WinterBorn
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one of my co workers lives in atlanta. he's VERY familiar with the ENTIRE debate. he said most of the gov wanted to end them long before delta dropped their nra discounts.i'm amazed, to a point, people are still thinking GA did this ONLY because of delta's cave in to the left.sure. and when you lob in words like "common sense gun control" you'd think that's what they were after.One can implement effective Gun Control without violating the Second Amendment.
The Georgia State Legislature spanked a Corporation-Person for exercising its First Amendment rights. Not good.
This constitutes Corruption, Conspiracy to deprive a Corporate Person of its Civil Rights, and, for those already NRA members, a Conflict of Interest.
An IRS audit of NRA and other contributions to these legislators and their campaigns, upon request by the DOJ, seems to be in order.
Adding a charge of Bribery sounds like great fun.
now you see a full scale assault on semi-automatics in general. near as i can figure they're doing this now because they can't differentiate the "assault rifle" from a hunting rifle, mini 14 or anything else by actual characteristics other than "gosh that looks mean". and that is even MORE subjective than "common sense".
if you want to meet in the middle and figure this out - you simply cannot:
1) lie about green tipped ammo
2) get caught running guns to mexico illegally, as if there's a legal way
3) say things like "due process is killing us" (and yes trump pissed me off when he said they'd get around to it second)
4) can't define what it is you wish to ban so you keep making shit up
5) the media constantly lies about guns and what is happening and willfully portrays these guns in a much worse light originally not thought possible. i've seen an AR-15 "pulsing" on CNN. PULSING. they simply do not do that.
6) the media also adds pictures of grenade launchers to the shooters guns to lie and magnify
and now that trump is trying to fix background checks (biggest thing we can do now) what is the left doing? well, not taking a first positive step, no. they're going to war on gun owners.
which on it's own makes less sense than tits on a nun.
so instead of doing what we can, or talking about police substations in schools and looking to redesign them to better control access, they are now talking about bullet speeds and ballistics.
this from a group that doesn't realize magazines are re-usable and it took a good 8 years to realize the AR-15 was NOT fully automatic.
so what do we control when the left is out of control on what to do and how to define what they want, other than all guns taken away in the end OF WHICH they giggle when you tell them that's what they want?
meeting in the middle is getting over your hate for trump and working with him on what we can do to improve background checks and shared information about people. looking into drugs kids are given to "treat" the common symptoms of growing up. you know, looking at fixing the actual problem.
not looking to get rid of guns of which they deny.
you figure out how to work with that type of extreme mentality that stomps their feet and goes on useless protests when they don't get their way, let me know. til then trump is going to do what he feels is right and hey, at least he's trying to do something. obama never did.
If you want to blast the left for their lies in their efforts at gun control, I have no problem with it.
But the topic of this thread is the GA senate overstepping its bounds and using the tax system to punish a private company for a minor decision.
the lt gov did grandstand and dogged on delta. right or wrong such activity is expected in a heightened time we are in right now. but when the tax breaks were given initially many already didn't like it. now that the *need* for them (recession, trying to get ALL airlines there to help keep employee jobs) has come to a conclusion the taxes were going away anyway.
everyone is caught up in the hype and don't actually review the real issue overall. gator did initially and while i don't totally agree with him on the symantec's, he is right that the core of the issue is the lt gov making it an issue about delta when it never was.
everyone seems to be of the mindset that this is JUST delta and ONLY BECAUSE of the nra crap.
all the other talk is just bullshit caught up in misconceptions so forgive me if i stray a bit while others around me do as well (hi jillian - you little insult machine you!) you only decide to call me out on it.
The Gov and Lt Gov were in favor of the tax exemption. You are correct that the exemption was for all airlines flying out of Atlanta.
But you are wrong that this was about anything but the issue between Delta and the NRA.
from: Georgia's lieutenant governor threatens to retaliate against Delta unless it reverses its decision on the NRA
"Georgia's lieutenant governor, Casey Cagle, said he would not support a bill that would give Delta a massive tax break unless the airline reversed its decision on Saturday to end its partnership with the National Rifle Association."
"In response, Casey Cagle, who is running for governor as a Republican this year, tweeted on Monday that he would block any legislation that includes tax benefits for Delta until the airline renewed the partnership."
So the tax exemption would have gone thru if Delta had renewed its relationship with the NRA. That pretty much shoots down the idea that it was about removing tax exemptions for corporations.
so i can listen to someone i know and trust who lives there and understands the story from years of experience and perspectives, or someone i rarely see cause they're on ignore due to past bullshit they cite.
give me a minute, this is a tough call.
I live in Atlanta. The fuel tax exemptions were rescinded in 2015. The new bill, which includes the fuel tax exemption for Delta (and all other airlines flying out of Atlanta), was fully supported by Gov Deal and by Lt Gov Cagle. At least until Delta broke with the NRA. Then, and only then, was the fuel tax exemption in jeopardy. And the bill WITH the tax exemptions passed the House and was expected to pass the Senate. And the democrats only control 1/3 of the votes in the GA Senate and House. So the fact that the bill passed meant republicans favored it before they didn't.
Also, Gov Deal is still trying to get the fuel tax added back to the bill before he signs it. He has said he will sign it either way, but wants the fuel tax exemptions in the bill.
As for your friend saying "...most of the gov wanted to end them long before delta dropped their nra discounts.", how did the bill pass the GA House if that is so? It is only 1/3 democrat, remember?
So the idea that this has anything to do with anything but the Delta/NRA squabble is nonsense.