Gruber: Biggest Ass in America?

[AmericanGirl05]

Oh, but he is. He is an incompetent Chief Executive.

I had to work in his administration. It was terrible.

example?

I was a career civil servant. The overpoliticization of the Executive Branch (and I don't have time to go back over the Pendleton Act and why we have a professional civil service) in order to advance a pure political agenda as opposed to doing what is right for America regardless was disgusting.

The creation of new victim classes, the incompetent political appointees, the bad decisions, period.

What?

You were a government employee? You sponged off of taxpayers your whole career? You are welcome.

I worked for the American people. I swore an oath to uphold the Constitution.

I did not work for someone else's profit motive.

I am proud of my career.

I have problems understanding why you liberals have such contempt for us civil servants.

Where did you get that notion? You have liberals mixed up with the rabid righties. They are the ones who want to see government employees put into the streets.

Oh, no, no, no.

For one thing, I get it here from liberals like yourself and on other message boards from liberals. NEVER ONCE from a conservative poster.

Secondly, the best President to work for in the sense of respect for rank and file Feds was Old Man Bush.

The worst was Obama. And it shows. The Washington Post today recounts how Federal morale is sinking under him.

Federal workers even less happy than last year survey shows - The Washington Post

 

[AmericanGirl05]

Oh, but he is. He is an incompetent Chief Executive.

I had to work in his administration. It was terrible.

example?

I was a career civil servant. The overpoliticization of the Executive Branch (and I don't have time to go back over the Pendleton Act and why we have a professional civil service) in order to advance a pure political agenda as opposed to doing what is right for America regardless was disgusting.

The creation of new victim classes, the incompetent political appointees, the bad decisions, period.

What?

You were a government employee? You sponged off of taxpayers your whole career? You are welcome.

I worked for the American people. I swore an oath to uphold the Constitution.

I did not work for someone else's profit motive.

I am proud of my career.

I have problems understanding why you liberals have such contempt for us civil servants.

You dumb ass. Liberals dig civil servants. Nutters think you are a worthless drain on taxpayers. You moron.

Who's dumping on me here?

Not the conservatives.

Duh.

 

[The Rabbi]

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This list consists of American politicians convicted of crimes either committed or prosecuted while holding office in the federal government. It includes politicians who were convicted or pleaded guilty in a court of law; and does not include politicians involved in unprosecuted scandals (which may or may not have been illegal in nature), or politicians who have only been arrested or indicted. The list also does not include crimes which occur outside the politician’s tenure unless they specifically stem from acts while they were in office.
Although the convicted politicians are arranged by presidential terms starting with the most recent, many of the crimes have little or no connection to who is President.

2009– (Barack Obama (D) presidency)[edit]
Legislative Branch[edit]

• Senator Mike Crapo (R-ID) was arrested on December 23, 2012 and later pleaded guilty to drinking and driving in a Virginia court. The court fined him 250 dollars. He was sentenced to 180 days in prison, but served no time. (2013)[1][2][3]
• Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D-IL) pleaded guilty on February 20, 2013 to one count of wire and mail fraud in connection with his misuse of $750,000 of campaign funds. Jackson was sentenced to two and half years imprisonment. (2013)[4]
• Rick Renzi (R-AZ) on June 12, 2013 was found guilty of 17 of the 32 counts against him, including wire fraud, conspiracy, extortion, racketeering, money laundering and making false statements to insurance regulators. (2013)[5]
• Trey Radel (R-FL) was convicted of misdemeanor possession of cocaine in November, 2013. As a first time offender, he was sentenced to one year probation and fined $250. Radel announced he would take a leave of absence, but did not resign. Later, under pressure from a number of Republican leaders, he announced through a spokesperson that he would do so. (2013)[6][7][8][9]

Judicial Branch[edit]

• Samuel B. Kent (R) The Federal District Judge of Galveston, Texas was sentenced on May 11, 2009, to 33 months in prison for having lied about sexually harassing two female employees. He had been appointed to office by George H. W. Bush in 1990. (2009) [10][11]
• Thomas Porteous (D) The Federal Judge of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana was impeached, convicted and removed from office on December 8, 2010 on charges of bribery and lying to Congress. He had been appointed to office by Bill Clinton in 1994. (2010)[12]

2001–2009 (George W. Bush (R) presidency)[edit]
Executive branch[edit]
Legislative branch[edit]

• William J. Jefferson (D-LA) in August 2005 the FBI seized $90,000 in cash from Jefferson's home freezer. He was re-elected anyway, but lost in 2008. He was convicted of 11 counts of bribery and sentenced to 13 years in prison on November 13, 2009. (2009)[13] Jefferson's Chief of Staff Brett Pfeffer, was sentenced to 84 months for bribery. (2006) [14]
• Vito Fossella (R-NY) US Congressman convicted of drunken driving in 2008, appealed the charge, but then pled guilty in 2009.[15]
• Jack Abramoff CNMI scandal involves the efforts of Abramoff to influence Congressional action concerning U.S. immigration and minimum wage laws. See Executive branch convictions. Congressmen convicted in the Abramoff scandal include:

