Georgia has discovered the cure for poverty!

[Vandalshandle]

Hannity Omits The "Food Stamp" Facts: Most Recipients Have Jobs, Or Are Seniors Or Children

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You keep speaking using your ass instead of your brain. I say we find out the facts before we claim it a success or failure. You spout in talking points and nothing more.

What I spout is experience. I'll do one better: Maine did the very exact same thing.

In the first three months after Maine’s work policy went into effect, its ABAWD caseload plummeted by nearly 80 percent, falling from 13,332 recipients in December 2014 to 2,678 in March 2015.[5] This rapid drop in welfare dependence has a historical precedent: When work requirements were established in the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program under President Bill Clinton in the 1990s, nationwide caseloads dropped by a similar amount, albeit over a few years rather than a few months.

Maine Food Stamp Work Requirement Cuts Non-Parent Caseload by 80 Percent

Maine like Georgia's regulation applies only to able bodied adults without dependents. The elderly are not considered by either state in the program. What this means is 90% of food stamp recipients are not part of the program. Existing federal regulation place a time limit on the use of food stamps for able bodied adults without dependents to 3 months over a 36 month period. Federal regulations require that during this time period they must be registered and actively looking for employment and must accept any job offered that they are qualified for. Since over 75% of these people have jobs in 30 to 60 days, this programs is accomplishing little if anything.

Instead creating these ridiculous programs that do little or nothing, what states should be doing is monitoring employment of recipients more closely. Although regulations require recipients to report income and stop using their SNAP card when they become ineligible, most people continue to use them until the state stops them which can be up a year after they are no longer eligible. The states are responsible for this but are ignoring it and as such, many millions are wasted.

What these requirements demonstrate is that most people on food stamps really don't need them. Let me ask: if all of a sudden we ended the food stamp program, do you really believe people would just stop eating?

Of course not. They would just start buying their own food. They may have to make cuts in other places such as their cigarettes, their alcohol, maybe get rid of their multiple pets they are feeding, but they are not about to stop eating. And when they are paying for their own food, it won't be frozen TV dinners, steaks or ribs. They would have to purchase food within their budget just like working people do every day.

My father retired over 20 years ago, same with my mother. Why are they not getting food stamps? Could it be because my father was responsible enough to secure his and my mothers retirement? Could it be because he worked hard all of his life and built a social security account that enabled him to retire comfortably?

It's my speculation that if you are elderly and getting food stamps, you probably didn't work much in your working life when you could have.

Arrogant idiots like you are pigs. You rely on every stereotype to attack people and unless you have asked them you d0on't have a clue. The fact is that you have to be at the poverty level to get food stamps. It is not something that is handed out willy nilly which you imply.

It's not? You mean the government investigates all applicants to see if they are receiving money from other sources? You mean the government interviews their employers to find out if they are refusing to work more hours that they were offered? You mean that government investigates who the applicant is living with such as a boyfriend, spouse, other welfare recipients, with their parents?

Government doesn't investigate any of those things. You make X amount of money, you have X amount of children, you get X amount of benefits, and that's it.

Not 100% true. When my daughter received food stamps, I had to provide documentation that she paid me x amount of dollars per month for rent.

 

[busybee01]

You keep speaking using your ass instead of your brain. I say we find out the facts before we claim it a success or failure. You spout in talking points and nothing more.

What I spout is experience. I'll do one better: Maine did the very exact same thing.

In the first three months after Maine’s work policy went into effect, its ABAWD caseload plummeted by nearly 80 percent, falling from 13,332 recipients in December 2014 to 2,678 in March 2015.[5] This rapid drop in welfare dependence has a historical precedent: When work requirements were established in the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program under President Bill Clinton in the 1990s, nationwide caseloads dropped by a similar amount, albeit over a few years rather than a few months.

Maine Food Stamp Work Requirement Cuts Non-Parent Caseload by 80 Percent

Maine like Georgia's regulation applies only to able bodied adults without dependents. The elderly are not considered by either state in the program. What this means is 90% of food stamp recipients are not part of the program. Existing federal regulation place a time limit on the use of food stamps for able bodied adults without dependents to 3 months over a 36 month period. Federal regulations require that during this time period they must be registered and actively looking for employment and must accept any job offered that they are qualified for. Since over 75% of these people have jobs in 30 to 60 days, this programs is accomplishing little if anything.

