Gun control works in Britain? Gun Crime up....

Captain Caveman said:
You're only correcting the voices in your head. You didn't even know your National Anthem is based on a British song, did you!!
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And I never really thought our national anthem was much of a song. Personally I think it should be America the Beautiful.
 
Dagosa said:
Another ignorant generalization. Show one instance where the party leaders of democrats including Biden all got together as a national policy and want to defund the police. The GOP can’t even hold their own members accountable for their illegal and disgraceful actions. The GOP as a policy refuses to even hold corporations responsible for hiring illegals which is the biggest driving force for illegal immigration. Geesus, your own fking President was an admitted fraud and hire of illegals. Don’t talk about liberals and criminality. Your party is awash with it.
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Wow.....you are stupid.......the states and local dems supported that movement....some even donating to the groups pushing it, you doofus.

The left is attacking the police...not the GOP.....the left is releasing violent repeat gun offenders over and over again, not the GOP...you dumb ass...

This is the democrat party....not the GOP...and that list is just scratching the surface...

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#62: Convicted felon, on bail for gun case, tried to kill 2 Chicago cops on Christmas Eve, prosecutors say

Nokomis Jefferson was on bond for being a felon in possession of a firearm when he allegedly shot at and tried to kill two Chicago police officers on Christmas Eve.
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Dagosa said:
In any state or municipality that doesn’t require universal background checks. It’s all legal to NOT ask anyone their age or even require an ID in private sales. YOU can sell a gun to a felon or teen simply by not asking for an ID and claiming you were stupid. Leave it to republicans to reward stupidity and gifting to get away with aiding murder and suicides with teens and felons.
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And when the police catch the felon with the gun? They can already be arrested.....don't need to change any law there....

Then, after they are arrested, a democrat prosecutor will drop the gun charge, and a democrat judge will release the felon without bail...

Normal people selling a private gun, likely to clear out their collection or to buy a new gun, are not our problem....

The democrat party constantly releasing the worst violent gun offenders is our problem...

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cwbchicago.com

#62: Convicted felon, on bail for gun case, tried to kill 2 Chicago cops on Christmas Eve, prosecutors say

Nokomis Jefferson was on bond for being a felon in possession of a firearm when he allegedly shot at and tried to kill two Chicago police officers on Christmas Eve.
cwbchicago.com cwbchicago.com
 
Tommy Tainant said:
What do you guys do to become world leaders in this field ?
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/---/ We breed criminals in our democRAT controlled inner cities.
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2aguy said:
And when the police catch the felon with the gun? They can already be arrested.....don't need to change any law there....

Then, after they are arrested, a democrat prosecutor will drop the gun charge, and a democrat judge will release the felon without bail...

Normal people selling a private gun, likely to clear out their collection or to buy a new gun, are not our problem....

The democrat party constantly releasing the worst violent gun offenders is our problem...

Related 2021 stories​


cwbchicago.com

#62: Convicted felon, on bail for gun case, tried to kill 2 Chicago cops on Christmas Eve, prosecutors say

Nokomis Jefferson was on bond for being a felon in possession of a firearm when he allegedly shot at and tried to kill two Chicago police officers on Christmas Eve.
cwbchicago.com cwbchicago.com
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You aske a question, I answered it and you went off on another tangent. Obviously,you’re at a loss for words. I’m not reading your post. It has noth8ng to do with supplying firearms to teens which you support.
 
Blues Man said:
www.findlaw.com

Private Gun Sale Laws by State - FindLaw

While the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right of private citizens to keep and bear arms, there are some limits and regulations on how they are sold and who may possess them. Federally licensed firearms dealers are required by federal law to conduct background checks on...
www.findlaw.com www.findlaw.com

Almost all states specifically prohibit sales to minors
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No they don’t. Only in federally licensed gun sales is proof of purchase by age checked and verified and in states that require universal background checks . That’s a stupid remark.
 
Captain Caveman said:
One city in the USA on one day beats the whole of the UK in one year. Did you not get that? You thick retard. You are so slow, stationary objects are flying past you.
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Another silly statement with no context. Have no idea what your point is. Maybe if you posted without an accent it would help.
 
