Gun Debate Illustrates Two Different Americas

[protectionist]

I told you I'm on a phone with no post numbers.

Then you're not really in the forum. Get in the forum, then post.

 

[francoHFW]

On USMB, I've heard gun owners referred to as "gun nuts", "gun freaks", etc. They're sometimes referred to as "the gun culture".

It's been drilled into them from childhood first by the government run public schools then by their leftist indoctrinated professors and the media. In the big city, they are able to surround you with the anti-gun message that you hear nothing else so that you never hear the other side. They've been trained by the socialists that want total control of our lives that to merely defend the Constitution makes you a crazy wacko and to merely be a constitutional moderate makes you a far right neocon loon. And like automatons, these useful idiots march and petition and harangue the rest of the world that we are crazy if we do not fall into line and surrender our liberty as they blindingly do.

People always used to have rifles and shotguns for hunting. You people are nuts these days. End the drug war

 

[protectionist]

This most recent one was also reported to the FBI as being crazy... Shouldn't have an AR-15 that's a loophole

What's wrong with having an AR-15 ?

 

[francoHFW]

On USMB, I've heard gun owners referred to as "gun nuts", "gun freaks", etc. They're sometimes referred to as "the gun culture".

It's been drilled into them from childhood first by the government run public schools then by their leftist indoctrinated professors and the media. In the big city, they are able to surround you with the anti-gun message that you hear nothing else so that you never hear the other side. They've been trained by the socialists that want total control of our lives that to merely defend the Constitution makes you a crazy wacko and to merely be a constitutional moderate makes you a far right neocon loon. And like automatons, these useful idiots march and petition and harangue the rest of the world that we are crazy if we do not fall into line and surrender our liberty as they blindingly do.

What is so crazy about background checks and no automatic weapons?

 

[OKTexas]

I think that part of the problem is that the gun lobby is refusing to support even modest, reasonable restrictions on guns, i.e., universal background checks and raising the age for rifles to 21.

Name one mass shooter that would have been stopped by your unenforceable universal background checks. JUST ONE.


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Several of them if it's enforced. If not all of them with mental check system too

Your talking about the current system, name one that got their weapon in a private sale. No hurry, I'll wait.


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They should take guns away from dangerously insane like the guy in Las Vegas. For the kid in Connecticut for that matter...

Deflection, is that all you got, answer the damn question. BTW, the kid in Connecticut killed his mother to take the weapons.


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[OKTexas]

I think that part of the problem is that the gun lobby is refusing to support even modest, reasonable restrictions on guns, i.e., universal background checks and raising the age for rifles to 21.

Name one mass shooter that would have been stopped by your unenforceable universal background checks. JUST ONE.


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Several of them if it's enforced. If not all of them with mental check system too

Your talking about the current system, name one that got their weapon in a private sale. No hurry, I'll wait.


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How They Got Their Guns

So the answer is ZERO, seems like your unenforceable universal background checks are a solution in search of a problem. Typical regressive policy.


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[francoHFW]

This most recent one was also reported to the FBI as being crazy... Shouldn't have an AR-15 that's a loophole

What's wrong with having an AR-15 ?

nothing in Crazy Town. In fact, they just love them for killing those high school students and gay bars and concerts...

 

[OKTexas]

I think that part of the problem is that the gun lobby is refusing to support even modest, reasonable restrictions on guns, i.e., universal background checks and raising the age for rifles to 21.

Name one mass shooter that would have been stopped by your unenforceable universal background checks. JUST ONE.


.

Several of them if it's enforced. If not all of them with mental check system too

Your talking about the current system, name one that got their weapon in a private sale. No hurry, I'll wait.


.

They should take guns away from dangerously insane like the guy in Las Vegas. For the kid in Connecticut for that matter...

This most recent one was also reported to the FBI as being crazy... Shouldn't have an AR-15 that's a loophole

No, that's a law enforcement failure.


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[francoHFW]

I think that part of the problem is that the gun lobby is refusing to support even modest, reasonable restrictions on guns, i.e., universal background checks and raising the age for rifles to 21.

Name one mass shooter that would have been stopped by your unenforceable universal background checks. JUST ONE.


.

Several of them if it's enforced. If not all of them with mental check system too

Your talking about the current system, name one that got their weapon in a private sale. No hurry, I'll wait.


.