Instead creating these ridiculous programs that do little or nothing, what states should be doing is monitoring employment of recipients more closely. Although regulations require recipients to report income and stop using their SNAP card when they become ineligible, most people continue to use them until the state stops them which can be up a year after they are no longer eligible. The states are responsible for this but are ignoring it and as such, many millions are wasted.

What these requirements demonstrate is that most people on food stamps really don't need them. Let me ask: if all of a sudden we ended the food stamp program, do you really believe people would just stop eating?

Of course not. They would just start buying their own food. They may have to make cuts in other places such as their cigarettes, their alcohol, maybe get rid of their multiple pets they are feeding, but they are not about to stop eating. And when they are paying for their own food, it won't be frozen TV dinners, steaks or ribs. They would have to purchase food within their budget just like working people do every day.

My father retired over 20 years ago, same with my mother. Why are they not getting food stamps? Could it be because my father was responsible enough to secure his and my mothers retirement? Could it be because he worked hard all of his life and built a social security account that enabled him to retire comfortably?

It's my speculation that if you are elderly and getting food stamps, you probably didn't work much in your working life when you could have.

Arrogant idiots like you are pigs. You rely on every stereotype to attack people and unless you have asked them you d0on't have a clue. The fact is that you have to be at the poverty level to get food stamps. It is not something that is handed out willy nilly which you imply.

It's not? You mean the government investigates all applicants to see if they are receiving money from other sources? You mean the government interviews their employers to find out if they are refusing to work more hours that they were offered? You mean that government investigates who the applicant is living with such as a boyfriend, spouse, other welfare recipients, with their parents?

Government doesn't investigate any of those things. You make X amount of money, you have X amount of children, you get X amount of benefits, and that's it.

In some instances you are talking about outright fraud. It does not change the basic facts. Your gross income has to be 130% of poverty level and net income 100% of the poverty limit. They are not just given to anyone. The maximum benefit for a family of 4 is $649 which comes out to $5 a day per person.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What I spout is experience. I'll do one better: Maine did the very exact same thing.

In the first three months after Maine’s work policy went into effect, its ABAWD caseload plummeted by nearly 80 percent, falling from 13,332 recipients in December 2014 to 2,678 in March 2015.[5] This rapid drop in welfare dependence has a historical precedent: When work requirements were established in the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program under President Bill Clinton in the 1990s, nationwide caseloads dropped by a similar amount, albeit over a few years rather than a few months.

Maine Food Stamp Work Requirement Cuts Non-Parent Caseload by 80 Percent

Maine like Georgia's regulation applies only to able bodied adults without dependents. The elderly are not considered by either state in the program. What this means is 90% of food stamp recipients are not part of the program. Existing federal regulation place a time limit on the use of food stamps for able bodied adults without dependents to 3 months over a 36 month period. Federal regulations require that during this time period they must be registered and actively looking for employment and must accept any job offered that they are qualified for. Since over 75% of these people have jobs in 30 to 60 days, this programs is accomplishing little if anything.

Instead creating these ridiculous programs that do little or nothing, what states should be doing is monitoring employment of recipients more closely. Although regulations require recipients to report income and stop using their SNAP card when they become ineligible, most people continue to use them until the state stops them which can be up a year after they are no longer eligible. The states are responsible for this but are ignoring it and as such, many millions are wasted.

What these requirements demonstrate is that most people on food stamps really don't need them. Let me ask: if all of a sudden we ended the food stamp program, do you really believe people would just stop eating?

Of course not. They would just start buying their own food. They may have to make cuts in other places such as their cigarettes, their alcohol, maybe get rid of their multiple pets they are feeding, but they are not about to stop eating. And when they are paying for their own food, it won't be frozen TV dinners, steaks or ribs. They would have to purchase food within their budget just like working people do every day.

