Gun Confiscations by Governments in History

[jc456]

Cambodia prior to 1974

Germany 1938

Russia 1917

China 1947

Anyone know what occurred in those nations after those years?

Also.....the Germans registered the remaining guns not ordered turned in, in the 1920s.....those registration lists were then used by the socialists to disarm Jews and political opposition...who were the ones who ended up in the gas chambers...


Don't forget.....the rest of Europe also took guns away from their people after World War 1.....that left them helpless when the Germans took over....and they were forced to hand over innocent men, women and children to the Germans to be murdered in gas chambers....

The only country that didn't experience this...Switzerland....they had 435,000 citizens armed with military rifles ready to fight any invasion...and because of that, the Germans didn't invade....

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS



That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"



The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.



The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.



Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.



While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.

here Happy, read about Switzerland. then ask yourself if you would really want to live there.

Switzerland has stricter gun laws than we do, are you saying you'd like to incorporate their laws? Or, surprisingly enough you don't know what you're talking about.

fk no, I admire their courage to stand up to hitler. You wish to know what the 2nd amendment is about, there is a perfect example outside ours with Great Britain. but you don't like our guns, so go live there.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

What about all of Europe today?

10 countries with the most guns per capita:

• USA - 112.6 guns per 100 residents.
• Serbia - 75.6.
• Yemen - 54.8.
• Switzerland - 45.7.
• Cyprus - 36.4.
• Saudi Arabia - 35.
• Iraq - 34.2.
• Uruguay - 31.8.

Switzerland is nice, though they still have more gun laws than we do. Ever vacation in Yemen?

As I have said to other posters you have the right not to own one, but please do not infringe on my right because of your fear...

Here's a thought, respond to my actual post.

I did about more gun laws in Switzerland.

Gun laws are as useful as drunk driving laws... Sure they are great to punish after the fact but criminals never obey them.

Also the shooting in Florida could have been prevented with the laws already on the books but the failure from the FBI down to the local authorities caused those deaths.

Now I know you believe more gun laws will work and make you safer in life but the reality they don't.

As I stated just in this response there are laws already, so the FBI and local authorities can not protect you.

So as you point out how America is a shit hole country because of it gun laws the fact remains it is my constitutional right to bear arms and in the end nothing you do will change that.

America was never created to be like Europe and it should never start acting like Europe either...

Still haven't responded to the point of my post, but I don't blame you.

America was never created to be like Europe? What does that even mean?

Gun laws do work, the background check system needs to be improved so that mental health officials can directly have access to them. Teenagers should not be allowed to purchase AR15s, those two things right there could have had an impact in Florida.

But, the point of my post was about countries with gun control laws do not equate to Nazi Germany.

Wrong....the average age of mass shooters is 34.....and the shooter could have waited till he was 21, passed a background check, then shot up the school...or he could have murdered someone and taken their guns....

Gun control does not work...it doesn't stop criminals or mass shooters

Neither thing you offered would have stopped the mass shooter in Florida.

But, the point of my post was about countries with gun control laws do not equate to Nazi Germany

The Germans in the 1920s didn't think that registering their guns with the government was a big deal either, it wan't until 20 years later when the socialists used the registration lists to confiscate guns that it became a matter of life and death...and they registered their guns, and turned in their World War 1 issue rifles following the same exact arguments you anti gunners are making today...the exact same arguments....

The mass shooter could have gotten the weapon through straw purchase, so those stating they have the answer with more laws, well they are wrong as usual...

 

[jc456]

As I have said to other posters you have the right not to own one, but please do not infringe on my right because of your fear...

Here's a thought, respond to my actual post.

I did about more gun laws in Switzerland.

Gun laws are as useful as drunk driving laws... Sure they are great to punish after the fact but criminals never obey them.

Also the shooting in Florida could have been prevented with the laws already on the books but the failure from the FBI down to the local authorities caused those deaths.

Now I know you believe more gun laws will work and make you safer in life but the reality they don't.

As I stated just in this response there are laws already, so the FBI and local authorities can not protect you.

So as you point out how America is a shit hole country because of it gun laws the fact remains it is my constitutional right to bear arms and in the end nothing you do will change that.

America was never created to be like Europe and it should never start acting like Europe either...

Still haven't responded to the point of my post, but I don't blame you.

America was never created to be like Europe? What does that even mean?

Gun laws do work, the background check system needs to be improved so that mental health officials can directly have access to them. Teenagers should not be allowed to purchase AR15s, those two things right there could have had an impact in Florida.

But, the point of my post was about countries with gun control laws do not equate to Nazi Germany.

Wrong....the average age of mass shooters is 34.....and the shooter could have waited till he was 21, passed a background check, then shot up the school...or he could have murdered someone and taken their guns....

Gun control does not work...it doesn't stop criminals or mass shooters

Neither thing you offered would have stopped the mass shooter in Florida.

