GOP Chair wants to open up Gun-Mental Health study

[2aguy]

GOP chairman: Congress should rethink CDC ban on gun violence research

Okay...will something actually happen or will this initiative go into the same box as the "bump stock?"

I hope it goes away too......we need mental health inprovements....not gun control.

There is no ban on gun research at the CDC....that is a lie. They are banned from pushing gun control....

besides...guns are not a disease...they are a law enforcement issue.

 

[JimH52]

Yup, and the GOP said cigarettes were not cancer causers for years. They denied that nicotine was addictive. Finally, science proved them to be whores for the Tobacco industry. So, they decided to become whores for the gun industry.

 

[2aguy]

A real study would prove that gun control states do better with preventing gun crime .

The gop’s NRA masters do not want that .

WRong, there is no correlation between gun control and lower gun crime rates.....doofus.

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

A real study would prove that gun control states do better with preventing gun crime .

The gop’s NRA masters do not want that .

If you have children or grandchildren in school...you should welcome a CDC study. We all need to write and call our Congressional representatives and encourage them to repeal the Dickey amendment. Allow the CDC to study gun violence and mental health.

They can already do gun research...they have done gun research into gun violence.......

Would Cracking Down on Guns in the U.S. Really Reduce Violence? , by Robert VerBruggen, National Review

There is actually no simple correlation between states’ homicide rates and their gun-ownership rates or gun laws.
This has been shown numerous times, by different people, using different data sets.

A year ago, I took state gun-ownership levels reported by the Washington Post (based on a Centers for Disease Control survey) and compared them with murder rates from the FBI: no correlation.

The legal scholar Eugene Volokh has compared states’ gun laws (as rated by the anti-gun Brady Campaign) with their murder rates: no correlation.

David Freddoso of the Washington Examiner, a former National Review reporter, failed to find a correlation even between gun ownership in a state and gun murders specifically, an approach that sets aside the issue of whether gun availability has an effect on non-gun crime. (Guns can deter unarmed criminals, for instance, and criminals without guns may simply switch to other weapons.)


, I recently redid my analysis with a few tweaks. Instead of relying on a single year of survey data, I averaged three years. (The CDC survey, the best available for state-level numbers, included data on gun ownership only in 2001, 2002, and 2004. Those were the years I looked at.)

And instead of comparing CDC data with murder rates from a different agency, I relied on the CDC’s own estimates of death by assault in those years. Again: no correlation.

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Left-leaning media outlets, from Mother Jones to National Journal, get around this absence of correlation by reporting numbers on “gun deaths” rather than gun homicides or homicides in general.
More than 60 percent of gun deaths nationally are suicides, and places with higher gun ownership typically see a higher percentage of their suicides committed with a gun.
Focusing on the number of gun deaths practically guarantees a finding that guns and violence go together. While it may be true that public policy should also seek to reduce suicide, it is homicide — often a dramatic mass killing — that usually prompts the media and politicians to call for gun control, and it is homicide that most influences people as they consider supporting measures to take away their fellow citizens’ access to guns.
There are large gaps among the states when it comes to homicide, with rates ranging all the way from about two to twelve per 100,000 in 2013, the most recent year of data available from the CDC. These disparities show that it’s not just guns that cause the United States to have, on average, a higher rate of homicide than other developed countries do. Not only is there no correlation between gun ownership and overall homicide within a state, but there is a strong correlation between gun homicide and non-gun homicide — suggesting that they spring from similar causes, and that some states are simply more violent than others. A closer look at demographic and geographic patterns provides some clues as to why this is.

 

[Windparadox]

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That's a good idea. They should research the people in the forum first.
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[Rustic]

So Rustic, how much does Putin pay you for each post? I bet it keeps the lights on, huh?

Lol
Sorry, I am not a socialist like Putin is...

 

[JimH52]

GOP chairman: Congress should rethink CDC ban on gun violence research

Okay...will something actually happen or will this initiative go into the same box as the "bump stock?"

I hope it goes away too......we need mental health inprovements....not gun control.

