Andylusion
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Despite indifferent lockdowns and poor testing, Japan seems to be skipping the worst of the pandemic.
No. Japan did not. I read about it, saw videos from there, and have talk to Japanese citizens over the internet. There was no mass lock down. This was widely reported. Widely.
Sorry, man, I'm not keen to kill Granny so Trump can pretend he fixed the economy he messed up. Take your medicine like a man.
You have the right to be wrong. I've been hanging out with my parents who are both in their 70s for weeks now. They didn't die. My relatives got together for memorial, and they didn't die.
Now obviously they will eventually, since their all in their 60s and 70s. But everyone for weeks and weeks was screaming at me that having social get together would result in everyone dying.... and here we are, and everyone is fine.
You can go be scared and cower in the basement... we're not doing that.
We been hitting them with sanctions for 20 years. Yes, that has an effect.
Factually not true. Earliest sanctions I am aware of, according to the US State Department, was 2008.
The first food shortages were in 2004.
And you still can't explain why a country known for coffee, has coffee shortages.
This is the coffee isle in Venezuela, from back in 2007 I believe. Notice coffee filters, but no coffee... in Venezuela.
How do you explain that? What 'sanction' prevents a coffee farmer, from taking coffee to the store in his own country?
No, they were just refusing to buy it, getting rid of one of the few cash crops they had.
In fact, Venezuela's coffee industry declined LONG before the socialists took power. They were less than 1% of the world's market by 2001. IN 2003, Hugo had the CRAZY idea that maybe they should concentrate on growing food instead of coffee.
Not exactly...
You are confusing a decline in market share, with a decline in production. Production had gone UP since the 1960s to a record year in 1999. In 2003, the Venezuela government put in place regulations and price controls, that destroyed production, and has been falling since then. Been some up and downs with usually good crop yields. But overall, has been falling.
Further, whether Chavez was pushing them to produce other foods or not, it doesn't matter because all food production has declined.
Rice production fell, as did fruit production and all other production.
Again, you can't blame this on sanctions because all sanctions could do is prevent exports of food. If they can't export it, then Venezuela should logically be flooded with food. Again, what Sanction prevents a rice farmer, from delivering rice to a store down the street? Nothing.
Again, Venezuela was once a net exporter of food, and coffee. Before Chavez showed up and screwed up the entire economy.
Sanctions didn't do that. Socialism did. Facts over opinion.
By the way, you might ask why the Chavez people would do that. I posted a link to how Hugo Chavez's daughter was involved with a food for oil scandal, and was off shoring the profits.
What a shock. The government owns the companies that are the defacto suppliers of coffee to the public. A government enforced duo-opoly, that charges massive prices to the public, to the benefit of the socialists elites in government.
And then you complain when we place sanction against the government leaders that are price gauging their citizens for their own benefit.
We did that to ourselves, with a pointless and useless lock down. Sweden didn't do that, and they are fine. Japan didn't do that, and they are fine.
Actually, Japan did, but they did it much earlier and much more effectively. WHich is why they are fine.
People are at the beach, the weather is warm. Chill. For real... there is nothing to be freaking out about.
End the lock down.
Sorry, man, I'm not keen to kill Granny so Trump can pretend he fixed the economy he messed up. Take your medicine like a man.
As far as the economic war you guys have made up... just factually.. you are wrong. We didn't cause an economic war on Venezuela.
We been hitting them with sanctions for 20 years. Yes, that has an effect.
hink about this.... how did they not have coffee in Venezuela, a country known for coffee? How does our "economic war" on Venezuela, prevent coffee farmers from delivering coffee beans to their own stores, from their own farms? You think a massive group of Americans were wandering around Venezuela, stopping coffee bean shipments? Really?
No, they were just refusing to buy it, getting rid of one of the few cash crops they had.
In fact, Venezuela's coffee industry declined LONG before the socialists took power. They were less than 1% of the world's market by 2001. IN 2003, Hugo had the CRAZY idea that maybe they should concentrate on growing food instead of coffee.
Coffee production in Venezuela - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
It was Hugo Chavez seizing stores, sending the army to confiscate farms, and putting in place price controls and minimum wage laws, so that farmers couldn't possibly make a profit, the resulted in them not even being able to have coffee in a land known for coffee.
Okay, let's look at that. The problem with that is that Venezuela fell to 1% of the world's coffee in 2001, long before Hugo took power. In fact, for a while, Coffee exports ROSE for a time under Chavez, until once again, George W. Stupid slapped the country with sanctions AFTER his attempt at a coup against their democratically elected government failed in 2002.