But, the point of my post was about countries with gun control laws do not equate to Nazi Germany

The Germans in the 1920s didn't think that registering their guns with the government was a big deal either, it wan't until 20 years later when the socialists used the registration lists to confiscate guns that it became a matter of life and death...and they registered their guns, and turned in their World War 1 issue rifles following the same exact arguments you anti gunners are making today...the exact same arguments....

The mass shooter could have gotten the weapon through straw purchase, so those sating they have the answer with more laws, well they are wrong as usual...

well I've asked before, what law would have prevented that kid from getting a gun. Name any law, a made up law, just tell me the law.

 

[HappyJoy]

What about all of Europe today?

10 countries with the most guns per capita:

• USA - 112.6 guns per 100 residents.
• Serbia - 75.6.
• Yemen - 54.8.
• Switzerland - 45.7.
• Cyprus - 36.4.
• Saudi Arabia - 35.
• Iraq - 34.2.
• Uruguay - 31.8.

Switzerland is nice, though they still have more gun laws than we do. Ever vacation in Yemen?

As I have said to other posters you have the right not to own one, but please do not infringe on my right because of your fear...

Here's a thought, respond to my actual post.

I did about more gun laws in Switzerland.

Gun laws are as useful as drunk driving laws... Sure they are great to punish after the fact but criminals never obey them.

Also the shooting in Florida could have been prevented with the laws already on the books but the failure from the FBI down to the local authorities caused those deaths.

Now I know you believe more gun laws will work and make you safer in life but the reality they don't.

As I stated just in this response there are laws already, so the FBI and local authorities can not protect you.

So as you point out how America is a shit hole country because of it gun laws the fact remains it is my constitutional right to bear arms and in the end nothing you do will change that.

America was never created to be like Europe and it should never start acting like Europe either...

Still haven't responded to the point of my post, but I don't blame you.

America was never created to be like Europe? What does that even mean?

Gun laws do work, the background check system needs to be improved so that mental health officials can directly have access to them. Teenagers should not be allowed to purchase AR15s, those two things right there could have had an impact in Florida.

But, the point of my post was about countries with gun control laws do not equate to Nazi Germany.

Wrong....the average age of mass shooters is 34.....and the shooter could have waited till he was 21, passed a background check, then shot up the school...or he could have murdered someone and taken their guns....

I was specifically asked about the Florida shooter, take it up with Bruce if you didn't like his question. But your response is brilliant, this kid who obviously didn't have his life together was just going to wait 3 years and that would negate any age restrictions? That's just ridiculous.

Gun control does not work...it doesn't stop criminals or mass shooters

It does, fully automatic weapons because they are more difficult to get are not used often by criminals. A better background check system that better incorporates mental health would also be beneficial.

Neither thing you offered would have stopped the mass shooter in Florida.

Simply because you say so doesn't mean much.

But, the point of my post was about countries with gun control laws do not equate to Nazi Germany

The Germans in the 1920s didn't think that registering their guns with the government was a big deal either, it wan't until 20 years later when the socialists used the registration lists to confiscate guns that it became a matter of life and death...and they registered their guns, and turned in their World War 1 issue rifles following the same exact arguments you anti gunners are making today...the exact same arguments....

Right, and every other modern democracy who have gun control laws are not Nazi Germany. Iraq under Hussein had lots and lots of guns, how did that help?

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Here's a thought, respond to my actual post.

I did about more gun laws in Switzerland.

Gun laws are as useful as drunk driving laws... Sure they are great to punish after the fact but criminals never obey them.

Also the shooting in Florida could have been prevented with the laws already on the books but the failure from the FBI down to the local authorities caused those deaths.

Now I know you believe more gun laws will work and make you safer in life but the reality they don't.

As I stated just in this response there are laws already, so the FBI and local authorities can not protect you.

So as you point out how America is a shit hole country because of it gun laws the fact remains it is my constitutional right to bear arms and in the end nothing you do will change that.

America was never created to be like Europe and it should never start acting like Europe either...

Still haven't responded to the point of my post, but I don't blame you.

America was never created to be like Europe? What does that even mean?

Gun laws do work, the background check system needs to be improved so that mental health officials can directly have access to them. Teenagers should not be allowed to purchase AR15s, those two things right there could have had an impact in Florida.

But, the point of my post was about countries with gun control laws do not equate to Nazi Germany.

Wrong....the average age of mass shooters is 34.....and the shooter could have waited till he was 21, passed a background check, then shot up the school...or he could have murdered someone and taken their guns....

Gun control does not work...it doesn't stop criminals or mass shooters

Neither thing you offered would have stopped the mass shooter in Florida.

But, the point of my post was about countries with gun control laws do not equate to Nazi Germany

The Germans in the 1920s didn't think that registering their guns with the government was a big deal either, it wan't until 20 years later when the socialists used the registration lists to confiscate guns that it became a matter of life and death...and they registered their guns, and turned in their World War 1 issue rifles following the same exact arguments you anti gunners are making today...the exact same arguments....