How They Got Their Guns

So the answer is ZERO, seems like your unenforceable universal background checks are a solution in search of a problem. Typical regressive policy.


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There were others where the the system failed when the Navy didn't follow through. Try reading something, dupe. Good night!

 

[protectionist]

What is so crazy about background checks and no automatic weapons?

Both those questions have been answered repeatedly in the thread. Are you reading it ?

 

[francoHFW]

Name one mass shooter that would have been stopped by your unenforceable universal background checks. JUST ONE.


.

Several of them if it's enforced. If not all of them with mental check system too

Your talking about the current system, name one that got their weapon in a private sale. No hurry, I'll wait.


.

How They Got Their Guns

So the answer is ZERO, seems like your unenforceable universal background checks are a solution in search of a problem. Typical regressive policy.


.

There were others where the the system failed when the Navy didn't follow through. Try reading something, dupe. Good night!

The whole goddamn background check system is a mess. Jesus Christ! Great job bought off GOP and silly dupes of the NRA

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Back when I was a first year college student, I was taught the definition of a nation. Among other things, that definition showed a nation as being a single culture. But in America today, with respect to the subject of guns, we have 2 separate cultures. Those who like (and appreciate) them, and those who despise and fear them.

On USMB, I've heard gun owners referred to as "gun nuts", "gun freaks", etc. They're sometimes referred to as "the gun culture". Well, just as easily, those who dislike/fear guns, could be called the Anti-gun culture.

Perhaps this dichotomy has a relation to how Americans begin adulthood. Millions of high school kids go straight to college, never spending a minute in the military, or anywhere getting introduced to firearms. Most have never even touched a real gun, much less receive training on it. Making things worse, is that college teachers, who also never touched a gun, and whose left-wing political bearings, make them automatic gun opponents.

Millions of other kids bypass college entirely, and go straight into the military, after high school. Unlike the college kids, these young soldiers, sailors, marines, etc. aren't exposed to the leftist propaganda so prolific on college campuses, but they do have lots of introductions to firearms, thereby becoming familiar with and knowledgable of them. So, for the major pars of their adult lives (after college or the military), America is divided generally, into these 2 very differing groups.

Having spent 6 years in the US Army and Army National Guard, and then attending college for 4 years, I noticed a huge gap in gun perception in this 2 groups. I was often taken aback, sometimes humored, by the stiff and robotic way that my college cohorts perceived just the thought of guns. The college kids, with no direct exposure to guns, and lots of indoctrination against them, actually though that the only people to ordinarily possess a gun were police and criminals.

They really thought that if you weren't a cop or military person, you shouldn't have a gun, and had no idea why anyone else would. In contrast, my former Army National Guard buddies had whole collections guns, of various types, each suited for various purposes. They could take apart their M4A1s, M-14s, AR-15s, clean them, and put them back together blindfolded, in accordance with their military training.

How disconcerting it is to hear education system people worrying about things happening with guns in schools, when these fears emanate mostly from ignorance of guns, and how to handle and secure them. Equally perplexing and disturbing is their amazing lack of worry about the danger of guns not being there (in the schools), for the very necessary PROTECTION they provide.

Those who speak about the "gun culture" should do some self-examination, with regard to the anti-gun culture, and the hows and whys of its existence.

Subjective, anecdotal perceptions and experiences are devoid of merit – unconvincing and uncompelling.

Whether one went to college or into the military has no bearing whatsoever on his attitude toward guns.

Those who never shot a gun have no problem with gun ownership and oppose excessive gun regulations on principle; and there are those who were in the military and never touched a gun again once they left the service who support reasonable restrictions with regard to firearms.

All manner of persons across the political spectrum, of both major parties, and of all political persuasions own guns and enjoy the shooting sports.

And those who support reasonable firearm regulatory measures consistent with Second Amendment jurisprudence are not ‘anti-gun,’ ‘gun-grabbers,’ or ‘anti-Second Amendment’ because the measures they support are consistent with current Second Amendment jurisprudence.

The gun debate illustrates that we are indeed one America, citizens of one Nation expressing our viewpoints and opinions in a free and democratic society.

The thread premise seeks to only further divide the American people.

 

[OKTexas]

Name one mass shooter that would have been stopped by your unenforceable universal background checks. JUST ONE.


.

Several of them if it's enforced. If not all of them with mental check system too

Your talking about the current system, name one that got their weapon in a private sale. No hurry, I'll wait.


