Gun Control and Logic

[Daryl Hunt]

I don't see the same features that an AR-15/M-16/M-4 have that differentiates them from a civilian rifle. I would say that this is a very fancy civilian rifle.

And once again we see that an assault weapon ban is only concerned with how a rifle looks.

Buy an AR 15 without a folding stock, without a pistol grip, flash suppressor, or any of a couple other doodads and it's 100% legal even in CO

Not quite. Some of those "Do Dads" will get it bounced. It's not the "Do Dads" that will get it bounced, it's the rails to mount them that will get it bounced.

It isn't the looks that makes it a weapon of war, it's the function. And the looks of the AR is because of it's functions. What Colorado did was to remove some of those functions. The end result? The Cult of the AR was ended. Today, the Gun Shops have many, many Bargain ARs to be had just sitting gathering dust on the shelves. Before the 2013 law, they were selling like hotcakes. In order for the Gun Shops to sell the ARs they had in stock, they had to remove the rails and mounts and fill in the mounting screws so they could not be used. Plus, they had to remove the other items on the ban list. Those same ARs on the shelves used to have all the goodies you seem to want. Sorry, they just ain't there. And the Gunnutter Cult pretty well went away. Along with it, the Mass Shootings went with it. After 3 something had to be done and that was just part of it. And we stopped being the Mass Shooting Capital of the World. We handed that off to Florida and Texas who can't seem to learn their lesson very well.

And not one of those things that define a so called "assault weapon" have anything to do with how it operates.

So the fuck what if there is a picatinny rail or a pistol grip as they have absolutely ZERO effect on how the rifle operates

Did I call even one of them an Assault Rifle? If so, which one? Be specific.

The state of CO does and you were talking about the CO assault weapon regulations which does nothing but ban some cosmetic accessories

Read closely. I'll type slowly. Colorado does NOT have any Assault Rifle regulations. Not a single one. We have have firearm regulations. And what you call comsmetic accessories has broken the AR-15 Cult sickness that we once had. It's only a small part of other changes we made to reduce the behavior to gun homicides in the state. It's a very long list of provable items that has a positive affect each year. Things like getting violent convicted criminals back into prison for trying to buy guns, preventing people from entering into your schools with guns, and more. These are provable and very effective. And it's not all done by just firearms regulations. It's also done by cooperation between Cops and Neighborhoods, education of homes around schools, etc.. Maybe you like your schools, movie houses and public assemblies shot to pieces but we'll pass.

 

[Hale]

As for that 100 yd shot, sure. As long as I get one shot with the old trusty 700 308 and we fire the first round at the same time. You will get the first round off but there is almost a 100% chance you won't be getting the second one off. Never bring a plinker to a rifle fight.

Hmmm... You've already declared the 9mm carbine to be a "toy", comparable to a "Red Ryder BB gun". Why would you need a .308 to defend yourself against it?

And btw, bring it. Odds are you've never held a firearm, let alone fired one.

 

[sakinago]

It's a Beretta CX4 Storm, operation is identical to an AR, and I'm not understanding how it "takes two hands". There aren't any magazine fed rifles or pistols that only take one, unless perhaps you straps some weird mag-holder to your leg and poke the weapon down on it lol.

In any event you haven't answered the question, and you've added yet another element - ammo. So is it the history, the features, the ammo, or all of the above?

I already covered this. It's a toy. It's a cross between a 9mm handgun and a daisy red rider. It lacks power and accuracy so that alone disqualifies it. Now, build the same weapon just a bit bigger, better quality and a more lethal caliber and it might qualify. But as it stands, it's just another plinker.

It’s basically a semi auto machine pistol. So if caliber, distance, and stopping power are the issue, then smgs are fine?

You brought up ONE weapon. You need to stick with that instead of trolling for generalizations. I gave a pretty accurate description of your one weapon after viewing one world class shooter operate it on a mixed range. Yes, he had a ball but he also missed a bunch due to a lot of factors. It might be extremely lethal if it were a full auto but as a semi auto with limited ammo, it's a plinker. It is too large to replace a handgun so it even fails there. You have to fill ALL of the features of the AR to be considered the equal of the AR because the AR fills ALL of the criteria that Stoner required it to fill. And nothing on the market today does a better job.

I didn’t bring it up. So a semi-auto SMG should be perfectly legal, like these...
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I can just use Colorado Firearms Regs on this one.