1. Bob Ney (R-OH) pleaded guilty to conspiracy and making false statements as a result of his receiving trips from Abramoff in exchange for legislative favors. Ney received 30 months in prison. (2007)[16]

• Senator Larry Craig (R-ID) Married Senator and vocal critic of Clinton's affair, pled guilty to disorderly conduct in a Minneapolis airport men's room, after having been arrested on a charge of homosexual lewd conduct.(2007) [17]
• Duke Cunningham (R-CA) pleaded guilty on November 28, 2005 to charges of conspiracy to commit bribery, mail fraud, wire fraud and tax evasion in what came to be called the Cunningham scandal. Sentenced to over eight years in prison. (2005)[18]
• Frank Ballance (D-NC) admitted to federal charges of money laundering and mail fraud in October 2005 and was sentenced to 4 years in prison. (2005)[19]
• Bill Janklow (R-SD) convicted of second-degree manslaughter for running a stop sign and killing a motorcyclist. Resigned from the House and given 100 days in the county jail and three years probation. (2003)[20]
• Jim Traficant (D-OH) found guilty on 10 felony counts of financial corruption was sentenced to 8 years in prison and expelled from the US House of Representatives. (2002) [21]

Judicial branch[edit]
1993–2001 (Clinton (D) presidency)[edit]
Executive branch[edit]
Legislative branch[edit]

• Mel Reynolds (D-IL) was convicted on 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornography. (1997) Was later convicted of 12 counts of bank fraud. (1999) [22]
• Walter R. Tucker III (D-CA) was sentenced to 27 months in prison in 1996 for extortion and tax evasion. (1995)
• Wes Cooley (R-OR), Cooley was convicted of having lied on the 1994 voter information pamphlet about his service in the Army. He was fined and sentenced to two years probation (1997)[23]
• Austin Murphy (D-PA) convicted of one count of voter fraud for filling out absentee ballots for members of a nursing home. (1999) [24]
• House banking scandal [25] The House of Representatives Bank found that 450 members had overdrawn their checking accounts, but not been penalized. Six were convicted of charges, most only tangentially related to the House Bank itself. Twenty two more of the most prolific over-drafters were singled out by the House Ethics Committee. (1992)

1. Buz Lukens (R-Ohio) convicted of bribery and conspiracy.[26]
2. Carl C. Perkins (D-Kentucky) pleaded guilty to a check kiting scheme involving several financial institutions (including the House Bank).[27]
3. Carroll Hubbard (D-Kentucky) convicted of illegally funneling money to his wife's 1992 campaign to succeed him in congress.[28]
4. Mary Rose Oakar (D-Ohio) pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor campaign finance charge not related to the House Bank.[29]
5. Walter Fauntroy (D-District of Columbia) convicted of filing false disclosure forms in order to hide unauthorized income.[30]

• Congressional Post Office scandal (1991–1995) A conspiracy to embezzle House Post Office money through stamps and postal vouchers to congressmen.[31]

1. Dan Rostenkowski (D-IL) Rostenkowski was convicted and sentenced to 18 months in prison, in 1995.[32]
2. Joe Kolter (D-Pennsylvania) Convicted of one count of conspiracy [33] and sentenced to 6 months in prison.[34]

• Jay Kim (R-CA) accepted $250,000 in illegal 1992 campaign contributions and was sentenced to two months house arrest (1992) [35]

1989–1993 (George H. W. Bush (R) presidency)[edit]
Executive branch[edit]

• Catalina Vasquez Villalpando, (R) Treasurer of the United States. Pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice and tax evasion. (1992)[36]

Legislative branch[edit]

• Nicholas Mavroules (D-Massachusetts) convicted of extortion, accepting illegal gifts and failing to report them on congressional disclosure and income tax forms. Mavroules pleaded guilty to fifteen counts in April 1993 and was sentenced to a fifteen-month prison term. (1993) [37][38][39]
• Albert Bustamante (D-Texas) convicted of accepting bribes. (1993) [40]
• David Durenberger Senator (R-Minnesota) denounced by Senate for unethical financial transactions and then disbarred (1990). He pleaded guilty to misuse of public funds and given one year probation (1995) [41]

Judicial Branch[edit]

• Robert Frederick Collins (D) Judge of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana. Convicted of Bribery and sentence to 6 years and 10 months.[42]
• Walter Nixon (D) US Judge (Mississippi) (appointed by Lyndon Johnson in 1968) Was impeached by the House and convicted by the Senate for perjury on November 3, (1989) [43]

