Great moments in American socialism history.

[Claudette]

Dont believe the Gop plan to label everything “socialism “ as a bad thing . Throughout US history we have had socialist type programs and projects that have greatly benefited the USA.

For example

HOOVER DAM. Basically the project opened up the entire southwest US to a viable place for .people and business .


Hoover Dam > ENGINEERING.com

Irrigation of more than one million acres of land in the United States and nearly half a million acres in Mexico.

These croplands, some of America's richest, grow a wide variety of fruits, vegetables, cotton, wheat, and hay throughout the year, generating millions of dollars for local economies.

Meeting the domestic water needs of more than 18 million people in homes and businesses in Las Vegas, Los Angeles, San Diego, Phoenix, Tucson, and other southwestern cities, towns and Indian communities in Arizona, Nevada, and California.

Hmmm...Hoover Dam was a socialist program?

Yes . What else would you call it? It was a big government sponsored , tax payer paid for , project designed to benefit business improve the life of those residing in that part of the county .

And it worked wonderfully.

Oh I don't know, how about to irrigate and provide hydroelectric power to California and Arizona. And to control seasonal flooding of the Colorado River. You seem to have quite a loose definition of Socialism.

That he does. But its Timmy. Did you expect anything else.

The Hoover dam a socialist project?? Not fucking hardly.

 

[Timmy]

An argument over socialism should begin with a definition of the word.

any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

Yes that’s true . But since when does the president or conservatives use it in that way ? Have you noticed it’s a big buzzword forbthem lately .

I find that pretty much everyone misuses the word. Most conservatives that I know are responding to calls for socialism from the left. Many are pointing out that things like social security do not fit the definition.

Word .

Which is why I keep calling the cons out . None of them can define or give examples of socialism in America . It’s all a scare tactic .

Conservatives are not the ones calling for socialism. We see this in particular in academia. Most recent polling I've seen says that among college age folks more than half have a positive view of socialism. Sadly they've been taught an erroneous definition of socialism. Many on the right are trying to explain to these kids that they are being sold nonsense.

Because people define “socialism “ broadly . They see stuff like mass transit and socai security as socialism.

 

[Norman]

Dont believe the Gop plan to label everything “socialism “ as a bad thing . Throughout US history we have had socialist type programs and projects that have greatly benefited the USA.

For example

HOOVER DAM. Basically the project opened up the entire southwest US to a viable place for .people and business .


Hoover Dam > ENGINEERING.com

Irrigation of more than one million acres of land in the United States and nearly half a million acres in Mexico.

These croplands, some of America's richest, grow a wide variety of fruits, vegetables, cotton, wheat, and hay throughout the year, generating millions of dollars for local economies.

Meeting the domestic water needs of more than 18 million people in homes and businesses in Las Vegas, Los Angeles, San Diego, Phoenix, Tucson, and other southwestern cities, towns and Indian communities in Arizona, Nevada, and California.

Will you never shut up about the failed system called socialism?

We get it Timmy, you are a loser. That's why you like socialism so much. It's a losing system for and by losers. Why you must declare your loserdom for all constantly though, that's more difficult to understand.

 

[Timmy]

Dont believe the Gop plan to label everything “socialism “ as a bad thing . Throughout US history we have had socialist type programs and projects that have greatly benefited the USA.

For example

HOOVER DAM. Basically the project opened up the entire southwest US to a viable place for .people and business .


Hoover Dam > ENGINEERING.com

Irrigation of more than one million acres of land in the United States and nearly half a million acres in Mexico.

These croplands, some of America's richest, grow a wide variety of fruits, vegetables, cotton, wheat, and hay throughout the year, generating millions of dollars for local economies.

Meeting the domestic water needs of more than 18 million people in homes and businesses in Las Vegas, Los Angeles, San Diego, Phoenix, Tucson, and other southwestern cities, towns and Indian communities in Arizona, Nevada, and California.

Hmmm...Hoover Dam was a socialist program?

Yes . What else would you call it? It was a big government sponsored , tax payer paid for , project designed to benefit business improve the life of those residing in that part of the county .

And it worked wonderfully.