9mms. The problem here is, these aren't any more powerful and more cumbersome than a Handgun. And they are actually less accurate if you are rushed. I can site shoot faster and I can spot shoot faster with a handgun than I can with any of the following. They may be legal but they really aren't good choices. I put them into the plinker category.

MP-5 legal with the proper mag

UMP-45 legal with the legal mag

PM-9 Legal if you remove the capability to use the forward pistol grip and use the proper mag and remove the ability to use a silencer. The problem is, removing the forward pistol grip throws the balance completely off.

28 or more Grains of Powder per Round. These two are designed to go out and reach out. They are both designed for crew weapons where you sometimes have to dismount and fire on targets further than 40 yds away. You may have to go to 50 or more yds.

MP-7 This is class as a pistol. It's round is a 4.6 X 30 which has enough power to penetrate many types of body armor. The rounds are fast, real fast and small. While not quite in the same class as the 556 nato, it's pretty danged close for such a small package. But due to the available equipment and mags, it's considered illegal in many States, not all. What keeps this out of the mass shooters hands is the cost. It's expensive, really expensive.

P-90 Not Legal as the P-90 since the P-90 is a full auto. But the PS-90 is the same gun in a Semi Auto. But you can't remove most of the features on it because they are built into the frame. It uses a 5.7X28mm which is just below the 556 Nato Round. It's slightly larger, slight slower but still has enough punch to do the job. The problem this one has is, it contains a huge amount of ammo. It's mag is a 50 round mag. Luckily, this puppy (see the pun?) is so expensive that the mass shooters will overlook it.

PPM90M1 Not legal. Exceeds Max Ammo with it's 64 round mag, Designed for close quarters only. The smallest mag is 32 rounds and it still exceeds the 15 round max by a large margin. This thing is designed for house to house fighting, not for home defense. And it's only found in Russia in their Military and, of course, Video Games. Good luck in getting one. Oh, it's like anything else, if you really, really want one and have enough money you can get one. But remember, it's a full auto, limited export item from Russia.

So I found only two of your guns that could do the job of the AR if there are no local laws against having them. But you had better have really deep pockets. So, what is your point on this one again?

They’re not all 9mm, they come pretty much in any ammo chambered by a handgun. They aren’t more “cumbersome”, and are way more accurate and easier to handle than a handgun. You’ve must have never shot anything besides a handgun if you believe that. If your characterization of these was correct, then there wouldn’t be any ARs, just handguns that chamber rifle rounds, as silly as a thought that might be.

 

[sakinago]

When we hear about "gun control" from the Left, there is seldom any logic involved. Mr. Nugent presents nine points here with which I agree, and I challenge you to counter any of them. Please format your posts with his quote followed by your rebuttal.

Ted Nugent on Guns and Logic:

1 - Eleven teens die each day because of texting while driving. Maybe it's time to raise the age of Smart phone ownership to 21.
2 - If gun control laws actually worked, Chicago would be Mayberry.
3 - The Second Amendment makes more women equal than the entire feminist movement.
4 - Legal gun owners have 300 million guns and probably a trillion rounds of ammo. Seriously, folks, if we were the problem, you'd know it.
5 - When JFK was killed, nobody blamed the rifle
6 - The NRA murders 0 people and receives $0 in government funds. Planned Parenthood kills 350,000 babies every year and receives $500,000,000 in tax dollars annually.
7 - I have no problem with vigorous background checks when it comes to firearms. While we're at it, let's do the same when it comes to immigration, Voter I.D and Candidates running for office. Also for welfare recipients.
8 - You don't need a smoke detector; that's what the fire department is for. Now...if you think that sounds stupid, you know how I feel when you say I don't need a gun.
9 - Folks keep talking about another Civil War. One side knows how to shoot and has a trillion bullets. The other side has crying closets and is confused about which bathroom to use. How do you think that's going to end?

Nugent is a fucking moron. Obviously.

And let that moron keep comparing cars to guns. Laws regulate where cars can and can't go, and how they can be operated. Laws regulate who can and can't drive them. Every time you renew your drivers license, you are subject to a backrground search to see if you have any relevant history or violations that should keep you from getting your license. Every sale of every vehicle must be registered with the state. Every vehicle has an identifying license plate, registered to its owner. Cars themselves are heavily regulated in terms of what is street legal and what is not. Certain medical conditions will keep you from getting a driver's license.

Gee, sounds like the good ideas for gun control. So go ahead people, keep comparing guns to cars. All day.

