Glenn Beck is not fooling around anymore, he is attempting to incite violence

[Vast LWC]

Thats 1/100 in the Senate.

And the Senate is only part of the Legislative branch, is it not?

 

[Vast LWC]

Glenn spent all 8 years of the administration ripping President Bush a new one when he disagreed with him.

Oh you mean they never showed that on Olberfuhrer's program?

No, he means they never showed that on BECK's program.

 

[Vast LWC]

oh, of that i'm sure
and i highly doubt Beck supported the PA
or TARP
or most of the other crazy spending that was done
but i dont have any proof

Which is the reason the Republicans conveniently got Bush to take all the blame for those programs.

He was already unpopular, and on his way out. It was easy for republicans to distance themselves from Bush after the fact.

And you thought no-one noticed.... LOL.

 

[DiveCon]

No, no no.

Now, I see where you are coming from, but, the president has the power of the Veto, and now the power of the Line-Item-Veto. He has much more power than each individual member of congress, as any decision they make individually can be negated by the decisions of any of the other 535 members of congress.

uh, line item veto(the way it was done) was ruled unconstutional by SCOTUS and removed

Except that Bush effectively revived it in Executive Order 13457, "Protecting American Taxpayers From Government Spending on Wasteful Earmarks".

Check it out here:

Executive Order 13457 - Wikisource

that doesnt look like a line item veto to me
more like the executive refusing to spend earmarked money

 

[Vast LWC]

You know, even after all this, I still haven't seen anything showing Beck called for people to physically assault anyone.

i think that has been fairly well debunked
he never did

Yep, in whatever bizarro world you live in where I actually said Beck said "Go Physically assault someone".

Of course, you all know exactly what I mean in this thread, you're just being willfully dense to protect your boy Beck. I understand. Lot's of people did it for Clinton back in the day too.

"Party over country", right?

I mean, I'm not that kind of guy, but I see you all are.

 

[DiveCon]

oh, of that i'm sure
and i highly doubt Beck supported the PA
or TARP
or most of the other crazy spending that was done
but i dont have any proof

Which is the reason the Republicans conveniently got Bush to take all the blame for those programs.

He was already unpopular, and on his way out. It was easy for republicans to distance themselves from Bush after the fact.

And you thought no-one noticed.... LOL.

actually, there were a lot of republicans that had issues with those programs BEFORE they were passed
myself included

 

[Vast LWC]

uh, line item veto(the way it was done) was ruled unconstutional by SCOTUS and removed

Except that Bush effectively revived it in Executive Order 13457, "Protecting American Taxpayers From Government Spending on Wasteful Earmarks".

Check it out here:

Executive Order 13457 - Wikisource

that doesnt look like a line item veto to me
more like the executive refusing to spend earmarked money

Do you know what a "Line-Item-Veto" is?

 

[DiveCon]

You know, even after all this, I still haven't seen anything showing Beck called for people to physically assault anyone.

i think that has been fairly well debunked
he never did

Yep, in whatever bizarro world you live in where I actually said Beck said "Go Physically assault someone".

Of course, you all know exactly what I mean in this thread, you're just being willfully dense to protect your boy Beck. I understand. Lot's of people did it for Clinton back in the day too.

"Party over country", right?

I mean, I'm not that kind of guy, but I see you all are.

no, you have shown that you ARE that guy
you dont have ANY problems with what the dems are doing right now

 

[DiveCon]

Except that Bush effectively revived it in Executive Order 13457, "Protecting American Taxpayers From Government Spending on Wasteful Earmarks".

Check it out here:

Executive Order 13457 - Wikisource

that doesnt look like a line item veto to me
more like the executive refusing to spend earmarked money

Do you know what a "Line-Item-Veto" is?

yes
its actually vetoing the actual item not just refusing to spend the money approprriated

 

[Vast LWC]

no, you have shown that you ARE that guy
you dont have ANY problems with what the dems are doing right now

And I didn't have any problems with it when they told people they were going to do these things during the campaign either.

Haven't changed one iota. I support a public health care option now, for instance, just like I supported it when they made campaign promises to make it happen.

yes
its actually vetoing the actual item not just refusing to spend the money approprriated

You say tomato, I say line-item-veto...

In the end, it's the exact same thing.

 

[Intense]

Thats 1/100 in the Senate.

And the Senate is only part of the Legislative branch, is it not?

So is the Supreme Court, outside of their Enumerated Powers.

 

[Vast LWC]

actually, there were a lot of republicans that had issues with those programs BEFORE they were passed
myself included

Yet, surprisingly, all of it went through, with Bush leading the way.

And true to form, all the Republicans, including the presidential candidate, then tried to distance themselves from an unpopular president, pointing out the programs in question.

And so did Glenn Beck.

Thus my point. He only turned on President Bush when it was politically expedient to do so, along with all the rest of his right-wing buddies.

 

[HUGGY]

Thats 1/100 in the Senate.

And the Senate is only part of the Legislative branch, is it not?

So is the Supreme Court, outside of their Enumerated Powers.

They gave us a Bush presidency..that was sweet!

 

[Vast LWC]

And the Senate is only part of the Legislative branch, is it not?

So is the Supreme Court, outside of their Enumerated Powers.

They gave us a Bush presidency..that was sweet!

Which certainly was NOT part of their "Enumerated Powers".

I'm still trying to figure out how all the conservative "traditionalists" rationalized that little gem as being "Constitutional".

Talk about "Activist Judges"!

 

[Intense]

So is the Supreme Court, outside of their Enumerated Powers.

They gave us a Bush presidency..that was sweet!

Which certainly was NOT part of their "Enumerated Powers".