.

How They Got Their Guns

So the answer is ZERO, seems like your unenforceable universal background checks are a solution in search of a problem. Typical regressive policy.


.

There were others where the the system failed when the Navy didn't follow through. Try reading something, dupe. Good night!

And in your ignorance you think making a failed system more complicated is the answer. Good job. LMAO


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[protectionist]

nothing in Crazy Town. In fact, they just love them for killing those high school students and gay bars and concerts...

1. DODGE! Answer the question.

2. AR-15 didn't kill them. Their gun-free zone is what got them killed. Same policy supported by brainless liberals, and all those opposing arming the teachers.

 

[OKTexas]

Several of them if it's enforced. If not all of them with mental check system too

Your talking about the current system, name one that got their weapon in a private sale. No hurry, I'll wait.


.

How They Got Their Guns

So the answer is ZERO, seems like your unenforceable universal background checks are a solution in search of a problem. Typical regressive policy.


.

There were others where the the system failed when the Navy didn't follow through. Try reading something, dupe. Good night!

The whole goddamn background check system is a mess. Jesus Christ! Great job bought off GOP and silly dupes of the NRA

Yeah, they keept the regressive states form submitting data, give me a break.


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[protectionist]

Subjective, anecdotal perceptions and experiences are devoid of merit – unconvincing and uncompelling.

Whether one went to college or into the military has no bearing whatsoever on his attitude toward guns.

Those who never shot a gun have no problem with gun ownership and oppose excessive gun regulations on principle; and there are those who were in the military and never touched a gun again once they left the service who support reasonable restrictions with regard to firearms.

All manner of persons across the political spectrum, of both major parties, and of all political persuasions own guns and enjoy the shooting sports.

And those who support reasonable firearm regulatory measures consistent with Second Amendment jurisprudence are not ‘anti-gun,’ ‘gun-grabbers,’ or ‘anti-Second Amendment’ because the measures they support are consistent with current Second Amendment jurisprudence.

The gun debate illustrates that we are indeed one America, citizens of one Nation expressing our viewpoints and opinions in a free and democratic society.

The thread premise seeks to only further divide the American people.

You know nothing. College vs military experience has EVERYTHING to do with attitudes towards guns. Have you been in BOTH college and the military ? Do you have any idea what you're talking about ?

Saying that certain types of people exist with no quantities attached is dumb. The generalizations I presented, of course don't apply to ALL, but they do apply to most, and almost all.

It is FALSE and ridiculous to say in America we are one America regarding guns. Nothing could be further from the truth. The thread does not divide the American people. It merely hold up a mirror which SHOWS the division that exists, which you apparently are too weak to admit exists, or too ignorant to know that it does.

Pretending and creating false realities that suit them, are staples of liberal everyday life.​

 

[2aguy]

Back when I was a first year college student, I was taught the definition of a nation. Among other things, that definition showed a nation as being a single culture. But in America today, with respect to the subject of guns, we have 2 separate cultures. Those who like (and appreciate) them, and those who despise and fear them.

On USMB, I've heard gun owners referred to as "gun nuts", "gun freaks", etc. They're sometimes referred to as "the gun culture". Well, just as easily, those who dislike/fear guns, could be called the Anti-gun culture.

Perhaps this dichotomy has a relation to how Americans begin adulthood. Millions of high school kids go straight to college, never spending a minute in the military, or anywhere getting introduced to firearms. Most have never even touched a real gun, much less receive training on it. Making things worse, is that college teachers, who also never touched a gun, and whose left-wing political bearings, make them automatic gun opponents.

Millions of other kids bypass college entirely, and go straight into the military, after high school. Unlike the college kids, these young soldiers, sailors, marines, etc. aren't exposed to the leftist propaganda so prolific on college campuses, but they do have lots of introductions to firearms, thereby becoming familiar with and knowledgable of them. So, for the major pars of their adult lives (after college or the military), America is divided generally, into these 2 very differing groups.

Having spent 6 years in the US Army and Army National Guard, and then attending college for 4 years, I noticed a huge gap in gun perception in this 2 groups. I was often taken aback, sometimes humored, by the stiff and robotic way that my college cohorts perceived just the thought of guns. The college kids, with no direct exposure to guns, and lots of indoctrination against them, actually though that the only people to ordinarily possess a gun were police and criminals.