Except the government isn’t explicitly prohibited from regulating cars like they are with guns.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Except the government isn’t explicitly prohibited from regulating cars like they are with guns.

Except you're 100% wrong, and the government can and does regulate guns. Try to confine your points to what the rest of us call "reality".

 

[Daryl Hunt]

As for that 100 yd shot, sure. As long as I get one shot with the old trusty 700 308 and we fire the first round at the same time. You will get the first round off but there is almost a 100% chance you won't be getting the second one off. Never bring a plinker to a rifle fight.

Hmmm... You've already declared the 9mm carbine to be a "toy", comparable to a "Red Ryder BB gun". Why would you need a .308 to defend yourself against it?

And btw, bring it. Odds are you've never held a firearm, let alone fired one.

I am retired Military. Yah, I never held a firearm. Yuppers, cupcake. I bet you say that to every Veteran that kicks your candy ass. And when you stand at 100 yds, a 9mm IS a Red Ryder BB gun in a firefight. Better bring at least an AR-15 or better or stay home or die. You watch way too many movies.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I already covered this. It's a toy. It's a cross between a 9mm handgun and a daisy red rider. It lacks power and accuracy so that alone disqualifies it. Now, build the same weapon just a bit bigger, better quality and a more lethal caliber and it might qualify. But as it stands, it's just another plinker.

It’s basically a semi auto machine pistol. So if caliber, distance, and stopping power are the issue, then smgs are fine?

You brought up ONE weapon. You need to stick with that instead of trolling for generalizations. I gave a pretty accurate description of your one weapon after viewing one world class shooter operate it on a mixed range. Yes, he had a ball but he also missed a bunch due to a lot of factors. It might be extremely lethal if it were a full auto but as a semi auto with limited ammo, it's a plinker. It is too large to replace a handgun so it even fails there. You have to fill ALL of the features of the AR to be considered the equal of the AR because the AR fills ALL of the criteria that Stoner required it to fill. And nothing on the market today does a better job.

I didn’t bring it up. So a semi-auto SMG should be perfectly legal, like these...
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View attachment 254471

I can just use Colorado Firearms Regs on this one.

9mms. The problem here is, these aren't any more powerful and more cumbersome than a Handgun. And they are actually less accurate if you are rushed. I can site shoot faster and I can spot shoot faster with a handgun than I can with any of the following. They may be legal but they really aren't good choices. I put them into the plinker category.

MP-5 legal with the proper mag

UMP-45 legal with the legal mag

PM-9 Legal if you remove the capability to use the forward pistol grip and use the proper mag and remove the ability to use a silencer. The problem is, removing the forward pistol grip throws the balance completely off.

28 or more Grains of Powder per Round. These two are designed to go out and reach out. They are both designed for crew weapons where you sometimes have to dismount and fire on targets further than 40 yds away. You may have to go to 50 or more yds.

MP-7 This is class as a pistol. It's round is a 4.6 X 30 which has enough power to penetrate many types of body armor. The rounds are fast, real fast and small. While not quite in the same class as the 556 nato, it's pretty danged close for such a small package. But due to the available equipment and mags, it's considered illegal in many States, not all. What keeps this out of the mass shooters hands is the cost. It's expensive, really expensive.

P-90 Not Legal as the P-90 since the P-90 is a full auto. But the PS-90 is the same gun in a Semi Auto. But you can't remove most of the features on it because they are built into the frame. It uses a 5.7X28mm which is just below the 556 Nato Round. It's slightly larger, slight slower but still has enough punch to do the job. The problem this one has is, it contains a huge amount of ammo. It's mag is a 50 round mag. Luckily, this puppy (see the pun?) is so expensive that the mass shooters will overlook it.

PPM90M1 Not legal. Exceeds Max Ammo with it's 64 round mag, Designed for close quarters only. The smallest mag is 32 rounds and it still exceeds the 15 round max by a large margin. This thing is designed for house to house fighting, not for home defense. And it's only found in Russia in their Military and, of course, Video Games. Good luck in getting one. Oh, it's like anything else, if you really, really want one and have enough money you can get one. But remember, it's a full auto, limited export item from Russia.

So I found only two of your guns that could do the job of the AR if there are no local laws against having them. But you had better have really deep pockets. So, what is your point on this one again?

They’re not all 9mm, they come pretty much in any ammo chambered by a handgun. They aren’t more “cumbersome”, and are way more accurate and easier to handle than a handgun. You’ve must have never shot anything besides a handgun if you believe that. If your characterization of these was correct, then there wouldn’t be any ARs, just handguns that chamber rifle rounds, as silly as a thought that might be.