1981–1989 (Reagan (R) presidency)[edit]
Executive branch[edit]
See also: Reagan administration scandals

• Housing and Urban Development Scandal A controversy concerning bribery by selected contractors for low income housing projects.[44]

1. James G. Watt (R) United States Secretary of the Interior, 1981–1983, charged with 25 counts of perjury and obstruction of justice. Sentenced to five years probation, fined $5,000 and 500 hours of community service[45]
2. Deborah Gore Dean, (R) Executive Assistant to (Samuel Pierce, Secretary of HUD 1981–1987, and not charged). Dean was convicted of 12 counts of perjury, conspiracy, bribery. Sentenced to 21 months in prison (1987).[46]
3. Phillip D. Winn (R) Assistant Secretary of HUD, 1981–1982, pleaded guilty to bribery in 1994.[46]
4. Thomas Demery, (R) Assistant Secretary of HUD, pleaded guilty to bribery and obstruction.[46]
5. Joseph A. Strauss, (R) Special Assistant to the Secretary of HUD, convicted for accepting payments to favor Puerto Rican land developers in receiving HUD funding.[47]

• Wedtech scandal Wedtech Corporation convicted of bribery for Defense Department contracts.[48]

1. Mario Biaggi (D-New York) sentenced to 2½ years. (1987)[49]
2. Robert Garcia (D-New York) sentenced to 2½ years.[50]

• Iran-Contra Affair (1985–1986); A secret sale of arms to Iran, to secure the release of hostages and allow U.S. intelligence agencies to fund the Nicaraguan Contras, in violation of the Boland Amendment.[51]

1. Caspar Weinberger (R) United States Secretary of Defense, was indicted on two counts of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice on June 16, 1992. [14]. Weinberger received a pardon before his trial from George H. W. Bush on December 24, 1992.[52]
2. Robert C. McFarlane (R) National Security Adviser, convicted of withholding evidence. Given 2 years probation. Later pardoned by President George H. W. Bush[53]
3. John Poindexter (R) National Security Advisor, was convicted on April 7, 1990 for his role in the Iran-Contra Affair. The convictions were reversed in 1991 on appeal .[54]
4. Oliver North (R) Member of the National Security Council, was fired by President Reagan on the same day Poindexter resigned.[55][56] North was found guilty of perjury and conspiracy, but the charges were overturned on appeal.
5. Elliott Abrams (R) Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs, convicted of withholding evidence. Given 2 years probation. Later pardoned by President George H. W. Bush.[57] http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/summpros.htm.

• Michael Deaver (R) White House Deputy Chief of Staff to Ronald Reagan 1981–85, pleaded guilty to perjury related to lobbying activities and was sentenced to 3 years probation and fined $100,000 [58]
• Sewergate A scandal in which funds from the EPA were selectively used for projects which would aid politicians friendly to the Reagan administration.

#Rita Lavelle (R), assistant EPA Administrator, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency misused ‘superfund' monies and was convicted of perjury. She served six months in prison, was fined $10,000 and given five years probation. (1984) [59]
Legislative branch[edit]

• Donald E. "Buz" Lukens (R-Ohio), Convicted of two counts of bribery and conspiracy. (1996) [60] See also Sex scandals.
• Abscam FBI sting involving fake 'Arabs' trying to bribe 31 congressmen.(1980) [61] The following Congressmen were convicted:

1. Harrison A. Williams Senator (D-New Jersey) Convicted on 9 counts of bribery and conspiracy. Sentenced to 3 years in prison.[62]
2. John Jenrette Representative (D-South Carolina) sentenced to two years in prison for bribery and conspiracy.[63]
3. Richard Kelly (R-Florida) Accepted $25K and then claimed he was conducting his own investigation into corruption. Served 13 months.[64]
4. Raymond Lederer (D-Pennsylvania) "I can give you me" he said after accepting $50K. Sentenced to 3 years.[65]
5. Michael Myers (D-Pennsylvania) Accepted $50K saying, "...money talks and bullshit walks." Sentenced to 3 years and was expelled from the House.[66]
6. Frank Thompson (D-New Jersey) Sentenced to 3 years.[67]
7. John M. Murphy (D-New York) Served 20 months of a 3-year sentence.[68]