I'm still trying to figure out how all the conservative "traditionalists" rationalized that little gem as being "Constitutional".

Talk about "Activist Judges"!

You appear like a blind man throwing stones. Gotta get past that hate.

 

[Intense]

And the Senate is only part of the Legislative branch, is it not?

So is the Supreme Court, outside of their Enumerated Powers.

They gave us a Bush presidency..that was sweet!

No they didn't.

Florida Votes were counted how many times?

The Constitution would have put the decision to the House, Bush would have carried that.

The Florida Supreme Court over stepped it's powers, even it's own chief justice opposing it.

Your days of obtaining concession by whining are done. We are paying attention now.


Glen is doing a great job today, huh... Radio show went well this morning, TV show going great as we speak. I think that his tie clashes with his suit though. Tie stripes and suit stripes clash. Do you think that there might be a subliminal message inciting violence there? Michele Malkin is hot huh.

 

[HUGGY]

So is the Supreme Court, outside of their Enumerated Powers.

They gave us a Bush presidency..that was sweet!

No they didn't.

Florida Votes were counted how many times?

The Constitution would have put the decision to the House, Bush would have carried that.

The Florida Supreme Court over stepped it's powers, even it's own chief justice opposing it.

Your days of obtaining concession by whining are done. We are paying attention now.


Glen is doing a great job today, huh... Radio show went well this morning, TV show going great as we speak. I think that his tie clashes with his suit though. Tie stripes and suit stripes clash. Do you think that there might be a subliminal message inciting violence there? Michele Malkin is hot huh.

I have known you as a backwards neo con but true to the form of your kind you have exposed what makes me most hateful ...the lying...the baldfaced lying.

Go fuck your self you stinking lying piece of shit. Now read...

Bush v. Gore
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Bush v. Gore

Supreme Court of the United States
Argued December 11, 2000
Decided December 12, 2000
Full case name George W. Bush and Richard Cheney, Petitioners v. Albert Gore, Jr., et al.
Docket nos. 00-949
Citations 531 U.S. 98 (more)
121 S. Ct. 525; 148 L. Ed. 2d 388; 2000 U.S. LEXIS 8430; 69 U.S.L.W. 4029; 2000 Cal. Daily Op. Service 9879; 2000 Colo. J. C.A.R. 6606; 14 Fla. L. Weekly Fed. S 26
Prior history On writ of certiorari to the Florida Supreme Court
Subsequent history Florida Supreme Court decision reversed and case remanded to that court
Argument Oral argument
Holding
In the circumstances of this case, any manual recount of votes seeking to meet the December 12 “safe harbor” deadline would be unconstitutional under the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
Court membership
Chief Justice
William Rehnquist

Associate Justices
John P. Stevens · Sandra Day O'Connor
Antonin Scalia · Anthony Kennedy
David Souter · Clarence Thomas
Ruth Bader Ginsburg · Stephen Breyer

Case opinions
Per curiam.
Concurrence Rehnquist, joined by Scalia, Thomas
Dissent Stevens, joined by Ginsburg, Breyer
Dissent Souter, joined by Breyer; Stevens, Ginsburg (all but part C)
Dissent Ginsburg, joined by Stevens; Souter, Breyer (part I)
Dissent Breyer, joined by Stevens, Ginsburg (except part I-A-1); Souter (part I)
Laws applied
U.S. Const. art. II, amend. XIV; 3 U.S.C. § 5
Bush v. Gore, 531 U.S. 98 (2000), is a landmark United States Supreme Court case decided on December 12, 2000. The case effectively resolved the 2000 presidential election in favor of George W. Bush. Only eight days earlier, the United States Supreme Court had unanimously decided the closely related case of Bush v. Palm Beach County Canvassing Board, 531 U.S. 70 (2000), and only three days earlier, had preliminarily halted the recount that was occurring in Florida.

In a per curiam decision, the Court in Bush v. Gore ruled that the Florida Supreme Court's method for recounting ballots was a violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The Court also ruled that no alternative method could be established within the time limits set by the State of Florida. Three concurring justices also asserted that the Florida Supreme Court had violated Article II, § 1, cl. 2 of the Constitution, by misinterpreting Florida election law that had been enacted by the Florida Legislature.

The decision allowed Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris's previous certification of George W. Bush as the winner of Florida's electoral votes to stand. Florida's 25 electoral votes gave Bush, the Republican candidate, 271 electoral votes, defeating Democratic candidate Al Gore, who ended up with 266 electoral votes (with one D.C. elector abstaining). A majority (270) of the electoral votes is needed to win the Presidency or Vice Presidency in the Electoral College.

Contents [hide]
1 Background
2 Stay of the Florida recount
3 Rapid developments
4 Relevant law
5 Issues considered by the Court
5.1 Equal Protection Clause
5.2 Remedy
5.3 Article II
6 Vote breakdown and opinions
6.1 Equal Protection Clause
6.2 Remedy
6.3 Article II
7 Commentary
7.1 Scholarly analyses of the critical remedial issue
7.2 Scholarly analyses of other aspects of the decision
7.3 The Dred Scott comparison
8 See also
9 Notes and references
10 External links



[edit] Background
See also: Electoral College (United States) and United States presidential election, 2000
The Presidential election in question took place November 7, 2000. Under the Electoral College system, each state conducts its own popular election for President and Vice President. The voters are actually voting for a slate of "electors", each of whom pledged to vote for a particular candidate for each office, in the Electoral College. The Constitution (Article 2, Section 1, Clause 2) provides that each state legislature decides how electors are chosen. Early in U.S. history, most state legislatures directly appointed the slate of electors for each of their respective states. Today, state legislatures have enacted laws to provide for the selection of electors by popular vote within each state. While the laws vary between the states, in most states, including Florida, the candidate for either office who receives the most popular votes (not necessarily a majority) in a state receives all of that state's electoral votes for that office (Maine and Nebraska are notable exceptions to this winner-take-all system). A candidate who receives a majority of the electoral votes (270 in the 2000 election) wins the Presidential or Vice Presidential election.

