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i don't hate america. i support american and the constitution. you clearly don't. you want the house to not have a voice. the house of REPRESENTATIVES.
if they can compromise, great. that is the whole purpose of checks and balances. you're almost ready to accept the truth.
you don't support the Constitution.
You think the House should be able to kill a program by holding hostage the entire country.
that's called legislative terrorism.
Mind showing me where the Constitution says that just because some jackass gets elected to the Presidency, he gets a blank check to do whatever he pleases, and the people get to shut up and sit down for the rest of his term?
I am ON topic. YOU just don't get it.
Too late. YOU are OWNED...as is this thread...BY ME.
stop trolling already and get back to the topic.
The House isn't holding the country hostage. It did its job. It's the Senate holding the country hostage be refusing to do ITS job until it gets everything it wants handed to it.
If you knew anything about the Constitution you purport to want to uphold, you'd know that this is the reason that Congress has the funding power, and the process for spending bills is set up the way that it is.
NO NOT ALL of the Congress...And guess what? That same bunch is gonna shut it down by DEFUNDING...Obama and REID will be responsible for what happens...Mind showing me where the Constitution says that just because some jackass gets elected to the Presidency, he gets a blank check to do whatever he pleases, and the people get to shut up and sit down for the rest of his term?
do whatever he pleases???
Congress approved ObamaCare, bud.
NO NOT ALL of the Congress...And guess what? That same bunch is gonna shut it down by DEFUNDING...Obama and REID will be responsible for what happens...
Are you this stupid in real life?
Really? NO not ALL of Congress voted for it. TRY again.NO NOT ALL of the Congress...And guess what? That same bunch is gonna shut it down by DEFUNDING...Obama and REID will be responsible for what happens...
Are you this stupid in real life?
Yes my friend, ALL of Congress voted for and approved ObamaCare.
It passed in the House and it passed in the Senate.
Well if Obamacare is going to fail, then house republicans should simply allow it fail, claim a victory at polls and repeal it. However, this charade has nothing to do with Obamacare. It's about striking a deal with the Senate to reduce discretionary spending.The Senate will not approve the House bill.
so what will the House do? will the House submit a new bill that funds the government and the ACA?
if the House cares about America, they will submit a bill that the Senate will pass.
as for the debt, we must pay our debts.
The House approved spending. They must now approve debt to pay for that spending.
Otherwise we will be a deadbeat nation.
If the law will just be a debacle, Republicans should let it take effect, ride the catastrophe to overwhelming victory in the 2014 midterms, and then use their massive congressional majorities to repeal it.
Rather, as EJ Dionne writes, the real fear is that the law will succeed. Once Obamacare begins delivering health insurance to millions of Americans it will become effectively impossible to repeal. That's what's happened in every other country that's introduced a national health-care system. That's why the right needs to stop Obamacare before it begins. This is looking more and more like a last ditch effort of conservatives to stop the inevitable.
Wonkbook: Shutting down the government won?t stop Obamacare. It might even help it.
Nobody that has half a brain thinks Obamacare is going to work. The proof of that is that Obama delayed the employee mandate for a year by inventing a clause that gave him an out. You should point that simple truth out to the idiot that wrote the ridiculous argument that Republicans are afraid the bill is going to turn into a pot of gold.
if that happens, the american people have spoken. until then....quit crying and quit holding the government hostage over a stupid program.
Didn't the american people already speak Obama won two terms.
Mind showing me where the Constitution says that just because some jackass gets elected to the Presidency, he gets a blank check to do whatever he pleases, and the people get to shut up and sit down for the rest of his term?
nope....the house was created to do just what it did
the house is fighting the tyranny of the senate and WH, exactly what the founding fathers wanted. why do you hate the constitution?
THIS^^ We will never capitulate to tyranny. Leftists had better learn it and be ready for one HELL of a fight.
I guess that is better then not being productive and getting things that we actually need done? eh.
I think this is a bad idea not saying i like the healthcare bill and i think it needs to go or be changed but causing a shutdown over one bill still seems kind of ludicrous to me.
Government shutdown threat points to seismic shift in Congress
only a minority of Americans want the debt limit to be left where it is.
hopefully the GOP will listen to The People and raise the debt ceiling.
NEVER trifle with the will of the people...a lesson the left has YET to learn. WE are pissed. Boehner sees it. NO backing down.
GET READY for a reckoning.
Bohener was dragged kicking to this table to GROW a set...We will see indeed. HIS days he sees are numbered IF he doesn't follow through.NEVER trifle with the will of the people...a lesson the left has YET to learn. WE are pissed. Boehner sees it. NO backing down.
GET READY for a reckoning.
The problem isn't the American people seeing and understanding what's really going on, or having the will to support it. The problem is, as always, the Republicans producing a complete set of nads amongst them.
So we'll see.
Really? NO not ALL of Congress voted for it. TRY again.
The House of Representatives and the Senate, is ALL of Congress.
American Government 101.
The final vote for passage of ACA as Obama signed it into law:
The final vote tally in the House was 219-212, with 34 Democrats joining all Republicans in opposition. The Senate passed the bill 60 to 39.
So not all of Congress voted for it.
Thanks for the figures, Foxy...That poster knows it...HE expects US to buy into his OUR WAY or the HIGHWAY BS as to run roughshod over the people that didn't want this in the first place.Really? NO not ALL of Congress voted for it. TRY again.
The House of Representatives and the Senate, is ALL of Congress.
American Government 101.
The final vote for passage of ACA as Obama signed it into law:
The final vote tally in the House was 219-212, with 34 Democrats joining all Republicans in opposition. The Senate passed the bill 60 to 39.
So not all of Congress voted for it.
THIS^^ We will never capitulate to tyranny. Leftists had better learn it and be ready for one HELL of a fight.
I guess that is better then not being productive and getting things that we actually need done? eh.
How are they being unproductive and not getting done what we need done? They passed a funding bill. Funded everything we need, and many things we don't. They also declined to fund something that's fundamentally broken, and even President Obama himself admits that - because there really is no other way to interpret such actions as illegally postponing the employer mandate and the scads of illegal waivers he's authorized. This puppy is hardly ready to function right off the assembly line, completely aside from the disaster it would be even if it WAS prepared to work the way it's intended to, and the House would be derelict in its duty if it didn't recognize how unready Obamacare is to actually go forward.