• Mario Biaggi (D-New York), Convicted of obstruction of justice and accepting illegal gratuities he was sentenced to 2½ years in prison and fined $500K for his role in the Wedtech scandal, see above. Just before expulsion from the House, he resigned. The next year he was convicted of another 15 counts of obstruction and bribery. (1988) [69]
• Pat Swindall (R-Georgia) convicted of 6 counts of perjury. (1989) [70][71]
• George V. Hansen (R-Idaho) censured for failing to file out disclosure forms. Spent 15 months in prison.[72]
• Frederick W. Richmond (D-New York),Convicted of tax evasion and possession of marijuana. Served 9 months (1982) [73]
• Dan Flood (D-Pennsylvania) censured for bribery. After a trial ended in a deadlocked jury, pleaded guilty and was sentenced to a year's probation.[74][75]
• Joshua Eilberg (D-Pennsylvania) pleaded guilty to conflict-of-interest charges. In addition, he convinced president Carter to fire the U.S. Attorney investigating his case.[76]

Judicial branch scandals[edit]

• Alcee Hastings (D-Florida), Federal District court judge impeached by the House and convicted by the Senate of soliciting a bribe (1989).[77] Subsequently elected to the U.S. House of Representatives (1992)
• Harry Claiborne (D-Nebraska), Federal District court Judge impeached by the House and convicted by the Senate on two counts of tax evasion. He served over one year in prison.[78]

1977–1981 (Carter (D) presidency)[edit]
Legislative branch[edit]

• Fred Richmond (D-New York) – Convicted of tax fraud and possession of marijuana. Served 9 months in prsion. Charges of soliciting sex from a 16-year-old boy were dropped after he submitted to counseling. (1978) [79]
• Charles Diggs (D-Michigan), convicted on 29 charges of mail fraud and filing false payroll forms which formed a kickback scheme with his staff. Sentenced to 3 years (1978) [80]
• Michael Myers (D-Pennsylvania) Received suspended six-month jail term after pleading no contest to disorderly conduct charged stemming from an incident at a Virginia bar in which he allegedly attacked a hotel security guard and a cashier.[81]
• Frank M. Clark (D-Pennsylvania) pleaded guilty to mail fraud and tax evasion on June 12, 1979 and sentenced to two years in prison.[82]
• Koreagate scandal involving alleged bribery of more than 30 members of Congress by the South Korean government represented by Tongsun Park.[83]
• Richard Tonry (D-Louisiana) pleaded guilty to receiving illegal campaign contributions.[84]

1974–1977 (Ford (R) presidency)[edit]
Legislative branch[edit]

• James F. Hastings (R-New York), convicted of kickbacks and mail fraud, he also took money from his employees for personal use. Served 14 months at Allenwood penitentiary. (1976) [85]
• John V. Dowdy (D-Texas), Allegedly tried to stop a federal investigation of a construction firm. He served 6 months in prison for perjury. (1973) [86][87]
• Bertram Podell (D-New York), pleaded guilty to conspiracy and conflict of interest. He was fined $5,000 and served four months in prison. (1974)[88]
• Frank Brasco (D-New York) Sentenced to three months in jail and fined $10,000 for conspiracy to accept bribes from a reputed Mafia figure who sought truck leasing contracts from the Post Office and loans to buy trucks.[76]
• Richard T. Hanna (D-CA), convicted in an influence-buying scandal. (1974)[89]

1969–1974 (Nixon (R) presidency)[edit]
Executive branch[edit]

• Watergate (1972–1973) Republican 'bugging' of the Democratic Party National Headquarters at the Watergate Hotel led to a burglary which was discovered. The cover up of the affair by President Richard Nixon (R) and his staff resulted in 69 government officials being charged and 48 pleading guilty, including 7 for actual burglary. Eventually, Nixon resigned his position.[90]

1. John N. Mitchell (R) former Attorney General, convicted of perjury.[91]
2. Frederick C. LaRue (R) Advisor to John Mitchell, convicted of obstruction of justice.[92]
3. Richard Kleindienst (R) Attorney General, found guilty of "refusing to answer questions" given one month in jail.[93]
4. H. R. Haldeman (R) Chief of Staff for Nixon, convicted of perjury [94]
5. John Ehrlichman (R) Counsel to Nixon, convicted of perjury.[95]
6. Egil Krogh (R) Aide to John Ehrlichman, sentenced to 6 months.[92]
7. John W. Dean III (R) Counsel to Nixon, convicted of obstruction of justice.[92]
8. Dwight L. Chapin (R) Deputy Assistant to Nixon, convicted of perjury.[92]
9. Charles W. Colson (R) Special Consul to Nixon, convicted of obstruction of justice.[93]

Legislative branch[edit]

• Cornelius Gallagher (D-New Jersey) pleaded guilty to tax evasion, and served two years in prison.[96]
• J. Irving Whalley (R-Pennsylvania) Received suspended three-year sentence and fined $11,000 in 1973 for using mails to deposit staff salary kickbacks and threatening an employee to prevent her from giving information to the FBI.[76]
• Martin B. McKneally (R-New York) Placed on one-year probation and fined $5,000 in 1971 for failing to file income tax return. He had not paid taxes for many years prior.[97]
• New York US Representative James Fred Hastings (R-NY) was a delegate to the 1968 Republican National Convention and the 1972 Republican National Convention. He was elected to Congress in 1968 and served from January 3, 1969, until he resigned on January 20, 1976 after being convicted of kickbacks and mail fraud. He served 14 months at Allenwood penitentiary (1976).[85]