There is no ban on gun research at the CDC....that is a lie. They are banned from pushing gun control....

besides...guns are not a disease...they are a law enforcement issue.

GOP chairman: Congress should rethink CDC ban on gun violence research

Okay...will something actually happen or will this initiative go into the same box as the "bump stock?"

I hope it goes away too......we need mental health inprovements....not gun control.

There is no ban on gun research at the CDC....that is a lie. They are banned from pushing gun control....

besides...guns are not a disease...they are a law enforcement issue.

And you, like many of your demented liars on the board area another LIAR!

Dickey Amendment (1996) - Wikipedia

Due to the NRA paid GOP, funds are being withheld to the CDC even to study mental health and gun control.

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[2aguy]

A real study would prove that gun control states do better with preventing gun crime .

The gop’s NRA masters do not want that .

If you have children or grandchildren in school...you should welcome a CDC study. We all need to write and call our Congressional representatives and encourage them to repeal the Dickey amendment. Allow the CDC to study gun violence and mental health.

The CDC has been studying gun violence...you won't like what they found...


Obama CDC Study: Silencers Best Option for Noise Reduction at Gun Ranges - The Truth About Guns

The CDC looked at a number of different solutions to reduce the exposure to the hazardous noise levels in shooting ranges and arrived at the same solution as every other logical gun owner: silencers.
The only potentially effective noise control method to reduce students’ or instructors’ noise exposure from gunfire is through the use of noise suppressors that can be attached to the end of the gun barrel. However, some states do not permit civilians to use suppressors on firearms.
Some gun control activists claim that noise on shooting ranges isn’t a health issue. The CDC says otherwise, and the report is right here in black and white. Are these luddites going to argue with science?


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When Gun Violence Felt Like a Disease, a City in Delaware Turned to the C.D.C.

When epidemiologists from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention came to this city, they were not here to track an outbreak of meningitis or study the effectiveness of a particular vaccine.



They were here to examine gun violence.

This city of about 70,000 had a 45 percent jump in shootings from 2011 to 2013, and the violence has remained stubbornly high; 25 shooting deaths have been reported this year, slightly more than last year, according to the mayor’s office
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The final report, which has been submitted to the state, reached a conclusion that many here said they already knew: that there are certain patterns in the lives of many who commit gun violence.

“The majority of individuals involved in urban firearm violence are young men with substantial violence involvement preceding the more serious offense of a firearm crime,” the report said. “Our findings suggest that integrating data systems could help these individuals better receive the early, comprehensive help that they need to prevent violence involvement.”

Researchers analyzed data on 569 people charged with firearm crimes from 2009 to May 21, 2014, and looked for certain risk factors in their lives, such as whether they had been unemployed, had received help from assistance programs, had been possible victims of child abuse, or had been shot or stabbed. The idea was to show that linking such data could create a better understanding of who might need help before becoming involved in violence.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

A real study would prove that gun control states do better with preventing gun crime .

The gop’s NRA masters do not want that .

The NRA is not pro gun enough
Quit falling down the well

Timmy is a moron.

 

[Rustic]

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That's a good idea. They should research the people in the forum first.
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Yes, they should send all socialists back to socialist Europe where they belong... lol

 

[John Shaw]

GOP chairman: Congress should rethink CDC ban on gun violence research

Okay...will something actually happen or will this initiative go into the same box as the "bump stock?"

It is a waste of time and money...

Yes, you're right. Better just wait for the next school shooting so we can offer more thoughts and prayers!

Are you over 50 years old, by any chance? Maybe we need to do a purge of the old in this country. They seem hellbent on screwing over their kids and grandkids, for some reason.

 

[2aguy]

GOP chairman: Congress should rethink CDC ban on gun violence research

Okay...will something actually happen or will this initiative go into the same box as the "bump stock?"

I hope it goes away too......we need mental health inprovements....not gun control.

There is no ban on gun research at the CDC....that is a lie. They are banned from pushing gun control....

besides...guns are not a disease...they are a law enforcement issue.

GOP chairman: Congress should rethink CDC ban on gun violence research

Okay...will something actually happen or will this initiative go into the same box as the "bump stock?"