Oh I don't know, how about to irrigate and provide hydroelectric power to California and Arizona. And to control seasonal flooding of the Colorado River. You seem to have quite a loose definition of Socialism.

That he does. But its Timmy. Did you expect anything else.

The Hoover dam a socialist project?? Not fucking hardly.

Then what is ?? Simple question.

 

[Claudette]

An argument over socialism should begin with a definition of the word.

any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

Yes that’s true . But since when does the president or conservatives use it in that way ? Have you noticed it’s a big buzzword forbthem lately .

I find that pretty much everyone misuses the word. Most conservatives that I know are responding to calls for socialism from the left. Many are pointing out that things like social security do not fit the definition.

Word .

Which is why I keep calling the cons out . None of them can define or give examples of socialism in America . It’s all a scare tactic .

Conservatives are not the ones calling for socialism. We see this in particular in academia. Most recent polling I've seen says that among college age folks more than half have a positive view of socialism. Sadly they've been taught an erroneous definition of socialism. Many on the right are trying to explain to these kids that they are being sold nonsense.

Sure college kids like socialism till they get out in the real world and realize they will have to pay for a family, kids, a mortgage, cars.

Then they smarten up and realize no one but them will be paying for anything.

 

[MisterBeale]

When folks call fascism socialism, you get all hot and bothered.

Yet all the examples you have cited are the mixing of government handing out private contracts to corporations to do government work, i. e., corporatism. NOT PURE SOCIALISM, BUT CORPORATISM. IOW, FASCISM.

"Fascism's theory of economic corporatism involved management of sectors of the economy by government or privately-controlled organizations (corporations).[citation needed] Each trade union or employer corporation would theoretically represent its professional concerns, especially by negotiation of labour contracts and the like. It was theorized that this method could result in harmony amongst social classes.[33] However, authors have noted that historically de facto economic corporatism was also used to reduce opposition and reward political loyalty.[34]"
Corporatism - Wikipedia

Let the forum record show, Timmy is a fascist. . . .

 

[dblack]

An argument over socialism should begin with a definition of the word.

That would spoil all the fun!

 

[MisterBeale]

Dont believe the Gop plan to label everything “socialism “ as a bad thing . Throughout US history we have had socialist type programs and projects that have greatly benefited the USA.

For example

HOOVER DAM. Basically the project opened up the entire southwest US to a viable place for .people and business .


Hoover Dam > ENGINEERING.com

Irrigation of more than one million acres of land in the United States and nearly half a million acres in Mexico.

These croplands, some of America's richest, grow a wide variety of fruits, vegetables, cotton, wheat, and hay throughout the year, generating millions of dollars for local economies.

Meeting the domestic water needs of more than 18 million people in homes and businesses in Las Vegas, Los Angeles, San Diego, Phoenix, Tucson, and other southwestern cities, towns and Indian communities in Arizona, Nevada, and California.

Hoover Dam was not a socialist project, good grief!

Agreed.

It was a Corporatist, or fascist project. It was greatly admired by the likes of Hitler and Mussolini.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Dont believe the Gop plan to label everything “socialism “ as a bad thing . Throughout US history we have had socialist type programs and projects that have greatly benefited the USA.

For example

HOOVER DAM. Basically the project opened up the entire southwest US to a viable place for .people and business .


Hoover Dam > ENGINEERING.com

Irrigation of more than one million acres of land in the United States and nearly half a million acres in Mexico.

These croplands, some of America's richest, grow a wide variety of fruits, vegetables, cotton, wheat, and hay throughout the year, generating millions of dollars for local economies.

Meeting the domestic water needs of more than 18 million people in homes and businesses in Las Vegas, Los Angeles, San Diego, Phoenix, Tucson, and other southwestern cities, towns and Indian communities in Arizona, Nevada, and California.

Is this more bullshit where you call everything socialist so you can get REAL socialism here?

.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Then what is ?? Simple question.

Government exclusively owning the means of production.

 

[Timmy]

An argument over socialism should begin with a definition of the word.

any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

Yes that’s true . But since when does the president or conservatives use it in that way ? Have you noticed it’s a big buzzword forbthem lately .