On November 8, 2000, the Florida Division of Elections reported that Bush won with 48.8% of the vote, a margin of victory of 1,784 votes.[1] The margin of victory was less than 0.5% of the votes cast, so a statutorily-mandated[2] automatic machine recount occurred. On November 10, with the machine recount finished in all but one county, Bush's margin of victory had decreased to 327.[3] Florida's election laws[4] allow a candidate to request a county to conduct a manual recount, and Gore requested manual recounts in four Florida counties: Volusia, Palm Beach, Broward and Miami-Dade, which happen to be counties that traditionally vote Democratic and would be expected to garner more votes for Gore. Gore did not, however, request any recounts in counties that traditionally vote Republican. The four counties granted the request and began manual recounts. However, Florida law also required all counties to certify their election returns to the Florida Secretary of State within seven days of the election,[5] and several of the counties conducting manual recounts did not believe they could meet this deadline. On November 14, the statutory deadline, the Florida Circuit Court ruled that the seven-day deadline was mandatory, but that the counties could amend their returns at a later date. The court also ruled that the Secretary, after "considering all attendant facts and circumstances," had discretion to include any late amended returns in the statewide certification.[6] Prior to the 5 p.m. deadline on November 14, Volusia County completed its manual recount and certified its results. At 5 p.m. on November 14, Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris announced that she was in receipt of the certified returns from all 67 counties, while Palm Beach, Broward, and Miami-Dade counties were still conducting manual recounts.[7]

Harris issued a set of criteria[1] by which she would determine whether to allow late filings, and she required any county seeking to make a late filing to submit to her, by 2 p.m. the following day, a written statement of the facts and circumstances justifying the late filing. Four counties submitted statements, and after reviewing the submissions Harris determined that none justified an extension of the filing deadline. She further announced that after she received the certified returns of the overseas absentee ballots from each county, she would certify the results of the presidential election on Sunday, November 26, 2000.[1] On that date, she certified Bush the winner and litigation ensued.


[edit] Stay of the Florida recount
By December 8, 2000, there had been multiple court decisions regarding the Florida presidential election[8] and on that date the Florida Supreme Court, by a 4-3 vote, ordered a statewide manual recount.[9] On December 9, the U.S. Supreme Court stayed the Florida recount, by a 5–4 vote, because, according to Justice Scalia:

It suffices to say that the issuance of the stay suggests that a majority of the Court, while not deciding the issues presented, believe that the petitioner has a substantial probability of success. The issue is not, as the dissent puts it, whether "[c]ounting every legally cast vote ca[n] constitute irreparable harm." One of the principal issues in the appeal we have accepted is precisely whether the votes that have been ordered to be counted are, under a reasonable interpretation of Florida law, "legally cast vote." The counting of votes that are of questionable legality does in my view threaten irreparable harm to petitioner Bush, and to the country, by casting a cloud upon what he claims to be the legitimacy of his election. Count first, and rule upon legality afterwards, is not a recipe for producing election results that have the public acceptance democratic stability requires.[10]

The dissenters opined: "Counting every legally cast vote cannot constitute irreparable harm... Preventing the recount from being completed will inevitably cast a cloud on the legitimacy of the election."[11] The four dissenting justices argued that stopping the recount was an "unwise[]" violation of "three venerable rules of judicial restraint", namely respecting the opinions of state supreme courts, cautiously exercising jurisdiction when "another branch of the Federal Government" has a large measure of responsibility to resolve the issue, and avoiding making peremptory conclusions on federal constitution law prior to a full presentation on the issue.

[edit] Rapid developments
The oral argument in Bush v. Gore occurred on December 11.[12] Theodore Olson, a Washington, D.C. lawyer and future Solicitor General, delivered Bush's oral argument and New York lawyer David Boies argued for Gore.

During the brief period when the U.S. Supreme Court was deliberating Bush v. Gore, the Florida Supreme Court provided clarifications[13] which the U.S. Supreme Court had requested on December 4 in the case of Bush v. Palm Beach County Canvassing Board, 531 U.S. 70 (2000). Because of the extraordinary nature and urgency of the case, the U.S. Supreme Court issued its opinion in Bush v. Gore on December 12, less than a day after hearing oral argument.


[edit] Relevant law
The Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, on which the decision in Bush v. Gore was based,[14] states:

No State shall ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Article II, § 1, cl. 2 specifies the number of electors per state, and, most relevant to this case,[15] specifies the manner in which those electors are selected, stipulating that:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors...

This clause arguably gives power to only one branch of Florida's state government (i.e., the state legislature).

The most important statute in this case was 3 U.S.C. § 5, which regulates the "determination of controversy as to appointment of electors"[16] in Presidential elections. Of particular relevance[15] to this case was the so-called "safe harbor" provision, which allows states to appoint their electors without Congressional interference if done by a specified deadline:

If any State shall have provided ... for its final determination of ... the appointment of all or any of the electors of such State ... at least six days before the time fixed for the meeting of the electors, such determination ... shall be conclusive.[17]

Since the electors were set to meet December 18, the "safe harbor" deadline was December 12, just one day after the Court heard oral arguments in this case.

