Gun owner stops violent beating....at store where anti gunners have tried to ban guns...

[JoeB131]

What gun store was it...they claimed the same thing in Wiconsin...even named the store, the store changed it's policy and made itself a seller to only me,bears of it's club...and it didn't lower gun crime.....

Besides.......L.A. And New Yoek can also get guns when they want them...... besides...Chicago had the strictest gun control in the state and that didn't stop criminals from getting guns did it.....?

It isn't guns...it is criminals?.arrest them and you stop gun crime...

Guy, we have over 2 million Americans in prison and another 7 million on probation or parole.

If guns and prisons made us safe, we'd have the lowest crime rate in the Industrialized world, not the highest.

Clearly, when someone can drive to Cicero or River FOrest to get a gun, a gun ban in Chicago becomes kind of meaningless.

I have a much better solution.

If a gun you sold is used in a crime, you are charged as an accessory.

Betcha the gun stores will get a lot more picky about who they sell guns to after that.

 

[JoeB131]

yeah...dig into that.....gangs.....and the research by these medical professionals is inaccurate because they don't look at who these kids are and how they were shot...it is all about blaming guns...not criminality....

Oh, I see. If they aren't white, it's okay if they get shot.

 

[AmericanFirst]

If you follow the battle for the right to keep and bear arms in a free society, you know that the Kroger's chain of stores has been under attack by rabid anti gunners...they want to force Kroger's to ban guns in the hands of private citizens on their property.......well.....a concealed carry permit holder stopped a violent beating in one of Kroger's parking lots.....

And no shots were fired...as is the result in 54% of gun self defense uses........

BREAKING Concealed Carry Holder Saves Elderly Man from Beating in Kroger Parking Lot - The Truth About Guns


The folks at Moms Demand Action believe that Kroger is somehow a magical space where nothing bad ever happens, and ridicules anyone who thinks that they should be allowed to carry a concealed handgun on the premises. Time and again their fantasy has been patently disproven, but this time there’s a twist. At a Kroger in Arkansas this past Wednesday, an elderly man was being savagely beaten by seven people. One man, armed with a concealed handgun, decided to step in and try to save that man’s life. This is the true story of how a concealed handgun at Kroger saved lives.


From Ozarks First:

The 24-year-old says when he was leaving the grocery store he saw something he couldn’t ignore. “I saw seven people against one guy and I did not like those odds.”

The out numbered man was elderly so Gene felt obligated to get involved. “Throw down, step to the side, draw, then up.”

With the gun drawn the attackers turned their attention. “They kept yelling this isn’t your fight, you need to walk away you need to put the gun down,” Gene says.

“While all this was happening shoppers pulled out a weapon of their own, their cell phones, so they can take pictures and call police.”

“Some lady behind yells there’s a man with a gun to 911.”

By the time police arrived the attackers and the victim took off.

Turns out they were all related, police say the man was an uncle being assaulted by his nephew.

We asked shoppers what they would have done.

“I would have done the same thing.”


And for you Brain....

Shopper Pulls Gun to Protect Man Being Assaulted - OzarksFirst.com

Where do you get the 54% stat?

Where do you get your brains? Cracker Jack comes to mind.

 

[AmericanFirst]

yeah...dig into that.....gangs.....and the research by these medical professionals is inaccurate because they don't look at who these kids are and how they were shot...it is all about blaming guns...not criminality....

Oh, I see. If they aren't white, it's okay if they get shot.

Yep, you are a racist.

 

[2aguy]

What gun store was it...they claimed the same thing in Wiconsin...even named the store, the store changed it's policy and made itself a seller to only me,bears of it's club...and it didn't lower gun crime.....

Besides.......L.A. And New Yoek can also get guns when they want them...... besides...Chicago had the strictest gun control in the state and that didn't stop criminals from getting guns did it.....?

It isn't guns...it is criminals?.arrest them and you stop gun crime...

Guy, we have over 2 million Americans in prison and another 7 million on probation or parole.

If guns and prisons made us safe, we'd have the lowest crime rate in the Industrialized world, not the highest.

Clearly, when someone can drive to Cicero or River FOrest to get a gun, a gun ban in Chicago becomes kind of meaningless.

I have a much better solution.

If a gun you sold is used in a crime, you are charged as an accessory.

Betcha the gun stores will get a lot more picky about who they sell guns to after that.

They use gun offenses as bargaining chips...we had 3 guys shoot up a park here in Chicago...2 of them had previous gun charges and were supposed to be in prison at the time of the shooting on a 3 year sentence...but even with prior criminal records, they got boot camps and were out in 18 months.....

so no...if we wanted to stop gun crime then we would actually lock up gun criminals...

