GOP revives rule allowing $1 salaries for government employees

[owebo]

and if democrats were concerned with cutting debt they would not be implimenting things like the ACA or refusing to stop the flow of illegal leaches from South America, or increasing payments to the welfare crowd, or giving so much in foreign aid. They would instead be cutting all of these give away programs that bring no return at all.

Let's see what Republicans do that add to the debt. We gave poor people insurance you'll give the money to defense contractors. They didn't show up to vote for free insurance so fuck it. Take it away

Republicans constituents (corporations) are who lured illegals in. Illegal employers. Let's see what you do. Let's see you cut the flow of Muslims. Hope you do

Nothing is free....that's your fatal flaw as a LWNJ....

You are right. In order to get nationalized healthcare all the masses had to do was show up and vote every two years. They didn't so take it away please. Fuck them that's all they had to do was vote. Idiots! I wanted socialized medicine I admit. Everyone else has it. Take it off our employers plate so they can compete with corporations in other countries who don't have to pay healthcare for their employees

Hopefully the rest of the uncivilized world will catch up to us and we can stop democrats from dragging us backwards...

It's the cons that are going back over a hundred years with the $1 salary rule....If you had two brain cells, you could rub them together and start a fire.

You liberals would make us peasants again, or worse, your slaves....

 

[sealybobo]

And you didn't have more kids than you could afford. Not your problem others do.

 

[sealybobo]

When you're a democrat, everyone looks like a slave....

You guys want to "make America great again". My dad back in 1960's went from high school to Ford. He was one of those poorly educated blue collar workers trump promised he would bring their good jobs back. He lied. No way jobs will ever be this good again. My dad was paid well, great benefits, had job security because of the union, got profit sharing and a pension because of the union too. Amazing medical benefits too.

Trump will never make America that great again. Maybe he will make us better than we are right now but America middle class will never be as good as us liberals created with unions labor laws and new deals. The rich won the class warfare you didn't even know was happening

The unions sucked the life out of those companies paying the benefits. Auto companies were paying more in pensions than they were on steel. The unions were vampires sucking the life out of the companies that employed them. As with all parasites, when the host dies, so does the union parasite.

Just a few years ago we saw it happen with Hostess. The company begged the union to let the company survive. The union said no. Where did they think the money was going to come from?

Hostess closed. Sold off the recipes and the owners pocketed a few million. No comfort for the deservedly unemployed union members.

not this right wing fantasy, again.

Hostess merely had, lousy capital management that was overpriced under Any form of True capitalism. Management compensation should have been cut to cover the short fall, not Labor compensation. It was not a labor issue, it was a management issue and they should have taken responsibility instead of simply blamed Labor.

Not this fascist left wing fantasy again....

Unions celebrated killing their jobs,...fuck them...only true capitalism will stop you fascists....

Without unions, this country would not have health benefits, week ends, minimum wage, over time, vacations, or a 40 hour work week. Cons are the fascists, and you know it.

When it comes to the poor im starting to agree with Republicans. The poo, in general, are bad citizens and wwe're subsodizing it.

But when it comes to workers I agree with liberals. Republicans would make us all poor if they could. Labor isn't an asset to them its an expense.

 

[sealybobo]

No, they didn't. Management was simply overpriced, and Hostess would have been better off hiring illegal managers, to save on cost.

No, labor was overpriced,many the company was crushed by it despite managements best efforts...

Forget the $1 rule for politicians. How about every other year instead of the CEO getting the bonus the workers get it. Or split the profits 50% to executives 50% to workers. another $20 million they give employees the bonus?

/---- It's none of your business what companies pay their CEOs. It's not taxpayer money, Fidel.

Then don't complain workers aren't doing as well now as they used to. You sent all those high paying jobs overseas and non union companies only give profit sharing and raises to executives.

You will never make America great again for blue collar. Not like my dad who worked for Ford. He had it real good. Those days are over for blue collar. At least the low skilled ones. Those are the people trumps going to disappoint

Robots now make fords.

Here's the other thing happening people don't realize is happening. Companies are subcontracting jobs to 3rd party companies.

In the past 35% workers were unions. In the future 35% will be temps.