And exactly how much money do you have? Are you pockets that deep? The plinkers you brought up are very expensive and most do only come in only 9mm because of the size. You can't change physics. I am retired Military and you know, I bet you say that to EVERY vet that kicks your ass. You are the embodiment of stupid and we can't fix stupid.

 

[Hale]

I am retired Military. Yah, I never held a firearm. Yuppers, cupcake. I bet you say that to every Veteran that kicks your candy ass. And when you stand at 100 yds, a 9mm IS a Red Ryder BB gun in a firefight. Better bring at least an AR-15 or better or stay home or die. You watch way too many movies.

You lose, I'm a veteran - and if you really are, you're a disgrace.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I am retired Military. Yah, I never held a firearm. Yuppers, cupcake. I bet you say that to every Veteran that kicks your candy ass. And when you stand at 100 yds, a 9mm IS a Red Ryder BB gun in a firefight. Better bring at least an AR-15 or better or stay home or die. You watch way too many movies.

You lose, I'm a veteran - and if you really are, you're a disgrace.

A veteran who hates most americans...maybe you fought for the wrong team...

 

[SandSquid]

I am retired Military. Yah, I never held a firearm. Yuppers, cupcake. I bet you say that to every Veteran that kicks your candy ass. And when you stand at 100 yds, a 9mm IS a Red Ryder BB gun in a firefight. Better bring at least an AR-15 or better or stay home or die. You watch way too many movies.

You lose, I'm a veteran - and if you really are, you're a disgrace.

A veteran who hates most americans...maybe you fought for the wrong team...

Fuck off you twit. He's an American Vet and just because he called you out on your BS trolling which you are unable to back up you make up that traitor bit? Piss off you twat.

 

[Ambivalent1]

It’s basically a semi auto machine pistol. So if caliber, distance, and stopping power are the issue, then smgs are fine?

You brought up ONE weapon. You need to stick with that instead of trolling for generalizations. I gave a pretty accurate description of your one weapon after viewing one world class shooter operate it on a mixed range. Yes, he had a ball but he also missed a bunch due to a lot of factors. It might be extremely lethal if it were a full auto but as a semi auto with limited ammo, it's a plinker. It is too large to replace a handgun so it even fails there. You have to fill ALL of the features of the AR to be considered the equal of the AR because the AR fills ALL of the criteria that Stoner required it to fill. And nothing on the market today does a better job.

I didn’t bring it up. So a semi-auto SMG should be perfectly legal, like these...
View attachment 254470
View attachment 254471

I can just use Colorado Firearms Regs on this one.

9mms. The problem here is, these aren't any more powerful and more cumbersome than a Handgun. And they are actually less accurate if you are rushed. I can site shoot faster and I can spot shoot faster with a handgun than I can with any of the following. They may be legal but they really aren't good choices. I put them into the plinker category.

MP-5 legal with the proper mag

UMP-45 legal with the legal mag

PM-9 Legal if you remove the capability to use the forward pistol grip and use the proper mag and remove the ability to use a silencer. The problem is, removing the forward pistol grip throws the balance completely off.

28 or more Grains of Powder per Round. These two are designed to go out and reach out. They are both designed for crew weapons where you sometimes have to dismount and fire on targets further than 40 yds away. You may have to go to 50 or more yds.

MP-7 This is class as a pistol. It's round is a 4.6 X 30 which has enough power to penetrate many types of body armor. The rounds are fast, real fast and small. While not quite in the same class as the 556 nato, it's pretty danged close for such a small package. But due to the available equipment and mags, it's considered illegal in many States, not all. What keeps this out of the mass shooters hands is the cost. It's expensive, really expensive.

P-90 Not Legal as the P-90 since the P-90 is a full auto. But the PS-90 is the same gun in a Semi Auto. But you can't remove most of the features on it because they are built into the frame. It uses a 5.7X28mm which is just below the 556 Nato Round. It's slightly larger, slight slower but still has enough punch to do the job. The problem this one has is, it contains a huge amount of ammo. It's mag is a 50 round mag. Luckily, this puppy (see the pun?) is so expensive that the mass shooters will overlook it.

PPM90M1 Not legal. Exceeds Max Ammo with it's 64 round mag, Designed for close quarters only. The smallest mag is 32 rounds and it still exceeds the 15 round max by a large margin. This thing is designed for house to house fighting, not for home defense. And it's only found in Russia in their Military and, of course, Video Games. Good luck in getting one. Oh, it's like anything else, if you really, really want one and have enough money you can get one. But remember, it's a full auto, limited export item from Russia.