2aguy said:
The democrat party war on police has affected police forces around the country.....their reach is long......besides that, in many cities, the judges, prosecutors are democrats, who refuse at times to even charge criminals they actually catch on video...
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No one is against the police more then the gop which promotes arming crimInals. Geesus, you have to be engaged in criminal behavior just to get into a position of power with both the Trump led Gop and the NRA
 
2aguy said:

How do gun crime stats go up....when they have gun control?​

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Statistics​

Gun crime has increased by 4% in one year with more than 9,700 crimes involving firearms taking place in the UK. In the year ending March 2019 a total of 9,787 crimes involving guns took place. [Source – Office of National Statistics]
In the 5 years to March 2019, offences involving a firearm have also increased by 27%. [Source – Office of National Statistics]

www.politics.co.uk

UK Gun Laws - How Strict is Gun Control in the UK?

An overview of the levels of gun crime in the UK, and how the country has some of the toughest gun laws in the world.
www.politics.co.uk www.politics.co.uk
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Britain has a long way to go until they're up to our standards.
 
Otis Mayfield said:
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Britain has a long way to go until they're up to our standards.
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You forgot to factor in the 15 million murdered by the German socialists between 1939 and 1945. across the entire continent of Europe into Russia...if you do that, you find that they murdered more people in those 6 years, than all gun murders committed by American criminals with guns for the last 87 years.....

At around 10,000 gun murders a year...where 70-80% of the victims are criminals engaged in crime, not innocent men, women and children.......you get 870,000 people over that 87 year period...

Divide 15,000,000 by that 87 years and you get 172,413 people a year.............

172,413 is more than the 10,258 murdered by guns in the U.S. in 2019....and every other year.....


You guys just prefer that innocents are murdered by government, rather than criminals murdering other criminals...that is an odd way to desire these things...but that's on you...

Meanwhile......to point out that guns don't cause gun crime....

Over the last 27 years, up to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

1) the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders...they have created a revolving door for criminals who use guns, and will release even the most serious gun offenders over and over again....why? Probably because they realise that normal people don't use their guns for crime, so if they want to push gun control, they need criminals to shoot people.....so they keep releasing them....

2) The democrat party keeps attacking the police.....driving the officers into not doing pro-active policing, cutting detective forces so that murders go unsolved..........

NAZI GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER



German socialists

By genocide, the murder of hostages, reprisal raids, forced labor, "euthanasia," starvation, exposure, medical experiments, and terror bombing, and in the concentration and death camps, the Nazis murdered from 15,003,000 to 31,595,000 people, most likely 20,946,000 men, women, handicapped, aged, sick, prisoners of war, forced laborers, camp inmates, critics, homosexuals, Jews, Slavs, Serbs, Germans, Czechs, Italians, Poles, French, Ukrainians, and many others. Among them 1,000,000 were children under eighteen years of age.1

And none of these monstrous figures even include civilian and military combat or war-deaths

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Dagosa said:
No they don’t. Only in federally licensed gun sales is proof of purchase by age checked and verified and in states that require universal background checks . That’s a stupid remark.
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Yes they do

From the link which you didn;t bother to read

AK Concealable firearms may not be tranferred to anyone prohibited under state law; minors may not purchase firearms (including rifles and other long guns).
AR No one may transfer a firearm to a minor without the consent of a parent or legal guardian;
CO Seller is required to arrange for a licensed gun dealer to obtain a background check on the prospective buyer
CT May not transfer firearms or ammunition to someone who has been convicted of a serious juvenile offense, is a minor, or is prohibited under state law from owning guns.
DE Any unlicensed seller of firearms must conduct a background check on the prospective buyer through a licensed firearms dealer.
DC Seller is required to arrange for a licensed gun dealer to obtain a background check on the prospective buyer through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).


and that's just a few that either require a BG check or expressly prohibit transfers of any firearm to a minor.


So those are state laws but federal gun laws also prohibit sale of any firearm to a person under the age of 18

www.justice.gov

Federal Firearms Laws

www.justice.gov www.justice.gov

VII. SELL, DELIVER OR TRANSFER FIREARM OR AMMUNITION TO A JUVENILE:​

A. 18 USC § 922(x)(1). Punishable by up to 1 year imprisonment unless transferor had reason to believe juvenile would commit crime of violence with gun or ammunition, then up to 10 years imprisonment. May not sell, deliver or transfer a handgun or handgun-only ammunition to a person who is under age 18;

B. 18 USC § 922(x)(2). A person under age 18 may not possess a handgun or handgun-only ammunition; (NOTE: Certain exceptions apply to A & B, such as where juvenile possesses written permission of a parent.);

C. 18 USC § 922(b). Punishable by up to 5 years imprisonment. A firearms licensee may not sell any gun or ammunition to anyone under the age of 18 and may not sell a handgun or handgun ammunition to a person under the age of 21.
 