 

[sealybobo]

Only lousy capitalists say that. Henry Ford doubled wages and realized gains from productivity.

henry raised wages because he felt that his employees should be able to afford the product they were building.

Henry Ford doubled wages and realized gains from productivity. and his labor force was more able to purchase the products they were making.

Today Walmart pays below poverty wages so employees qualify for foodstamps that they spend at Walmart.

There is not such thing as a poverty wage....that's LWNJ fascist propaganda....so....

^^^^proof that having money makes people dilutional

If you work 40 hours at minimum wage and have a kid you probably are in poverty and qualify for foodstamps

 

[sealybobo]

Lower the unemployment rate by legalizing drug sales, prostitution and pornography.

When that teen goes looking for a first job, there will be plenty of openings.

We are always looking for new products to sell. I think prostitution is a no brainier. There are a lot of women who would give boom booms and yum himself for money and a bunch of us guys willing to pay $20-200 depending on the product.

When I was young gambling and pot were illegal. Both are now legal in Michigan. Prostitution should be next.

You want to order a pizza tonight I want to order a blowjob. She'll be over in $30 minutes. You have to wear a condom by law but you can probably pay extra and go bareback. Lol I wouldn't though because you aren't her first stop tonight.

Women would become rich. They would have a way of extracting disposable income.

I would usually order a $5 little ceaser hot and ready and occasionally splurge on Chicago deep dish

 

[Maryland Patriot]

henry raised wages because he felt that his employees should be able to afford the product they were building.

Henry Ford doubled wages and realized gains from productivity. and his labor force was more able to purchase the products they were making.

Today Walmart pays below poverty wages so employees qualify for foodstamps that they spend at Walmart.

There is not such thing as a poverty wage....that's LWNJ fascist propaganda....so....

^^^^proof that having money makes people dilutional

If you work 40 hours at minimum wage and have a kid you probably are in poverty and qualify for foodstamps

if you are only educated to a point of being worth minimum wage for a 40 hour job, chances are you should not have had that kid in the first place.

 

[Coyote]

Unemployment is already currently 15-20%. Anyone who's buying their current 5% number, must also believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa Clause.

What data do you have to support that claim?

 

[danielpalos]

what do you do for capital under any form of capitalism?

I like to wait till my neighbors get home from work, then as they are walking up to the door I jump them and steal the money they have in their pocket.
Sometimes I get lucky and catch them right after they went to the bank for me.

how much representation do you give them, for your "taxation"?

Representation? WTF?
I slap the silly bitch and tell them they better have a bit more in their pocket tomorrow.

no happy camper policy, either?

Im afraid I dont totally follow along with you, I am at current not fluent in welfare speak

Privateer mode; i got it.

 

[danielpalos]

You guys want to "make America great again". My dad back in 1960's went from high school to Ford. He was one of those poorly educated blue collar workers trump promised he would bring their good jobs back. He lied. No way jobs will ever be this good again. My dad was paid well, great benefits, had job security because of the union, got profit sharing and a pension because of the union too. Amazing medical benefits too.

Trump will never make America that great again. Maybe he will make us better than we are right now but America middle class will never be as good as us liberals created with unions labor laws and new deals. The rich won the class warfare you didn't even know was happening

The unions sucked the life out of those companies paying the benefits. Auto companies were paying more in pensions than they were on steel. The unions were vampires sucking the life out of the companies that employed them. As with all parasites, when the host dies, so does the union parasite.

Just a few years ago we saw it happen with Hostess. The company begged the union to let the company survive. The union said no. Where did they think the money was going to come from?

Hostess closed. Sold off the recipes and the owners pocketed a few million. No comfort for the deservedly unemployed union members.

not this right wing fantasy, again.

Hostess merely had, lousy capital management that was overpriced under Any form of True capitalism. Management compensation should have been cut to cover the short fall, not Labor compensation. It was not a labor issue, it was a management issue and they should have taken responsibility instead of simply blamed Labor.

Not this fascist left wing fantasy again....

Unions celebrated killing their jobs,...fuck them...only true capitalism will stop you fascists....

