Jarlaxle
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Look, we all get it-you want a theocracy. Just admit it...at least to yourself.We all get you don't know shit about your own country's Founders.Look, we all get it-You want a theocracy.
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Look, we all get it-you want a theocracy. Just admit it...at least to yourself.We all get you don't know shit about your own country's Founders.Look, we all get it-You want a theocracy.
It's like what you posted is totally irrelevant to the discussion...wait, that's because it is!Correct. However, it was Christians who founded the USA. If muslims would have founded the USA, there would be no Constitutional right to freedom of religion."the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
-G. Washington, 1796.
Many of the founders of the Unites States (including Jefferson, Franklin, and Washington) were actually Deists.
Total rubbish. Many states kept their established state religions for decades after the Constitutional Convention, and the vast majority of Founders were Christians, including Jefferson. The Establishment clause just about preventing the Anglican Federalists from following through on their agenda of making the Anglican Church the national favored sect, is all. Those comic books you read as a kid were lying to you.
-Thomas Jefferson, 1787Fix Reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than of blindfolded fear. ... Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences. If it end in a belief that there is no God, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise and in the love of others which it will procure for you.
Thomas Jefferson, 1821, in a letter to John Adams"And the day will come, when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His Father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
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It's like what you posted is totally irrelevant to the discussion...wait, that's because it is!Correct. However, it was Christians who founded the USA. If muslims would have founded the USA, there would be no Constitutional right to freedom of religion."the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
-G. Washington, 1796.
Many of the founders of the Unites States (including Jefferson, Franklin, and Washington) were actually Deists.
Total rubbish. Many states kept their established state religions for decades after the Constitutional Convention, and the vast majority of Founders were Christians, including Jefferson. The Establishment clause just about preventing the Anglican Federalists from following through on their agenda of making the Anglican Church the national favored sect, is all. Those comic books you read as a kid were lying to you.
You are so full of shit your breath stinks. Jefferson was the author and the driving force behind the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom (passed 1786).
-Thomas Jefferson, 1787Fix Reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than of blindfolded fear. ... Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences. If it end in a belief that there is no God, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise and in the love of others which it will procure for you.
Jefferson was even attacked in the 1800 presidential campaign as an "infidel". In 1802, he coined the phrase "a wall of separation between Church and State." He was consistent: "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." As President, Thomas Jefferson refused to call for days of prayer-he would only suggest it.
While he greatly supported the teachings of Jesus, he rejected Christ's divinity, and considered much of the New Testamant to be false; he called Paul the "first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus," and called the book of Revelations "merely the ravings of a maniac." He also concluded, after extensive study, that Jesus never actually claimed to be God. Jefferson explicitly rejected the Holy Trinity.
Jefferson was very suspicious of most clergy, especially after his time in France (with a corrupt Catholic church), and noted that "History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government."
Thomas Jefferson, 1821, in a letter to John Adams"And the day will come, when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His Father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
As did most people in those days. More evidence that we're entering the last days.It's like what you posted is totally irrelevant to the discussion...wait, that's because it is!Correct. However, it was Christians who founded the USA. If muslims would have founded the USA, there would be no Constitutional right to freedom of religion."the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
-G. Washington, 1796.
Many of the founders of the Unites States (including Jefferson, Franklin, and Washington) were actually Deists.
Total rubbish. Many states kept their established state religions for decades after the Constitutional Convention, and the vast majority of Founders were Christians, including Jefferson. The Establishment clause just about preventing the Anglican Federalists from following through on their agenda of making the Anglican Church the national favored sect, is all. Those comic books you read as a kid were lying to you.
You are so full of shit your breath stinks. Jefferson was the author and the driving force behind the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom (passed 1786).
-Thomas Jefferson, 1787Fix Reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than of blindfolded fear. ... Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences. If it end in a belief that there is no God, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise and in the love of others which it will procure for you.
Jefferson was even attacked in the 1800 presidential campaign as an "infidel". In 1802, he coined the phrase "a wall of separation between Church and State." He was consistent: "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." As President, Thomas Jefferson refused to call for days of prayer-he would only suggest it.
While he greatly supported the teachings of Jesus, he rejected Christ's divinity, and considered much of the New Testamant to be false; he called Paul the "first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus," and called the book of Revelations "merely the ravings of a maniac." He also concluded, after extensive study, that Jesus never actually claimed to be God. Jefferson explicitly rejected the Holy Trinity.
Jefferson was very suspicious of most clergy, especially after his time in France (with a corrupt Catholic church), and noted that "History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government."
Thomas Jefferson, 1821, in a letter to John Adams"And the day will come, when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His Father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
The reality was that President Jefferson was no lib, by any sense of the word.
Modem libs would refer to the 3rd Potus as a Fundy Homophobe. Jefferson supported anti-sodomy laws and enforced long prison terms against those who took it in the caboose in the commonwealth of Virginia.
It's like what you posted is totally irrelevant to the discussion...wait, that's because it is!Correct. However, it was Christians who founded the USA. If muslims would have founded the USA, there would be no Constitutional right to freedom of religion."the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
-G. Washington, 1796.
Many of the founders of the Unites States (including Jefferson, Franklin, and Washington) were actually Deists.