My father retired over 20 years ago, same with my mother. Why are they not getting food stamps? Could it be because my father was responsible enough to secure his and my mothers retirement? Could it be because he worked hard all of his life and built a social security account that enabled him to retire comfortably?

It's my speculation that if you are elderly and getting food stamps, you probably didn't work much in your working life when you could have.

Arrogant idiots like you are pigs. You rely on every stereotype to attack people and unless you have asked them you d0on't have a clue. The fact is that you have to be at the poverty level to get food stamps. It is not something that is handed out willy nilly which you imply.

It's not? You mean the government investigates all applicants to see if they are receiving money from other sources? You mean the government interviews their employers to find out if they are refusing to work more hours that they were offered? You mean that government investigates who the applicant is living with such as a boyfriend, spouse, other welfare recipients, with their parents?

Government doesn't investigate any of those things. You make X amount of money, you have X amount of children, you get X amount of benefits, and that's it.

In some instances you are talking about outright fraud. It does not change the basic facts. Your gross income has to be 130% of poverty level and net income 100% of the poverty limit. They are not just given to anyone. The maximum benefit for a family of 4 is $649 which comes out to $5 a day per person.

Do you eat more than $5.00 a day? I don't.

I take two salami sandwiches to work. In mosts cases, I only eat one. I also eat a small bag of Frito's and two Hostess cup cakes. For dinner, I make a hamburger.

Yes, I am talking about fraud; fraud the federal government never investigates on.

 

[WEATHER53]

Shop a few bargains and its $50 per week for two from Giant

 

[koshergrl]

The income standard is 185 percent of the fpl. The reporting standard is 130 percent. You dont have to verify the shelter cost verification unless its questionable.

 

[koshergrl]

and i can eat on 5 bucks a day.

 

[Crixus]

It's called making people work, train, or volunteer while on food stamps:

Thousands Cured Of Poverty After Georgia Introduces Work-For-Food-Stamp Requirement – MILO NEWS

Thousands of people have been miraculously cured of poverty in Georgia following the state’s implementation of a requirement that all those receiving stamps must either be working, training for a job, or volunteering for a non-profit or charity.

According to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, “Georgia has been rolling out work requirements for food stamp recipients for over a year.”

The outlet states that the latest rollout saw the requirements reach 21 counties, affecting roughly 12,000 able-bodied people without children.

Those people were given until April 1 to fulfil the aforementioned requirement. But when that date rolled around, The Journal-Constitution, citing state figures, reports that more than half of the food stamp recipients were dropped from the program.

“Essentially, the number of recipients spiraled down from 11,779 to 4,528, or a drop of 62 percent,” the outlet states.

According to The Journal-Constitution Georgian officials are looking at expanding the food stamp requirements to all 159 counties in the state by 2019.

“The greater good is people being employed, being productive, and contributing to the state,” said Bobby Cagle, head of Georgia’s Division of Family and Children Services, according to the outlet...

I've long said that any long-term people on welfare should be required to work in the fields or volunteer 20 hours per week for a government or non-profit agency unless they have a serious and medically-documented condition that precludes them from doing so. We should roll this program out nationwide.

Damn, thought it was wouldn't green.

 

[koshergrl]

if snap recipients are not able to get work after a reasonable effort has been expended, they are directed to volunteer because it will improve their resume, and improve their skill set. The state generally enters into a relationship with particular employers...often non profits lil animal shelters, st Vincent de Paul, but snap ppl are welcome to volunteer where they will, as long as its a real employer, and one that will confirm the hours.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Grandma's SNAP benefits have been cut off this year. Looks like we will have to cut back. No new tennis balls for her walker in 2017.

 

[Vandalshandle]

It also looks like all those out of work coal miners in West Virginia, who Trump promised to put back to work, are SOL, too. Since he also wants to take away their health insurance with the new GOP health plan, I guess that in the big picture, it doesn't really matter if they are hungry.

Top Trump aide: Coal doesn't make 'much sense anymore'

 

[cnelsen]

h comes out to $5 a day per person.

That was my salary when I lived in China, and I lived like a king.

 

[Flopper]

We don't know that. You would have to find out why they didn't show up. If they tried to get work and failed and knew they would be cut off then that is not cutting poverty.