According to 28 U.S.C. § 1257:

Final judgments or decrees rendered by the highest court of a State in which a decision could be had, may be reviewed by the Supreme Court by writ of certiorari where the validity of a treaty or statute of the United States is drawn in question or where the validity of a statute of any State is drawn in question on the ground of its being repugnant to the Constitution, treaties, or laws of the United States...


[edit] Issues considered by the Court

Theodore Olson represented BushThe Court had to resolve two different questions to fully resolve the case:

Were the recounts, as they were being conducted, constitutional?[18]
If the recounts were unconstitutional, what is the remedy?[19]
Three days earlier, the five-Justice majority had ordered the recount stopped[20] and the Court had to decide whether to re-start it.


[edit] Equal Protection Clause
Bush argued that the recounts in Florida violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, because there was no statewide standard that each county board could use to determine whether a given ballot was a legal vote. Each county used its own standard to manually recount each vote, and Bush argued some counties would have more lax standards than other counties. Therefore, two voters could have marked their ballot in an identical manner, but one voter's ballot in one county would be counted while the other voter's ballot in a different county would be rejected, due to the varying standards used for manual recounts.[21]

Gore argued that there was indeed a statewide standard, the "intent of the voter" standard, and that this standard was sufficient under the Equal Protection Clause.[22] Furthermore, Gore argued that the consequence of ruling the Florida recount unconstitutional simply because it treated different voters differently would effectively render every state election unconstitutional[23] and that each method has a different rate of error in counting votes. A voter in a "punch-card" county has a greater chance of having his vote undercounted than a voter in an "optical scanner" county. If Bush wins, Gore argued, every state would have to have one statewide method of recording votes in order to be constitutional.


[edit] Remedy

David Boies represented GoreThis was the most closely decided issue in the case. The arguments presented by counsel did not extensively address what the Court should do, if the Court were to find an Equal Protection violation. However, Gore did argue briefly that the appropriate remedy would be to not cancel all recounts, but rather would be to order a proper recount.[24]


[edit] Article II
Bush also argued that the Florida Supreme Court's ruling violated Article II, § 1, cl. 2 of the U.S. Constitution. Essentially, Bush argued that the Florida Supreme Court's interpretation of Florida law was so erroneous that their ruling had the effect of making new law. Since this "new law" had not been directed by the Florida legislature, it violated Article II. However, Bush argued that Article II gives the federal judiciary the power to interpret state election law for itself to ensure that the intent of the state legislature is followed.[25]

Gore argued that Article II presupposes judicial review and interpretation of state statutes, and that the Florida Supreme Court did nothing more than exercise the routine principles of statutory construction in order to reach its decision.[26]


[edit] Vote breakdown and opinions
In brief, the breakdown of the decisions was:

Seven justices (the five Justice majority plus Breyer and Souter) agreed that there was an Equal Protection Clause violation in using different standards of counting in different counties.
Five justices agreed that December 12 (the date of the decision) was the deadline Florida had established for recounts (Kennedy, O'Connor, Rehnquist,[27] Scalia and Thomas in support; Breyer,[28] Ginsburg, Souter[29] and Stevens opposed). Justices Breyer and Souter wanted to remand the case to the Florida Supreme Court to permit that court to establish uniform standards of what constituted a legal vote and then manually recount all ballots using those standards.
Three justices (Rehnquist, Scalia and Thomas) agreed that the Florida Supreme Court had acted contrary to the intent of the Florida legislature. Justices Kennedy and O'Connor did not reach this issue.

[edit] Equal Protection Clause
The Supreme Court ruled 7–2 that the Florida Supreme Court's decision, calling for a statewide recount, violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The Court stated that the Equal Protection clause guarantees individuals that their ballots cannot be devalued by "later arbitrary and disparate treatment". Even if the recount was fair in theory, it was unfair in practice. The record suggested that different standards were seemingly applied to the recount from ballot to ballot, precinct to precinct, and county to county.

According to the per curiam opinion, the statewide standard (that a "legal vote" is "one in which there is a 'clear indication of the intent of the voter'"[30]) could not guarantee that each county would count the votes in a constitutionally permissible fashion. The per curiam opinion stated that its applicability was "limited to the present circumstances, for the problem of equal protection in election processes generally presents many complexities."


[edit] Remedy
The Court ruled 5–4 that no constitutionally valid recount could be completed by a December 12 "safe harbor" deadline. The Court asserted that "the Supreme Court of Florida has said that the legislature intended the State's electors to 'participat[e] fully in the federal electoral process,' as provided in 3 U.S.C. § 5." The Court therefore effectively ended the election, because "the Florida Legislature intended to obtain the safe-harbor benefits of 3 U. S. C. §5."

Four justices (Justices Stevens, Ginsburg, Souter and Breyer) dissented as to stopping the recount. The four dissenters invoked the principle of fairness. The actual counting had ended with the December 9 injunction issued by the same five-justice majority, three days before any deadline.[20] However, two of those four dissenters (i.e. Justices Breyer and Souter) acknowledged that the counting up until December 9 had not conformed with Equal Protection requirements.

The dissenting opinions were notable for their unusually harsh treatment of the majority. Justice Stevens' dissent (joined by Justices Breyer and Ginsburg) concluded as follows:[31]

What must underlie petitioners' entire federal assault on the Florida election procedures is an unstated lack of confidence in the impartiality and capacity of the state judges who would make the critical decisions if the vote count were to proceed. Otherwise, their position is wholly without merit. The endorsement of that position by the majority of this Court can only lend credence to the most cynical appraisal of the work of judges throughout the land. It is confidence in the men and women who administer the judicial system that is the true backbone of the rule of law. Time will one day heal the wound to that confidence that will be inflicted by today's decision. One thing, however, is certain. Although we may never know with complete certainty the identity of the winner of this year's Presidential election, the identity of the loser is perfectly clear. It is the Nation's confidence in the judge as an impartial guardian of the rule of law.