Without unions, this country would not have health benefits, week ends, minimum wage, over time, vacations, or a 40 hour work week. Cons are the fascists, and you know it.

When it comes to the poor im starting to agree with Republicans. The poo, in general, are bad citizens and wwe're subsodizing it.

But when it comes to workers I agree with liberals. Republicans would make us all poor if they could. Labor isn't an asset to them its an expense.

Good citizens require goodly capital to make like goodly citizens of our republic.

 

[danielpalos]

Unemployment is already currently 15-20%. Anyone who's buying their current 5% number, must also believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa Clause.

What data do you have to support that claim?

You could look into U6 numbers.

 

[sealybobo]

The unions sucked the life out of those companies paying the benefits. Auto companies were paying more in pensions than they were on steel. The unions were vampires sucking the life out of the companies that employed them. As with all parasites, when the host dies, so does the union parasite.

Just a few years ago we saw it happen with Hostess. The company begged the union to let the company survive. The union said no. Where did they think the money was going to come from?

Hostess closed. Sold off the recipes and the owners pocketed a few million. No comfort for the deservedly unemployed union members.

not this right wing fantasy, again.

Hostess merely had, lousy capital management that was overpriced under Any form of True capitalism. Management compensation should have been cut to cover the short fall, not Labor compensation. It was not a labor issue, it was a management issue and they should have taken responsibility instead of simply blamed Labor.

Not this fascist left wing fantasy again....

Unions celebrated killing their jobs,...fuck them...only true capitalism will stop you fascists....

Without unions, this country would not have health benefits, week ends, minimum wage, over time, vacations, or a 40 hour work week. Cons are the fascists, and you know it.

When it comes to the poor im starting to agree with Republicans. The poo, in general, are bad citizens and wwe're subsodizing it.

But when it comes to workers I agree with liberals. Republicans would make us all poor if they could. Labor isn't an asset to them its an expense.

Good citizens require goodly capital to make like goodly citizens of our republic.

Why don't you say it in plain English so we can discuss honestly and logically. I'm a liberal who's actually pretty moderate when I meet a moderate conservative.

Let me tell you the reality here. Poor peoplee make themselves poor. There was a time when this country needed bodies so it was anyones as long as they wanted to work. OK so societies built up and we have huge cities and prosperity and then recessions hit. Industries go away. I agree it is not your fault jobs left. So what do you do? Do you settle in and get used to living in impoverished conditions or do you do something about it? OK so let's say you decide to stay in the slums. Who's decision is that? You're free. You Do you. You can get a job or move. Eventually you are responsible for what you do.

Now here's the kicker. If you were hit hard and you have kids you might be fucked. But that doesn't mean your kids have to make the same mistakes you did.

If the birth rate went down corporations would start paying a wage a guy could raise a family on. They would need us to breed more. Right now they have plenty of poor saps breeding like crazy.

Poor people are screwing us all. When you are poor you have to have less kids!

 

[sealybobo]

At least for a couple years. Want to see tax breaks for having babies? Stop having babies for a couple years.

 

[rightwinger]

so is providing for the general welfare; that includes the poor, not just the rich.

Welfare isn't for the "general welfare." It only benefits those who receive it. The general welfare clause refers only to the powers specifically enumerated in the Constitution.

It is of the general welfare of all not to maintain a peasant class begging for food

Declining to rob Peter to pay Paul does not equate to "maintaining a peasant class."

It is deciding how best to spend our tax revenue

Can't all go to the wealthy can it?

why not, the revenue comes mostly from them in the first place. The welfare crowd puts nothing in, why should then expect anything out?

Actually, most of our budget supports their interests

 

[danielpalos]

not this right wing fantasy, again.

Hostess merely had, lousy capital management that was overpriced under Any form of True capitalism. Management compensation should have been cut to cover the short fall, not Labor compensation. It was not a labor issue, it was a management issue and they should have taken responsibility instead of simply blamed Labor.

Not this fascist left wing fantasy again....

Unions celebrated killing their jobs,...fuck them...only true capitalism will stop you fascists....

Without unions, this country would not have health benefits, week ends, minimum wage, over time, vacations, or a 40 hour work week. Cons are the fascists, and you know it.

