorism exists because large countries like the US think they can steamroller smaller countries and take over. Terrorism is a reminder that there are consequences to actions.

If terrorism won, why are we not a nation of Islam? After all, that's what they are really attacking us (and others around the world) for. So far, nobody gave into them.

Their plan is not to attack overpowering militaries. Their plan is to sneak their people into our countries until they become a majority, and then takeover that way. In the meantime, while their minorities are in these countries, they will promote their idiotic religion to get as many natural born citizens to join them. They do it through propaganda, demanding rights, and yes, terrorism.

Don't believe me, just read some of the news stories around the country about these people: demanding they be photographed for their drivers licenses with a burka or other head covering on. Refusing to do their job because it consists of scanning pork items across the scanner to checkout at grocery stores. Even one story I read about where Muslim truck drivers sued their company because they refused to deliver a trailer full of alcohol and got fired. They won too! Cab drivers in NYC refusing to pickup passengers who have a dog with them; even ones who have that dog to see with. The stories go on and on.

Several years ago we had a story here in the Cleveland area about a murder. These two clowns murdered their cousin because she promised herself to an American. In their religion, that was a disgrace to their family. She was promised (at birth) to be the bride of one of her cousins, but was Americanized since she came here at a young age and decided she didn't want to screw her own cousin and have a family. Both brothers got away with murder.

You on the left refuse to see the man behind the curtain. These are very patient people. If left to leftists, they will overtake this country. They are doing so with the blessing of the Democrat party too!

As the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for, because it just may come true.

Islam and it's beliefs is antithetical to America's beliefs. They are strictly into world domination since their beginnings, and tolerate no other religions as per sura 929. We've actually been at war with them since at least Jefferson's time when he sent Marines to Tripoli to kick muslim ass for robbing American ships and holding crews hostage. This of course doesn't stop people on this board saying that we're just as bad, or worse, than muslims. Muhammed and the devil thanks these useful idiots.

Leftists are under this belief that if we just leave them alone, they will leave us alone. But that doesn't explain their actions across the world.

They also believe that our war with terrorism began with Bush--forgetting the first terrorist attack on the WTC under Clinton that failed, but killed just a few Americans. They said they would be back, and they came back long before our invasion of Iraq.

It's Bush's fault.....It's Bush's fault. Yet Bush was able to stop any further attacks on Americans by intercepting communications and capturing terrorists, interrogating them, and learn about their future plots. Bush also famously said that if we fight them over there--it's better than fighting them here.

Obama reversed all that. He thought it better to fight them here than there. He announced his intentions of weakening our interrogation process. He stopped capturing terrorists, and instead, just droned them to death where they went to their graves with the plans they had against us. He released many of them back to their organizations where they are plotting more attacks against us. His intent? Close down Gitmo.

You are living in some bizarre fantasy that all these disconnected cells are somehow organized. You just imagine. You have no links, no proof. Nothing. If you worked that hard on getting a job, you would be employed.

I have a job thank you. That's why you seldom see me post here during working hours. The exceptions of course are vacation, weekends and holidays. Other than that, my posts appear sometime after 3:00 every weekday. After all, if I didn't work, I would be a Democrat now wouldn't I?

 

[owebo]

No, I'm not insane. It's the same. Either way you've been convinced to fight for something you feel is a part of you. What's different about it? One is a country, the other a religion. If you understood Islam you'd see that people see Islam as a nation anyway.

Terrorism exists because it's a way to win without having to confront a large army. The US has the most superior army, the British used to have. Jihad came back to deal with the problems of fighting a superior force, and the superior force LOST.

Terrorism exists because large countries like the US think they can steamroller smaller countries and take over. Terrorism is a reminder that there are consequences to actions.

If terrorism won, why are we not a nation of Islam? After all, that's what they are really attacking us (and others around the world) for. So far, nobody gave into them.

Their plan is not to attack overpowering militaries. Their plan is to sneak their people into our countries until they become a majority, and then takeover that way. In the meantime, while their minorities are in these countries, they will promote their idiotic religion to get as many natural born citizens to join them. They do it through propaganda, demanding rights, and yes, terrorism.

