Guess what Republicans? We really need the Dept of Education, EPA and Energy

[asaratis]

Or else we could just scrap NCLB

Scrapping government education altogether would solve 100% of the problems with our government schools.

I know am wasting my time with this message, but I would suggest you actually do just a bit of real research into what these departments actually do, particular in reference to the Dept of Education.

The DOE does not mandate how schools are run, nor what is taught in the schools, nor how it is taught. Except where mandated by federal law, state and local government can turn down federal funding and federal programs. The DOE recommends programs and provides funding for those programs often through competitive grants.

There seems to be three major targets of right, No Child Left Behind, the School Lunch Program, and Head Start. With or without the DOE, these programs would still exist. No Child Left Behind is mandated by Congress. Without the DOE, the personnel responsibility for this program would have to be duplicated in every state increasing the cost or moved to another dept. Head Start is administrated and funded through Health and Human Services, not the DOE. The School Lunch Program is administered through the Dept of Agriculture not the DOE.

Thank you for highlighting another Dept of Education FAILURE! No Child left Behind is what dumbed down the system and let illiterate graduates receive diplomas that they cannot read. It likely played a significant role in the recent "teachers cheating" scandal in Atlanta Public Schools (which I doubt seriously is a singularity). Failure of the students to pass standardized tests would jeopardize the federal funds for the next year. So the teachers CHEAT....something we are supposed to be teaching our children NOT to do.


The NEA and its subsidiary teachers unions have guaranteed jobs to inept and inadequate "teachers" that are doing nothing more than procreating their own inadequacies by attaching them to their graduating classes...at whatever level they teach.

No Child Left Behind is an utter failure.

The Dept of Education recommends programs and cuts off federal funding to school systems that do not adopt them. Where did you fuckin' go to school?

 

[Listening]

Or else we could just scrap NCLB

Scrapping government education altogether would solve 100% of the problems with our government schools.

I know am wasting my time with this message, but I would suggest you actually do just a bit of real research into what these departments actually do, particular in reference to the Dept of Education.

The DOE does not mandate how schools are run, nor what is taught in the schools, nor how it is taught. Except where mandated by federal law, state and local government can turn down federal funding and federal programs. The DOE recommends programs and provides funding for those programs often through competitive grants.

There seems to be three major targets of right, No Child Left Behind, the School Lunch Program, and Head Start. With or without the DOE, these programs would still exist. No Child Left Behind is mandated by Congress. Without the DOE, the personnel responsibility for this program would have to be duplicated in every state increasing the cost or moved to another dept. Head Start is administrated and funded through Health and Human Services, not the DOE. The School Lunch Program is administered through the Dept of Agriculture not the DOE.

Great post.

From this, I see they do nothing.

Get rid of them.

 

[Flopper]

Yes we did see the reaction of democrats to NCLB, they hated accountability so they cheated for the students.

Thats a proud moment for you right winger................

So tell us...why is it that the Republicans are the ones freaking out of the President's proposal to allow states to opt out of NCLB?

From your link....

In order for the states to receive a waiver, the administration is requiring they adopt education policy changes the administration deems necessary.

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Real autonomy. This President is fast going from being close to the bottom to being at the bottom.

And more:

The requirements ruffled the feathers of Republican members of Congress, who were quick to criticize the announcement because they feel the administration is exercising too much power on education.

“I am extremely disappointed after spending so many hours working toward a solution that we have reached a point where the president appears to preempt our efforts with waivers. The best way to address these important issues is through legislation,” said Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee ranking member Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.).

“President Obama’s efforts represent a fundamental and dramatic shift in authority from Congress to the administration,” he said. “This action today clearly politicizes education policy, which traditionally has been a bipartisan issue that attracts support from both parties. It is the responsibility of Congress to develop policy, and the president’s proposal is an attempt to effect change outside the legislative process.”

*****************************

Our constitutional scholar president is a scholar at getting around the document.

Nonsense. What policies? The wavier simply lets states determine what is to be done with troubled schools. Most states are expected to opt out. The issue with Republicans is that Obama is using an E.O. to accomplish this by bypassing Congress. NCLB has been a failure from the time it was signed into law by Bush. Most of the states want to make their own decisions how to fix our troubled schools, something the Right should be supporting. For 10 years Congress has done nothing to remedy the situation and if the president didn't issue an E.O, we could be waiting another 10 years for Congress to act.