When it comes to the poor im starting to agree with Republicans. The poo, in general, are bad citizens and wwe're subsodizing it.

But when it comes to workers I agree with liberals. Republicans would make us all poor if they could. Labor isn't an asset to them its an expense.

Good citizens require goodly capital to make like goodly citizens of our republic.

Why don't you say it in plain English so we can discuss honestly and logically. I'm a liberal who's actually pretty moderate when I meet a moderate conservative.

Let me tell you the reality here. Poor peoplee make themselves poor. There was a time when this country needed bodies so it was anyones as long as they wanted to work. OK so societies built up and we have huge cities and prosperity and then recessions hit. Industries go away. I agree it is not your fault jobs left. So what do you do? Do you settle in and get used to living in impoverished conditions or do you do something about it? OK so let's say you decide to stay in the slums. Who's decision is that? You're free. You Do you. You can get a job or move. Eventually you are responsible for what you do.

Now here's the kicker. If you were hit hard and you have kids you might be fucked. But that doesn't mean your kids have to make the same mistakes you did.

If the birth rate went down corporations would start paying a wage a guy could raise a family on. They would need us to breed more. Right now they have plenty of poor saps breeding like crazy.

Poor people are screwing us all. When you are poor you have to have less kids!

Why do you believe you are liberal?

The reality is, the poor really are poor, when they make the lifestyle choices they do.

Full employment happened because of WWII.

I agree with you that Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is not the fault of Labor, but the fault of Capitalists who maximize capital profit at the expense of human and more social, capital.

The rich get a capital gains tax preference, to make more money, by investing in our economy and ensure full employment or a growing economy. In other words, for a Jobs Boom.

If that doesn't happen the rich are no better than the poor you impugn to be only "contemptible scoundrels" who don't earn their wealth.

The Age of Corporate Welfare sounds good. Why does the fantastical right wing, have Any problems with welfare for real Persons and not artificial persons.

Equal protection of the law regarding employment at will should mean Labor can quit and collect unemployment compensation, even in Right to Work States.

 

[sealybobo]

Not this fascist left wing fantasy again....

Unions celebrated killing their jobs,...fuck them...only true capitalism will stop you fascists....

Without unions, this country would not have health benefits, week ends, minimum wage, over time, vacations, or a 40 hour work week. Cons are the fascists, and you know it.

When it comes to the poor im starting to agree with Republicans. The poo, in general, are bad citizens and wwe're subsodizing it.

But when it comes to workers I agree with liberals. Republicans would make us all poor if they could. Labor isn't an asset to them its an expense.

Good citizens require goodly capital to make like goodly citizens of our republic.

Why don't you say it in plain English so we can discuss honestly and logically. I'm a liberal who's actually pretty moderate when I meet a moderate conservative.

Let me tell you the reality here. Poor peoplee make themselves poor. There was a time when this country needed bodies so it was anyones as long as they wanted to work. OK so societies built up and we have huge cities and prosperity and then recessions hit. Industries go away. I agree it is not your fault jobs left. So what do you do? Do you settle in and get used to living in impoverished conditions or do you do something about it? OK so let's say you decide to stay in the slums. Who's decision is that? You're free. You Do you. You can get a job or move. Eventually you are responsible for what you do.

Now here's the kicker. If you were hit hard and you have kids you might be fucked. But that doesn't mean your kids have to make the same mistakes you did.

If the birth rate went down corporations would start paying a wage a guy could raise a family on. They would need us to breed more. Right now they have plenty of poor saps breeding like crazy.

Poor people are screwing us all. When you are poor you have to have less kids!

Why do you believe you are liberal?

The reality is, the poor really are poor, when they make the lifestyle choices they do.

Full employment happened because of WWII.

I agree with you that Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is not the fault of Labor, but the fault of Capitalists who maximize capital profit at the expense of human and more social, capital.

The rich get a capital gains tax preference, to make more money, by investing in our economy and ensure full employment or a growing economy. In other words, for a Jobs Boom.

If that doesn't happen the rich are no better than the poor you impugn to be only "contemptible scoundrels" who don't earn their wealth.