1963–1969 (Lyndon B. Johnson (D) presidency)[edit]
Legislative branch[edit]

• Ted Kennedy Senator (D-Massachusetts) drove his car into the channel between Chappaquiddick Island and Martha's Vineyard, killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne. Kennedy pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident and received a suspended sentence of two months [98] (1969)
• Daniel Brewster (D-Maryland) Senator pleaded no contest to accepting " an unlawful gratuity without corrupt intent ".[99]
• Frank W. Boykin Congressman (D-AL) was convicted of conspiracy and conflict of interest in July 1963.[100]

1961–1963 (Kennedy (D) presidency)[edit]
Legislative branch[edit]

• Thomas F. Johnson (D-Maryland) was convicted of conspiracy and conflict of interest regarding the receipt of illegal gratuities.[101]
• Frank Boykin (D-Alabama) Was placed on probation and fined $40,000 following conviction in a case involving a conflict of interest and conspiracy to defraud the government. He was pardoned by President Lyndon Johnson in 1965.[102]

1953–1961 (Eisenhower (R) presidency)[edit]
Legislative branch[edit]

• Thomas J. Lane (D-Massachusetts) convicted for evading taxes on his congressional income. Served 4 months in prison, but was re-elected three more times.[103] before his 1962 defeat due to re-districting. (1956) [104]
• Ernest K. Bramblett (R-California) Received a suspended sentence and a $5,000 fine in 1955 for making false statements in connection with payroll padding and kickbacks from congressional employees.[105]

1945–1953 (Truman (D) presidency)[edit]
Legislative branch[edit]

• Walter E. Brehm (R-Ohio) convicted of accepting contributions illegally from one of his employees. Received a 15 month suspended sentence and a $5,000 fine.[106]
• J. Parnell Thomas (R-New Jersey): a member of the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC), was convicted of salary fraud and given an 18-month sentence and a fine, resigning from Congress in 1950. He was imprisoned in Danbury Prison with two of the Hollywood Ten he had helped put there. After serving his 18 months he was pardoned by Truman (D) in 1952,[107]
• Andrew J. May (D-Kentucky) Convicted of accepting bribes in 1947 from a war munitions manufacturer. Was sentenced to 9 months in prison, after which he was pardoned by Truman (D) in 1952.[108]
• James M. Curley (D-Massachusetts) fined $1,000 and served six-months for fraud before Harry S. Truman

there are more R'S THAN D'S

Proving what?
You have a hard time making logical arguments and supporting them. Probably because you're stupid.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Gruber and his ilk and those who hired him are not angels.

This Administration is certainly not full of angels.

I think Republicans have a better balance.

I disagree, this administration is no more or less balanced then the last one, unless you're racist.

Wrong.
The last administration never promised "if you like your doctor you can ke your doctor."
They never waged war on businesses
They never engaged in the level of crony capitalism we see today
They never openly violated the law like this one.

The old "they all do it" just wont fly here.

The last administration didn't care if you had a doctor or not
They waged war on people--tens of thousands of dead Iraqis can't be wrong
They gave no-bid contracts out in Iraq like popcorn (google Custer Battles)
When Bush lied, people died (or they were outed by the VP's chief of staff)...you're right about that.

Bush's lies and lawlessness is the gold standard by which all other admins will be judged.

And NOW the Senate investigative committee is releasing the real Bush and Cheney war crimes. Love it. Hang 'em. Hang 'em high. Go get THE DICK out of Wyoming where he is hiding and put him on trial. Go get THE BUSH out from behind his little painting easel and drag his sorry ass to The Hague.

Remind us what those "crimes" were.
There werent any, Its not like Democrats havent been trotting this old shit out for the last 6 years or more. And it also isnt like they werent fully informed of it the whole time.

I don't have to remind you of anything. The report is out: Senate Torture Report

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

example?

I was a career civil servant. The overpoliticization of the Executive Branch (and I don't have time to go back over the Pendleton Act and why we have a professional civil service) in order to advance a pure political agenda as opposed to doing what is right for America regardless was disgusting.

The creation of new victim classes, the incompetent political appointees, the bad decisions, period.

What?

You were a government employee? You sponged off of taxpayers your whole career? You are welcome.

I worked for the American people. I swore an oath to uphold the Constitution.

I did not work for someone else's profit motive.

I am proud of my career.