They really thought that if you weren't a cop or military person, you shouldn't have a gun, and had no idea why anyone else would. In contrast, my former Army National Guard buddies had whole collections guns, of various types, each suited for various purposes. They could take apart their M4A1s, M-14s, AR-15s, clean them, and put them back together blindfolded, in accordance with their military training.

How disconcerting it is to hear education system people worrying about things happening with guns in schools, when these fears emanate mostly from ignorance of guns, and how to handle and secure them. Equally perplexing and disturbing is their amazing lack of worry about the danger of guns not being there (in the schools), for the very necessary PROTECTION they provide.

Those who speak about the "gun culture" should do some self-examination, with regard to the anti-gun culture, and the hows and whys of its existence.

Once again you are talking out of your ass.

There are many gun owners, and people who appreciate guns- who also believe that there can and should be reasonable restrictions on guns or gun ownership

Should we allow machine guns? Bump stocks? .50 sniper rifles? Armor piercing ammo?

But no one wants to talk about anything in the middle- one is always claiming that the other sides once to take all of their guns, and the other side is always claiming that the first side doesn't care about gun violence.

The majority of Americans want both the right to own guns and also want reasonable restrictions on the purchase and ownership of firearms and their accessories.

That is what neither side wants to talk about.

No...the democrats have made it quite clear that they want to ban all semi automatic weapons...they chanted it at their CNN rally .........

 

[2aguy]

Back when I was a first year college student, I was taught the definition of a nation. Among other things, that definition showed a nation as being a single culture. But in America today, with respect to the subject of guns, we have 2 separate cultures. Those who like (and appreciate) them, and those who despise and fear them.

On USMB, I've heard gun owners referred to as "gun nuts", "gun freaks", etc. They're sometimes referred to as "the gun culture". Well, just as easily, those who dislike/fear guns, could be called the Anti-gun culture.

Perhaps this dichotomy has a relation to how Americans begin adulthood. Millions of high school kids go straight to college, never spending a minute in the military, or anywhere getting introduced to firearms. Most have never even touched a real gun, much less receive training on it. Making things worse, is that college teachers, who also never touched a gun, and whose left-wing political bearings, make them automatic gun opponents.

Millions of other kids bypass college entirely, and go straight into the military, after high school. Unlike the college kids, these young soldiers, sailors, marines, etc. aren't exposed to the leftist propaganda so prolific on college campuses, but they do have lots of introductions to firearms, thereby becoming familiar with and knowledgable of them. So, for the major pars of their adult lives (after college or the military), America is divided generally, into these 2 very differing groups.

Having spent 6 years in the US Army and Army National Guard, and then attending college for 4 years, I noticed a huge gap in gun perception in this 2 groups. I was often taken aback, sometimes humored, by the stiff and robotic way that my college cohorts perceived just the thought of guns. The college kids, with no direct exposure to guns, and lots of indoctrination against them, actually though that the only people to ordinarily possess a gun were police and criminals.

They really thought that if you weren't a cop or military person, you shouldn't have a gun, and had no idea why anyone else would. In contrast, my former Army National Guard buddies had whole collections guns, of various types, each suited for various purposes. They could take apart their M4A1s, M-14s, AR-15s, clean them, and put them back together blindfolded, in accordance with their military training.

How disconcerting it is to hear education system people worrying about things happening with guns in schools, when these fears emanate mostly from ignorance of guns, and how to handle and secure them. Equally perplexing and disturbing is their amazing lack of worry about the danger of guns not being there (in the schools), for the very necessary PROTECTION they provide.

Those who speak about the "gun culture" should do some self-examination, with regard to the anti-gun culture, and the hows and whys of its existence.

Once again you are talking out of your ass.

There are many gun owners, and people who appreciate guns- who also believe that there can and should be reasonable restrictions on guns or gun ownership

Should we allow machine guns? Bump stocks? .50 sniper rifles? Armor piercing ammo?

But no one wants to talk about anything in the middle- one is always claiming that the other sides once to take all of their guns, and the other side is always claiming that the first side doesn't care about gun violence.

The majority of Americans want both the right to own guns and also want reasonable restrictions on the purchase and ownership of firearms and their accessories.

That is what neither side wants to talk about.

That's not it at all.

What we on the right realize is what the left's entire goal is, and in this topic, it's to disarm Americans.