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Blues Man said:
that's just a few that either require a BG check or expressly prohibit transfers of any firearm to a minor.
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Ha ha
That says it all.
The prohibition is ONLY on the buyer, not the seller for unknowingly selling for private sales. Foolish claim.
States and municipalities either require universal background checks or they don’t For private sales.
THE SELLER IN PRIVATE SALES ONLY HAS TO BE IGNORANT of the buyer to legally make the sale. He’s not prohibited from being stupid.

Private sales without UBCs do nothing to prohibit gun a holics from selling or even gifting firearms privately to any breathing humanoid. There is no prohibition on ignorance.

You’re professed ignorance is amazing.
But gun a holics have been practicing it for years while helping to arm felons with weapons
 
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Dagosa said:
Ha ha
That says it all.
The prohibition is ONLY on the buyer, not the seller for private sales. Foolish claim.
States and municipalities either require universal background checks or they don’t For private sales.
THE SELLER IN PRIVATE SALES ONLY HAS TO BE IGNORANT of the buyer to legally make the sale. He’s not prohibited from being stupid.

Private sales without UBCs do nothing to prohibit gun a holics from selling or even gifting firearms privately to any breathing humanoid. There is no prohibition on ignorance.
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Wrong.

FEDERAL GUN LAWS PROHIBIT TRANSFERS TO MINORS AND IS PUNISHABLE BY UP TO A YEAR IN JAIL OR 10 YEARS IN JAIL UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUNSTANCES.

AND ALMOST ALL STATES EXPRESSLY PROHIBIT TRANSFERS TO MINORS
 
Dagosa said:
Ha ha
That says it all.
The prohibition is ONLY on the buyer, not the seller for unknowingly selling for private sales. Foolish claim.
States and municipalities either require universal background checks or they don’t For private sales.
THE SELLER IN PRIVATE SALES ONLY HAS TO BE IGNORANT of the buyer to legally make the sale. He’s not prohibited from being stupid.

Private sales without UBCs do nothing to prohibit gun a holics from selling or even gifting firearms privately to any breathing humanoid. There is no prohibition on ignorance.

You’re professed ignorance is amazing.
But gun a holics have been practicing it for years while helping to arm felons with weapons
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Moron.....the only reason assholes like you want background checks on private sales is to next demand gun registration.....


We have all the laws we need to arrest felons with guns......that isn't problem. Our problem is the democrat party and losers like you releasing the felons with guns that we catch...the ones doing almost all of the shooting...

So sell your background checks to biden voters....the only ones too stupid to know what you are really after.
 
2aguy said:

How do gun crime stats go up....when they have gun control?​

​

​

Statistics​

Gun crime has increased by 4% in one year with more than 9,700 crimes involving firearms taking place in the UK. In the year ending March 2019 a total of 9,787 crimes involving guns took place. [Source – Office of National Statistics]
In the 5 years to March 2019, offences involving a firearm have also increased by 27%. [Source – Office of National Statistics]

www.politics.co.uk

UK Gun Laws - How Strict is Gun Control in the UK?

An overview of the levels of gun crime in the UK, and how the country has some of the toughest gun laws in the world.
www.politics.co.uk www.politics.co.uk
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The thread premise is a lie and fails as a confirmation bias fallacy.

No one has presented firearm regulatory measures as a ‘panacea’ for all gun crime and violence.
 
2aguy said:
Moron.....the only reason assholes like you want background checks on private sales is to next demand gun registration.....


We have all the laws we need to arrest felons with guns......that isn't problem. Our problem is the democrat party and losers like you releasing the felons with guns that we catch...the ones doing almost all of the shooting...

So sell your background checks to biden voters....the only ones too stupid to know what you are really after.
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We want to keep assholes like you from arming teenagers with firearms to commit suicides.

This is a quote from the federal provisions On private sales or fiream transfers.
This paragraph exempts from being prohibited, anyone who doesn’t know or ask or require proof of eligibility. So anyone is exempt from these provisions if he DOES NOT ask for proof of eligibility.
That means anyone can easily avoid being a prohibited seller.

“II. KNOWINGLY SELL, GIVE OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF ANY FIREARM OR AMMUNITION TO ANY PERSON WHO FALLS WITHIN ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:
 
2aguy said:
You forgot to factor in the 15 million murdered by the German socialists between 1939 and 1945. across the entire continent of Europe into Russia...if you do that, you find that they murdered more people in those 6 years, than all gun murders committed by American criminals with guns for the last 87 years.....

