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LMAO.Show me defending any mass murderer, you fuckin' uninformed lil' Moonbat.What's moronic is you two defending mass murderers and assault weapons with no background check or limitations. Hope nobody you know and love ever gets in the path of one of these psychos.
And, show us all where an automatic weapon was used to murder those children.
I mean, you're using those poor kids in a despicible way to advance your BS agenda, so, show the fucking proof, or simply stfu with your phoney liberal Drama Queen garbage.
There is something seriously wrong with you.
To even start that conversation, you need to knock off the BS, and give the total population ratios of the countries you're comparing.Every other country treats drug addiction like a medical problem.
We treat it like criminal one, which is why we lock up 2 million people and Germany locks up 78,000.
So again, I keep asking you guys... if prisons and guns make us safer, why is it that countries with a lot less prisons and guns have lower crime rates?
(Not that I expect an answer that doesn't involve moaning "Socialism" and "If you don't love America, leave!" )
You've already started off with typical loony lib strawman garbage.
too many guns.
too much income inequality
A prison industrial Complex that makes a profit off of prisons
treating addiction like a criminal problem
too many guns.
too much income inequality
A prison industrial Complex that makes a profit off of prisons
treating addiction like a criminal problem
Translated:
disarm your protection against me
feed me
don't punish my crimes
let me get high
To even start that conversation, you need to knock off the BS, and give the total population ratios of the countries you're comparing.Every other country treats drug addiction like a medical problem.
We treat it like criminal one, which is why we lock up 2 million people and Germany locks up 78,000.
So again, I keep asking you guys... if prisons and guns make us safer, why is it that countries with a lot less prisons and guns have lower crime rates?
(Not that I expect an answer that doesn't involve moaning "Socialism" and "If you don't love America, leave!" )
You've already started off with typical loony lib strawman garbage.
Actually, my numbers are pretty solid.
The US has a population of 308 million- and we lock up 2.1 million people. For every 146 Americans, we have one prisoner. (We also have another 7 million on probation and parole, and we wonder why we are going broke.)
Germany has a population of 80 million, and they only lock up 78,000. So for every 1078 Germans, they find one bad enough to lock up.
Japan (where they had a whopping 11 gun murders a year) has a population of 110 million, and they only lock up 69,000. So only one out of 1600 or so Japanese are bad enough to lock up.
So again, I got to ask what are we doing wrong.
Joe's short list.
too many guns.
too much income inequality
A prison industrial Complex that makes a profit off of prisons
treating addiction like a criminal problem
translation-
"you're hateful and angry"
"you're hateful and angry"
"you're hateful and angry"
"you're hateful and angry"
And I totally understand it. Was for a long time, watching the nice middle class lifestyle my dad had slip through the fingers of my generation. And I used to buy into the Hate Radio bullshit that government or poor people were to blame, and not the big corporations that are the true cause of all the problems.
Follow the money. Whether it be a Gun Industry making profits selling Military Guns to crazy people or A Prison Industry locking people up for non-violent offenses, it's all about who is making money.
Because the wealthy don't have to deal with the problems they cause.
agreed that socio-economic problems can lead to violence...
disagree with you about most of the causes...
main cause, imho, is the federal government's programs intended to help the poor that inadvertently encourage lower-income women to have children out of wedlock...
which has led to such women, in order to maximize benefits, to have more children than they can reasonably raise properly... and also, in order to maximize benefits, to remain single... i.e., keep the fathers out of the picture...
other main cause is the toll taken on lower-income folks by the War on Drugs... locking up otherwise good people from lower-income backgrounds... often for ridiculously long periods... and often providing little in the way of training for marketable skills needed when released...
translation-
"you're hateful and angry"
"you're hateful and angry"
"you're hateful and angry"
"you're hateful and angry"
And I totally understand it. Was for a long time, watching the nice middle class lifestyle my dad had slip through the fingers of my generation. And I used to buy into the Hate Radio bullshit that government or poor people were to blame, and not the big corporations that are the true cause of all the problems.
Follow the money. Whether it be a Gun Industry making profits selling Military Guns to crazy people or A Prison Industry locking people up for non-violent offenses, it's all about who is making money.
Because the wealthy don't have to deal with the problems they cause.
Yes I know. It is someone elses fault.