The per curiam opinion in Bush v. Gore did not technically dismiss the case, and instead "remanded for further proceedings not inconsistent with this opinion." Gore's attorneys therefore understood that they could fight on, and could petition the Florida Supreme Court to repudiate the notion that December 12 was final under Florida law.[32] Gore was not optimistic about how the Florida justices would react to further arguments, and in any event "the best Gore could hope for was a slate of disputed electors", as one of his advisers put it.[32] So, Gore dropped the case. On remand, the Florida Supreme Court issued an opinion on December 22, 2000 that did not dispute whether December 12 was the deadline for recounts under state law.[33]

[edit] Article II
Chief Justice Rehnquist's concurring opinion, joined by Justices Scalia and Thomas, began by emphasizing that this was an unusual case in which the Constitution requires federal courts to assess whether a state supreme court has properly interpreted the will of the state legislature. Usually, federal courts do not make that type of assessment, and indeed the per curiam opinion in this case did not do so. After addressing this aspect of the case, Rehnquist examined and agreed with arguments that had been made by the dissenting justices of the Florida Supreme Court.


[edit] Commentary
Bush v. Gore prompted many strong reactions from scholars, pundits and others over what the Court had done.


[edit] Scholarly analyses of the critical remedial issue
The most closely decided aspect of the case was the key question of what remedy the Court should order, in view of an Equal Protection Clause violation. Gore had argued for a new recount that would pass constitutional muster, but the Court instead chose to end the election, asserting that “the Florida Supreme Court has said that the Florida Legislature intended to obtain the safe-harbor benefits of 3 U. S. C. §5.” This last assertion by the 5–4 Bush v. Gore majority has proven very controversial.

Michael W. McConnell has written that the U.S Supreme Court "may have reached the right result for the wrong reason."[34] McConnell points to the Florida Supreme Court's December 11 opinion, which characterized December 12 as an "outside deadline". Here is the pertinent excerpt from the December 11 opinion of the Florida Supreme Court:[13]

What is a reasonable time required for completion will, in part, depend on whether the election is for a statewide office, for a federal office or for presidential electors. In the case of the presidential election, the determination of reasonableness must be circumscribed by the provisions of 3 U.S.C. § 5, which sets December 12, 2000 as the date for final determination of any state's dispute concerning its electors in order for that determination to be given conclusive effect in Congress... As always, it is necessary to read all provisions of the elections code in pari materia. In this case, that comprehensive reading required that there be time for an elections contest pursuant to section 102.168, which all parties had agreed was a necessary component of the statutory scheme and to accommodate the outside deadline set forth in 3 U.S.C. § 5 of December 12, 2000.

On the other hand, according to Nelson Lund, one might argue that the Florida Supreme Court was discussing the "protest provisions of the Florida Election Code, whereas the issues in Bush v. Gore arose under the contest provisions."[35] Likewise, Peter Berkowitz has written that, "Perhaps it would have been more generous for the Court to have asked the Florida court on remand whether 'outside deadline' referred to contest-period as well as protest-period recounts."[36] Abner Green has pointed to evidence that "the Florida Supreme Court thought all manual recounts – whether protest or contest – must be completed no later than December 12."[37] Nevertheless, Greene concluded that, "lack of clarity about the Florida Supreme Court’s views on the safe-harbor provision should have resulted in a remand to that court for clarification,"[37] in addition to the remand of December 4.[38] The Court in Bush v. Gore did remand the case instead of dismissing it, but the remand did not include another request for clarification.

[edit] Scholarly analyses of other aspects of the decision
Part of the reason recounts could not be completed was the various stoppages ordered by the various branches and levels of the judiciary, most notably the Supreme Court itself.[39] Opponents argued that it was improper for the Court (by the same 5 Justices who joined the per curiam opinion) to grant a stay that preliminarily stopped the recounts based on the possibility of irreparable harm and success on the merits.[40] Supporters of the stay — such as Charles Fried — contend that the validity of the stay was vindicated by the ultimate decision on the merits and that the only thing that the stay stayed was a recount "being done in an unconstitutional way."[41]

Some of the decision's critics argued that the Court's decision was a perversion of the Equal Protection Clause,[40] and contrary to the political question doctrine.[42] On the other hand, Geoffrey R. Stone has expressed sympathy with the Court's equal protection reasoning, even though Stone was dismayed by what he saw as the sudden and suspect conversion of Justices Rehnquist, Scalia and Thomas to that equal protection principle. According to Stone, "No one familiar with the jurisprudence of Justices Rehnquist, Scalia and Thomas could possibly have imagined that they would vote to invalidate the Florida recount process on the basis of their own well-developed and oft-invoked approach to the Equal Protection Clause."[43]

The dissent of Justice Stevens was criticized by George Mason University School of Law Professor Nelson Lund.[44] Lund said that "[t]he best known passage, which comes from Justice Stevens' dissent, consists of a rhetorical flourish rather than analysis." Conversely, the majority opinion was criticized by Harvard University law professor Alan Dershowitz, who wrote:

[T]he decision in the Florida election case may be ranked as the single most corrupt decision in Supreme Court history, because it is the only one that I know of where the majority justices decided as they did because of the personal identity and political affiliation of the litigants. This was cheating, and a violation of the judicial oath.[45]