I have problems understanding why you liberals have such contempt for us civil servants.

You dumb ass. Liberals dig civil servants. Nutters think you are a worthless drain on taxpayers. You moron.

Who's dumping on me here?

Not the conservatives.

Duh.

I'd really like to attend your pity party, but there's other posts far more interesting......

 

[The Rabbi]

Oh, but he is. He is an incompetent Chief Executive.

I had to work in his administration. It was terrible.

example?

I was a career civil servant. The overpoliticization of the Executive Branch (and I don't have time to go back over the Pendleton Act and why we have a professional civil service) in order to advance a pure political agenda as opposed to doing what is right for America regardless was disgusting.

The creation of new victim classes, the incompetent political appointees, the bad decisions, period.

What?

You were a government employee? You sponged off of taxpayers your whole career? You are welcome.

Yeah because working at a job is the same as sponging.
Of course since you've never worked at a job it might seem that way to you.

Weeeeeeeeee! The horns of jealousy popping out of your idiot noggin must be massive.

Thanks for confirming you've never worked a job in your life.
You are a class A idiot.

 

[LoneLaugher]

example?

I was a career civil servant. The overpoliticization of the Executive Branch (and I don't have time to go back over the Pendleton Act and why we have a professional civil service) in order to advance a pure political agenda as opposed to doing what is right for America regardless was disgusting.

The creation of new victim classes, the incompetent political appointees, the bad decisions, period.

What?

You were a government employee? You sponged off of taxpayers your whole career? You are welcome.

I worked for the American people. I swore an oath to uphold the Constitution.

I did not work for someone else's profit motive.

I am proud of my career.

I have problems understanding why you liberals have such contempt for us civil servants.

Where did you get that notion? You have liberals mixed up with the rabid righties. They are the ones who want to see government employees put into the streets.

Oh, no, no, no.

For one thing, I get it here from liberals like yourself and on other message boards from liberals. NEVER ONCE from a conservative poster.

Secondly, the best President to work for in the sense of respect for rank and file Feds was Old Man Bush.

The worst was Obama. And it shows. The Washington Post today recounts how Federal morale is sinking under him.

Federal workers even less happy than last year survey shows - The Washington Post

You get it because you are a nutter. You bitch about policies that provide civil service jobs. Cons won't tell you what they think of you to your face....because you are a con. They will kiss your ass and then vote to kill your job. Idiot.

 

[AmericanGirl05]

Oh, but he is. He is an incompetent Chief Executive.

I had to work in his administration. It was terrible.

example?

I was a career civil servant. The overpoliticization of the Executive Branch (and I don't have time to go back over the Pendleton Act and why we have a professional civil service) in order to advance a pure political agenda as opposed to doing what is right for America regardless was disgusting.

The creation of new victim classes, the incompetent political appointees, the bad decisions, period.

What years were you employed by US taxpayers?

I said 7 Administrations, including Obama. Figure it out.

Jesus, you're older than Methuselah. What's your bitch? You probably have health care for the rest of your life, too.

Yes, and I worked for everything I have.

And nice ageist crack there.

 

[ogibillm]

he's none of the things you're inferring.

Oh, but he is. He is an incompetent Chief Executive.

I had to work in his administration. It was terrible.

example?

I was a career civil servant. The overpoliticization of the Executive Branch (and I don't have time to go back over the Pendleton Act and why we have a professional civil service) in order to advance a pure political agenda as opposed to doing what is right for America regardless was disgusting.

The creation of new victim classes, the incompetent political appointees, the bad decisions, period.

those are generalizations, not examples.

OK. I'll give you one.

Obama abolished the Federal student employment programs, including the Student Career Experience Program. He replaced them -- they were popular and allowed for flexible recruitment as well as the ability to hire the student into a career job non-competitively upon graduation -- with a system that only allows for use of USAJobs.gov (if you've ever tried to get a government job that way, you'd know why that's totally dysfunctional.

Agencies objected but the WH insisted.

so he went to a fairer, more competitive system.
the horror.

 

[LoneLaugher]

example?

I was a career civil servant. The overpoliticization of the Executive Branch (and I don't have time to go back over the Pendleton Act and why we have a professional civil service) in order to advance a pure political agenda as opposed to doing what is right for America regardless was disgusting.

The creation of new victim classes, the incompetent political appointees, the bad decisions, period.

What?

You were a government employee? You sponged off of taxpayers your whole career? You are welcome.

Yeah because working at a job is the same as sponging.
Of course since you've never worked at a job it might seem that way to you.

Weeeeeeeeee! The horns of jealousy popping out of your idiot noggin must be massive.

Thanks for confirming you've never worked a job in your life.
You are a class A idiot.

Did I confirm that? I don't think so. You are dripping with jealousy. Dripping.