So I found only two of your guns that could do the job of the AR if there are no local laws against having them. But you had better have really deep pockets. So, what is your point on this one again?

They’re not all 9mm, they come pretty much in any ammo chambered by a handgun. They aren’t more “cumbersome”, and are way more accurate and easier to handle than a handgun. You’ve must have never shot anything besides a handgun if you believe that. If your characterization of these was correct, then there wouldn’t be any ARs, just handguns that chamber rifle rounds, as silly as a thought that might be.

And exactly how much money do you have? Are you pockets that deep? The plinkers you brought up are very expensive and most do only come in only 9mm because of the size. You can't change physics. I am retired Military and you know, I bet you say that to EVERY vet that kicks your ass. You are the embodiment of stupid and we can't fix stupid.

LOL, pop you're a punk, nothing more. All you ever do is brag about your greatness.

 

[Ambivalent1]

I am retired Military. Yah, I never held a firearm. Yuppers, cupcake. I bet you say that to every Veteran that kicks your candy ass. And when you stand at 100 yds, a 9mm IS a Red Ryder BB gun in a firefight. Better bring at least an AR-15 or better or stay home or die. You watch way too many movies.

You lose, I'm a veteran - and if you really are, you're a disgrace.

A veteran who hates most americans...maybe you fought for the wrong team...

As a Vet I can tell you that you should just say thank you. You haven't earned the "right" to question another man's service. You just one more black man on the down low pretending to be a tough guy.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I am retired Military. Yah, I never held a firearm. Yuppers, cupcake. I bet you say that to every Veteran that kicks your candy ass. And when you stand at 100 yds, a 9mm IS a Red Ryder BB gun in a firefight. Better bring at least an AR-15 or better or stay home or die. You watch way too many movies.

You lose, I'm a veteran - and if you really are, you're a disgrace.

A veteran who hates most americans...maybe you fought for the wrong team...

Fuck off you twit. He's an American Vet and just because he called you out on your BS trolling which you are unable to back up you make up that traitor bit? Piss off you twat.

He didnt call me out. So that was your first error. Secondly, bwing a bet doesnt entitle him to anything but a paycheck and a thank you . And considering he hates most Americans, maybe he fought for the wrong team...?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

As a Vet I can tell you that you should just say thank you

I do. Thank you. Now stop and think why you did that for a country whose residents you despise.

 

[SandSquid]

I am retired Military. Yah, I never held a firearm. Yuppers, cupcake. I bet you say that to every Veteran that kicks your candy ass. And when you stand at 100 yds, a 9mm IS a Red Ryder BB gun in a firefight. Better bring at least an AR-15 or better or stay home or die. You watch way too many movies.

You lose, I'm a veteran - and if you really are, you're a disgrace.

A veteran who hates most americans...maybe you fought for the wrong team...

Fuck off you twit. He's an American Vet and just because he called you out on your BS trolling which you are unable to back up you make up that traitor bit? Piss off you twat.

He didnt call me out. So that was your first error. Secondly, bwing a bet doesnt entitle him to anything but a paycheck and a thank you . And considering he hates most Americans, maybe he fought for the wrong team...?

No. Fuck off is what I told you to do.

Sorry ****. You get to fuck off for saying that about our troops because you disagree.

 

[Ambivalent1]

I am retired Military. Yah, I never held a firearm. Yuppers, cupcake. I bet you say that to every Veteran that kicks your candy ass. And when you stand at 100 yds, a 9mm IS a Red Ryder BB gun in a firefight. Better bring at least an AR-15 or better or stay home or die. You watch way too many movies.

You lose, I'm a veteran - and if you really are, you're a disgrace.

A veteran who hates most americans...maybe you fought for the wrong team...

Fuck off you twit. He's an American Vet and just because he called you out on your BS trolling which you are unable to back up you make up that traitor bit? Piss off you twat.

He didnt call me out. So that was your first error. Secondly, bwing a bet doesnt entitle him to anything but a paycheck and a thank you . And considering he hates most Americans, maybe he fought for the wrong team...?

ANY "team" that opposes people like you is good team.

 

[Ambivalent1]

As a Vet I can tell you that you should just say thank you

I do. Thank you. Now stop and think why you did that for a country whose residents you despise.