Some critics of the decision argue that the majority seemed to seek refuge from their own logic[46] in the following sentence in the majority opinion: "Our consideration is limited to the present circumstances, for the problem of equal protection in election processes generally presents many complexities."[47] The Court's defenders argued that this was a reasonable precaution against the possibility that the decision might be read over-broadly,[48] arguing that in the short time available it would not be appropriate to attempt to craft language spelling out in greater detail how to apply the holding to other cases. Critics, however, interpreted the sentence as stating that the case did not set precedent in any way and could not be used to justify any future court decision, and some suggested that this was evidence the majority realized its holding was untenable.[49] It has been claimed that only conservative Republican Justices ruled against Gore in this case and did so due to their party affiliation.[45] Law professor Ronald Rotunda has responded as follows:

Not only is that claim inconsistent with the position of Justices Breyer and Souter, it is inconsistent with the position of three of the Florida justices who dissented. No Justice on the Florida Supreme Court was a Republican appointee, but three of them concluded that the recount that Vice President Gore wanted was unconstitutional. Three of the seven Florida Supreme Court justices also found an Equal Protection violation when the manual ballot-counters used different procedures to examine identical ballots and count them differently.[50]

There has also been analysis of whether or not several Justices had a conflict of interest that should have forced them to recuse themselves from the decision. Various ethics experts have asserted that there was no conflict of interest for Clarence Thomas or Antonin Scalia.[51] Also, on several occasions, William Rehnquist had expressed interest in retiring under a Republican administration; one study found that press reports "are equivocal on whether facts existed that would have created a conflict of interest" for Rehnquist.[52] At an election night party, Sandra Day O'Connor became upset when the media initially announced that Gore had won Florida, her husband explaining that they would have to wait another four years before retiring to Arizona.[52]

[edit] The Dred Scott comparison
Bill Clinton, who was President of the United States when the decision was made, wrote in his autobiography My Life:

If Gore had been ahead in the vote count and Bush behind, there's not a doubt in my mind that the same Supreme Court would have voted 9 to 0 to [re]count the vote and I would have supported the decision... Bush v. Gore will go down in history as one of the worst decisions the Supreme Court ever made, along with the Dred Scott case.[53]

The Reverend Jesse Jackson also compared Bush v. Gore to Dred Scott.[54] However, Congress of Racial Equality chairman Roy Innis responded that “Dred Scott should not be hustled and prostituted by Jesse Jackson,” while former U.S. Senator Alan K. Simpson (R-WY) called the comparison of Bush v. Gore to Dred Scott “hysterical babble”.[54]

[edit] See also
List of United States Supreme Court cases, volume 531
List of United States presidential elections by Electoral College margin
Electoral Commission (United States)
Gore v. Harris (Harris II)
George W. Bush's first term as President of the United States
Recount, a 2008 HBO movie about the 2000 presidential election and Bush v. Gore case.

