Gun control works in Britain? Gun Crime up....

[Dagosa]

Wrong.....the majority of people who answer dumb poll questions don't know the underlying issues involved with background checks or the reasons morons like you want them...

If those answering the polls knew the actual issues and why you guys want universal background checks, they wouldn't support them.

Typical. Bloviation with no evidence.

 

[Dagosa]

Do you support universal background checks even though they require you to register your guns with the government?

Ha ha
Every firearm I’ve ever bought new which is well into the dozens, was registered with FFL dealer. Every car, every dangerous explosive we’ve worked with in construction…..and the list goes on. All the permits we’ve used in contract work….you name it. Every transaction you’ve made with a charge card with a gun dealer or ANYWHERE else is in file. You’re laughable.

 

[2aguy]

Ha ha
Every firearm I’ve ever bought new which is well into the dozens, was registered with FFL dealer. Every car, every dangerous explosive we’ve worked with in construction…..and the list goes on. All the permits we’ve used in contract work….you name it. Every transaction you’ve made with a charge card with a gun dealer or ANYWHERE else is in file. You’re laughable.

The governments that committed mass murder and genocide did not register cars so they could ban. them......they registered guns so they could ban guns...then murdered 15 million people in Europe, 25 million in Russia, over 70 million in China........and the socialist hits list just goes on and on........

 

[Dagosa]

The governments that committed mass murder and genocide did not register cars so they could ban. them......they registered guns so they could ban guns...then murdered 15 million people in Europe, 25 million in Russia, over 70 million in China........and the socialist hits list just goes on and on........

You’re just a rambling snowflake. You’re now on ignore

 

[Blues Man]

Frankly, we don't. Unfortunately some posters on this board try to use the UK to demonstrate that gun control doesn't work. We disagree and feel obliged to comment accordingly

The thing is the murder rate in the UK is about the same as it was before all those draconian gun laws were passed.

So those gun laws didn't do anything to lower the murder rate.

The murder rates per 100000 in 1950

UK .8
US 4.6

The murder rate on 2010

UK 1.14

US 4.8

It seems to me that gun laws have little or nothing to do with murder rates.

 

[Blues Man]

Kind of a ridiculous retort when there is NO FEDERAL LAW requiring a seller to verify the age of the buyer in private sales. You’re hilarious. Show us the federal regulation that REQUIRES A PRIVATE SELLER OF A FIREARM to verify the age of a buyer. SHOW US .

I can read. You seem to struggle. My post refers to all prior regulations……the private seller is inlet required to abide by them if he “knows” they is a violation, but no where, is he required to ask of seek proof dufus.

Thats where mandatory BGCs come in non reader.

Wrong again

Federal Firearms Laws

www.justice.gov

VII. SELL, DELIVER OR TRANSFER FIREARM OR AMMUNITION TO A JUVENILE:​

A. 18 USC § 922(x)(1). Punishable by up to 1 year imprisonment unless transferor had reason to believe juvenile would commit crime ofviolence with gun or ammunition, then up to 10 years imprisonment. May not sell, deliver or transfer a handgun or handgun-onlyammunition to a person who is under age 18;

 

[Vagabond63]

You can disagree all you want....facts are facts and they are stubborn.....

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK

Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.
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Powerful automatic guns are being smuggled into Britain for use by organised crime gangs.

The National Crime Agency and police seized weapons in raids on the homes of previously untouchable “Mr Big”s after receiving intelligence from European detectives who broke an encrypted phone network used by drug dealers and gun traffickers.

Gangs bring rapid‑fire guns to Britain’s streets
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Matt Perfect, the crime agency’s firearms threat lead, said that new Skorpion and G9A automatic pistols, which fire at a speed comparable to an AK47 assault rifle, were found.



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Scotland Yard today said police are seizing more deadly automatic weapons from criminals in London as detectives revealed that an innocent bystander was gunned down with a suspected Skorpion sub-machine gun last month .

Rise in sub-machine guns on London streets

Oh please. A three year old article quoting someone who wanted more resources for his department that you keep copy/pasting. The answer is not to make guns freely available, because that would make criminal's lives easier when they want to get guns, as demonstrated by the thefts from vehicles in America.

 

[Vagabond63]

The thing is the murder rate in the UK is about the same as it was before all those draconian gun laws were passed.

So those gun laws didn't do anything to lower the murder rate.

The murder rates per 100000 in 1950

UK .8
US 4.6

The murder rate on 2010

UK 1.14

US 4.8

It seems to me that gun laws have little or nothing to do with murder rates.

Murder rates? Not GUN murder rates? Interesting.

 

[Blues Man]

Oh please. A three year old article quoting someone who wanted more resources for his department that you keep copy/pasting. The answer is not to make guns freely available, because that would make criminal's lives easier when they want to get guns, as demonstrated by the thefts from vehicles in America.

Once again we have a laundry list of people who are legally prohibited from owning or possessing firearms.

The powers that be choose not to enforce these laws.

 

[Blues Man]

Murder rates? Not GUN murder rates? Interesting.

WHat does it matter?

You people say that guns cause murder but they obviously don't because there are far more guns in circulation now than there were in 1950 but the murder rate is the same as it was in 1950

 

[Dagosa]

Wrong again

Federal Firearms Laws

www.justice.gov

VII. SELL, DELIVER OR TRANSFER FIREARM OR AMMUNITION TO A JUVENILE:​

A. 18 USC § 922(x)(1). Punishable by up to 1 year imprisonment unless transferor had reason to believe juvenile would commit crime ofviolence with gun or ammunition, then up to 10 years imprisonment. May not sell, deliver or transfer a handgun or handgun-onlyammunition to a person who is under age 18;

I see your self serving and ignorant selective post does not include the statement that qualifies all these above regulations. Why is that ? Are you too self absorbed or can’t read ? The dishonesty is obvious. The right has supported the unregulated transfer of firearms in private transactions for decades. What, do you think everyone is as stupid as your post ? . Or, are just the gunaholic who are ?