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Actually, Japan did, but they did it much earlier and much more effectively. WHich is why they are fine.No. Japan did not. I read about it, saw videos from there, and have talk to Japanese citizens over the internet. There was no mass lock down. This was widely reported. Widely.
Japan’s Halfhearted Coronavirus Measures Are Working Anyway
Despite indifferent lockdowns and poor testing, Japan seems to be skipping the worst of the pandemic.
foreignpolicy.com
Despite indifferent lockdowns and poor testing, Japan seems to be skipping the worst of the pandemic.
So no... you are wrong. Japan did not do almost any lock down at all.Sorry, man, I'm not keen to kill Granny so Trump can pretend he fixed the economy he messed up. Take your medicine like a man.
You have the right to be wrong. I've been hanging out with my parents who are both in their 70s for weeks now. They didn't die. My relatives got together for memorial, and they didn't die.
Now obviously they will eventually, since their all in their 60s and 70s. But everyone for weeks and weeks was screaming at me that having social get together would result in everyone dying.... and here we are, and everyone is fine.
You can go be scared and cower in the basement... we're not doing that.
We been hitting them with sanctions for 20 years. Yes, that has an effect.
Factually not true. Earliest sanctions I am aware of, according to the US State Department, was 2008.
The first food shortages were in 2004.
And you still can't explain why a country known for coffee, has coffee shortages.
This is the coffee isle in Venezuela, from back in 2007 I believe. Notice coffee filters, but no coffee... in Venezuela.
How do you explain that? What 'sanction' prevents a coffee farmer, from taking coffee to the store in his own country?
No, they were just refusing to buy it, getting rid of one of the few cash crops they had.
In fact, Venezuela's coffee industry declined LONG before the socialists took power. They were less than 1% of the world's market by 2001. IN 2003, Hugo had the CRAZY idea that maybe they should concentrate on growing food instead of coffee.
Not exactly...
You are confusing a decline in market share, with a decline in production. Production had gone UP since the 1960s to a record year in 1999. In 2003, the Venezuela government put in place regulations and price controls, that destroyed production, and has been falling since then. Been some up and downs with usually good crop yields. But overall, has been falling.
Further, whether Chavez was pushing them to produce other foods or not, it doesn't matter because all food production has declined.
Rice production fell, as did fruit production and all other production.
Again, you can't blame this on sanctions because all sanctions could do is prevent exports of food. If they can't export it, then Venezuela should logically be flooded with food. Again, what Sanction prevents a rice farmer, from delivering rice to a store down the street? Nothing.
As Venezuela coffee output sinks, it swaps oil to import Nicaraguan beans
Venezuela, once a proud exporter of premium coffee, has been reduced to swapping crude oil for growing volumes of Nicaraguan coffee beans to make sure worsening economic turmoil does not prevent people from getting their caffeine fix.
www.reuters.com
Venezuela, once a proud exporter of premium coffee, has been reduced to swapping crude oil for growing volumes of Nicaraguan coffee beans to make sure worsening economic turmoil does not prevent people from getting their caffeine fix.
Again, Venezuela was once a net exporter of food, and coffee. Before Chavez showed up and screwed up the entire economy.
A leaf disease has ravaged crops and low domestic retail coffee prices set by the Venezuelan government are prompting farmers to abandon coffee production. They are switching to cattle or leaving agriculture altogether and moving to cities, sources familiar with the Venezuelan coffee industry say.
Sanctions didn't do that. Socialism did. Facts over opinion.
By the way, you might ask why the Chavez people would do that. I posted a link to how Hugo Chavez's daughter was involved with a food for oil scandal, and was off shoring the profits.
Coffee in Venezuela
Purchase the Coffee in Venezuela Country Sector Briefing as part…
www.euromonitor.com
Government-owned companies maintain leadership
In retail volume terms, coffee is led by state-owned companies Café Fama de América (has the leading brand, Fama de América) and Empresa Nacional del Café (owner of Café Madrid, which ranks second), which together generated over half of total retail volume sales in 2017.
What a shock. The government owns the companies that are the defacto suppliers of coffee to the public. A government enforced duo-opoly, that charges massive prices to the public, to the benefit of the socialists elites in government.
And then you complain when we place sanction against the government leaders that are price gauging their citizens for their own benefit.