I find that pretty much everyone misuses the word. Most conservatives that I know are responding to calls for socialism from the left. Many are pointing out that things like social security do not fit the definition.

Word .

Which is why I keep calling the cons out . None of them can define or give examples of socialism in America . It’s all a scare tactic .

Conservatives are not the ones calling for socialism. We see this in particular in academia. Most recent polling I've seen says that among college age folks more than half have a positive view of socialism. Sadly they've been taught an erroneous definition of socialism. Many on the right are trying to explain to these kids that they are being sold nonsense.

Sure college kids like socialism till they get out in the real world and realize they will have to pay for a family, kids, a mortgage, cars.

Then they smarten up and realize no one but them will be paying for anything.

Oh shut up. You can’t even give me an example of socialism yet y’all run around complaining about it all day .

 

[dblack]

Dont believe the Gop plan to label everything “socialism “ as a bad thing . Throughout US history we have had socialist type programs and projects that have greatly benefited the USA.

For example

HOOVER DAM. Basically the project opened up the entire southwest US to a viable place for .people and business .


Hoover Dam > ENGINEERING.com

Irrigation of more than one million acres of land in the United States and nearly half a million acres in Mexico.

These croplands, some of America's richest, grow a wide variety of fruits, vegetables, cotton, wheat, and hay throughout the year, generating millions of dollars for local economies.

Meeting the domestic water needs of more than 18 million people in homes and businesses in Las Vegas, Los Angeles, San Diego, Phoenix, Tucson, and other southwestern cities, towns and Indian communities in Arizona, Nevada, and California.

Is this more bullshit where you call everything socialist so you can get REAL socialism here?

That's pretty much what they're up to. Flim-flam. They're trying to tell everyone that socialism doesn't really mean anything at all. No worries!

 

[baileyn45]

An argument over socialism should begin with a definition of the word.

any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

Yes that’s true . But since when does the president or conservatives use it in that way ? Have you noticed it’s a big buzzword forbthem lately .

I find that pretty much everyone misuses the word. Most conservatives that I know are responding to calls for socialism from the left. Many are pointing out that things like social security do not fit the definition.

Word .

Which is why I keep calling the cons out . None of them can define or give examples of socialism in America . It’s all a scare tactic .

Conservatives are not the ones calling for socialism. We see this in particular in academia. Most recent polling I've seen says that among college age folks more than half have a positive view of socialism. Sadly they've been taught an erroneous definition of socialism. Many on the right are trying to explain to these kids that they are being sold nonsense.

Because people define “socialism “ broadly . They see stuff like mass transit and socai security as socialism.

To me that's the problem. I argue with my nieces and nephews about this all the time. There is a difference between social policies and socialism. Social policies can be wide and varied, socialism is more specific.

 

[Timmy]

Then what is ?? Simple question.

Government exclusively owning the means of production.

Great . Now give an example of this in the USA . Cause apparently the Dems are trying to do this . If you listen to the cons .

 

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[baileyn45]

An argument over socialism should begin with a definition of the word.

That would spoil all the fun!

Oh so true, at least on web forums!

 

[dblack]

Yes that’s true . But since when does the president or conservatives use it in that way ? Have you noticed it’s a big buzzword forbthem lately .

I find that pretty much everyone misuses the word. Most conservatives that I know are responding to calls for socialism from the left. Many are pointing out that things like social security do not fit the definition.

Word .

Which is why I keep calling the cons out . None of them can define or give examples of socialism in America . It’s all a scare tactic .

Conservatives are not the ones calling for socialism. We see this in particular in academia. Most recent polling I've seen says that among college age folks more than half have a positive view of socialism. Sadly they've been taught an erroneous definition of socialism. Many on the right are trying to explain to these kids that they are being sold nonsense.

Sure college kids like socialism till they get out in the real world and realize they will have to pay for a family, kids, a mortgage, cars.

Then they smarten up and realize no one but them will be paying for anything.

Oh shut up. You can’t even give me an example of socialism yet y’all run around complaining about it all day.

Yes that’s true . But since when does the president or conservatives use it in that way ? Have you noticed it’s a big buzzword forbthem lately .