I hope it goes away too......we need mental health inprovements....not gun control.

There is no ban on gun research at the CDC....that is a lie. They are banned from pushing gun control....

besides...guns are not a disease...they are a law enforcement issue.

And you, like many of your demented liars on the board area another LIAR!

Dickey Amendment (1996) - Wikipedia

Due to the NRA paid GOP, funds are being withheld to the CDC even to study mental health and gun control.

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I just posted gun research by the CDC dumb ass.....look up the post....#28....dumb fuck.....


Obama CDC Study: Silencers Best Option for Noise Reduction at Gun Ranges - The Truth About Guns

The CDC looked at a number of different solutions to reduce the exposure to the hazardous noise levels in shooting ranges and arrived at the same solution as every other logical gun owner: silencers.
The only potentially effective noise control method to reduce students’ or instructors’ noise exposure from gunfire is through the use of noise suppressors that can be attached to the end of the gun barrel. However, some states do not permit civilians to use suppressors on firearms.
Some gun control activists claim that noise on shooting ranges isn’t a health issue. The CDC says otherwise, and the report is right here in black and white. Are these luddites going to argue with science?


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When Gun Violence Felt Like a Disease, a City in Delaware Turned to the C.D.C.

When epidemiologists from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention came to this city, they were not here to track an outbreak of meningitis or study the effectiveness of a particular vaccine.



They were here to examine gun violence.

This city of about 70,000 had a 45 percent jump in shootings from 2011 to 2013, and the violence has remained stubbornly high; 25 shooting deaths have been reported this year, slightly more than last year, according to the mayor’s office
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The final report, which has been submitted to the state, reached a conclusion that many here said they already knew: that there are certain patterns in the lives of many who commit gun violence.

“The majority of individuals involved in urban firearm violence are young men with substantial violence involvement preceding the more serious offense of a firearm crime,” the report said. “Our findings suggest that integrating data systems could help these individuals better receive the early, comprehensive help that they need to prevent violence involvement.”

Researchers analyzed data on 569 people charged with firearm crimes from 2009 to May 21, 2014, and looked for certain risk factors in their lives, such as whether they had been unemployed, had received help from assistance programs, had been possible victims of child abuse, or had been shot or stabbed. The idea was to show that linking such data could create a better understanding of who might need help before becoming involved in violence.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

 

[2aguy]

GOP chairman: Congress should rethink CDC ban on gun violence research

Okay...will something actually happen or will this initiative go into the same box as the "bump stock?"

I hope it goes away too......we need mental health inprovements....not gun control.

There is no ban on gun research at the CDC....that is a lie. They are banned from pushing gun control....

besides...guns are not a disease...they are a law enforcement issue.

GOP chairman: Congress should rethink CDC ban on gun violence research

Okay...will something actually happen or will this initiative go into the same box as the "bump stock?"

I hope it goes away too......we need mental health inprovements....not gun control.

There is no ban on gun research at the CDC....that is a lie. They are banned from pushing gun control....

besides...guns are not a disease...they are a law enforcement issue.

And you, like many of your demented liars on the board area another LIAR!

Dickey Amendment (1996) - Wikipedia

Due to the NRA paid GOP, funds are being withheld to the CDC even to study mental health and gun control.

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Hey....dumb shit...here is CDC research on guns and gun violence post Dickey Amendment....moron....

This is some gun research from the CEC in 2006....

Violence-Related Firearm Deaths Among Residents of Metropolitan Areas and Cities --- United States, 2006--2007

And this one....

Source of Firearms Used by Students in School-Associated Violent Deaths --- United States, 1992--1999

And this one....

http://www.thecommunityguide.org/violence/viol-AJPM-evrev-firearms-law.pdf

And this one....

Surveillance for Fatal and Nonfatal Firearm-Related Injuries --- United States, 1993--1998

And this one....

Firearm Homicides and Suicides in Major Metropolitan Areas — United States, 2006–2007 and 2009–2010

And this one...