So where is this place were there are no jobs? I don't buy that for a minute. Even if you got a job at McDonald's, that would count as working.

The thing is that people will take stuff for free; again, human nature. If you have to work for what you are given, then chances are you won't want to work for it because if you did, you would have gotten a job in the first place.

You keep speaking using your ass instead of your brain. I say we find out the facts before we claim it a success or failure. You spout in talking points and nothing more.

What I spout is experience. I'll do one better: Maine did the very exact same thing.

In the first three months after Maine’s work policy went into effect, its ABAWD caseload plummeted by nearly 80 percent, falling from 13,332 recipients in December 2014 to 2,678 in March 2015.[5] This rapid drop in welfare dependence has a historical precedent: When work requirements were established in the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program under President Bill Clinton in the 1990s, nationwide caseloads dropped by a similar amount, albeit over a few years rather than a few months.

Maine Food Stamp Work Requirement Cuts Non-Parent Caseload by 80 Percent

Maine like Georgia's regulation applies only to able bodied adults without dependents. The elderly are not considered by either state in the program. What this means is 90% of food stamp recipients are not part of the program. Existing federal regulation place a time limit on the use of food stamps for able bodied adults without dependents to 3 months over a 36 month period. Federal regulations require that during this time period they must be registered and actively looking for employment and must accept any job offered that they are qualified for. Since over 75% of these people have jobs in 30 to 60 days, this programs is accomplishing little if anything.

Instead creating these ridiculous programs that do little or nothing, what states should be doing is monitoring employment of recipients more closely. Although regulations require recipients to report income and stop using their SNAP card when they become ineligible, most people continue to use them until the state stops them which can be up a year after they are no longer eligible. The states are responsible for this but are ignoring it and as such, many millions are wasted.

What these requirements demonstrate is that most people on food stamps really don't need them. Let me ask: if all of a sudden we ended the food stamp program, do you really believe people would just stop eating?

Of course not. They would just start buying their own food. They may have to make cuts in other places such as their cigarettes, their alcohol, maybe get rid of their multiple pets they are feeding, but they are not about to stop eating. And when they are paying for their own food, it won't be frozen TV dinners, steaks or ribs. They would have to purchase food within their budget just like working people do every day.

My father retired over 20 years ago, same with my mother. Why are they not getting food stamps? Could it be because my father was responsible enough to secure his and my mothers retirement? Could it be because he worked hard all of his life and built a social security account that enabled him to retire comfortably?

It's my speculation that if you are elderly and getting food stamps, you probably didn't work much in your working life when you could have.

In a society as wealthy as ours, where crops are left unpicked in the fields to drive up prices and the most successful live in mansions scattered around world living a life of opulence and leisure, should not the least successful have just a roof over their head and the bare necessities of life.

You know we actually agree on one thing we both would like to see the end of government assistance. However, I believe that will never happen. We will always have people that will not be able to provide for themselves and thus assistance will be needed. In fact, as civilization advances and automation eliminates more and more jobs, work that pays a living wage will require ever higher skills and education. More people will become redundant, only able to qualify for the lowest level jobs, temporary and part time work. They will need assistance to just have the bare necessities of life.

In regard to retirement, bad things happen to good people, deaths in the family, sickness, disability, job loss and family problems that transcends the need for retirement savings.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Why?
I don't see your point. I'm engaged in this thread.

Of course you don't. You're to ENGAGED in disparaging the poor and attacking those of us who advocate for them

"Advocate for them" is that what you call it?
By advocating do you really mean excuse making, coddling, and perpetuating a greater, larger epidemic?
I can't understand how or why you bleeding hearts never identify the real problem at its root....it never occurs to you that the problem needs to be dealt with at its origin.
Throwing other people's money over the top of the issue only conceals, masks and treats the problem...that methodology SOLVES nothing.
I'd like to challenge you to clearly identify the REAL problem at its origin...can you do that? Don't be scared to be candid.

I'm thinking this is the part where ole' RegressivePatriot ducks out of this one...haha

I'm not going anywhere. I'll be right here waiting for you to make some sense.

