Has America has seen it's last Free and Fair and Honest Presidential election

[kyzr]

80 million people decided not to vote in 2016.
There were 20 million more eligible voters in 2020 than in 2016.
“NFW” isn’t a logical argument. It’s just emotions.

Only about 130m people vote in presidential elections.
2020 had 155m voters. That is two standard deviations outside the norm.
Math says that the democrats cheated in 2020.

 

[Marener]

And even without the insanity, the Republican party would cease to exist since only the large population states would determine the winner. The last time I look, the Dems had that locked up with just 3 states.

Wrong. In a national popular vote, states don’t decide elections. People do. You can’t “lock up” a state. You can only lock up voters, one at a time. Besides, the three states with the most votes were California, Texas and Florida. They accounted for only 40 million of the 120 million votes. Biden only had 23 million votes out of those three states.

You need to reframe your thinking. We are too used to the electoral college.

 

[Curried Goats]

Only about 130m people vote in presidential elections.
2020 had 155m voters. That is two standard deviations outside the norm.
Math says that the democrats cheated in 2020.

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That's not what math says you dumb Bingo. The math says we had above average turnout. Your inference that this equals cheating is what your BigPussy emotions say, not the math.

 

[Dadoalex]

Before Fau-Chi's Covid pandemic the US economy was running fine under Trump.

...

Then Trump, who had the election sewn up by just being president decided that those governors, Republican and Democratic, and those science guys, were stealing his thunder so he took charge.

Killed half a million Americans and crashed the economy and the voters called on the DEMS to, once again, save the day.

I know actual factual history is a problem for you and yours but if you remember, when COVID came to visit...

Biden wasn't leading in the DEM primaries
Trump was leading in the general polling

Then another Republican screwed the pooch and lots of other critters.

 

[Marener]

Only about 130m people vote in presidential elections.
2020 had 155m voters. That is two standard deviations outside the norm.
Math says that the democrats cheated in 2020.

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Who said the turnout has to be the same every election?

Stop abusing math. I didn’t do anything to you.

 

[KissMy]

So get rid of the electoral college and make it a national popular vote. It would be all but impossible to steal an election.

That would allow a rigged county election to flip the entire country, not just a state.

Might be better to award 1 electoral vote per district to approximate popular vote, instead of swinging the entire state. That would further limit damage from a single county, but more closely mirror the popular vote.

 

[Marener]

That would allow a rigged county election to flip the entire country, not just a state.

Might be better to award 1 electoral vote per district to approximate popular vote, instead of swinging the entire state. That would further limit damage from a single county, but more closely mirror the popular vote.

Huh? Popular votes are won margins of millions. You can’t rig millions of votes without someone noticing.

In the electoral college, states can be won by as few as hundreds of votes. That’s way easier.

You make one vote per district, you just let politicians gerrymander the presidential election. It’s actually way worse than what we currently have.

 

[kyzr]

That's not what math says you dumb Bingo. The math says we had above average turnout. Your inference that this equals cheating is what your BigPussy emotions say, not the math.

Let me guess. You're from Baltimore?

 

[Care4all]

Pretty much......That's why leftists hate the electoral college.

That said in some of the red states they put measures in place to limit the cheating.

As long as elections are in the hands of the states with no established national standards to go by the abuse will continue to get worse.

The U.S. Constitution, put it in to the hands of the individual states, with only very minor responsibility at the federal level, to PRESERVE the sanctity of the vote, and our Republic.....
Not, to degrade it.

If the feds were in charge, and the crooks in federal govt decided to cheat, or defraud the voters, it would be for the entire nation!

if a crooked state govt decided to set up some sort of cheating, it would be only in that one state....leaving the rest of the state elections clean....and measures are written on how an individual state can be disqualified from being counted.

it would also be easier to identify election fraud on a state level....

 

[kyzr]

Then Trump, who had the election sewn up by just being president decided that those governors, Republican and Democratic, and those science guys, were stealing his thunder so he took charge.
Killed half a million Americans and crashed the economy and the voters called on the DEMS to, once again, save the day.
I know actual factual history is a problem for you and yours but if you remember, when COVID came to visit...
Biden wasn't leading in the DEM primaries
Trump was leading in the general polling
Then another Republican screwed the pooch and lots of other critters.

1. Fau-Chi killed ~900,000 Americans with his "gain of function" bat virus at the Wuhan Lab. Not Trump.
2. Trump saved US lives by stopping flights from China.
3. The medical experts crashed the economy with their shutdown of everything.
4. Dems didn't save the day, Trump and "Warp Speed" did, developing a vaccine and putting shots in arms in 10-months when experts said it might happen in 4-yuears.