The Age of Corporate Welfare sounds good. Why does the fantastical right wing, have Any problems with welfare for real Persons and not artificial persons.

Equal protection of the law regarding employment at will should mean Labor can quit and collect unemployment compensation, even in Right to Work States.

Why am I liberal? Because I believe and agree with most everything you say. But since poor people don't vote they don't matter. They've shown the Republicans are right about them. Can't even be bothered to vote.

So in a perfect world I agree with you. But we lost so it is up to Republicans to prove us wrong. Their right the poor have grown comfortable in poverty and anyone in America is poor because they or their parents put them in that situation.

My parents left Greece and moved here for a better life. They worked hard and made it. Is it really impossible to get out of Detroit?

 

[danielpalos]

Without unions, this country would not have health benefits, week ends, minimum wage, over time, vacations, or a 40 hour work week. Cons are the fascists, and you know it.

When it comes to the poor im starting to agree with Republicans. The poo, in general, are bad citizens and wwe're subsodizing it.

But when it comes to workers I agree with liberals. Republicans would make us all poor if they could. Labor isn't an asset to them its an expense.

Good citizens require goodly capital to make like goodly citizens of our republic.

Why don't you say it in plain English so we can discuss honestly and logically. I'm a liberal who's actually pretty moderate when I meet a moderate conservative.

Let me tell you the reality here. Poor peoplee make themselves poor. There was a time when this country needed bodies so it was anyones as long as they wanted to work. OK so societies built up and we have huge cities and prosperity and then recessions hit. Industries go away. I agree it is not your fault jobs left. So what do you do? Do you settle in and get used to living in impoverished conditions or do you do something about it? OK so let's say you decide to stay in the slums. Who's decision is that? You're free. You Do you. You can get a job or move. Eventually you are responsible for what you do.

Now here's the kicker. If you were hit hard and you have kids you might be fucked. But that doesn't mean your kids have to make the same mistakes you did.

If the birth rate went down corporations would start paying a wage a guy could raise a family on. They would need us to breed more. Right now they have plenty of poor saps breeding like crazy.

Poor people are screwing us all. When you are poor you have to have less kids!

Why do you believe you are liberal?

The reality is, the poor really are poor, when they make the lifestyle choices they do.

Full employment happened because of WWII.

I agree with you that Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is not the fault of Labor, but the fault of Capitalists who maximize capital profit at the expense of human and more social, capital.

The rich get a capital gains tax preference, to make more money, by investing in our economy and ensure full employment or a growing economy. In other words, for a Jobs Boom.

If that doesn't happen the rich are no better than the poor you impugn to be only "contemptible scoundrels" who don't earn their wealth.

The Age of Corporate Welfare sounds good. Why does the fantastical right wing, have Any problems with welfare for real Persons and not artificial persons.

Equal protection of the law regarding employment at will should mean Labor can quit and collect unemployment compensation, even in Right to Work States.

Why am I liberal? Because I believe and agree with most everything you say. But since poor people don't vote they don't matter. They've shown the Republicans are right about them. Can't even be bothered to vote.

So in a perfect world I agree with you. But we lost so it is up to Republicans to prove us wrong. Their right the poor have grown comfortable in poverty and anyone in America is poor because they or their parents put them in that situation.

My parents left Greece and moved here for a better life. They worked hard and made it. Is it really impossible to get out of Detroit?

Why blame the poor for the problems of a City within a State? Is there no commander in chief of that which is necessary to the security of a free State or county Sheriffs that can ensure law and order with the Power of the County at their disposal.

Should I make a motion to ask a Kentucky Colonel, for leadership advice.

 

[sealybobo]

And if you can't find a way out of poverty don't pass on that gene. I was born in Detroit in 1970 and we got out. Glad I was born. Life is good. Many black people worked at Ford in metro Detroit but they chose to stay in Detroit rather than get out. The jobs went away now their kids are stuck in Detroit. Their parents should have got out like we did.

Black people didn't want to buy a $50k home in a nice neighborhood they stayed in Detroit got a $15k house and a $35k Cadillac. Black people with money were great for the economy back then God bless them.