Don't believe me, just read some of the news stories around the country about these people: demanding they be photographed for their drivers licenses with a burka or other head covering on. Refusing to do their job because it consists of scanning pork items across the scanner to checkout at grocery stores. Even one story I read about where Muslim truck drivers sued their company because they refused to deliver a trailer full of alcohol and got fired. They won too! Cab drivers in NYC refusing to pickup passengers who have a dog with them; even ones who have that dog to see with. The stories go on and on.

Several years ago we had a story here in the Cleveland area about a murder. These two clowns murdered their cousin because she promised herself to an American. In their religion, that was a disgrace to their family. She was promised (at birth) to be the bride of one of her cousins, but was Americanized since she came here at a young age and decided she didn't want to screw her own cousin and have a family. Both brothers got away with murder.

You on the left refuse to see the man behind the curtain. These are very patient people. If left to leftists, they will overtake this country. They are doing so with the blessing of the Democrat party too!

As the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for, because it just may come true.

Islam and it's beliefs is antithetical to America's beliefs. They are strictly into world domination since their beginnings, and tolerate no other religions as per sura 929. We've actually been at war with them since at least Jefferson's time when he sent Marines to Tripoli to kick muslim ass for robbing American ships and holding crews hostage. This of course doesn't stop people on this board saying that we're just as bad, or worse, than muslims. Muhammed and the devil thanks these useful idiots.

Leftists are under this belief that if we just leave them alone, they will leave us alone. But that doesn't explain their actions across the world.

They also believe that our war with terrorism began with Bush--forgetting the first terrorist attack on the WTC under Clinton that failed, but killed just a few Americans. They said they would be back, and they came back long before our invasion of Iraq.

It's Bush's fault.....It's Bush's fault. Yet Bush was able to stop any further attacks on Americans by intercepting communications and capturing terrorists, interrogating them, and learn about their future plots. Bush also famously said that if we fight them over there--it's better than fighting them here.

Obama reversed all that. He thought it better to fight them here than there. He announced his intentions of weakening our interrogation process. He stopped capturing terrorists, and instead, just droned them to death where they went to their graves with the plans they had against us. He released many of them back to their organizations where they are plotting more attacks against us. His intent? Close down Gitmo.

You are living in some bizarre fantasy that all these disconnected cells are somehow organized. You just imagine. You have no links, no proof. Nothing. If you worked that hard on getting a job, you would be employed.

I have a job thank you. That's why you seldom see me post here during working hours. The exceptions of course are vacation, weekends and holidays. Other than that, my posts appear sometime after 3:00 every weekday. After all, if I didn't work, I would be a Democrat now wouldn't I?

Rdean is just embarrassed he's a taker.....

 

[frigidweirdo]

Trump hasn't taken office yet, but already his picks are showing what his main policy is. To make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

In charge of education he wants DeVos who is a strong advocate for school vouchers. Vouchers are basically a ways of giving money to rich parents who can already send their kids to private school. So now they get money off their private school, and it won't do anything for most kids in the US.

Tom Price, who Trump will nominate to be in charge of Health, has sent through the last 3 Congresses a bill which would see people get reduced insurance bills, unless of course you have a problem in which case Price doesn't give a fuck about you and you'll have such a large insurance bill that you'll essentially die, unless of course you're rich.

Trump said he was having a revolution, that he was an outsider. So his pick for Treasury is a banker. The very people who caused all the problems that people could have supposed that a change, a revolution, would do away with. And he will essentially be carry out tax cuts for the wealthy.

For Attorney General there is Jeff Sessions. A guy who voted against a bill to prevent cruel, inhumane, or degrading punishment under the control of the US govt. He has a zero rating from the Human Rights Campaign. Well we know Trump has no idea about Human Rights, so to pick someone who doesn't give a damn about them or the Constitution is telling.

Basically the rich will get richer, and the poor are stuffed. The President won't represent anyone who isn't in the top 10%.

That's always been GOP policy. What changed?

Not much. He's appointing Republicans to all his positions, people with strong right wing views. He said he was offering change, he's offering change from Obama, but not from Republican ideology. He basically lied. He said it was something special. Rubbish.