I find that pretty much everyone misuses the word. Most conservatives that I know are responding to calls for socialism from the left. Many are pointing out that things like social security do not fit the definition.

Word .

Which is why I keep calling the cons out . None of them can define or give examples of socialism in America . It’s all a scare tactic .

Conservatives are not the ones calling for socialism. We see this in particular in academia. Most recent polling I've seen says that among college age folks more than half have a positive view of socialism. Sadly they've been taught an erroneous definition of socialism. Many on the right are trying to explain to these kids that they are being sold nonsense.

Because people define “socialism “ broadly . They see stuff like mass transit and socai security as socialism.

To me that's the problem. I argue with my nieces and nephews about this all the time. There is a difference between social policies and socialism. Social policies can be wide and varied, socialism is more specific.

Socialism is an ideology, not any specific policy. Here's a common definition: "a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

Socialism isn't regulation, it isn't public works projects. It's an ideology centered on eliminating individual ownership and control of capital.

 

[Indeependent]

Dont believe the Gop plan to label everything “socialism “ as a bad thing . Throughout US history we have had socialist type programs and projects that have greatly benefited the USA.

For example

HOOVER DAM. Basically the project opened up the entire southwest US to a viable place for .people and business .


Hoover Dam > ENGINEERING.com

Irrigation of more than one million acres of land in the United States and nearly half a million acres in Mexico.

These croplands, some of America's richest, grow a wide variety of fruits, vegetables, cotton, wheat, and hay throughout the year, generating millions of dollars for local economies.

Meeting the domestic water needs of more than 18 million people in homes and businesses in Las Vegas, Los Angeles, San Diego, Phoenix, Tucson, and other southwestern cities, towns and Indian communities in Arizona, Nevada, and California.

Government building a road or damn is not socialism, shitforbrains.

What is a socialism project ?

Free health care.
Tell us, genius, how many industries are involved in health care?
Way too many to be sustained by tax dollars.

 

[Timmy]

Dont believe the Gop plan to label everything “socialism “ as a bad thing . Throughout US history we have had socialist type programs and projects that have greatly benefited the USA.

For example

HOOVER DAM. Basically the project opened up the entire southwest US to a viable place for .people and business .


Hoover Dam > ENGINEERING.com

Irrigation of more than one million acres of land in the United States and nearly half a million acres in Mexico.

These croplands, some of America's richest, grow a wide variety of fruits, vegetables, cotton, wheat, and hay throughout the year, generating millions of dollars for local economies.

Meeting the domestic water needs of more than 18 million people in homes and businesses in Las Vegas, Los Angeles, San Diego, Phoenix, Tucson, and other southwestern cities, towns and Indian communities in Arizona, Nevada, and California.

Is this more bullshit where you call everything socialist so you can get REAL socialism here?

That's pretty much what they're up to. Flim-flam. They're trying to tell everyone that socialism doesn't really mean anything at all. No worries!

Like what? What are you afraid of? What are we trying to change .

The flimflam is on the gop side . Trying to fear monger with shouting “socialism “ at everything.

 

[Claudette]

Yes that’s true . But since when does the president or conservatives use it in that way ? Have you noticed it’s a big buzzword forbthem lately .

I find that pretty much everyone misuses the word. Most conservatives that I know are responding to calls for socialism from the left. Many are pointing out that things like social security do not fit the definition.

Word .

Which is why I keep calling the cons out . None of them can define or give examples of socialism in America . It’s all a scare tactic .

Conservatives are not the ones calling for socialism. We see this in particular in academia. Most recent polling I've seen says that among college age folks more than half have a positive view of socialism. Sadly they've been taught an erroneous definition of socialism. Many on the right are trying to explain to these kids that they are being sold nonsense.

Sure college kids like socialism till they get out in the real world and realize they will have to pay for a family, kids, a mortgage, cars.

Then they smarten up and realize no one but them will be paying for anything.

Oh shut up. You can’t even give me an example of socialism yet y’all run around complaining about it all day .

No. You shut up. You don't seem to know what socialism is.

Carry on clueless.