I don't know how to be any more sensible. Follow along.
"I'd like to challenge you to clearly identify the REAL problem at its origin...can you do that? Don't be scared to be candid"

I did exactly that in post 223 above. You blew it off with a rant about Marxism and continue to pretend that poverty is the fault of the poor, and call me names like an adolescent bully.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It's called making people work, train, or volunteer while on food stamps:

Thousands Cured Of Poverty After Georgia Introduces Work-For-Food-Stamp Requirement – MILO NEWS

Thousands of people have been miraculously cured of poverty in Georgia following the state’s implementation of a requirement that all those receiving stamps must either be working, training for a job, or volunteering for a non-profit or charity.

According to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, “Georgia has been rolling out work requirements for food stamp recipients for over a year.”

The outlet states that the latest rollout saw the requirements reach 21 counties, affecting roughly 12,000 able-bodied people without children.

Those people were given until April 1 to fulfil the aforementioned requirement. But when that date rolled around, The Journal-Constitution, citing state figures, reports that more than half of the food stamp recipients were dropped from the program.

“Essentially, the number of recipients spiraled down from 11,779 to 4,528, or a drop of 62 percent,” the outlet states.

According to The Journal-Constitution Georgian officials are looking at expanding the food stamp requirements to all 159 counties in the state by 2019.

“The greater good is people being employed, being productive, and contributing to the state,” said Bobby Cagle, head of Georgia’s Division of Family and Children Services, according to the outlet...

I've long said that any long-term people on welfare should be required to work in the fields or volunteer 20 hours per week for a government or non-profit agency unless they have a serious and medically-documented condition that precludes them from doing so. We should roll this program out nationwide.

Gingrich offered this solution:

Newt refers to a proposal by Peter Ferrara, who was in the White House Office of Policy Development under President Ronald Reagan. The proposal goes like this:

Block grants would still be provided to the states, and states would guarantee a day’s work assignment (paying the minimum wage) to everyone who reports to their local welfare office before 9:00 a.m.

According to Newt, “The welfare office would provide free daycare for participants’ small children”, and the children would “receive medical care and treatment when necessary” (page 190).

Moreover, those working a certain number of hours would receive a Medicaid voucher for private health insurance as well as housing assistance so they could purchase a home. They would also receive the earned-income tax credit. Newt also affirms that the disabled would be trained for some line of work.

Based on minimum wage of $7.25, or $15,000 for a full year’s work, plus EITC, which is $3,000 with one child, and $5,000 with two, plus $1,000 per child tax credit. This plus the in-kind transfers of child care and health care, are an adequate safety net. “What I like about this proposal is that it would give welfare recipients work experience and job skills rather than setting welfare against work.” Newt Gingrich’s To Save America 7: Welfare Reform, Health Care

1. The system would also end all incentives for having children outside of marriage, as a parent would have to work to support a child.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Of course you don't. You're to ENGAGED in disparaging the poor and attacking those of us who advocate for them

"Advocate for them" is that what you call it?
By advocating do you really mean excuse making, coddling, and perpetuating a greater, larger epidemic?
I can't understand how or why you bleeding hearts never identify the real problem at its root....it never occurs to you that the problem needs to be dealt with at its origin.
Throwing other people's money over the top of the issue only conceals, masks and treats the problem...that methodology SOLVES nothing.
I'd like to challenge you to clearly identify the REAL problem at its origin...can you do that? Don't be scared to be candid.

I'm thinking this is the part where ole' RegressivePatriot ducks out of this one...haha

I'm not going anywhere. I'll be right here waiting for you to make some sense.

I don't know how to be any more sensible. Follow along.
"I'd like to challenge you to clearly identify the REAL problem at its origin...can you do that? Don't be scared to be candid"

I did exactly that in post 223 above. You blew it off with a rant about Marxism and continue to pretend that poverty is the fault of the poor, and call me names like an adolescent bully.

no one starts at the top so we do t get married or cohabit at age19 have two kids and Then try and figure out how to support ourselves

That is incoherent!