 

[AmericanGirl05]

The Congress is not the Supreme Court.

Their concern is the other party's reliance on consultants who obviously don't respect the American people.

why is that a concern? does a consultant's respect or disrespect for the american people change the law that's already been passed?

It doesn't change the law.

However, given that he claims that the bill was developed as a bait and switch, it is information useful to those who would pass legislation to amend or repeal the law.

i see. so this is purely political in nature. there is no underlying crime to investigate, no great big conspiracy.

this is purely for republicans to be able to point fingers at democrats and call them names.

that about sum it up?

It's not a crime. It is purely political, but it concerns the integrity of how laws are developed, passed and implemented.

It is an appropriate use of the Congressional investigatory power which is for legislative purposes.

BTW, Congress's investigatory power is not to prosecute crimes. (I know the Constitution is stumbling point for you lefties).

so you're telling me that Congress needs to run an investigation to understand how laws get made?
at least you're willing to admit that this is all political theater.

No, they need to know what errors and mistakes were made in developing certain laws so they can fix them.

(Is this such a hard concept?)

 

[LoneLaugher]

example?

I was a career civil servant. The overpoliticization of the Executive Branch (and I don't have time to go back over the Pendleton Act and why we have a professional civil service) in order to advance a pure political agenda as opposed to doing what is right for America regardless was disgusting.

The creation of new victim classes, the incompetent political appointees, the bad decisions, period.

What years were you employed by US taxpayers?

I said 7 Administrations, including Obama. Figure it out.

Jesus, you're older than Methuselah. What's your bitch? You probably have health care for the rest of your life, too.

Yes, and I worked for everything I have.

And nice ageist crack there.

Of course you did. But the idiots you support don't think you are worth a shit. Wake up.

 

[AmericanGirl05]

he's none of the things you're inferring.

Oh, but he is. He is an incompetent Chief Executive.

I had to work in his administration. It was terrible.

example?

I was a career civil servant. The overpoliticization of the Executive Branch (and I don't have time to go back over the Pendleton Act and why we have a professional civil service) in order to advance a pure political agenda as opposed to doing what is right for America regardless was disgusting.

The creation of new victim classes, the incompetent political appointees, the bad decisions, period.

those are generalizations, not examples.

Gruber and his ilk and those who hired him are not angels.

This Administration is certainly not full of angels.

I think Republicans have a better balance.

I disagree, this administration is no more or less balanced then the last one, unless you're racist.

Oh, missed the racist crack.

No, Obama is the worst. I don't care what color he is or his religion or his national origin or even whether he's closet gay.

He is awful at his job and he is ruining the country.

Even Jimmy Carter wasn't this bad. James Buchanan, however, might be closer.

he's none of the things you're inferring.

Oh, but he is. He is an incompetent Chief Executive.

I had to work in his administration. It was terrible.

You're failing left and right to make your case. And no one MADE you work under his administration, either. [[[[twit]]]

I was a career civil servant. Until I could retire without affecting my standard of living, I had no choice.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Trey Growdy 2016.

He smashed this liberal puppeteer that directs US policy from the shadows. He's an unelected tyrant, like all of the elite Progressives that make policy behind the masks of "higher education" "smarter-than-thou" "doctorate degree" etc. They are the "experts" and we peons are "too stupid" to comprehend their magnificence, even though we peons know that their schemes lead to mass graves every time.

 

[ogibillm]

why is that a concern? does a consultant's respect or disrespect for the american people change the law that's already been passed?

It doesn't change the law.

However, given that he claims that the bill was developed as a bait and switch, it is information useful to those who would pass legislation to amend or repeal the law.

i see. so this is purely political in nature. there is no underlying crime to investigate, no great big conspiracy.

this is purely for republicans to be able to point fingers at democrats and call them names.

that about sum it up?

It's not a crime. It is purely political, but it concerns the integrity of how laws are developed, passed and implemented.

It is an appropriate use of the Congressional investigatory power which is for legislative purposes.

BTW, Congress's investigatory power is not to prosecute crimes. (I know the Constitution is stumbling point for you lefties).

so you're telling me that Congress needs to run an investigation to understand how laws get made?
at least you're willing to admit that this is all political theater.

No, they need to know what errors and mistakes were made in developing certain laws so they can fix them.

(Is this such a hard concept?)

you and i both know that that isn't why they're having gruber testify. what questions about the process did goudy ask? any?

the whole point is to point fingers at democrats call names and feign outrage, but there is no constructive purpose to the hearings.

 

[Vigilante]

I did like the part today when Gruber said that EVERYTHING he said on those video tapes was TRUE....Man that has to STICK PINS in some of the subversive Democrats on the committee!....OUCH!