 

[2aguy]

Um Joe, the guy with the gun didn't know they were related and it wouldn't matter anyway. So its ok to beat the fuck out of your relative because you know them and those gun totin' right wing lunatics better holster their gun and let you do it? I don't think so.

Well, that depends, doesn't it? We don't know what this guy had done where SEVEN of his relatives were wailing on him, but it was probably something pretty bad. But along comes trigger in the heat of the moment, supposed one of the angry relatives did something that made him feel 'threatened".

Because thanks to ridiculous "Stand your Ground" laws, we've pretty much given the gun nuts a license to kill.

Well...you also don't know about stand your ground laws either.....

 

[2aguy]

What gun store was it...they claimed the same thing in Wiconsin...even named the store, the store changed it's policy and made itself a seller to only me,bears of it's club...and it didn't lower gun crime.....

Besides.......L.A. And New Yoek can also get guns when they want them...... besides...Chicago had the strictest gun control in the state and that didn't stop criminals from getting guns did it.....?

It isn't guns...it is criminals?.arrest them and you stop gun crime...

Guy, we have over 2 million Americans in prison and another 7 million on probation or parole.

If guns and prisons made us safe, we'd have the lowest crime rate in the Industrialized world, not the highest.

Clearly, when someone can drive to Cicero or River FOrest to get a gun, a gun ban in Chicago becomes kind of meaningless.

I have a much better solution.

If a gun you sold is used in a crime, you are charged as an accessory.

Betcha the gun stores will get a lot more picky about who they sell guns to after that.

Tell that to Puerto Rico....they are an Island nation and you can't just drive over the border...they also have the strictest gun laws in the U.S. And according to Vice t.v. They are the gun murder capital of the world...........

 

[2aguy]

What gun store was it...they claimed the same thing in Wiconsin...even named the store, the store changed it's policy and made itself a seller to only me,bears of it's club...and it didn't lower gun crime.....

Besides.......L.A. And New Yoek can also get guns when they want them...... besides...Chicago had the strictest gun control in the state and that didn't stop criminals from getting guns did it.....?

It isn't guns...it is criminals?.arrest them and you stop gun crime...

Guy, we have over 2 million Americans in prison and another 7 million on probation or parole.

If guns and prisons made us safe, we'd have the lowest crime rate in the Industrialized world, not the highest.

Clearly, when someone can drive to Cicero or River FOrest to get a gun, a gun ban in Chicago becomes kind of meaningless.

I have a much better solution.

If a gun you sold is used in a crime, you are charged as an accessory.

Betcha the gun stores will get a lot more picky about who they sell guns to after that.

Gangs use people with clean backgrounds to buy their guns or steal them......each one of those tactics defeats any and all background checks......and registration and magazine limits...

Even France...a whole country with no gun stores, and stricter gun control than the U.S. Can't keep fully automatic rifles, hand grenades and pistols...and a rocket propelled grenade...out of the hands off 3 terrorists...2 of them on anti government watch lists....

They couldn't keep guns out of the hands of the terrorist this week who was going to attack churches...another arsenal......


again...the whole country of France has 0 gun stores.........and an international,border to cross....

 

[JoeB131]

They use gun offenses as bargaining chips...we had 3 guys shoot up a park here in Chicago...2 of them had previous gun charges and were supposed to be in prison at the time of the shooting on a 3 year sentence...but even with prior criminal records, they got boot camps and were out in 18 months.....

so no...if we wanted to stop gun crime then we would actually lock up gun criminals...

That's because we have so many people in prison that we can't lock them up.

The money to lock them up isn't there. Unless we did something totally crazy like made the rich pay their fair share.

We've had the number of people in prison SKYROCKET since 1980. We've gone from 500,000 prisoners to 2.5 million. It hasn't helped.

 

[JoeB131]

Even France...a whole country with no gun stores, and stricter gun control than the U.S. Can't keep fully automatic rifles, hand grenades and pistols...and a rocket propelled grenade...out of the hands off 3 terrorists...2 of them on anti government watch lists....

I'll take France's violence rate to ours any day of the week. the thing about the Charlie Hebdo massacre is that it was such an unsual events. We have a few mass shootings in this country every year.

 

[JoeB131]

Tell that to Puerto Rico....they are an Island nation and you can't just drive over the border...they also have the strictest gun laws in the U.S. And according to Vice t.v. They are the gun murder capital of the world...........

They are not a "nation". They are a commonwealth of the US.

They have the same batshit crazy guns laws we have.

 

[2aguy]

Tell that to Puerto Rico....they are an Island nation and you can't just drive over the border...they also have the strictest gun laws in the U.S. And according to Vice t.v. They are the gun murder capital of the world...........