I don't know about that. From what I've been hearing and reading, the right is pretty happy with his choices so far. Some anti-trumpets are even having a change of heart about his leadership. They are quite impressed.

So who's unhappy about his choices? The left, so it must be a good thing.

Those who's political "beliefs" are "anything which pisses the left off is okay by me" are not the sort of people I would trust in any way.

The right is happy about his choices, they were happy about Bush's choices too. But then they went and disowned the guy, sort of in secret, and they try and defend him because he's on the right, not because of any of his policy choices.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yes, there are checks to try and stop people killing each other when under the influence of alcohol, but still people kill. When people apply for visas in the US, they undergo checks too. In fact a lot of people do get rejected. Someone I used to work with, his girlfriend is Russian and can't even get a tourist visa for the US even with a letter from the guy's senator.
And she's just a normal female Russian.

But the point is you don't stop people from drinking, you don't stop people from owning guns, so why stop Muslims coming into the US?

Muslims kill for their religion. However many see Islam as their nation. So a Christian killing for their country, and a Muslim killing for their religion isn't different at all.

Personally someone who signed up to go to Iraq went there to do the bidding of oil companies and the rich. Is this a better reason to go kill people than those who kill over a religion? They're both ridiculous reasons to kill. They're both wrong.

The question here is, is Islam the enemy or not? The US hasn't officially made Islam the enemy, many Americans are Muslims and Americans at the same time. Making Islam the enemy would cause major problems, however the right has taken the decision to try and vilify Islam at every single opportunity.

What you're talking about is mindless nationalism. Getting people to believe something for their own political goals.

If you look at Israel you'll see a microcosm of the whole situation. A place where the right on both sides manage to use the conflict to further their own political goals. The same is said for radical Islam and the right in the US. Radical Islam wants war, it wants killing, it wants suffering because then it can point the finger at the US and get more support. The right wants war, it wants killing, it wants suffering so it can point the finger at Islam and make people fear, make people angry and make people more likely to vote Republican.

WTF are you even talking about? You're saying that going to war for your country is the same as brainwashed rag heads that want to kill because of their religion? Are you insane?

They are totally different. For one, an act of war is where militaries battle to overthrow the other. Terrorism is the act of attacking innocents who least suspect it and totally unprepared. Military adheres to the Geneva Convention while terrorists put people in cages and light them on fire. They are not the same. One kills because of some words written in a book and the other kills to preserve their nation.

We don't have problems with people from Russia coming here and committing acts of terror. That's why you do need two sets of rules for granting immigrants legal status to be here. Even our FBI stated there is no way to vet all these Syrian refugees. But DumBama wants to open the door and let them all in supposedly for humanitarian reasons when his real goal is to make whites a minority in this country as quickly as possible.

Here is the problem: we on the right think that being in this country, working in this country, or even becoming a citizen in this country is a privilege. You on the left think it's a right of some sort. It's not a right and they don't have any right to be here. If they are here, it's because they are illegal or they were given our blessing to be here.

No, I'm not insane. It's the same. Either way you've been convinced to fight for something you feel is a part of you. What's different about it? One is a country, the other a religion. If you understood Islam you'd see that people see Islam as a nation anyway.

Terrorism exists because it's a way to win without having to confront a large army. The US has the most superior army, the British used to have. Jihad came back to deal with the problems of fighting a superior force, and the superior force LOST.

Terrorism exists because large countries like the US think they can steamroller smaller countries and take over. Terrorism is a reminder that there are consequences to actions.

If terrorism won, why are we not a nation of Islam? After all, that's what they are really attacking us (and others around the world) for. So far, nobody gave into them.

Their plan is not to attack overpowering militaries. Their plan is to sneak their people into our countries until they become a majority, and then takeover that way. In the meantime, while their minorities are in these countries, they will promote their idiotic religion to get as many natural born citizens to join them. They do it through propaganda, demanding rights, and yes, terrorism.

Don't believe me, just read some of the news stories around the country about these people: demanding they be photographed for their drivers licenses with a burka or other head covering on. Refusing to do their job because it consists of scanning pork items across the scanner to checkout at grocery stores. Even one story I read about where Muslim truck drivers sued their company because they refused to deliver a trailer full of alcohol and got fired. They won too! Cab drivers in NYC refusing to pickup passengers who have a dog with them; even ones who have that dog to see with. The stories go on and on.