The mass shooter could have gotten the weapon through straw purchase, so those sating they have the answer with more laws, well they are wrong as usual...

well I've asked before, what law would have prevented that kid from getting a gun. Name any law, a made up law, just tell me the law.

I am saying more laws will not stop mass shooters.

Those believing raising the age will stop the next mass shooter are fooling themselves because of straw purchases that can be done.

 

[HappyJoy]

Cambodia prior to 1974

Germany 1938

Russia 1917

China 1947

Anyone know what occurred in those nations after those years?

Also.....the Germans registered the remaining guns not ordered turned in, in the ...

Why do you always equate gun laws to Nazi Germany? How about Germany today? Or Canada, Or the UK or France?

dude, simply too funny. If the US didn't kick hitler's ass, you think it would be like it is today? Really are you that naive?

No idiot, I'm referring to Germany's gun laws today.

 

[jc456]

As I have said to other posters you have the right not to own one, but please do not infringe on my right because of your fear...

Here's a thought, respond to my actual post.

I did about more gun laws in Switzerland.

Gun laws are as useful as drunk driving laws... Sure they are great to punish after the fact but criminals never obey them.

Also the shooting in Florida could have been prevented with the laws already on the books but the failure from the FBI down to the local authorities caused those deaths.

Now I know you believe more gun laws will work and make you safer in life but the reality they don't.

As I stated just in this response there are laws already, so the FBI and local authorities can not protect you.

So as you point out how America is a shit hole country because of it gun laws the fact remains it is my constitutional right to bear arms and in the end nothing you do will change that.

America was never created to be like Europe and it should never start acting like Europe either...

Still haven't responded to the point of my post, but I don't blame you.

America was never created to be like Europe? What does that even mean?

Gun laws do work, the background check system needs to be improved so that mental health officials can directly have access to them. Teenagers should not be allowed to purchase AR15s, those two things right there could have had an impact in Florida.

But, the point of my post was about countries with gun control laws do not equate to Nazi Germany.

Wrong....the average age of mass shooters is 34.....and the shooter could have waited till he was 21, passed a background check, then shot up the school...or he could have murdered someone and taken their guns....

I was specifically asked about the Florida shooter, take it up with Bruce if you didn't like his question. But your response is brilliant, this kid who obviously didn't have his life together was just going to wait 3 years and that would negate any age restrictions? That's just ridiculous.

Gun control does not work...it doesn't stop criminals or mass shooters

It does, fully automatic weapons because they are more difficult to get are not used often by criminals. A better background check system that better incorporates mental health would also be beneficial.

Neither thing you offered would have stopped the mass shooter in Florida.

Simply because you say so doesn't mean much.

But, the point of my post was about countries with gun control laws do not equate to Nazi Germany

The Germans in the 1920s didn't think that registering their guns with the government was a big deal either, it wan't until 20 years later when the socialists used the registration lists to confiscate guns that it became a matter of life and death...and they registered their guns, and turned in their World War 1 issue rifles following the same exact arguments you anti gunners are making today...the exact same arguments....

Right, and every other modern democracy who have gun control laws are not Nazi Germany. Iraq under Hussein had lots and lots of guns, how did that help?

It does, fully automatic weapons because they are more difficult to get are not used often by criminals. A better background check system that better incorporates mental health would also be beneficial.

No it doesn't. people still die from guns in gun free zones all the time. the left's words.

 

[jc456]

Cambodia prior to 1974

Germany 1938

Russia 1917

China 1947

Anyone know what occurred in those nations after those years?

Also.....the Germans registered the remaining guns not ordered turned in, in the ...

Why do you always equate gun laws to Nazi Germany? How about Germany today? Or Canada, Or the UK or France?

dude, simply too funny. If the US didn't kick hitler's ass, you think it would be like it is today? Really are you that naive?

No idiot, I'm referring to Germany's gun laws today.

they wouldn't have their laws today if the USA didn't kick hitler's ass. you miss that point. LOL.

As did Switzerland with all of their guns.

 

[Likkmee]

Cambodia prior to 1974

Germany 1938

Russia 1917

China 1947

Anyone know what occurred in those nations after those years?

What about all of Europe today?

10 countries with the most guns per capita:

• USA - 112.6 guns per 100 residents.
• Serbia - 75.6.
• Yemen - 54.8.
• Switzerland - 45.7.
• Cyprus - 36.4.
• Saudi Arabia - 35.
• Iraq - 34.2.
• Uruguay - 31.8.

Switzerland is nice, though they still have more gun laws than we do. Ever vacation in Yemen?

As I have said to other posters you have the right not to own one, but please do not infringe on my right because of your fear...

Here's a thought, respond to my actual post.

I did about more gun laws in Switzerland.

Gun laws are as useful as drunk driving laws... Sure they are great to punish after the fact but criminals never obey them.

Also the shooting in Florida could have been prevented with the laws already on the books but the failure from the FBI down to the local authorities caused those deaths.

Now I know you believe more gun laws will work and make you safer in life but the reality they don't.