 

[Listening]

Yes we did see the reaction of democrats to NCLB, they hated accountability so they cheated for the students.

Thats a proud moment for you right winger................

So tell us...why is it that the Republicans are the ones freaking out of the President's proposal to allow states to opt out of NCLB?

Because hello! It's the PRESIDENT, derp!

I think my post spelled it out....

Are you one of those so-called "strategists" (a zombie paid to stump for morons like Harry Ried) ?

 

[Listening]

So tell us...why is it that the Republicans are the ones freaking out of the President's proposal to allow states to opt out of NCLB?

From your link....

In order for the states to receive a waiver, the administration is requiring they adopt education policy changes the administration deems necessary.

************************

Real autonomy. This President is fast going from being close to the bottom to being at the bottom.

And more:

The requirements ruffled the feathers of Republican members of Congress, who were quick to criticize the announcement because they feel the administration is exercising too much power on education.

“I am extremely disappointed after spending so many hours working toward a solution that we have reached a point where the president appears to preempt our efforts with waivers. The best way to address these important issues is through legislation,” said Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee ranking member Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.).

“President Obama’s efforts represent a fundamental and dramatic shift in authority from Congress to the administration,” he said. “This action today clearly politicizes education policy, which traditionally has been a bipartisan issue that attracts support from both parties. It is the responsibility of Congress to develop policy, and the president’s proposal is an attempt to effect change outside the legislative process.”

*****************************

Our constitutional scholar president is a scholar at getting around the document.

Nonsense. What policies? The wavier simply lets states determine what is to be done with troubled schools. Most states are expected to opt out. The issue with Republicans is that Obama is using an E.O. to accomplish this by bypassing Congress. NCLB has been a failure from the time it was signed into law by Bush. Most of the states want to make their own decisions how to fix our troubled schools, something the Right should be supporting. For 10 years Congress has done nothing to remedy the situation and if the president didn't issue an E.O, we could be waiting another 10 years for Congress to act.

That is straight from the link. Are you saying that what they were reporting is incorrect ?

 

[Listening]

Do you know how many countries that are beating our brains out in education have such a fractured structure of administering their school systems? NONE

They all rely on a unified education system administered by a strong centralized government

Republican plans for education are a FAIL

Do you know how many of these countries you call out are smaller than many of our states ?

So please tell me what is it about the numbers you want to argue. If I listened to you, Europe should have one large dept of education.

Go sell that to them. Please.....just go.

 

[Listening]

Are you suggesting that before the creation of the Dept. of Education that Americans were stupid?

How did we ever put a man on the moon!?!?

No after....

 

[Samson]

What could be worse than closing down key agencies at critical points in our history?

At a time when our children are falling woefully behind other countries, Republicans want to kill the Dept of Education

At a time when Greenhouse gasses are affecting our climate.......Republicans want to close the Environmental Protection Agency

At a time when we are at the whim of an unstable middle east for oil imports......Republicans want to close the Dept of Energy

After DECADES of enforcing retarded federal mandates through the DOE, EPA, and Dept of Energy:

1. Educational Systems are in Shambles and "our children are falling woefully behind other countries"
2. Greenhouse Gasses (imaginary or not) are "affecting [sic] our climate."
3. The US continues to be "at the whim of an unstable middle east for oil imports."




And you wonder why anyone would question the effectiveness of government regulatory agencies?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Scrapping government education altogether would solve 100% of the problems with our government schools.

I know am wasting my time with this message, but I would suggest you actually do just a bit of real research into what these departments actually do, particular in reference to the Dept of Education.

The DOE does not mandate how schools are run, nor what is taught in the schools, nor how it is taught. Except where mandated by federal law, state and local government can turn down federal funding and federal programs. The DOE recommends programs and provides funding for those programs often through competitive grants.

There seems to be three major targets of right, No Child Left Behind, the School Lunch Program, and Head Start. With or without the DOE, these programs would still exist. No Child Left Behind is mandated by Congress. Without the DOE, the personnel responsibility for this program would have to be duplicated in every state increasing the cost or moved to another dept. Head Start is administrated and funded through Health and Human Services, not the DOE. The School Lunch Program is administered through the Dept of Agriculture not the DOE.