Several years ago we had a story here in the Cleveland area about a murder. These two clowns murdered their cousin because she promised herself to an American. In their religion, that was a disgrace to their family. She was promised (at birth) to be the bride of one of her cousins, but was Americanized since she came here at a young age and decided she didn't want to screw her own cousin and have a family. Both brothers got away with murder.

You on the left refuse to see the man behind the curtain. These are very patient people. If left to leftists, they will overtake this country. They are doing so with the blessing of the Democrat party too!

As the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for, because it just may come true.

Winning takes on many different guises. In Afghanistan winning was kicking the British out, then the British out again, then the Soviets out and the current situation is one of stalemate so far, the future no one knows.

Generally people resort to terrorism because they're not strong enough to fight on the battlefield face to face. It's not logical to fight face to face when defeat is certain, so you resort to guerrilla tactics. Of course a country like the US, strong and powerful want to play by the traditional rules because these rules benefit the USA. So anyone who uses other "rules" or doesn't follow the rules the US wants, is then labelled as something negative.

You say their plan is to sneak into other people's countries and take over. Is it? Do you have any evidence of this? The reality is that those people who have become terrorists but are from the country they attacked, are generally people who have become angry with their life and found fertile ground in Islamic Terrorism because of the anger from the Iraq War especially

Bush made MORE terrorist, he made more problems. He didn't create it out of nothing, it's been a part of US foreign policy for a long, long time, the green eyed monster eyeing up the oil in a region that struggled through industrialization for a lack of resources, suddenly finding itself having something the west needed in abundance.

You're reading stories in the press. The same press that the right has been criticizing for being as biased as hell huh? Oh, well now all of a sudden it's all true, and the bias is okay because you want this bias. That's not me saying there aren't problems with integration. I'm not demanding mass immigration. What I'm saying is you treat people as individuals, not labeling all Muslims as potential terrorists but not all Christians.

You say I refuse to see the truth? No, I always look for the truth.

What I see is the right picking and choosing to see what it wants to see and ignoring a lot everything else. Then having the nerve to tell me that I'm not seeing the truth.



Bush was able to stop further attacks? Really? How many attacks has the US and Europe suffered since? Sure, they haven't been major attacks, but there have been attacks.

Outside 911, what successful attacks were there the rest of the Bush's two terms? Now ask yourself how many DumBama has racked up? And you say you always look for the truth?

Was it just dumb luck or perhaps, could it be Bush did know what he was doing when it came to protecting our country? Tough thing for you to admit I understand.

Sorry history has proven you wrong repeatedly. The terrorists could care less about Iraq. Sure, some might say they are upset by it, but do you really think without Iraq, they wouldn't be terrorists at all? Iraq is just one of their dozens of beefs the US. And if Bush created all these terrorists because of our activity in the middle-east, why hasn't Obama with all his drone attacks?

Generally people resort to terrorism because they're not strong enough to fight on the battlefield face to face. It's not logical to fight face to face when defeat is certain, so you resort to guerrilla tactics. Of course a country like the US, strong and powerful want to play by the traditional rules because these rules benefit the USA. So anyone who uses other "rules" or doesn't follow the rules the US wants, is then labelled as something negative.

Uh.........yeah, I would say terrorism is something negative. Take the US out of the mix, and tell me what military the terrorist can fight? Nobody. They won't fight us face to face because they are cowards. They attack innocent people who are unarmed and unprepared for such attacks. They hide among their women and children so they too get killed in any of our retaliations. Like Democrats, they are hypocrites. All this talk about 72 virgins, and they do whatever they can to avoid meeting them. After all, we'll be happy to send them all to their holy land if that's what they think.

I see you've limited this to Bush's terms.

Well, now you've asked. London and Madrid. Two big terror attacks. Do you not remember those?

Both directly connected with the invasion of Iraq, the British went, the Spanish half went and then pulled out once the socialists took office.

The 2002 LAX airport shooting.
An attack in the Philippines that killed a US green beret.
Faylaka Island attack in Kuwait, killed one US Marine.
2007 Glasgow Airport attack.