 

[AmericanGirl05]

I was a career civil servant. The overpoliticization of the Executive Branch (and I don't have time to go back over the Pendleton Act and why we have a professional civil service) in order to advance a pure political agenda as opposed to doing what is right for America regardless was disgusting.

The creation of new victim classes, the incompetent political appointees, the bad decisions, period.

What?

You were a government employee? You sponged off of taxpayers your whole career? You are welcome.

I worked for the American people. I swore an oath to uphold the Constitution.

I did not work for someone else's profit motive.

I am proud of my career.

I have problems understanding why you liberals have such contempt for us civil servants.

Where did you get that notion? You have liberals mixed up with the rabid righties. They are the ones who want to see government employees put into the streets.

Oh, no, no, no.

For one thing, I get it here from liberals like yourself and on other message boards from liberals. NEVER ONCE from a conservative poster.

Secondly, the best President to work for in the sense of respect for rank and file Feds was Old Man Bush.

The worst was Obama. And it shows. The Washington Post today recounts how Federal morale is sinking under him.

Federal workers even less happy than last year survey shows - The Washington Post

You get it because you are a nutter. You bitch about policies that provide civil service jobs. Cons won't tell you what they think of you to your face....because you are a con. They will kiss your ass and then vote to kill your job. Idiot.

What policies have I bitched about that protect civil service jobs?

Are you one of these morons who supports the worthless program Head Start because it gives jobs to preschool teachers and administrators?

 

[AmericanGirl05]

Oh, but he is. He is an incompetent Chief Executive.

I had to work in his administration. It was terrible.

example?

I was a career civil servant. The overpoliticization of the Executive Branch (and I don't have time to go back over the Pendleton Act and why we have a professional civil service) in order to advance a pure political agenda as opposed to doing what is right for America regardless was disgusting.

The creation of new victim classes, the incompetent political appointees, the bad decisions, period.

those are generalizations, not examples.

OK. I'll give you one.

Obama abolished the Federal student employment programs, including the Student Career Experience Program. He replaced them -- they were popular and allowed for flexible recruitment as well as the ability to hire the student into a career job non-competitively upon graduation -- with a system that only allows for use of USAJobs.gov (if you've ever tried to get a government job that way, you'd know why that's totally dysfunctional.

Agencies objected but the WH insisted.

so he went to a fairer, more competitive system.
the horror.

If you knew anything about USAJobs and the way it has corrupted the merit system, you wouldn't make that comment,

It has not made the system fairer, easier, or more meritorious.

It has made it less of all of those.

 

[ogibillm]

example?

I was a career civil servant. The overpoliticization of the Executive Branch (and I don't have time to go back over the Pendleton Act and why we have a professional civil service) in order to advance a pure political agenda as opposed to doing what is right for America regardless was disgusting.

The creation of new victim classes, the incompetent political appointees, the bad decisions, period.

those are generalizations, not examples.

OK. I'll give you one.

Obama abolished the Federal student employment programs, including the Student Career Experience Program. He replaced them -- they were popular and allowed for flexible recruitment as well as the ability to hire the student into a career job non-competitively upon graduation -- with a system that only allows for use of USAJobs.gov (if you've ever tried to get a government job that way, you'd know why that's totally dysfunctional.

Agencies objected but the WH insisted.

so he went to a fairer, more competitive system.
the horror.

If you knew anything about USAJobs and the way it has corrupted the merit system, you wouldn't make that comment,

It has not made the system fairer, easier, or more meritorious.

It has made it less of all of those.

how so?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Oh, but he is. He is an incompetent Chief Executive.

I had to work in his administration. It was terrible.

example?

I was a career civil servant. The overpoliticization of the Executive Branch (and I don't have time to go back over the Pendleton Act and why we have a professional civil service) in order to advance a pure political agenda as opposed to doing what is right for America regardless was disgusting.

The creation of new victim classes, the incompetent political appointees, the bad decisions, period.

those are generalizations, not examples.

I disagree, this administration is no more or less balanced then the last one, unless you're racist.

Oh, missed the racist crack.

No, Obama is the worst. I don't care what color he is or his religion or his national origin or even whether he's closet gay.

He is awful at his job and he is ruining the country.

Even Jimmy Carter wasn't this bad. James Buchanan, however, might be closer.

he's none of the things you're inferring.

Oh, but he is. He is an incompetent Chief Executive.

I had to work in his administration. It was terrible.

You're failing left and right to make your case. And no one MADE you work under his administration, either. [[[[twit]]]

I was a career civil servant. Until I could retire without affecting my standard of living, I had no choice.

Both my parents had civil service jobs that gave me a leg up in life. My father went from active duty to civil service.......his entire adult life serving the country. And the country respected him for it. Today's civil servants are NOT RESPECTED BY CONSERVATIVES.

Figure it out.