As I stated just in this response there are laws already, so the FBI and local authorities can not protect you.

So as you point out how America is a shit hole country because of it gun laws the fact remains it is my constitutional right to bear arms and in the end nothing you do will change that.

America was never created to be like Europe and it should never start acting like Europe either...

So as you point out how America is a shit hole country because

To the liberal who has his head shoved up his ass, here is a shithole country(Venezuela) that has very strict gun laws. At least our animals are starving, yet.

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Thats Venzafrica. Here's the other Venezuela.

 

[jc456]

What about all of Europe today?

10 countries with the most guns per capita:

• USA - 112.6 guns per 100 residents.
• Serbia - 75.6.
• Yemen - 54.8.
• Switzerland - 45.7.
• Cyprus - 36.4.
• Saudi Arabia - 35.
• Iraq - 34.2.
• Uruguay - 31.8.

Switzerland is nice, though they still have more gun laws than we do. Ever vacation in Yemen?

As I have said to other posters you have the right not to own one, but please do not infringe on my right because of your fear...

Here's a thought, respond to my actual post.

I did about more gun laws in Switzerland.

Gun laws are as useful as drunk driving laws... Sure they are great to punish after the fact but criminals never obey them.

Also the shooting in Florida could have been prevented with the laws already on the books but the failure from the FBI down to the local authorities caused those deaths.

Now I know you believe more gun laws will work and make you safer in life but the reality they don't.

As I stated just in this response there are laws already, so the FBI and local authorities can not protect you.

So as you point out how America is a shit hole country because of it gun laws the fact remains it is my constitutional right to bear arms and in the end nothing you do will change that.

America was never created to be like Europe and it should never start acting like Europe either...

So as you point out how America is a shit hole country because

To the liberal who has his head shoved up his ass, here is a shithole country(Venezuela) that has very strict gun laws. At least our animals are starving, yet.

View attachment 182785 View attachment 182786 View attachment 182787 View attachment 182788

Thats Venzafrica. Here's the other Venezuela.

AMEN

 

[HappyJoy]

Cambodia prior to 1974

Germany 1938

Russia 1917

China 1947

Anyone know what occurred in those nations after those years?

Also.....the Germans registered the remaining guns not ordered turned in, in the 1920s.....those registration lists were then used by the socialists to disarm Jews and political opposition...who were the ones who ended up in the gas chambers...


Don't forget.....the rest of Europe also took guns away from their people after World War 1.....that left them helpless when the Germans took over....and they were forced to hand over innocent men, women and children to the Germans to be murdered in gas chambers....

The only country that didn't experience this...Switzerland....they had 435,000 citizens armed with military rifles ready to fight any invasion...and because of that, the Germans didn't invade....

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS



That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"



The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.



The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.



Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.



While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.

here Happy, read about Switzerland. then ask yourself if you would really want to live there.

Switzerland has stricter gun laws than we do, are you saying you'd like to incorporate their laws? Or, surprisingly enough you don't know what you're talking about.

No...they have fully automatic rifles in most homes......anyone could take that rifle and shoot up a school...their gun control laws do not stop that.

Actually most citizens of Switzerland aren't allowed to own fully automatic weapons, are you really this naive about their gun laws? You seem to talk about them quite a bit yet have no practical understanding of their laws.

I'm more than happy to have Switzerland's gun laws, the only exception I can think of off hand is that the age to buy a gun should be 21 with exceptions for military personnel.

Let's go with Wiki, they sum it up nicely:

Regulation[edit]
Switzerland's Weapons Law (WG, LArm)[2] and Weapons Act (WV, OArm)[3] has been revised to accede to the Schengen Treaty effective 12 December 2008. The Act on Personal Military Equipement (VPAA, OEPM) governs the handling of military equipement, and in particular the handling of personal weapons by military personnel.[10]

The law is applied to the following weapons:

• Firearms, such as pistols, revolvers, rifles, pump guns (German: Vorderschaftrepetierer), lever-action rifles, self-loading guns (shotguns and rifles)
• Air and CO2 guns with a muzzle energy of at least 7.5 joules, or if there is risk of confusion with a firearm
• Imitation, blank firing guns (German: Schreckschuss) and soft-air guns when there is risk of confusion with a firearm
• Butterfly knives, throwing knives, switchblade or automatic knives with total length greater than 12 cm and blade length greater than 5 cm
• Daggers with a symmetrical blade less than 30 cm
• Devices that are intended to hurt people such as batons (German: Schlagrute), throwing star, brass knuckles, slings with armrest
• Electric shock devices and spray products with irritants in Annex 2 weapons ordinance (WV/OArm), except for pepper spray

Generally prohibited arms are:

• Automatic firearms such as machine guns, etc.
• Automatic knives when the blade more than 5 cm and total length of more than 12 cm
• Butterfly knives when the blade more than 5 cm and total length of more than 12 cm
• Throwing knives; regardless of the shape and size
• Symmetrical daggers where blade length is less than 30 cm
• Brass knuckles
• Shock rods or stun guns
• Throwing Stars
• Buttstock-equipped slingshots German: Schleudern mit Armstütze
• Tasers
• Hidden firearms that imitate an object of utility, such as shooting phones

Acquisition[edit]
Buying guns[edit]
In order to purchase most weapons, the purchaser must obtain a weapon acquisition permit (art. 8 WG/LArm). Swiss citizens and foreigners with a C permit over the age of 18 who are not psychiatrically disqualified nor identified as posing security problems, and who have a clean criminal record can request such a permit. Foreigners with the following citizenship are explicitly excluded from the right to possess weapons: Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania.[note 2] The following information must be provided to the cantonal weapon bureau together with the weapon application form:

• valid official identification or passport copy
• residence address
• criminal record copy not older than 3 months

For each transfer of a weapon or an essential weapon component without weapons acquisition permit (art. 10 WG/LArm), a written contract must be concluded. Each Party shall keep them at least ten years. The contract must include the following information (art. 11 WG/LArm):

• Family name, first name, birth date, residence address and signature of the person who sells the weapon or essential weapon component
• Family name, first name, birth date, residence address and signature of the person who purchases the weapon or an essential weapon component
• Kind of weapon, manufacturer or producer, label, caliber, weapon number, and date and place of transfer
• Type and number of official identification of the person who acquires the weapon or the essential weapon component
• and an indication of the processing of personal data in connection with the contract in accordance with the privacy policy of the Federation or the cantons, if firearms are transmitted

This information must be sent within 30 days to the cantonal weapon registration bureau, where the weapon holders are registered (art. 9 WG/LArm).

Some weapons do not need a weapon acquisition permit (art. 10 WG/LArm):

• Single-shot and multi-barreled hunting rifles and replicas of single-shot muzzle loaders
• By the Federal Council designated hand bolt-action rifles, which are commonly used in off-duty and sporting gunnery recognized by the military law of 3 February 1952 and shooting clubs for hunting purposes in Switzerland
• Single-shot rabbit slayer
• Compressed air and CO2 weapons that develop a muzzle energy of at least 7.5 joules, or may be confused because of their appearance with real firearms

Buying ammunition

In order to purchase ammunition the buyer must follow the same legal rules that apply to buying guns. The buyer can only buy ammunition for guns that he/she legally owns and must provide the following information to the seller (art. 15, 16 WG/LArm; art. 24 WV/OArm):[2][3]

• valid official identification or passport (and must be older than 18 and who are not psychiatrically disqualified nor identified as posing security problems, and must not be a citizen of the following countries (art. 12 WV/OArm): Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania)
• residence address
• criminal record copy not older than 3 months
• weapon acquisition permit not older than 2 years, or a weapon carrying permit not older than 5 years

This also applies for weapons which do not require a weapon acquisition permit (see above, excluding the weapon acquisition permit, of course).

This information must be sent within 30 days to the cantonal weapon registration bureau, where the weapon holder is registered.

The same applies to black powder and modern black powder substitutes for use in firing historical rifles.

A Swiss 100 gram black powder container.
The possession of the following munition is generally prohibited:

• Ammunition with armor-piercing bullets
• Ammunition with projectiles containing an explosive or incendiary device
• Ammunition with one or more floors to the release of substances which damage the health of people in the long run
• Ammunition, missiles and missile launchers for military explosive
• Ammunition with projectiles for transmitting electric shocks
• Ammunition for handguns with deformation effect

Carrying guns[edit]
To carry a firearm in public or outdoors (and for a militia member to carry a firearm other than his issued weapons while off-duty), a person must have a gun carrying permit (German: Waffentragbewilligung, French: permis de port d'armes, Italian: permesso di porto di armi; art. 27 WG/LArm), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.[2] It is, however, quite common to see a person in military service to be en route with his rifle, albeit unloaded.[10] The issue of such exceptional permits are extremely selective.[clarification needed]

However, it is permissible to carry firearms in public or outdoors if the holder (art. 27 § 4 WG/LArm):

• Has a valid hunting license and is carrying the firearm for hunting
• Is participating in a demonstration and is carrying the firearm in reference to a historical event
• Is participating in a shooting competition for air-soft guns, provided that the competition has a secure perimeter
• Is an airport security officer for an authorized country, a border patrol officer, or a game warden, who is carrying the firearm in the course of their employment

Furthermore, any licensed holder of a gun may transport an unloaded firearm for special situations (see #Transporting guns).