Oh, and the whole fuck up in Iraq.

Bush didn't protect the country. Bush made more Islamic terrorists, he made more hatred for America, he made problems for the next 50 years or more. He made our lives a lot more dangerous. Iraq will go down in history as one of the biggest and most costly (in lives and money) fuck ups there have ever been.

No, History has not proven me wrong at all. Just that some people are willing to manipulate history for their own agenda. Nothing changes really, does it?

Terrorists aren't cowards, they know their limitations and they're working within them. You call them cowards? Are the US not cowards? Invade China? Russia? Hell no, they won't go anywhere near these countries. They'll invade Iraq, Afghanistan, poor countries with not very good armies. Oh, that's so brave. The whole "you're yellow" thing is for those bullies who try and make themselves someone in the world by bullying. Sorry, i don't buy it.

 

[jasonnfree]

WTF are you even talking about? You're saying that going to war for your country is the same as brainwashed rag heads that want to kill because of their religion? Are you insane?

They are totally different. For one, an act of war is where militaries battle to overthrow the other. Terrorism is the act of attacking innocents who least suspect it and totally unprepared. Military adheres to the Geneva Convention while terrorists put people in cages and light them on fire. They are not the same. One kills because of some words written in a book and the other kills to preserve their nation.

We don't have problems with people from Russia coming here and committing acts of terror. That's why you do need two sets of rules for granting immigrants legal status to be here. Even our FBI stated there is no way to vet all these Syrian refugees. But DumBama wants to open the door and let them all in supposedly for humanitarian reasons when his real goal is to make whites a minority in this country as quickly as possible.

Here is the problem: we on the right think that being in this country, working in this country, or even becoming a citizen in this country is a privilege. You on the left think it's a right of some sort. It's not a right and they don't have any right to be here. If they are here, it's because they are illegal or they were given our blessing to be here.

No, I'm not insane. It's the same. Either way you've been convinced to fight for something you feel is a part of you. What's different about it? One is a country, the other a religion. If you understood Islam you'd see that people see Islam as a nation anyway.

Terrorism exists because it's a way to win without having to confront a large army. The US has the most superior army, the British used to have. Jihad came back to deal with the problems of fighting a superior force, and the superior force LOST.

Terrorism exists because large countries like the US think they can steamroller smaller countries and take over. Terrorism is a reminder that there are consequences to actions.

If terrorism won, why are we not a nation of Islam? After all, that's what they are really attacking us (and others around the world) for. So far, nobody gave into them.

Their plan is not to attack overpowering militaries. Their plan is to sneak their people into our countries until they become a majority, and then takeover that way. In the meantime, while their minorities are in these countries, they will promote their idiotic religion to get as many natural born citizens to join them. They do it through propaganda, demanding rights, and yes, terrorism.

Don't believe me, just read some of the news stories around the country about these people: demanding they be photographed for their drivers licenses with a burka or other head covering on. Refusing to do their job because it consists of scanning pork items across the scanner to checkout at grocery stores. Even one story I read about where Muslim truck drivers sued their company because they refused to deliver a trailer full of alcohol and got fired. They won too! Cab drivers in NYC refusing to pickup passengers who have a dog with them; even ones who have that dog to see with. The stories go on and on.

Several years ago we had a story here in the Cleveland area about a murder. These two clowns murdered their cousin because she promised herself to an American. In their religion, that was a disgrace to their family. She was promised (at birth) to be the bride of one of her cousins, but was Americanized since she came here at a young age and decided she didn't want to screw her own cousin and have a family. Both brothers got away with murder.

You on the left refuse to see the man behind the curtain. These are very patient people. If left to leftists, they will overtake this country. They are doing so with the blessing of the Democrat party too!

As the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for, because it just may come true.

Winning takes on many different guises. In Afghanistan winning was kicking the British out, then the British out again, then the Soviets out and the current situation is one of stalemate so far, the future no one knows.

Generally people resort to terrorism because they're not strong enough to fight on the battlefield face to face. It's not logical to fight face to face when defeat is certain, so you resort to guerrilla tactics. Of course a country like the US, strong and powerful want to play by the traditional rules because these rules benefit the USA. So anyone who uses other "rules" or doesn't follow the rules the US wants, is then labelled as something negative.