Dad begat yet another generation.
agreed that socio-economic problems can lead to violence...
disagree with you about most of the causes...
main cause, imho, is the federal government's programs intended to help the poor that inadvertently encourage lower-income women to have children out of wedlock...
which has led to such women, in order to maximize benefits, to have more children than they can reasonably raise properly... and also, in order to maximize benefits, to remain single... i.e., keep the fathers out of the picture...
other main cause is the toll taken on lower-income folks by the War on Drugs... locking up otherwise good people from lower-income backgrounds... often for ridiculously long periods... and often providing little in the way of training for marketable skills needed when released...
I think our welfare system is severely flawed and rewards a lot of bad behavior. That is actually a valid argument. But the "Welfare Queen" has been a myth since Reagan first proposed it in 1980. For most, welfare is a layover, and most baby-mamas have kids because that's the only way to get your hooks into a guy.
The thing is, the right has been talking about "Workfare" since the 1970's, and they never attempt to implement it.
What's moronic is you two defending mass murderers and assault weapons with no background check or limitations. Hope nobody you know and love ever gets in the path of one of these psychos.
If they did I wouldn't call for the disarmament in any fashion of the law abiding.
Most of my family in the path of one the psychos, the psycho has very good chance of ending up dead.
Maybe your family will be protected from a psycho by someone like them.
What's moronic is you two defending mass murderers and assault weapons with no background check or limitations. Hope nobody you know and love ever gets in the path of one of these psychos.
If they did I wouldn't call for the disarmament in any fashion of the law abiding.
Most of my family in the path of one the psychos, the psycho has very good chance of ending up dead.
Maybe your family will be protected from a psycho by someone like them.
No they wouldn't end up dead because you wouldn't be carrying a weapon to an event such as the movie theater, your child's school, a political gathering.
These psychos are the only ones with guns and the guns always have high capacity clips. Figure out how to get guns out of the hands of the psychopath instead of spouting nonsense such as you just did.
Good grief, keyboard commandos.
And you don't get guns out of the hands of criminals by preventing people like me from owning them.
No, I totally agree.
But if the entire US makes assault weapons illegal, criminals will have problems finding them.
That's you.
There are 300 million more guns out there.
And you don't get guns out of the hands of criminals by preventing people like me from owning them.
Unless you are crazy, a terrorist or a criminal..or you want military weapons..
You have nothing to worry about.
Yeah she was spared so she could be instrumental in leaving law abiding citizens defenseless in the face of violence.
And btw owning a weapon does not make one evil.
And you don't get guns out of the hands of criminals by preventing people like me from owning them.
We don't really know what kind of person you are.
But, we can take steps to help prevent the bad apples from obtaining guns without keeping them from law-abiding, responsible people. Background checks for every gun purchase is a good example.
That's the point, man.
The NRA blocked the government from getting accurate stats on gun deaths.
Bullshit.
This and this are both perfectly valid and up to date enough for a high degree of accuracy in the determination of gun deaths per capita in the United States today. They're also the sources used in the Wikipedia article referenced in my earlier post.
Saying that more people are killed by guns in America than in any other country is a bit like saying more people wipe their asses in China than in any other country. It's probably true but no less misleading in the gun debate than using the latter in support of the claim that butt-wiping is more socially prevalent in China than anywhere else.
You can go "bullshit" all you want.
I linked 2 articles. And from major new organizations.
That's basically the best I can do.
So you can choose to believe them or not.
Anyone who really knows guns will tell you that a shotgun is the best weapon to protect your home. The shot will probably not penetrate your walls and kill your kid. A person using a semi-automatic gun with 30 rounds is more likely to hit an innocent person, than he is to hit someone who is firing at him. Police hit only 18% of the people who they aim to kill. They shot 9 innocent bystanders at the Empire State Building shooting. Limiting the magazine size, and requiring registration and back ground checks for all gun buyers is perfectly reasonable. In a saner society, like much of Europe, this would have been in place decades ago. The government requires that I demostrate my proficentcy to drive, before I am granted a license, and I must register ever vehicle I own. I do not consider such laws to limit my freedom.
Those that are convinced that the government is going to take their guns away are cranks, who are probably on the verge of moving to Waco to fight tanks with AR-15's. I don't even consider that worthy of discussion.