Conditions for obtaining a Carrying Permit[edit]
There are three conditions (art. 27 § 2 WG/LArm):

• fulfilling the conditions for a buying permit (see section above)
• stating plausibly the need to carry firearms to protect oneself, other people, or real property from a specified danger
• passing an examination proving both weapon handling skills and knowledge regarding lawful use of the weapon

The carrying permit remains valid for a term of five years (unless otherwise surrendered or revoked), and applies only to the type of firearm for which the permit was issued. Additional constraints may be invoked to modify any specific permit. (art. 27 § 3 WG/LArm)

Transporting guns[edit]
Guns may be transported in public as long as an appropriate justification is present. This means to transport a gun in public, the following requirements apply (art. 28 WG/LArm):

• The ammunition must be separated from the gun, no ammunition in a magazine
• The transport needs to be as direct as possible and needs a valid purpose:
  • For courses or exercises hosted by marksmanship, hunting or military organisations
  • To an army warehouse and back
  • To show the gun to a friend or a possible buyer
  • To and from a holder of a valid arms trade permit
  • To and from a specific event, e.g. gun shows
  • During change of residence

 

[jc456]

Cambodia prior to 1974

Germany 1938

Russia 1917

China 1947

Anyone know what occurred in those nations after those years?

Also.....the Germans registered the remaining guns not ordered turned in, in the 1920s.....those registration lists were then used by the socialists to disarm Jews and political opposition...who were the ones who ended up in the gas chambers...


Don't forget.....the rest of Europe also took guns away from their people after World War 1.....that left them helpless when the Germans took over....and they were forced to hand over innocent men, women and children to the Germans to be murdered in gas chambers....

The only country that didn't experience this...Switzerland....they had 435,000 citizens armed with military rifles ready to fight any invasion...and because of that, the Germans didn't invade....

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS



That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"



The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.



The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.



Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.



While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.

here Happy, read about Switzerland. then ask yourself if you would really want to live there.

Switzerland has stricter gun laws than we do, are you saying you'd like to incorporate their laws? Or, surprisingly enough you don't know what you're talking about.

No...they have fully automatic rifles in most homes......anyone could take that rifle and shoot up a school...their gun control laws do not stop that.

Actually most citizens of Switzerland aren't allowed to own fully automatic weapons, are you really this naive about their gun laws? You seem to talk about them quite a bit yet have no practical understanding of their laws.

I'm more than happy to have Switzerland's gun laws, the only exception I can think of off hand is that the age to buy a gun should be 21 with exceptions for military personnel.

Let's go with Wiki, they sum it up nicely:

Regulation[edit]
Switzerland's Weapons Law (WG, LArm)[2] and Weapons Act (WV, OArm)[3] has been revised to accede to the Schengen Treaty effective 12 December 2008. The Act on Personal Military Equipement (VPAA, OEPM) governs the handling of military equipement, and in particular the handling of personal weapons by military personnel.[10]

The law is applied to the following weapons:

• Firearms, such as pistols, revolvers, rifles, pump guns (German: Vorderschaftrepetierer), lever-action rifles, self-loading guns (shotguns and rifles)
• Air and CO2 guns with a muzzle energy of at least 7.5 joules, or if there is risk of confusion with a firearm
• Imitation, blank firing guns (German: Schreckschuss) and soft-air guns when there is risk of confusion with a firearm
• Butterfly knives, throwing knives, switchblade or automatic knives with total length greater than 12 cm and blade length greater than 5 cm
• Daggers with a symmetrical blade less than 30 cm
• Devices that are intended to hurt people such as batons (German: Schlagrute), throwing star, brass knuckles, slings with armrest
• Electric shock devices and spray products with irritants in Annex 2 weapons ordinance (WV/OArm), except for pepper spray

Generally prohibited arms are:

• Automatic firearms such as machine guns, etc.
• Automatic knives when the blade more than 5 cm and total length of more than 12 cm
• Butterfly knives when the blade more than 5 cm and total length of more than 12 cm
• Throwing knives; regardless of the shape and size
• Symmetrical daggers where blade length is less than 30 cm
• Brass knuckles
• Shock rods or stun guns
• Throwing Stars
• Buttstock-equipped slingshots German: Schleudern mit Armstütze
• Tasers
• Hidden firearms that imitate an object of utility, such as shooting phones

Acquisition[edit]
Buying guns[edit]
In order to purchase most weapons, the purchaser must obtain a weapon acquisition permit (art. 8 WG/LArm). Swiss citizens and foreigners with a C permit over the age of 18 who are not psychiatrically disqualified nor identified as posing security problems, and who have a clean criminal record can request such a permit. Foreigners with the following citizenship are explicitly excluded from the right to possess weapons: Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania.[note 2] The following information must be provided to the cantonal weapon bureau together with the weapon application form:

• valid official identification or passport copy
• residence address
• criminal record copy not older than 3 months

For each transfer of a weapon or an essential weapon component without weapons acquisition permit (art. 10 WG/LArm), a written contract must be concluded. Each Party shall keep them at least ten years. The contract must include the following information (art. 11 WG/LArm):

• Family name, first name, birth date, residence address and signature of the person who sells the weapon or essential weapon component
• Family name, first name, birth date, residence address and signature of the person who purchases the weapon or an essential weapon component
• Kind of weapon, manufacturer or producer, label, caliber, weapon number, and date and place of transfer
• Type and number of official identification of the person who acquires the weapon or the essential weapon component
• and an indication of the processing of personal data in connection with the contract in accordance with the privacy policy of the Federation or the cantons, if firearms are transmitted

This information must be sent within 30 days to the cantonal weapon registration bureau, where the weapon holders are registered (art. 9 WG/LArm).