You say their plan is to sneak into other people's countries and take over. Is it? Do you have any evidence of this? The reality is that those people who have become terrorists but are from the country they attacked, are generally people who have become angry with their life and found fertile ground in Islamic Terrorism because of the anger from the Iraq War especially

Bush made MORE terrorist, he made more problems. He didn't create it out of nothing, it's been a part of US foreign policy for a long, long time, the green eyed monster eyeing up the oil in a region that struggled through industrialization for a lack of resources, suddenly finding itself having something the west needed in abundance.

You're reading stories in the press. The same press that the right has been criticizing for being as biased as hell huh? Oh, well now all of a sudden it's all true, and the bias is okay because you want this bias. That's not me saying there aren't problems with integration. I'm not demanding mass immigration. What I'm saying is you treat people as individuals, not labeling all Muslims as potential terrorists but not all Christians.

You say I refuse to see the truth? No, I always look for the truth.

What I see is the right picking and choosing to see what it wants to see and ignoring a lot everything else. Then having the nerve to tell me that I'm not seeing the truth.



Bush was able to stop further attacks? Really? How many attacks has the US and Europe suffered since? Sure, they haven't been major attacks, but there have been attacks.

Outside 911, what successful attacks were there the rest of the Bush's two terms? Now ask yourself how many DumBama has racked up? And you say you always look for the truth?

Was it just dumb luck or perhaps, could it be Bush did know what he was doing when it came to protecting our country? Tough thing for you to admit I understand.

Sorry history has proven you wrong repeatedly. The terrorists could care less about Iraq. Sure, some might say they are upset by it, but do you really think without Iraq, they wouldn't be terrorists at all? Iraq is just one of their dozens of beefs the US. And if Bush created all these terrorists because of our activity in the middle-east, why hasn't Obama with all his drone attacks?

Generally people resort to terrorism because they're not strong enough to fight on the battlefield face to face. It's not logical to fight face to face when defeat is certain, so you resort to guerrilla tactics. Of course a country like the US, strong and powerful want to play by the traditional rules because these rules benefit the USA. So anyone who uses other "rules" or doesn't follow the rules the US wants, is then labelled as something negative.

Uh.........yeah, I would say terrorism is something negative. Take the US out of the mix, and tell me what military the terrorist can fight? Nobody. They won't fight us face to face because they are cowards. They attack innocent people who are unarmed and unprepared for such attacks. They hide among their women and children so they too get killed in any of our retaliations. Like Democrats, they are hypocrites. All this talk about 72 virgins, and they do whatever they can to avoid meeting them. After all, we'll be happy to send them all to their holy land if that's what they think.

I see you've limited this to Bush's terms.

Well, now you've asked. London and Madrid. Two big terror attacks. Do you not remember those?

Both directly connected with the invasion of Iraq, the British went, the Spanish half went and then pulled out once the socialists took office.

The 2002 LAX airport shooting.
An attack in the Philippines that killed a US green beret.
Faylaka Island attack in Kuwait, killed one US Marine.
2007 Glasgow Airport attack.

Oh, and the whole fuck up in Iraq.

Bush didn't protect the country. Bush made more Islamic terrorists, he made more hatred for America, he made problems for the next 50 years or more. He made our lives a lot more dangerous. Iraq will go down in history as one of the biggest and most costly (in lives and money) fuck ups there have ever been.

No, History has not proven me wrong at all. Just that some people are willing to manipulate history for their own agenda. Nothing changes really, does it?

Terrorists aren't cowards, they know their limitations and they're working within them. You call them cowards? Are the US not cowards? Invade China? Russia? Hell no, they won't go anywhere near these countries. They'll invade Iraq, Afghanistan, poor countries with not very good armies. Oh, that's so brave. The whole "you're yellow" thing is for those bullies who try and make themselves someone in the world by bullying. Sorry, i don't buy it.

Sounds like you'd be happier in the middle east fighting with your muslim brothers against the great satan - USA and Christianity. Start up a go fund me to send yourself over there and I'll donate.