[edit] Notes and references
^ a b c Palm Beach County Canvassing Bd. v. Harris, 772 So.2d 1220 (November 21, 2000). Late-filing criteria are at note 5. See The American Presidency Project for other documents related to the 2000 election dispute.
^ See Fla. Stat. § 102.141(4). "The 2000 Florida Statutes, Title IX, Chapter 102, Section 141". statutes->View Statutes->2000->Ch0102->Section 141: Online Sunshine. (This archived version of the Florida statute is dated July 2, 2001 and is from Archive.org.)
^ "Election 2000 Timeline". PG Publishing Co., Inc.. December 17, 2000. Election 2000 Timeline. Retrieved October 28 2006.
^ See Fla. Stat. § 102.166. "The 2000 Florida Statutes, Title IX, Chapter 102, Section 166". statutes->View Statutes->2000->Ch0102->Section 166: Online Sunshine. (This archived version of the Florida statute is dated July 2, 2001 and is from Archive.org.)
^ See Fla. Stat. § 102.112. "The 2000 Florida Statutes, Title IX, Chapter 102, Section 112". statutes->View Statutes->2000->Ch0102->Section 112: Online Sunshine. (This archived version of the Florida statute is dated April 21, 2001 and is from Archive.org.)
^ "Leon County Judge Rules on Certification" (PDF). http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/docs/florida2000/11-14_leonruling.pdf. Retrieved October 28 2006.
^ "Text: Florida Recount Results". Documents Related to the 2000 Election Dispute. Retrieved October 28 2006.
^ For example, the concurring opinion in Bush v. Gore cited the December 6, 2000, decision in Touchston v. McDermott, 234 F.3d 1130 (11th Cir. 2000)
^ Gore v. Harris, 772 S2d 1243 (December 8, 2000)
^ Bush v. Gore on Application for Stay, 531 U.S 1047 (December 9, 2000)
^ Bush v. Gore/Certiorari/Dissent. (2009, April 13). In Wikisource, The Free Library. Retrieved 10:46, May 1, 2009, from Bush v. Gore/Certiorari/Dissent - Wikisource
^ Transcript and audio of oral arguments in Bush v. Gore, via Oyez.org. Retrieved 2008-06-05
^ a b Palm Beach County Canvassing Board v. Harris, 772 S2d 1273 (Fla December 11, 2000).
^ "Bush v. Gore, US Supreme Court Opinion". BUSH v. GORE. "The petition presents the following questions: ... and whether the use of standardless manual recounts violates the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses. With respect to the equal protection question, we find a violation of the Equal Protection Clause." Last paragraph in Part I
^ a b "Bush v. Gore, US Supreme Court Opinion". BUSH v. GORE. "The petition presents the following questions: whether the Florida Supreme Court established new standards for resolving Presidential election contests, thereby violating Art. II, §1, cl. 2, of the United States Constitution and failing to comply with 3 U.S.C. § 5 ..." Last paragraph in Part I.
^ "US CODE: Title 3,5. Determination of controversy as to appointment of electors". US CODE: Title 3,5. Determination of controversy as to appointment of electors. The quote is the title of Section 5, Title 3.
^ "US CODE: Title 3,5. Determination of controversy as to appointment of electors". US CODE: Title 3,5. Determination of controversy as to appointment of electors.
^ Id. "Seven Justices of the Court agree that there are constitutional problems with the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court that demand a remedy." Last paragraph in Part II
^ Id. "The only disagreement is as to the remedy." Last paragraph in Part II
^ a b "Scalia and Stevens clash over recount stay in Bush v. Gore". CNN. 2000-12-11. CNN.com - Scalia and Stevens clash over recount stay in Bush v. Gore - December 10, 2000.
^ "Bush v. Gore, Brief for Petitioners" (PDF). http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/docs/florida2000/12-10_bushbrief.pdf. "The Equal Protection Clause prohibits government officials from implementing an electoral system that gives the votes of similarly situated voters different effect based on the happenstance of the county or district in which those voters live." Paragraph 2 in Argument, Part III-A.
^ "Bush v. Gore, Brief of Respondent" (PDF). http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/docs/florida2000/12-10_gorebrief.pdf. "The court below was quite insistent that the counting of ballots must be governed by a single uniform standard: the intent of the voter must control." Paragraph 3 in Argument, Part III-A
^ Id. "...if petitioners mean to say that all votes must be tabulated under a fixed and mechanical standard (e.g., the “two-corner chad rule”), their approach would render unconstitutional the laws of States that hinge the meaning of the ballot on the intent of the voter..." Paragraph 3 in Argument, Part III-A
^ "Bush v. Gore, Brief of Respondent" (PDF). http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/docs/florida2000/12-10_gorebrief.pdf. “[T]he appropriate remedy for either an Equal Protection Clause or Due Process Clause violation would not be to cancel all recounts, but rather to order that the recounts be undertaken under a uniform standard.” Footnote 28.
^ "Bush v. Gore, Brief for Petitioners" (PDF). http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/docs/florida2000/12-10_bushbrief.pdf. "By rewriting that statutory scheme—thus arrogating to itself the power to decide the manner in which Florida’s electors are chosen—the Florida Supreme Court substituted its judgment for that of the legislature in violation of Article II. Such a usurpation of constitutionally delegated power defies the Framers’ plan." Paragraph 2 in Argument, Part I
^ "Bush v. Gore, Brief of Respondent" (PDF). http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/docs/florida2000/12-10_gorebrief.pdf. "Even apart from the absurd theory that McPherson requires everything relevant to a state’s process for choosing electors to be packed into a specialized presidential electoral code, the very premise of petitioner’s argument is fatally flawed because the Florida Legislature re-enacted the contest statute in 1999 against the settled background rule that decisions of circuit courts in contest actions are subject to appellate review." Paragraph 5 in Argument, Part I
^ "Bush v. Gore, Concurrence, Rehnquist". BUSH v. GORE.
^ "Bush v. Gore, Dissent, Breyer". BUSH v. GORE.
^ "Bush v. Gore, Dissent, Souter". BUSH v. GORE.
^ "Bush v. Gore, US Supreme Court Opinion". BUSH v. GORE. Id. 5th paragraph in Part I
^ "Bush v. Gore, Dissent, Stevens". BUSH v. GORE.
^ a b Political Staff of the Washington Post, Deadlock: The Inside Story of America's Closest Election, pages 230-234 (Public Affairs 2001). Via Google Books.
^ Gore v. Harris, 773 So. 2d 524 (December 22, 2000). Only Florida Supreme Court Justice Leander Shaw, in a concurring opinion, disputed that December 12 was the deadline for recounts under state law.
^ McConnell, Michael. “Two-And-A-Half Cheers for Bush v. Gore” in The Vote: Bush, Gore, and the Supreme Court, page 118 (University of Chicago Press, Cass Sunstein and Richard Epstein Eds. 2001). Via Google Books.
^ Lund, Nelson. “The Unbearable Rightness of Bush v. Gore” in The Longest Night: Polemics and Perspectives on Election 2000, page 176 (University of California Press, Arthur Jacobson and Michel Rosenfeld, eds. 2002).
^ Berkowitz, Peter and Wittes, Benjamin. “The Lawfulness of the Election Decision: A Reply to Professor Tribe”, Villanova Law Review, Vol. 49, No. 3, 2004.
^ a b ”Greene, Abner. “Is There a First Amendment Defense for Bush v. Gore?”, 80 Notre Dame L. Rev. 1643 (2005). Greene points to footnotes 21 and 22 in Gore v. Harris, 772 S2d 1243 (December 8, 2000), as evidence that the Florida Supreme Court thought all recounts had to be completed by December 12, 2008.
^ Bush v. Palm Beach County Canvassing, 531 U.S. 70 (December 4, 2000)
^ "Bush v. Gore, On Application for Stay, Majority Opinion" (PDF). http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/docs/florida2000/12-09_ussupreme_staygranted_majority.pdf. 2nd last paragraph of Scalia's concurrence.
^ a b Raskin, Jamin (March 2001). "Bandits in Black Robes". Washington Monthly. "Bandits in Black Robes" by Jamin Raskin. Retrieved October 28 2006. "But in Bush v. Gore, the Rehnquist majority did not even ask, much less explain, how Bush was personally injured by the hypothetical possibility that anonymous third-party citizens might have their ballots counted differently in Florida's presidential election."
^ Fried, Charles. "An Unreasonable Reaction to a Reasonable Decision" in Bush V. Gore: The Question of Legitimacy, page 12 (Yale University Press, Bruce Ackerman ed. 2002): “The outrage against the stay by 673 law professors is, to say the least, overwrought. If the decision on the merits was justified, the stay becomes irrelevant. Yes, it did shut down the counting three and a half days earlier, but by hypothesis that counting was being done in an unconstitutional way.”
^ Tribe, Laurence H., "The Unbearable Wrongness of Bush v. Gore". George Mason Law & Economics Research Paper No. 03-33; Harvard Law School, Public Law Working Paper No. 72. Available at SSRN: http://ssrn.com/abstract=431080
^ Stone, Geoffrey R. (2001). "Equal Protection? The Supreme Court's Decision in Bush v. Gore". Equal Protection? The Supreme Court's Decision in Bush v. Gore.
^ Lund, Nelson. "The Unbearable Rightness of Bush v. Gore". http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=267874.
^ a b Dershowitz, Alan. Supreme Injustice: How the High Court Hijacked Election 2000, pages 174 and 198 (Oxford U. Press 2001).
^ Fliter, John. "Review of The Rehnquist Court: Judicial Activism on the Right". THE REHNQUIST COURT: JUDICIAL ACTIVISM ON THE RIGHT.
^ "Bush v. Gore, US Supreme Court Opinion". BUSH v. GORE. (6th paragraph from end of Part II-B)
^ Lund, Nelson. "The Unbearable Rightness of Bush v. Gore" (PDF). http://www.cardozo.yu.edu/cardlrev/pdf/234lund.pdf. "... it’s important to remember that overly broad holdings can be worse than those that are too narrow. Broad holdings may effectively decide future cases that are factually dissimilar in ways that should be legally distinguished."
^ Spillenger, Clyde. "Supreme court fails to argue recount ruling". UCLA Today. http://www.today.ucla.edu/2001/010117recount.html. Retrieved October 28 2006. "This observation is the very antithesis of the rule of law."
^ Rotunda, Ronald. “Yet Another Article on Bush v. Gore”, Ohio State Law Journal, Volume 64, page 283 (2003).
^ Jackson, Brooks (2000-12-12). "Ethics experts say Scalia, Thomas connections not conflicts of interest". CNN. CNN.com - Ethics experts say Scalia, Thomas connections not conflicts of interest - December 12, 2000.
^ a b Neumann, Richard K., Jr. (2003). "Conflicts of interest in Bush v. Gore: Did some justices vote illegally?". The Georgetown Journal of Legal Ethics. Conflicts of interest in Bush v. Gore: Did some justices vote illegally? | Georgetown Journal of Legal Ethics, The | Find Articles at BNET.
^ Hirschkorn, Phil. "Crowds line up for Clinton book". CNN. CNN.com - Crowds line up for Clinton book - Jun 22, 2004. Retrieved February 2 2008.
^ a b Cannon, Carl. "After All the Acrimony, the Election Ends on Grace Notes", National Journal (2000-12-16)