Some weapons do not need a weapon acquisition permit (art. 10 WG/LArm):

• Single-shot and multi-barreled hunting rifles and replicas of single-shot muzzle loaders
• By the Federal Council designated hand bolt-action rifles, which are commonly used in off-duty and sporting gunnery recognized by the military law of 3 February 1952 and shooting clubs for hunting purposes in Switzerland
• Single-shot rabbit slayer
• Compressed air and CO2 weapons that develop a muzzle energy of at least 7.5 joules, or may be confused because of their appearance with real firearms

Buying ammunition

In order to purchase ammunition the buyer must follow the same legal rules that apply to buying guns. The buyer can only buy ammunition for guns that he/she legally owns and must provide the following information to the seller (art. 15, 16 WG/LArm; art. 24 WV/OArm):[2][3]

• 
  
  
  • valid official identification or passport (and must be older than 18 and who are not psychiatrically disqualified nor identified as posing security problems, and must not be a citizen of the following countries (art. 12 WV/OArm): Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania)
  • residence address
  • criminal record copy not older than 3 months
  • weapon acquisition permit not older than 2 years, or a weapon carrying permit not older than 5 years

This also applies for weapons which do not require a weapon acquisition permit (see above, excluding the weapon acquisition permit, of course).

This information must be sent within 30 days to the cantonal weapon registration bureau, where the weapon holder is registered.

The same applies to black powder and modern black powder substitutes for use in firing historical rifles.

A Swiss 100 gram black powder container.
The possession of the following munition is generally prohibited:

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  • Ammunition with armor-piercing bullets
  • Ammunition with projectiles containing an explosive or incendiary device
  • Ammunition with one or more floors to the release of substances which damage the health of people in the long run
  • Ammunition, missiles and missile launchers for military explosive
  • Ammunition with projectiles for transmitting electric shocks
  • Ammunition for handguns with deformation effect

Carrying guns[edit]
To carry a firearm in public or outdoors (and for a militia member to carry a firearm other than his issued weapons while off-duty), a person must have a gun carrying permit (German: Waffentragbewilligung, French: permis de port d'armes, Italian: permesso di porto di armi; art. 27 WG/LArm), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.[2] It is, however, quite common to see a person in military service to be en route with his rifle, albeit unloaded.[10] The issue of such exceptional permits are extremely selective.[clarification needed]

However, it is permissible to carry firearms in public or outdoors if the holder (art. 27 § 4 WG/LArm):

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  • Has a valid hunting license and is carrying the firearm for hunting
  • Is participating in a demonstration and is carrying the firearm in reference to a historical event
  • Is participating in a shooting competition for air-soft guns, provided that the competition has a secure perimeter
  • Is an airport security officer for an authorized country, a border patrol officer, or a game warden, who is carrying the firearm in the course of their employment

Furthermore, any licensed holder of a gun may transport an unloaded firearm for special situations (see #Transporting guns).

Conditions for obtaining a Carrying Permit[edit]
There are three conditions (art. 27 § 2 WG/LArm):

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  • fulfilling the conditions for a buying permit (see section above)
  • stating plausibly the need to carry firearms to protect oneself, other people, or real property from a specified danger
  • passing an examination proving both weapon handling skills and knowledge regarding lawful use of the weapon

The carrying permit remains valid for a term of five years (unless otherwise surrendered or revoked), and applies only to the type of firearm for which the permit was issued. Additional constraints may be invoked to modify any specific permit. (art. 27 § 3 WG/LArm)

Transporting guns[edit]
Guns may be transported in public as long as an appropriate justification is present. This means to transport a gun in public, the following requirements apply (art. 28 WG/LArm):

• 
  
  
  • The ammunition must be separated from the gun, no ammunition in a magazine
  • The transport needs to be as direct as possible and needs a valid purpose:
    • For courses or exercises hosted by marksmanship, hunting or military organisations
    • To an army warehouse and back
    • To show the gun to a friend or a possible buyer
    • To and from a holder of a valid arms trade permit
    • To and from a specific event, e.g. gun shows
    • During change of residence

dude, I truly don't give a shit about Switzerland's gun laws. It appears you do. so a good spot to move to. I love my country and its constitution. It allows you to exist free.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Cambodia prior to 1974

Germany 1938

Russia 1917

China 1947

Anyone know what occurred in those nations after those years?

What about all of Europe today?

10 countries with the most guns per capita:

• USA - 112.6 guns per 100 residents.
• Serbia - 75.6.
• Yemen - 54.8.
• Switzerland - 45.7.
• Cyprus - 36.4.
• Saudi Arabia - 35.
• Iraq - 34.2.
• Uruguay - 31.8.