Don't forget the Rightwings other pet project. Close public schools and issue vouchers to private schools. Not to mention the ever popular home schooling

The agenda is clear. Cut education down to its smallest common denominator and expect it to succeed in an international marketplace

When will you admit that Progressive control of the educational system has been a total failure?

 

[Samson]

I know am wasting my time with this message, but I would suggest you actually do just a bit of real research into what these departments actually do, particular in reference to the Dept of Education.

The DOE does not mandate how schools are run, nor what is taught in the schools, nor how it is taught. Except where mandated by federal law, state and local government can turn down federal funding and federal programs. The DOE recommends programs and provides funding for those programs often through competitive grants.

There seems to be three major targets of right, No Child Left Behind, the School Lunch Program, and Head Start. With or without the DOE, these programs would still exist. No Child Left Behind is mandated by Congress. Without the DOE, the personnel responsibility for this program would have to be duplicated in every state increasing the cost or moved to another dept. Head Start is administrated and funded through Health and Human Services, not the DOE. The School Lunch Program is administered through the Dept of Agriculture not the DOE.

Don't forget the Rightwings other pet project. Close public schools and issue vouchers to private schools. Not to mention the ever popular home schooling

The agenda is clear. Cut education down to its smallest common denominator and expect it to succeed in an international marketplace

When will you admit that Progressive control of the educational system has been a total failure?

The problem is, the budget for DOE has been too small.

We should double it.



Maybe triple it.

 

[martybegan]

What do we need the pesky EPA for. We needs lots of chemicals and raw sewage in our water. And lots of chemicals in the air we breathe as well.
Rivers catching on fire were entertaining.
And who needs to swim or eat fish anyway.

How can people get so stupid. Doing away with the EPA? A prime example though of a failed education system.

I have no issue with the early work the EPA did, and making standards for things like air and water pollution, to me, are part of the federal mandate to regulate commerce between states. What I have an issue with is them branching into other areas, and expanding thier scope, without a true legislative mandate. I also have issue with duplication at the state level.

Finally most EPA regulations read more like legal positions than engineering standards. The way regulations work today, you spend more money on lawyers making sure your paperwork is up to date than on engineering making sure your processes are working right. People are more afraid of the amount of forms they have to fill out than the actual results of any excessive release.

As an Environmental Engineer I can honestly say this is the most inept, uninformed post concerning the USEPA I have ever seen.

Well, I'm a chemE working in Environmental, and I beg to differ.

 

[Listening]

I have no issue with the early work the EPA did, and making standards for things like air and water pollution, to me, are part of the federal mandate to regulate commerce between states. What I have an issue with is them branching into other areas, and expanding thier scope, without a true legislative mandate. I also have issue with duplication at the state level.

Finally most EPA regulations read more like legal positions than engineering standards. The way regulations work today, you spend more money on lawyers making sure your paperwork is up to date than on engineering making sure your processes are working right. People are more afraid of the amount of forms they have to fill out than the actual results of any excessive release.

As an Environmental Engineer I can honestly say this is the most inept, uninformed post concerning the USEPA I have ever seen.

Well, I'm a chemE working in Environmental, and I beg to differ.

And I am a ChemEng who works in the oil world and I would agree with you....Marty.

 

[Samson]

As an Environmental Engineer I can honestly say this is the most inept, uninformed post concerning the USEPA I have ever seen.

Well, I'm a chemE working in Environmental, and I beg to differ.

And I am a ChemEng who works in the oil world and I would agree with you....Marty.

Ditto: Chem E, worked in upstream, downstream, and everything in between.

 

[Flopper]

From your link....

In order for the states to receive a waiver, the administration is requiring they adopt education policy changes the administration deems necessary.

************************

Real autonomy. This President is fast going from being close to the bottom to being at the bottom.

And more:

The requirements ruffled the feathers of Republican members of Congress, who were quick to criticize the announcement because they feel the administration is exercising too much power on education.

“I am extremely disappointed after spending so many hours working toward a solution that we have reached a point where the president appears to preempt our efforts with waivers. The best way to address these important issues is through legislation,” said Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee ranking member Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.).

“President Obama’s efforts represent a fundamental and dramatic shift in authority from Congress to the administration,” he said. “This action today clearly politicizes education policy, which traditionally has been a bipartisan issue that attracts support from both parties. It is the responsibility of Congress to develop policy, and the president’s proposal is an attempt to effect change outside the legislative process.”