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[Intense]

If Wikipedia said it, it must be true? LOL.


Huggy don't start melting down on us now.

Gore's greatest achievement was distancing himself from Clinton in 02. Had he carried his home state he would have been pres.

Gore's second greatest achievment was kissing his wife on SNL.

Gores third greatest achievement he was named for at the Academy Awards. He did get busted for plagiarism on that one though.

 

[HUGGY]

If Wikipedia said it, it must be true? LOL.


Huggy don't start melting down on us now.

Gore's greatest achievement was distancing himself from Clinton in 02. Had he carried his home state he would have been pres.

Gore's second greatest achievment was kissing his wife on SNL.

Gores third greatest achievement he was named for at the Academy Awards. He did get busted for plagiarism on that one though.

That was a straight forward piece. You know it but just don't have the nut sack to admit it. Here is the kicker littledicker..I voted for Bush in that election. I just plain don't like ...can't abide by.....liars.

Was Ike a LIAR? no! Was Barry Goldwater liar? no! Every republican since Nixon was a fucking Liar but I still voted for both Bushs' That is except Bush2's 2nd term. All that terror bullshit got real stale. I like picking my own enemies..thank you very much!

I think for myself and recommend it for everyone.

 

[Intense]

If Wikipedia said it, it must be true? LOL.


Huggy don't start melting down on us now.

Gore's greatest achievement was distancing himself from Clinton in 02. Had he carried his home state he would have been pres.

Gore's second greatest achievment was kissing his wife on SNL.

Gores third greatest achievement he was named for at the Academy Awards. He did get busted for plagiarism on that one though.

That was a straight forward piece. You know it but just don't have the nut sack to admit it. Here is the kicker littledicker..I voted for Bush in that election. I just plain don't like ...can't abide by.....liars.

Was Ike a LIAR? no! Was Barry Goldwater liar? no! Every republican since Nixon was a fucking Liar but I still voted for both Bushs' That is except Bush2's 2nd term. All that terror bullshit got real stale. I like picking my own enemies..thank you very much!

I think for myself and recommend it for everyone.

This thread is not about the 2000 election. Be it that important, start a millionth thread on the topic. that said, My favorite Bush is Jeb. It's sad that GWB messed it up for him. GWB has issues, he did both good and bad. Beating Gore was not bad. Falling down in conflict, and refusing to respond is bad.
Do yourself a favor and avoid Wikipedia. Use it to find links, fine, play Winston Smith with the editing, not fine. It is not reputable.