Switzerland is nice, though they still have more gun laws than we do. Ever vacation in Yemen?

Yeah....lets look at europe.
Government takes away guns and promptly floods the country with muslims.

 

[HappyJoy]

What about all of Europe today?

10 countries with the most guns per capita:

• USA - 112.6 guns per 100 residents.
• Serbia - 75.6.
• Yemen - 54.8.
• Switzerland - 45.7.
• Cyprus - 36.4.
• Saudi Arabia - 35.
• Iraq - 34.2.
• Uruguay - 31.8.

Switzerland is nice, though they still have more gun laws than we do. Ever vacation in Yemen?

What is the relevance?

The relevance is simply cherry picking out a handful of countries over time to attempt to demonstrate that gun control laws = tyranny. When most of our allies have stronger gun control laws than we do are also democratic. And the cherry on the top is pointing at that the top 10 countries with the most guns per capita have some pretty awful governments.

Basically, gun control does not equal Nazi Germany, but I thought that would be obvious.

And those European countries are now experiencing more and more gun crime.....while our gun crime rates are going down....you guys think that gun control is stagnant...that changes in the culture of a country will keep their citizens obeying their gun laws...that isn't the case in Europe or anywhere else....

The Truth.....?

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...

-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Their gun crime is way lower than ours still. It's not even a contest. Also, all crime went down for the United States to include gun crime, it's still way, way higher than other countries.

apples and oranges.

Please let the grown ups talk.

 

[HappyJoy]

Cambodia prior to 1974

Germany 1938

Russia 1917

China 1947

Anyone know what occurred in those nations after those years?

What about all of Europe today?

10 countries with the most guns per capita:

• USA - 112.6 guns per 100 residents.
• Serbia - 75.6.
• Yemen - 54.8.
• Switzerland - 45.7.
• Cyprus - 36.4.
• Saudi Arabia - 35.
• Iraq - 34.2.
• Uruguay - 31.8.

Switzerland is nice, though they still have more gun laws than we do. Ever vacation in Yemen?

Yeah....lets look at europe.
Government takes away guns and promptly floods the country with muslims.

Yet we still have more gun violence, go figure.

 

[jc456]

What is the relevance?

The relevance is simply cherry picking out a handful of countries over time to attempt to demonstrate that gun control laws = tyranny. When most of our allies have stronger gun control laws than we do are also democratic. And the cherry on the top is pointing at that the top 10 countries with the most guns per capita have some pretty awful governments.

Basically, gun control does not equal Nazi Germany, but I thought that would be obvious.

And those European countries are now experiencing more and more gun crime.....while our gun crime rates are going down....you guys think that gun control is stagnant...that changes in the culture of a country will keep their citizens obeying their gun laws...that isn't the case in Europe or anywhere else....

The Truth.....?

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...

-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Their gun crime is way lower than ours still. It's not even a contest. Also, all crime went down for the United States to include gun crime, it's still way, way higher than other countries.

apples and oranges.

Please let the grown ups talk.

I've been waiting for them

 

[HappyJoy]

2Aguy who promotes Switzerland as some sort of gun rights haven apparently endorses gun registration.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Cambodia prior to 1974

Germany 1938

Russia 1917

China 1947

Anyone know what occurred in those nations after those years?

What about all of Europe today?

10 countries with the most guns per capita:

• USA - 112.6 guns per 100 residents.
• Serbia - 75.6.
• Yemen - 54.8.
• Switzerland - 45.7.
• Cyprus - 36.4.
• Saudi Arabia - 35.
• Iraq - 34.2.
• Uruguay - 31.8.

Switzerland is nice, though they still have more gun laws than we do. Ever vacation in Yemen?

Yeah....lets look at europe.
Government takes away guns and promptly floods the country with muslims.

Yet we still have more gun violence, go figure.

And europe has a muslim crime problem...go figure.

 

[HappyJoy]

The relevance is simply cherry picking out a handful of countries over time to attempt to demonstrate that gun control laws = tyranny. When most of our allies have stronger gun control laws than we do are also democratic. And the cherry on the top is pointing at that the top 10 countries with the most guns per capita have some pretty awful governments.

Basically, gun control does not equal Nazi Germany, but I thought that would be obvious.

And those European countries are now experiencing more and more gun crime.....while our gun crime rates are going down....you guys think that gun control is stagnant...that changes in the culture of a country will keep their citizens obeying their gun laws...that isn't the case in Europe or anywhere else....

The Truth.....?

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...

-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Their gun crime is way lower than ours still. It's not even a contest. Also, all crime went down for the United States to include gun crime, it's still way, way higher than other countries.

apples and oranges.

Please let the grown ups talk.

I've been waiting for them

Great, your parents are home, go get a snack.

 

[jc456]

A2guy who promotes Switzerland as some sort of gun rights haven apparently endorses gun registration.

ah the ole inaccurately point out someone else's post as your agenda ploy used by the left.