It's not that it's incoherent but rather that the concept of self sustenance is imperceptible to you

No! I understand self sustenance. What you don't understand is that in a capitalistic system, not everyone can self sustain all of the time, Unemployment and poverty are bi products of capitalism. As the economy expands and contracts a the result of free market forces, so does the labor market and the unemployment rate. Those who are unemployed must be sustained by the social welfare safety net until their labor is needed again. That keeps them reasonable healthy and ready to work, and avoids the social unrest that comes with widespread, severe poverty. The safety net supports and perpetuates capitalism and the free market that conservatives are so fond of. The alternative -that conservatives rail against is - is socialism. You can't have it both ways!!

WOW...So this is your honest opinion of what the greatest CAUSE for poverty is in this country?
Just to be clear...ShaQuita and DaShawn who have five money trees (children), who are iQ challenged, who can barely speak an odd form of English, who have tattoos on their neck and gold teeth, who smoke weed day and night struggle and count on taxpayers to survive are simply victims of capitalism? Really?
Do you hear how retarded that sounds? Do you ever listen to yourselves talk? Do you have any idea what this totally twisted, illogical bunch of bullshit sounds like to anyone even slightly logical? Is this simply another case of emotions getting over on your intelligence?

 

[busybee01]

Maine like Georgia's regulation applies only to able bodied adults without dependents. The elderly are not considered by either state in the program. What this means is 90% of food stamp recipients are not part of the program. Existing federal regulation place a time limit on the use of food stamps for able bodied adults without dependents to 3 months over a 36 month period. Federal regulations require that during this time period they must be registered and actively looking for employment and must accept any job offered that they are qualified for. Since over 75% of these people have jobs in 30 to 60 days, this programs is accomplishing little if anything.

Instead creating these ridiculous programs that do little or nothing, what states should be doing is monitoring employment of recipients more closely. Although regulations require recipients to report income and stop using their SNAP card when they become ineligible, most people continue to use them until the state stops them which can be up a year after they are no longer eligible. The states are responsible for this but are ignoring it and as such, many millions are wasted.

What these requirements demonstrate is that most people on food stamps really don't need them. Let me ask: if all of a sudden we ended the food stamp program, do you really believe people would just stop eating?

Of course not. They would just start buying their own food. They may have to make cuts in other places such as their cigarettes, their alcohol, maybe get rid of their multiple pets they are feeding, but they are not about to stop eating. And when they are paying for their own food, it won't be frozen TV dinners, steaks or ribs. They would have to purchase food within their budget just like working people do every day.

My father retired over 20 years ago, same with my mother. Why are they not getting food stamps? Could it be because my father was responsible enough to secure his and my mothers retirement? Could it be because he worked hard all of his life and built a social security account that enabled him to retire comfortably?

It's my speculation that if you are elderly and getting food stamps, you probably didn't work much in your working life when you could have.

Arrogant idiots like you are pigs. You rely on every stereotype to attack people and unless you have asked them you d0on't have a clue. The fact is that you have to be at the poverty level to get food stamps. It is not something that is handed out willy nilly which you imply.

It's not? You mean the government investigates all applicants to see if they are receiving money from other sources? You mean the government interviews their employers to find out if they are refusing to work more hours that they were offered? You mean that government investigates who the applicant is living with such as a boyfriend, spouse, other welfare recipients, with their parents?

Government doesn't investigate any of those things. You make X amount of money, you have X amount of children, you get X amount of benefits, and that's it.

In some instances you are talking about outright fraud. It does not change the basic facts. Your gross income has to be 130% of poverty level and net income 100% of the poverty limit. They are not just given to anyone. The maximum benefit for a family of 4 is $649 which comes out to $5 a day per person.

Do you eat more than $5.00 a day? I don't.

I take two salami sandwiches to work. In mosts cases, I only eat one. I also eat a small bag of Frito's and two Hostess cup cakes. For dinner, I make a hamburger.

Yes, I am talking about fraud; fraud the federal government never investigates on.

I am not talking about fraud. I am talking about need.