Oh sure, they will say they only want "this" or they only want "that" but anybody who knows the Democrat party realizes they want it tall, it's just that they use their successful tactic of incrementalism to accomplish their ultimate goal.

So we on the right refuse to give them that first step. Why? Because we all know Democrats are never to be trusted. If we give them the first step, it will only be a year or two later they want another step, then another, then another.

and there
Is the real problem, brainwashed right wing dupes of the Pander to the rich NRA GOP. Owned and operated by the greedy idiot rich.

You keep attacking the NRA...the NRA supports the FIX NICS act....the democrats oppose it.

The NRA trains local, state and federal law enforcement...the democrats constantly attack law enforcement and prevent them from arresting violent gun criminals.

You keep attacking the NRA...the NRA supports armed security and armed staff in the schools, the democrats oppose it.

The NRA teaches fun safety to millions of children...the democrats fight teaching gun safety to kids.

The NRA supports keeping violent gun offenders in prison, the democrats let violent gun offenders out of jail and pass laws letting them out early.

The NRA doesn't support the PROMISE PROGRAM, of obama, which allowed the shooter to get the gun...the democrats created and support the Promise program...which allowed the shooter to get his gun...

Since those are the facts, the truth and the reality.....

Of the two groups...the democrats are the ones supporting violent murder, not the NRA...

 

[2aguy]

Subjective, anecdotal perceptions and experiences are devoid of merit – unconvincing and uncompelling.

Whether one went to college or into the military has no bearing whatsoever on his attitude toward guns.

Those who never shot a gun have no problem with gun ownership and oppose excessive gun regulations on principle; and there are those who were in the military and never touched a gun again once they left the service who support reasonable restrictions with regard to firearms.

All manner of persons across the political spectrum, of both major parties, and of all political persuasions own guns and enjoy the shooting sports.

And those who support reasonable firearm regulatory measures consistent with Second Amendment jurisprudence are not ‘anti-gun,’ ‘gun-grabbers,’ or ‘anti-Second Amendment’ because the measures they support are consistent with current Second Amendment jurisprudence.

The gun debate illustrates that we are indeed one America, citizens of one Nation expressing our viewpoints and opinions in a free and democratic society.

The thread premise seeks to only further divide the American people.

You know nothing. College vs military experience has EVERYTHING to do with attitudes towards guns. Have you been in BOTH college and the military ? Do you have any idea what you're talking about ?

Saying that certain types of people exist with no quantities attached is dumb. The generalizations I presented, of course don't apply to ALL, but they do apply to most, and almost all.

It is FALSE and ridiculous to say in America we are one America regarding guns. Nothing could be further from the truth. The thread does not divide the American people. It merely hold up a mirror which SHOWS the division that exists, which you apparently are too weak to admit exists, or too ignorant to know that it does.

Pretending and creating false realities that suit them, are staples of liberal everyday life.​

Yes....both. What kind of a moron are you to think that people don't have both college and military experience....as if they aren't likely to have both....you are a moron.

 

[2aguy]

Several of them if it's enforced. If not all of them with mental check system too

Your talking about the current system, name one that got their weapon in a private sale. No hurry, I'll wait.


.

How They Got Their Guns

So the answer is ZERO, seems like your unenforceable universal background checks are a solution in search of a problem. Typical regressive policy.


.

There were others where the the system failed when the Navy didn't follow through. Try reading something, dupe. Good night!

The whole goddamn background check system is a mess. Jesus Christ! Great job bought off GOP and silly dupes of the NRA

You keep attacking the NRA...the NRA supports the FIX NICS act....the democrats oppose it.

The NRA trains local, state and federal law enforcement...the democrats constantly attack law enforcement and prevent them from arresting violent gun criminals.

You keep attacking the NRA...the NRA supports armed security and armed staff in the schools, the democrats oppose it.

The NRA teaches fun safety to millions of children...the democrats fight teaching gun safety to kids.

The NRA supports keeping violent gun offenders in prison, the democrats let violent gun offenders out of jail and pass laws letting them out early.

The NRA doesn't support the PROMISE PROGRAM, of obama, which allowed the shooter to get the gun...the democrats created and support the Promise program...which allowed the shooter to get his gun...

Since those are the facts, the truth and the reality.....

Of the two groups...the democrats are the ones supporting violent murder, not the NRA...