Maybe it’s just the years of getting away with playing ignorance in the gunaholic transfer of guns to kids and criminals that has been ingrained. Too dishonest to publish the entire set of Fed firearms regulations ? You’re too afraid to post all of the qualifying remarks of the regs ?

“A. Knowing possession or receipt of a firearm or ammunition;”

and…..

II. KNOWINGLY SELL, GIVE OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF ANY FIREARM OR AMMUNITION TO ANY PERSON WHO FALLS WITHIN ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:​

 

[Blues Man]

're the one who said 13 year old kids can buy a gun I see your self serving and ignorant selective post does not include the statement that qualifies all these above regulations. Why is that ? Are you too self absorbed or can’t read ? The dishonesty is obvious. The right has supported the unregulated transfer of firearms in private transactions for decades. What, do you think everyone is as stupid as your post ? . Or, are just the gunaholic who are ?

Maybe it’s just the years of getting away with playing ignorance in the gunaholic transfer of guns to kids and criminals that has been ingrained. Too dishonest to publish the entire set of Fed firearms regulations ? You’re too afraid to post all of the qualifying remarks of the regs ?

“A. Knowing possession or receipt of a firearm or ammunition;”

and…..

II. KNOWINGLY SELL, GIVE OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF ANY FIREARM OR AMMUNITION TO ANY PERSON WHO FALLS WITHIN ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:​

Wow the stupid is strong with you.

Did you read past that line where it actually states that delivering a gun to a juvenile is punishable by a year in jail?

You are the one who was trying to tell me any 13 year old kid can buy a gun.

 

[Dagosa]

Wow the stupid is strong with you.

Did you read past that line where it actually states that delivering a gun to a juvenile is punishable by a year in jail?

You are the one who was trying to tell me any 13 year old kid can buy a gun.

Typical non response when you know you’ve been had. Any thirteen year old can obtain a firearm on the private market, even if it has to go through an 18 year old with gifting Involved. Sound familiar. It should. It’s just as illegal for a 17 year old as it is for a 13 year old to buy a firearm. You’re so shallow in thinking anyone is gullible enough to fall for your lines that start with insults…..grifter strategy.

 

[Blues Man]

Typical non response when you know you’ve been had. Any thirteen year old can obtain a firearm on the private market, even if it has to go through an 18 year old with gifting Involved. Sound familiar. It should. It’s just as illegal for a 17 year old as it is for a 13 year old to buy a firearm. You’re so shallow in thinking anyone is gullible enough to fall for your lines that start with insults…..grifter strategy.

No they can't since the federal gun laws clearly state as I have pointed out to you several times that transferring a firearm to a juvenile is punishable by 1 and possibly up to 10 years in prison.

 

[Dagosa]

Did you read past that line where it actually states that delivering a gun to a juvenile is punishable by a year in jail?

Are you that ignorantb not to read the paragraph that follows which clearly states these categories apply only if you do it “ knowingly”. What a joke your comments are. Geesus, states already pass the UBC laws to address this loophole. Give us a break. Now you’re pretending everyone who gets it is as ignorant as you’re pretending to be.

 

[Dagosa]

No they can't since the federal gun laws clearly state as I have pointed out to you several times that transferring a firearm to a juvenile is punishable by 1 and possibly up to 10 years in prison.

Only if they do it “ knowingly” as the regs DO NOT APPLY TO ANYONE WHO DOESNT ASK FOR PROOF OF ELIGIBILITY.
So why pretend you’re that ignorant. You’re pretending this paragraph isn’t even in the federal regs …
dah.

II. KNOWINGLY SELL, GIVE OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF ANY FIREARM OR AMMUNITION TO ANY PERSON WHO FALLS WITHIN ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:​

 

[Blues Man]

Are you that ignorantb not to read the paragraph that follows which clearly states these categories apply only if you do it “ knowingly”. What a joke your comments are. Geesus, states already pass the UBC laws to address this loophole. Give us a break. Now you’re pretending everyone who gets it is as ignorant as you’re pretending to be.

You obviously haven't read past that line.

If you did you would notice that the prohibitions against transferring guns to minors comes well AFTER that line you can't seem to bring yourself to read past. Tghe list of prohibited people above that line does not include juveniles.


It doesn't say anywhere that one must not knowingly transfer a firearm to a juvenile it clearly states as I have quoted many times so why don;t you read down the page all the way to paragraph VII and then get back to me.

 

[Blues Man]

Only if they do it “ knowingly” as the regs DO NOT APPLY TO ANYONE WHO DOESNT ASK FOR PROOF OF ELIGIBILITY.
So why pretend you’re that ignorant. You’re pretending this paragraph isn’t even in the federal regs …
dah.

II. KNOWINGLY SELL, GIVE OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF ANY FIREARM OR AMMUNITION TO ANY PERSON WHO FALLS WITHIN ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:​

I quoted PARAGRAPH VII

you might want to read it

 

[Dagosa]

I quoted PARAGRAPH VII

you might want to read it

Why did you not include this paragraph ? Cat got your tongue ?

 

[2aguy]

Why did you not include this paragraph ? Cat got your tongue ?

Why are you lying? Just admit you want universal background checks so you can demand gun registration......