Indoor Firing Ranges and Elevated Blood Lead Levels — United States, 2002–2013

And this one....

Rates of Homicide, Suicide, and Firearm-Related Death Among Children -- 26 Industrialized Countries

 

[Rustic]

Yup, and the GOP said cigarettes were not cancer causers for years. They denied that nicotine was addictive. Finally, science proved them to be whores for the Tobacco industry. So, they decided to become whores for the gun industry.

I would bet money more progressives smoke/smoked than Conservatives. Firearms do not kill people people kill people

 

[2aguy]

Mental Health Question:
"Did you vote for Obama twice?"

That should be a question on the Federal Background check form.....a yes answer results in a gun ban for life.....and into the afterlife......just to be sure....

 

[Rustic]

GOP chairman: Congress should rethink CDC ban on gun violence research

Okay...will something actually happen or will this initiative go into the same box as the "bump stock?"

It is a waste of time and money...

Yes, you're right. Better just wait for the next school shooting so we can offer more thoughts and prayers!

Are you over 50 years old, by any chance? Maybe we need to do a purge of the old in this country. They seem hellbent on screwing over their kids and grandkids, for some reason.

Your ideas do not work, that is the reality...
I do not agree with everything in this article but it is a good way to look at the situation.
Why millions of Americans — including me — own the AR-15

 

[2aguy]

GOP chairman: Congress should rethink CDC ban on gun violence research

Okay...will something actually happen or will this initiative go into the same box as the "bump stock?"

It is a waste of time and money...

Yes, you're right. Better just wait for the next school shooting so we can offer more thoughts and prayers!

Are you over 50 years old, by any chance? Maybe we need to do a purge of the old in this country. They seem hellbent on screwing over their kids and grandkids, for some reason.

You have no idea what you are talking about......

The death total from all mass public shootings since 1982? 795.....35 years.

The death total from knife murders every single year.... over 1,600.....which is deadlier...can you tell?

US mass shootings, 1982-2018: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Total murders by mass public shooters...1982-2017

795


knife murders.....2009-2013.....

2009----1,836
2010----1,933
2011----1,611
2012---1,769
2013---1.956

Rifle murder....

2009---351
2010---367
2011---332
2012---298
2013---285

 

[John Shaw]

GOP chairman: Congress should rethink CDC ban on gun violence research

Okay...will something actually happen or will this initiative go into the same box as the "bump stock?"

It is a waste of time and money...

Yes, you're right. Better just wait for the next school shooting so we can offer more thoughts and prayers!

Are you over 50 years old, by any chance? Maybe we need to do a purge of the old in this country. They seem hellbent on screwing over their kids and grandkids, for some reason.

Your ideas do not work, that is the reality...
I do not agree with everything in this article but it is a good way to look at the situation.
Why millions of Americans — including me — own the AR-15

You don't even know what my ideas are.

For one, weapons SHOULD be more difficult to obtain.

But the real issue is BOYS IN SCHOOLS. The two are not meshing, and no one has bothered to find out why, and how to help them adapt. Society itself being hostile to them doesn't help either.

 

[2aguy]

GOP chairman: Congress should rethink CDC ban on gun violence research

Okay...will something actually happen or will this initiative go into the same box as the "bump stock?"

It is a waste of time and money...

Yes, you're right. Better just wait for the next school shooting so we can offer more thoughts and prayers!

Are you over 50 years old, by any chance? Maybe we need to do a purge of the old in this country. They seem hellbent on screwing over their kids and grandkids, for some reason.

Your ideas do not work, that is the reality...
I do not agree with everything in this article but it is a good way to look at the situation.
Why millions of Americans — including me — own the AR-15

You don't even know what my ideas are.

For one, weapons SHOULD be more difficult to obtain.

But the real issue is BOYS IN SCHOOLS. The two are not meshing, and no one has bothered to find out why, and how to help them adapt. Society itself being hostile to them doesn't help either.

YEs...people have been studying the problem of boys in school....it turns out they are being attacked for being boys, they have a majority of female teachers who do not know how to teach boys, and when you have that combination....you have problems...