They are not a "nation". They are a commonwealth of the US.

They have the same batshit crazy guns laws we have.

no they don't...VICE t.v. Says their gun laws are the strictest in the US

 

[JoeB131]

no they don't...VICE t.v. Says their gun laws are the strictest in the US

that's like being the "Leper with the most fingers".

 

[Brain357]

There must have been 40 studies that disagree with you, and all you can say is "look at Chicago and Wisconsin?" Yea, lets look at Chicago.

Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry gun permit applications surge - Washington Times

Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry applications surge

You feel stupid now? You should.

That's from last year dummy. It's already back to real bad this year.

Murders shootings on the rise in Chicago

CHICAGO — After recording the fewest murders in decades last year, violence is soaring: a 40% increase in shootings and 29% more homicides in the first three months of the year.

 

[Brain357]

Here you go...another list of studies that disagrees with you brain....


A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

Seems like a whole lot of them have Lott on them. Do they really count as separate studies when the same person has his hands in so many of them?

the list in this paper has the 18...and only 6 have Lott as the author....and keep in mind...this list that says guns increase crime....has only one paper listed...of course..it is hard to claim more crime when the real world proves otherwise...without studies...

http://crimepreventionresearchcente...-Maryland-Law-Review-Lott-Concealed-Carry.pdf

Yes only 1/3. That is a lot.

 

[2aguy]

Here you go...another list of studies that disagrees with you brain....


A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

Seems like a whole lot of them have Lott on them. Do they really count as separate studies when the same person has his hands in so many of them?

the list in this paper has the 18...and only 6 have Lott as the author....and keep in mind...this list that says guns increase crime....has only one paper listed...of course..it is hard to claim more crime when the real world proves otherwise...without studies...

http://crimepreventionresearchcente...-Maryland-Law-Review-Lott-Concealed-Carry.pdf

Yes only 1/3. That is a lot.

And of 18 papers that say gun crime decreases....there is only one paper that says it increases.........

 

[Brain357]

Here you go...another list of studies that disagrees with you brain....


A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

Seems like a whole lot of them have Lott on them. Do they really count as separate studies when the same person has his hands in so many of them?

the list in this paper has the 18...and only 6 have Lott as the author....and keep in mind...this list that says guns increase crime....has only one paper listed...of course..it is hard to claim more crime when the real world proves otherwise...without studies...

http://crimepreventionresearchcente...-Maryland-Law-Review-Lott-Concealed-Carry.pdf

Yes only 1/3. That is a lot.

And of 18 papers that say gun crime decreases....there is only one paper that says it increases.........

I don't think it increases either.

 

[2aguy]

There must have been 40 studies that disagree with you, and all you can say is "look at Chicago and Wisconsin?" Yea, lets look at Chicago.

Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry gun permit applications surge - Washington Times

Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry applications surge

You feel stupid now? You should.

That's from last year dummy. It's already back to real bad this year.

Murders shootings on the rise in Chicago

CHICAGO — After recording the fewest murders in decades last year, violence is soaring: a 40% increase in shootings and 29% more homicides in the first three months of the year.

again...we just got concealed carry...and only two very public cases of CCW people stopping crime hit the media....

 

[Brain357]

There must have been 40 studies that disagree with you, and all you can say is "look at Chicago and Wisconsin?" Yea, lets look at Chicago.

Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry gun permit applications surge - Washington Times

Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry applications surge

You feel stupid now? You should.

That's from last year dummy. It's already back to real bad this year.

Murders shootings on the rise in Chicago

CHICAGO — After recording the fewest murders in decades last year, violence is soaring: a 40% increase in shootings and 29% more homicides in the first three months of the year.

again...we just got concealed carry...and only two very public cases of CCW people stopping crime hit the media....

And violence is soaring.

 

[2aguy]

There must have been 40 studies that disagree with you, and all you can say is "look at Chicago and Wisconsin?" Yea, lets look at Chicago.

Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry gun permit applications surge - Washington Times

Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry applications surge

You feel stupid now? You should.

That's from last year dummy. It's already back to real bad this year.

Murders shootings on the rise in Chicago

CHICAGO — After recording the fewest murders in decades last year, violence is soaring: a 40% increase in shootings and 29% more homicides in the first three months of the year.

again...we just got concealed carry...and only two very public cases of CCW people stopping crime hit the media....

And violence is soaring.

Brain.....violence in the entire country is going down....and Chicago keeps fighting allowing people to carry guns for self defense....they have prevented gun stores and ranges from opening in the city.......so sorry.....time will tell...and the studies show the longer a county has concealed carry the better their crime rates go down....

Blame hollywood and the music industry.....and video games.....