*****************************

Our constitutional scholar president is a scholar at getting around the document.

Nonsense. What policies? The wavier simply lets states determine what is to be done with troubled schools. Most states are expected to opt out. The issue with Republicans is that Obama is using an E.O. to accomplish this by bypassing Congress. NCLB has been a failure from the time it was signed into law by Bush. Most of the states want to make their own decisions how to fix our troubled schools, something the Right should be supporting. For 10 years Congress has done nothing to remedy the situation and if the president didn't issue an E.O, we could be waiting another 10 years for Congress to act.

That is straight from the link. Are you saying that what they were reporting is incorrect ?

These are requirements that allow the states to implement alternative programs yet still meet the goals of NCLB. In order for the president to grant a waver to the NCLB requirements, the states must agree to develop standards and accountability equivalent to NCLB, which is exactly what this waiver does. In other words, the president can not just nullify the law.

 

[Foxfyre]

And having three close family members who are engineers or otherwise working in industries closely regulated and involving the EPA, I can testify that ALL are painfully aware of the UNNECESSARY and costly regulation imposed by the EPA that is costing us all hundreds, if not thousands of dollars every year.

Nobody is saying the government has no role in environmental protections and regulations, at least in those areas in which the various states share the air, water, oceans, etc. Nobody is saying the federal government cannot promote the general welfare by providing services for education, energy, and of course interstate and international commerce MUST be regulated by the federal government in order to promote free markets and secure all of our rights.

All we are saying is that the agencies that were chartered to deal with these things have become bloated and incompetent and inefficient and unnecessarily intrusive and authoritarian and far too expensive to the point they cause more harm than good. It is the nature of an unchecked government to grow itself, feed itself more and more, and seize more and more power until it exists for its own self instead of those whom it was intended to serve.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We haven't built a nuclear reactor or oil refinery in over 30 years all thanks to the EPA

Hows that reactor Obama "fast tracked"?

 

[Vel]

What could be worse than closing down key agencies at critical points in our history?

At a time when our children are falling woefully behind other countries, Republicans want to kill the Dept of Education

At a time when Greenhouse gasses are affecting our climate.......Republicans want to close the Environmental Protection Agency

At a time when we are at the whim of an unstable middle east for oil imports......Republicans want to close the Dept of Energy

Hmmm.. If I recall correctly, wasn't the Dept. Of Energy established in the late 70's in order to deal with the fact that the United States was at the whim of an unstable middle east for oil imports? What exactly has the DoE accomplished in the last 35 years on that score? Enlighten us if you will.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What could be worse than closing down key agencies at critical points in our history?

At a time when our children are falling woefully behind other countries, Republicans want to kill the Dept of Education

At a time when Greenhouse gasses are affecting our climate.......Republicans want to close the Environmental Protection Agency

At a time when we are at the whim of an unstable middle east for oil imports......Republicans want to close the Dept of Energy

Correct.

Conservative advocacy of doing away with these departments is naïve idiocy and a product of a blind adherence to radical, ignorant dogma.

Any GOP candidate who supports this nonsense is not qualified to be president.

 

[Listening]

Correct.

Conservative advocacy of doing away with these departments is naïve idiocy and a product of a blind adherence to radical, ignorant dogma.

Any GOP candidate who supports this nonsense is not qualified to be president.

Hahahahaha

The advocay is based on years of experience. Conservatism tends to play on history.

Any GOP candidate who supports this concpet is certainly going to getting my vote.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

What could be worse than closing down key agencies at critical points in our history?

At a time when our children are falling woefully behind other countries, Republicans want to kill the Dept of Education

At a time when Greenhouse gasses are affecting our climate.......Republicans want to close the Environmental Protection Agency

At a time when we are at the whim of an unstable middle east for oil imports......Republicans want to close the Dept of Energy

Correct.

Conservative advocacy of doing away with these departments is naïve idiocy and a product of a blind adherence to radical, ignorant dogma.

Any GOP candidate who supports this nonsense is not qualified to be president.

And any one who doesn't support this, regardless of their political party does not deserve to hold any political position where legislation and laws are made. I will go one step futher they do not deserve to set on a judicial seat.