Good for you. You have a very unhealthy diet.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

"Advocate for them" is that what you call it?
By advocating do you really mean excuse making, coddling, and perpetuating a greater, larger epidemic?
I can't understand how or why you bleeding hearts never identify the real problem at its root....it never occurs to you that the problem needs to be dealt with at its origin.
Throwing other people's money over the top of the issue only conceals, masks and treats the problem...that methodology SOLVES nothing.
I'd like to challenge you to clearly identify the REAL problem at its origin...can you do that? Don't be scared to be candid.

I'm thinking this is the part where ole' RegressivePatriot ducks out of this one...haha

I'm not going anywhere. I'll be right here waiting for you to make some sense.

I don't know how to be any more sensible. Follow along.
"I'd like to challenge you to clearly identify the REAL problem at its origin...can you do that? Don't be scared to be candid"

I did exactly that in post 223 above. You blew it off with a rant about Marxism and continue to pretend that poverty is the fault of the poor, and call me names like an adolescent bully.

no one starts at the top so we do t get married or cohabit at age19 have two kids and Then try and figure out how to support ourselves

That is incoherent!

It's not that it's incoherent but rather that the concept of self sustenance is imperceptible to you

No! I understand self sustenance. What you don't understand is that in a capitalistic system, not everyone can self sustain all of the time, Unemployment and poverty are bi products of capitalism. As the economy expands and contracts a the result of free market forces, so does the labor market and the unemployment rate. Those who are unemployed must be sustained by the social welfare safety net until their labor is needed again. That keeps them reasonable healthy and ready to work, and avoids the social unrest that comes with widespread, severe poverty. The safety net supports and perpetuates capitalism and the free market that conservatives are so fond of. The alternative -that conservatives rail against is - is socialism. You can't have it both ways!!

WOW...So this is your honest opinion of what the greatest CAUSE for poverty is in this country?
Just to be clear...ShaQuita and DaShawn who have five money trees (children), who are iQ challenged, who can barely speak an odd form of English, who have tattoos on their neck and gold teeth, who smoke weed day and night struggle and count on taxpayers to survive are simply victims of capitalism? Really?
Do you hear how retarded that sounds? Do you ever listen to yourselves talk? Do you have any idea what this totally twisted, illogical bunch of bullshit sounds like to anyone even slightly logical? Is this simply another case of emotions getting over on your intelligence?

Wow!! So your honest opinion is that it all because of shiftless pot smoking, uneducated minorities? Do you ever listen to yourself talk??

You might want to try to read and understand this Causes of Poverty in America

He looks like he speaks English

 

[danielpalos]

No, if you read the OP carefully, it does not say all those people got jobs. It says they had their food stamps taken away.

This is the tard definition of "curing" poverty.

So if they needed those food stamps, don't you think they would have complied with the requirements?

I think a lot of people can easily feed themselves, but will take anything that's free even if they don't have to have it. It's human nature really. Most of the people that I've seen use food stamps certainly didn't need them. I can tell by the other purchases they made, the kind of clothes they wore, the kind of vehicle they drove.

So what these requirements are actually doing is weeding out those who really don't need food stamps in the first place. How can that be a bad thing?

welfare administration is probably more expensive than actual insurance administration.

 

[danielpalos]

I'm seeing a lot of the usual suspects on this thread. What they have in common is that they interact every day with the lowest socioeconomic group, which means that they are probably just a rung over the inner city people. This is the level where I expect to see contempt for the impoverished. Everyone needs someone to feel superior to, whether they are the poor, the unemployed, Mexicans, Muslims, Atheists, gays, welfare queens, blacks, whatever.

That's a very typical spin cast by a good little Liberal following protocol.

It could be even simpler. Unlike you and your people maybe we believe a standard and expectation should be met by our fellow humans...after all it's the ability to reason that's suppose to separate us from the animal kingdom...right?
Maybe some of us pay more in income taxes than you earn in a year and we'd like to stop inducing the growing ignorance and dependence within the ghettos. I'd imagine it's pretty easy not be bothered by much when you're either not affected or part of the problem yourself...right? Bear in mind, most are in the 0% effective tax bracket.
AND OR
Maybe some of us are actually pretty decent people whom would like to be able to raise our children in a country that's predominantly made up other decent humans.

nothing but propaganda? the right wing claims we shouldn't ask how much others make (or don't make).