At around 10,000 gun murders a year...where 70-80% of the victims are criminals engaged in crime, not innocent men, women and children.......you get 870,000 people over that 87 year period...

Divide 15,000,000 by that 87 years and you get 172,413 people a year.............

172,413 is more than the 10,258 murdered by guns in the U.S. in 2019....and every other year.....


You guys just prefer that innocents are murdered by government, rather than criminals murdering other criminals...that is an odd way to desire these things...but that's on you...

Meanwhile......to point out that guns don't cause gun crime....

Over the last 27 years, up to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

1) the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders...they have created a revolving door for criminals who use guns, and will release even the most serious gun offenders over and over again....why? Probably because they realise that normal people don't use their guns for crime, so if they want to push gun control, they need criminals to shoot people.....so they keep releasing them....

2) The democrat party keeps attacking the police.....driving the officers into not doing pro-active policing, cutting detective forces so that murders go unsolved..........

NAZI GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER



German socialists

By genocide, the murder of hostages, reprisal raids, forced labor, "euthanasia," starvation, exposure, medical experiments, and terror bombing, and in the concentration and death camps, the Nazis murdered from 15,003,000 to 31,595,000 people, most likely 20,946,000 men, women, handicapped, aged, sick, prisoners of war, forced laborers, camp inmates, critics, homosexuals, Jews, Slavs, Serbs, Germans, Czechs, Italians, Poles, French, Ukrainians, and many others. Among them 1,000,000 were children under eighteen years of age.1

And none of these monstrous figures even include civilian and military combat or war-deaths

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So you’re looking for an 90 year old reason to supply criminals with guns now. Interesting. Hitler / Trump got you munchkins By the gonads ?
 
Blues Man said:
Wrong.

FEDERAL GUN LAWS PROHIBIT TRANSFERS TO MINORS AND IS PUNISHABLE BY UP TO A YEAR IN JAIL OR 10 YEARS IN JAIL UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUNSTANCES.

AND ALMOST ALL STATES EXPRESSLY PROHIBIT TRANSFERS TO MINORS
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No it doesn’t. You are exempt from the provision by remaining stupid and ignorant of the buy eligibility. That should be easy for gun a. Holics.
Quote from Fed regs.
“II. KNOWINGLY SELL, GIVE OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF ANY FIREARM OR AMMUNITION TO ANY PERSON WHO FALLS WITHIN ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:”
 
2aguy said:
You forgot to factor in the 15 million murdered by the German socialists between 1939 and 1945. across the entire continent of Europe into Russia...if you do that, you find that they murdered more people in those 6 years, than all gun murders committed by American criminals with guns for the last 87 years.....

At around 10,000 gun murders a year...where 70-80% of the victims are criminals engaged in crime, not innocent men, women and children.......you get 870,000 people over that 87 year period...

Divide 15,000,000 by that 87 years and you get 172,413 people a year.............

172,413 is more than the 10,258 murdered by guns in the U.S. in 2019....and every other year.....


You guys just prefer that innocents are murdered by government, rather than criminals murdering other criminals...that is an odd way to desire these things...but that's on you...

Meanwhile......to point out that guns don't cause gun crime....

Over the last 27 years, up to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

1) the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders...they have created a revolving door for criminals who use guns, and will release even the most serious gun offenders over and over again....why? Probably because they realise that normal people don't use their guns for crime, so if they want to push gun control, they need criminals to shoot people.....so they keep releasing them....

2) The democrat party keeps attacking the police.....driving the officers into not doing pro-active policing, cutting detective forces so that murders go unsolved..........

NAZI GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER



German socialists

By genocide, the murder of hostages, reprisal raids, forced labor, "euthanasia," starvation, exposure, medical experiments, and terror bombing, and in the concentration and death camps, the Nazis murdered from 15,003,000 to 31,595,000 people, most likely 20,946,000 men, women, handicapped, aged, sick, prisoners of war, forced laborers, camp inmates, critics, homosexuals, Jews, Slavs, Serbs, Germans, Czechs, Italians, Poles, French, Ukrainians, and many others. Among them 1,000,000 were children under eighteen years of age.1

And none of these monstrous figures even include civilian and military combat or war-deaths

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. What a card. Hitler was a fascist dictator
…”an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government”
 
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