Total rubbish. Many states kept their established state religions for decades after the Constitutional Convention, and the vast majority of Founders were Christians, including Jefferson. The Establishment clause just about preventing the Anglican Federalists from following through on their agenda of making the Anglican Church the national favored sect, is all. Those comic books you read as a kid were lying to you.
You are so full of shit your breath stinks. Jefferson was the author and the driving force behind the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom (passed 1786).
-Thomas Jefferson, 1787Fix Reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than of blindfolded fear. ... Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences. If it end in a belief that there is no God, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise and in the love of others which it will procure for you.
Jefferson was even attacked in the 1800 presidential campaign as an "infidel". In 1802, he coined the phrase "a wall of separation between Church and State." He was consistent: "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." As President, Thomas Jefferson refused to call for days of prayer-he would only suggest it.
While he greatly supported the teachings of Jesus, he rejected Christ's divinity, and considered much of the New Testamant to be false; he called Paul the "first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus," and called the book of Revelations "merely the ravings of a maniac." He also concluded, after extensive study, that Jesus never actually claimed to be God. Jefferson explicitly rejected the Holy Trinity.
Jefferson was very suspicious of most clergy, especially after his time in France (with a corrupt Catholic church), and noted that "History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government."
Thomas Jefferson, 1821, in a letter to John Adams"And the day will come, when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His Father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
It's like what you posted is totally irrelevant to the discussion...wait, that's because it is!Correct. However, it was Christians who founded the USA. If muslims would have founded the USA, there would be no Constitutional right to freedom of religion."the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
-G. Washington, 1796.
Many of the founders of the Unites States (including Jefferson, Franklin, and Washington) were actually Deists.
Total rubbish. Many states kept their established state religions for decades after the Constitutional Convention, and the vast majority of Founders were Christians, including Jefferson. The Establishment clause just about preventing the Anglican Federalists from following through on their agenda of making the Anglican Church the national favored sect, is all. Those comic books you read as a kid were lying to you.
You are so full of shit your breath stinks. Jefferson was the author and the driving force behind the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom (passed 1786).
-Thomas Jefferson, 1787Fix Reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than of blindfolded fear. ... Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences. If it end in a belief that there is no God, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise and in the love of others which it will procure for you.
Jefferson was even attacked in the 1800 presidential campaign as an "infidel". In 1802, he coined the phrase "a wall of separation between Church and State." He was consistent: "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." As President, Thomas Jefferson refused to call for days of prayer-he would only suggest it.
While he greatly supported the teachings of Jesus, he rejected Christ's divinity, and considered much of the New Testamant to be false; he called Paul the "first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus," and called the book of Revelations "merely the ravings of a maniac." He also concluded, after extensive study, that Jesus never actually claimed to be God. Jefferson explicitly rejected the Holy Trinity.
Jefferson was very suspicious of most clergy, especially after his time in France (with a corrupt Catholic church), and noted that "History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government."
Thomas Jefferson, 1821, in a letter to John Adams"And the day will come, when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His Father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
The reality was that President Jefferson was no lib, by any sense of the word.
Modem libs would refer to the 3rd Potus as a Fundy Homophobe. Jefferson supported anti-sodomy laws and enforced long prison terms against those who took it in the caboose in the commonwealth of Virginia.
Translation: unable to refute anything, you distract and deflect.
Read the Jeffersonian Bible, boy.Translation: unable to refute anything, you distract and deflect.
Says the moron pasting fake 'quotes'. lol
Read the Jeffersonian Bible, boy.Translation: unable to refute anything, you distract and deflect.
Says the moron pasting fake 'quotes'. lol
Ah, yes, another swing and a miss from the dud. Better luck next time...I read it many years ago.Read the Jeffersonian Bible, boy.Translation: unable to refute anything, you distract and deflect.
Says the moron pasting fake 'quotes'. lol
Why? You haven't read it, you can't find a valid quote by Jefferson, or any other Founder. Jeffersons's letters are online,including two to his real life friends where he specifically says he's a Christian, along with several where he says Christianity is by far superior to any other theology. You're just stupid, is all, kid.
So you're saying you knew your Jefferson quote was a fake but posted it anyway, hoping nobody would know you were lying, and now you want us to believe you actually read something? lol that's cute. Have you tried rehab for that drinking problem?Ah, yes, another swing and a miss from the dud. Better luck next time...I read it many years ago.Read the Jeffersonian Bible, boy.Translation: unable to refute anything, you distract and deflect.
Says the moron pasting fake 'quotes'. lol
Why? You haven't read it, you can't find a valid quote by Jefferson, or any other Founder. Jeffersons's letters are online,including two to his real life friends where he specifically says he's a Christian, along with several where he says Christianity is by far superior to any other theology. You're just stupid, is all, kid.
Read the Jeffersonian Bible, boy: The Life And Morals of Jesus of Nazareth. (It's available free online.) I'd say you might learn something, but I suspect you're not capable.
You're all over the place, dud. Stop listening to the voices in your head. They're just as stupid as you, boy.
I've been a voracious reader my entire life.
You're having delusions of adequacy again, dud.You're all over the place, dud. Stop listening to the voices in your head. They're just as stupid as you, boy.
I've been a voracious reader my entire life.
Still can't admit you got handed your ass, as usual, kid. You can post last, it won't cover up your buffoonery, so go ahead.