But did blacks with money make detroit a great place? Nope. Corruption and fatherlessness created what we have now.

Poor people, stop having kids. Wages will go up

 

[sealybobo]

When it comes to the poor im starting to agree with Republicans. The poo, in general, are bad citizens and wwe're subsodizing it.

But when it comes to workers I agree with liberals. Republicans would make us all poor if they could. Labor isn't an asset to them its an expense.

Good citizens require goodly capital to make like goodly citizens of our republic.

Why don't you say it in plain English so we can discuss honestly and logically. I'm a liberal who's actually pretty moderate when I meet a moderate conservative.

Let me tell you the reality here. Poor peoplee make themselves poor. There was a time when this country needed bodies so it was anyones as long as they wanted to work. OK so societies built up and we have huge cities and prosperity and then recessions hit. Industries go away. I agree it is not your fault jobs left. So what do you do? Do you settle in and get used to living in impoverished conditions or do you do something about it? OK so let's say you decide to stay in the slums. Who's decision is that? You're free. You Do you. You can get a job or move. Eventually you are responsible for what you do.

Now here's the kicker. If you were hit hard and you have kids you might be fucked. But that doesn't mean your kids have to make the same mistakes you did.

If the birth rate went down corporations would start paying a wage a guy could raise a family on. They would need us to breed more. Right now they have plenty of poor saps breeding like crazy.

Poor people are screwing us all. When you are poor you have to have less kids!

Why do you believe you are liberal?

The reality is, the poor really are poor, when they make the lifestyle choices they do.

Full employment happened because of WWII.

I agree with you that Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is not the fault of Labor, but the fault of Capitalists who maximize capital profit at the expense of human and more social, capital.

The rich get a capital gains tax preference, to make more money, by investing in our economy and ensure full employment or a growing economy. In other words, for a Jobs Boom.

If that doesn't happen the rich are no better than the poor you impugn to be only "contemptible scoundrels" who don't earn their wealth.

The Age of Corporate Welfare sounds good. Why does the fantastical right wing, have Any problems with welfare for real Persons and not artificial persons.

Equal protection of the law regarding employment at will should mean Labor can quit and collect unemployment compensation, even in Right to Work States.

Why am I liberal? Because I believe and agree with most everything you say. But since poor people don't vote they don't matter. They've shown the Republicans are right about them. Can't even be bothered to vote.

So in a perfect world I agree with you. But we lost so it is up to Republicans to prove us wrong. Their right the poor have grown comfortable in poverty and anyone in America is poor because they or their parents put them in that situation.

My parents left Greece and moved here for a better life. They worked hard and made it. Is it really impossible to get out of Detroit?

Why blame the poor for the problems of a City within a State? Is there no commander in chief of that which is necessary to the security of a free State or county Sheriffs that can ensure law and order with the Power of the County at their disposal.

Should I make a motion to ask a Kentucky Colonel, for leadership advice.

I feel bad for people who lost their jobs and that's why they are struggling. People hurting because of no fault of their own. But what now? Republicans make a point that moving forward, people have to start living accordingly. Do you think it's OK for a poor single women to have 2-5 kids? And still you defend single poor women with 2-5 kids. Untill eventually it's acceptable for poor single women to have. 2-5 kids. It's not.

 

[rightwinger]

And if you can't find a way out of poverty don't pass on that gene. I was born in Detroit in 1970 and we got out. Glad I was born. Life is good. Many black people worked at Ford in metro Detroit but they chose to stay in Detroit rather than get out. The jobs went away now their kids are stuck in Detroit. Their parents should have got out like we did.

Black people didn't want to buy a $50k home in a nice neighborhood they stayed in Detroit got a $15k house and a $35k Cadillac. Black people with money were great for the economy back then God bless them.

But did blacks with money make detroit a great place? Nope. Corruption and fatherlessness created what we have now.

Poor people, stop having kids. Wages will go up

Those who could leave Detroit and find work elsewhere did
Those who couldn't were stuck.
You are blaming the victim. It was the capitalists who used up Detroit and abandoned it
Why don't you apply the same standard to those who have lived in Appalacia for generations?