Your partisan history sucks.

 

[Curried Goats]

Let me guess. You're from Baltimore?

I'm from Miami. I don't have to guess about Trumpers. Data already tells me you're the uneducated whites.

 

[leftwinger]

That's not what math says you dumb Bingo. The math says we had above average turnout. Your inference that this equals cheating is what your BigPussy emotions say, not the math.

Correction: Above AVG Mail-In Ballots filled out and dumped drop boxes by God knows who? Allegedly Votes switched from online hacks.

Plenty of ballots/envelopes available (all they need) from corrupt state employees printing them out. Even Copy paper of Biden ballots were used. Un-folded into ATL? huh? Truckloads pre-filled NY to PA......the list is endless. Deep State Courts blocked any look into any of it.

 

[Curried Goats]

Correction: Above AVG Mail-In Ballots filled out and dumped drop boxes by God knows who? Allegedly Votes switched from online hacks.

Well if you admit to not knowing who how can you know they were fraudulent?

Plenty of ballots/envelopes available (all they need) from corrupt state employees printing them out. Even Copy paper of Biden ballots were used. Un-folded into ATL? huh? Truckloads pre-filled NY to PA......the list is endless. Deep State Courts blocked any look into any of it.

Sure they did. But you Bingo warriors know the truth.

 

[Dadoalex]

1. Fau-Chi killed ~900,000 Americans with his "gain of function" bat virus at the Wuhan Lab. Not Trump.
2. Trump saved US lives by stopping flights from China.
3. The medical experts crashed the economy with their shutdown of everything.
4. Dems didn't save the day, Trump and "Warp Speed" did, developing a vaccine and putting shots in arms in 10-months when experts said it might happen in 4-yuears.

Your partisan history sucks.

Lie.
Lie.
Medical experts were not running the government. Trump was.
8 months of planning and Trump couldn't get vaccines out the door. THAT took Biden and the DEMS in Congress.

Your lying about history is not unexpected.

 

[Darkwind]

Changing the Constitution is not "burning the Constitution."
The Constitution has been changed 17 times since the Bill of Rights.

Changing the EC does nothing to change the House, Senate, or state legislatures.

The EC is not involved in the House, Senate, or State legislatures.

I hope you realize that.

The EC is the election procedure that the States use to elect a President. It serves no other purpose.

BTW, the real power in our Federal System should be in the House of Representatives, not the President. But the Federal Legislature had become cowardly and has abucated their responsibilities to the Executive so that they can play games and get rich; all at our expense, happiness, and life.

 

[Dadoalex]

So I say
"Changing the EC does nothing to change the House, Senate, or state legislatures."

And you feel the need to tell me...

The EC is not involved in the House, Senate, or State legislatures.

I hope you realize that.

The EC is the election procedure that the States use to elect a President. It serves no other purpose.

BTW, the real power in our Federal System should be in the House of Representatives, not the President. But the Federal Legislature had become cowardly and has abucated their responsibilities to the Executive so that they can play games and get rich; all at our expense, happiness, and life.

Maybe you should learn to read BEFORE challenging someone's realizations.

 

[sartre play]

Lie.
Lie.
Medical experts were not running the government. Trump was.
8 months of planning and Trump couldn't get vaccines out the door. THAT took Biden and the DEMS in Congress.

Your lying about history is not unexpected.

Every one screwed up the COVID SITUATION. Made it political not medical.

 

[KissMy]

Huh? Popular votes are won margins of millions. You can’t rig millions of votes without someone noticing.

In the electoral college, states can be won by as few as hundreds of votes. That’s way easier.

You make one vote per district, you just let politicians gerrymander the presidential election. It’s actually way worse than what we currently have.

Gerrymandering will not swing presidential elections. I don't even think it changes the congressional party percentages elected. What gerrymandering does is increase partisanship divide, allow extremists in both parties to get elected & hold on to power after voicing extremist views & casting extremist votes in congress.

They represent their like-minded voters instead of the general population in their state.

 

[Dadoalex]

Every one screwed up the COVID SITUATION. Made it political not medical.

No, only Trump made it political.

He even admitted that he hid the information BECAUSE he was afraid it would hurt his campaign.

Once Trump took the political low road MAGADUMIA followed him like the dogs they are.

 

[Marener]

Gerrymandering will not swing presidential elections. I don't even think it changes the congressional party percentages elected. What gerrymandering does is increase partisanship divide, allow extremists in both parties to get elected & hold on to power after voicing extremist views & casting extremist votes in congress.

Baloney. Take a state legislature like Wisconsin where their state house is supermajority Republican despite Dems winning more votes in the election.

Gerrymandering can have a huge effect.