I despise people like you, that makes the sacrifice more meaningful. You'd never understand that level of sacrifice.

 

[Timmy]

When we hear about "gun control" from the Left, there is seldom any logic involved. Mr. Nugent presents nine points here with which I agree, and I challenge you to counter any of them. Please format your posts with his quote followed by your rebuttal.

Ted Nugent on Guns and Logic:

1 - Eleven teens die each day because of texting while driving. Maybe it's time to raise the age of Smart phone ownership to 21.
2 - If gun control laws actually worked, Chicago would be Mayberry.
3 - The Second Amendment makes more women equal than the entire feminist movement.
4 - Legal gun owners have 300 million guns and probably a trillion rounds of ammo. Seriously, folks, if we were the problem, you'd know it.
5 - When JFK was killed, nobody blamed the rifle
6 - The NRA murders 0 people and receives $0 in government funds. Planned Parenthood kills 350,000 babies every year and receives $500,000,000 in tax dollars annually.
7 - I have no problem with vigorous background checks when it comes to firearms. While we're at it, let's do the same when it comes to immigration, Voter I.D and Candidates running for office. Also for welfare recipients.
8 - You don't need a smoke detector; that's what the fire department is for. Now...if you think that sounds stupid, you know how I feel when you say I don't need a gun.
9 - Folks keep talking about another Civil War. One side knows how to shoot and has a trillion bullets. The other side has crying closets and is confused about which bathroom to use. How do you think that's going to end?

Then logic says we should register all our guns since we also register to vote .

 

[Ambivalent1]

When we hear about "gun control" from the Left, there is seldom any logic involved. Mr. Nugent presents nine points here with which I agree, and I challenge you to counter any of them. Please format your posts with his quote followed by your rebuttal.

Ted Nugent on Guns and Logic:

1 - Eleven teens die each day because of texting while driving. Maybe it's time to raise the age of Smart phone ownership to 21.
2 - If gun control laws actually worked, Chicago would be Mayberry.
3 - The Second Amendment makes more women equal than the entire feminist movement.
4 - Legal gun owners have 300 million guns and probably a trillion rounds of ammo. Seriously, folks, if we were the problem, you'd know it.
5 - When JFK was killed, nobody blamed the rifle
6 - The NRA murders 0 people and receives $0 in government funds. Planned Parenthood kills 350,000 babies every year and receives $500,000,000 in tax dollars annually.
7 - I have no problem with vigorous background checks when it comes to firearms. While we're at it, let's do the same when it comes to immigration, Voter I.D and Candidates running for office. Also for welfare recipients.
8 - You don't need a smoke detector; that's what the fire department is for. Now...if you think that sounds stupid, you know how I feel when you say I don't need a gun.
9 - Folks keep talking about another Civil War. One side knows how to shoot and has a trillion bullets. The other side has crying closets and is confused about which bathroom to use. How do you think that's going to end?

Then logic says we should register all our guns since we also register to vote .

LOL, do you own a gun?

 

[progressive hunter]

When we hear about "gun control" from the Left, there is seldom any logic involved. Mr. Nugent presents nine points here with which I agree, and I challenge you to counter any of them. Please format your posts with his quote followed by your rebuttal.

Ted Nugent on Guns and Logic:

1 - Eleven teens die each day because of texting while driving. Maybe it's time to raise the age of Smart phone ownership to 21.
2 - If gun control laws actually worked, Chicago would be Mayberry.
3 - The Second Amendment makes more women equal than the entire feminist movement.
4 - Legal gun owners have 300 million guns and probably a trillion rounds of ammo. Seriously, folks, if we were the problem, you'd know it.
5 - When JFK was killed, nobody blamed the rifle
6 - The NRA murders 0 people and receives $0 in government funds. Planned Parenthood kills 350,000 babies every year and receives $500,000,000 in tax dollars annually.
7 - I have no problem with vigorous background checks when it comes to firearms. While we're at it, let's do the same when it comes to immigration, Voter I.D and Candidates running for office. Also for welfare recipients.
8 - You don't need a smoke detector; that's what the fire department is for. Now...if you think that sounds stupid, you know how I feel when you say I don't need a gun.
9 - Folks keep talking about another Civil War. One side knows how to shoot and has a trillion bullets. The other side has crying closets and is confused about which bathroom to use. How do you think that's going to end?

Then logic says we should register all our guns since we also register to vote .

logic says the opposite, since the ones holding that registration are the ones the 2nd was meant to protect us against