Has Obama Made Us Into a Banana Republic?

[FA_Q2]

The skills required to do a minimum wage job today are the same skills required to do the same job 50 years ago. When the skills required to do them don't increase, the pay isn't going to change either.

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50 years ago the minimum wage was much higher than it is today, when you adjust for inflation, which is the only meaningful way to compare.

You've just made the case for raising the minimum wage, and didn't even know you did.

lol. That only works if you fail to understand those are not the only 2 factors in wage. the third factor - the one that you are ignoring - is supply and demand. Labor is a commodity weather you like it or not and the supply of unskilled labor has rising dramatically while the need for it has dropped just as dramatically as systems are put into place that replace such workers.

You're the one who wrong.

Supply and demand is math. It's not morality.

And?

Where were we talking about morality here?

Thanks for making my point.

You didn't make a point at all.

How about you go back and try again. This time actually make a point.

 

[FA_Q2]

You can't have a banana republic without unrestrained capitalism.

The purpose of Government is to protect the corporations and create a subservient worker class

What we know of today as the Republican Party

Really?

I guess you think that being against minimum wage hikes and reducing regulation makes banana republics . There is noting further from the truth. Banana republics DO NOT exist within unrestrained capitalism. Quite the opposite - they exist within HIGHLY CONSTRAINED capitalism (and really it is not capitalism at all at that point). Unrestrained capitalism might be brutal but it actually makes a banana republic impossible.

the very idea behind such a government is that the business and government have colluded to remove competition and other possible venues of opposing power and wealth - the vrey opposite of actual capitalism. It is the height of partisan idiocy to declare the republicans as the purveyors of this idea. BOTH parties are quite complicit in setting up this banana republic and your need to demand it is a republican problem simply shows your ignorance in understanding what they are at their very core.

You missed out on those history classes didn't you?

Banana Republics existed because governments were formed to protect the interests of corporations.......let's call them Chaquita Bananas

Those governments ensured Chaquita had open access to banana plantations, low taxes, helpful tariffs and most importantly......low cost labor

Eventually, the labor working for slave wages revolted

Hence......Banana Republics

Your extremely simplistic example is rather irrelevant as it reinforces exactly what I said. In your example, Chaquita is not a capitalistic enterprise anymore - the government has come in and structured regulations, practices and other limiting factors to ensure that it is the only game in town. The government does not ensure that Chaquita has open access to banana plantations - it ensures it is the ONLY one that has access to said plantations. It, in essence, allows the company to be nothing more than an extension of the government itself. Sounds like many existing businesses today. If you don't think so then try and start a bank and see how far you get. As you said, it exists to uphold the interests of Chaquita. The low wages are a RESULT of the process not a part of it.

 

[kaz]

You missed out on those history classes didn't you?

Banana Republics existed because governments were formed to protect the interests of corporations

Like Monica, you swallow. Banana Republicans were formed so dictators could dictate, Karl

No, actually they needed to be Dictatorships because allowing the workers to vote couldn't be tolerated

The Dictators were propped up by the capitalists......until the workers revolted

Havana 1959

Do you do any historical research outside the Communist Manifesto, or is that pretty much it?

 

[rightwinger]

You missed out on those history classes didn't you?

Banana Republics existed because governments were formed to protect the interests of corporations

Like Monica, you swallow. Banana Republicans were formed so dictators could dictate, Karl

No, actually they needed to be Dictatorships because allowing the workers to vote couldn't be tolerated

The Dictators were propped up by the capitalists......until the workers revolted

Havana 1959

Do you do any historical research outside the Communist Manifesto, or is that pretty much it?

Did you sleep through history classes or just not go at all?

If you are too lazy to learn, why not just watch Godfather 2?

 

[rightwinger]

You can't have a banana republic without unrestrained capitalism.

The purpose of Government is to protect the corporations and create a subservient worker class

What we know of today as the Republican Party

Really?

I guess you think that being against minimum wage hikes and reducing regulation makes banana republics . There is noting further from the truth. Banana republics DO NOT exist within unrestrained capitalism. Quite the opposite - they exist within HIGHLY CONSTRAINED capitalism (and really it is not capitalism at all at that point). Unrestrained capitalism might be brutal but it actually makes a banana republic impossible.

the very idea behind such a government is that the business and government have colluded to remove competition and other possible venues of opposing power and wealth - the vrey opposite of actual capitalism. It is the height of partisan idiocy to declare the republicans as the purveyors of this idea. BOTH parties are quite complicit in setting up this banana republic and your need to demand it is a republican problem simply shows your ignorance in understanding what they are at their very core.

You missed out on those history classes didn't you?

Banana Republics existed because governments were formed to protect the interests of corporations.......let's call them Chaquita Bananas

Those governments ensured Chaquita had open access to banana plantations, low taxes, helpful tariffs and most importantly......low cost labor

Eventually, the labor working for slave wages revolted

Hence......Banana Republics

Your extremely simplistic example is rather irrelevant as it reinforces exactly what I said. In your example, Chaquita is not a capitalistic enterprise anymore - the government has come in and structured regulations, practices and other limiting factors to ensure that it is the only game in town. The government does not ensure that Chaquita has open access to banana plantations - it ensures it is the ONLY one that has access to said plantations. It, in essence, allows the company to be nothing more than an extension of the government itself. Sounds like many existing businesses today. If you don't think so then try and start a bank and see how far you get. As you said, it exists to uphold the interests of Chaquita. The low wages are a RESULT of the process not a part of it.

You are close but have things backwards

The Government does not own Chiquita
Chiquita owns and props up the Banana Republic in return for complete control of the market

 

[FA_Q2]

You can't have a banana republic without unrestrained capitalism.

The purpose of Government is to protect the corporations and create a subservient worker class

What we know of today as the Republican Party

Really?

I guess you think that being against minimum wage hikes and reducing regulation makes banana republics . There is noting further from the truth. Banana republics DO NOT exist within unrestrained capitalism. Quite the opposite - they exist within HIGHLY CONSTRAINED capitalism (and really it is not capitalism at all at that point). Unrestrained capitalism might be brutal but it actually makes a banana republic impossible.

the very idea behind such a government is that the business and government have colluded to remove competition and other possible venues of opposing power and wealth - the vrey opposite of actual capitalism. It is the height of partisan idiocy to declare the republicans as the purveyors of this idea. BOTH parties are quite complicit in setting up this banana republic and your need to demand it is a republican problem simply shows your ignorance in understanding what they are at their very core.

You missed out on those history classes didn't you?

Banana Republics existed because governments were formed to protect the interests of corporations.......let's call them Chaquita Bananas

Those governments ensured Chaquita had open access to banana plantations, low taxes, helpful tariffs and most importantly......low cost labor

Eventually, the labor working for slave wages revolted

Hence......Banana Republics

Your extremely simplistic example is rather irrelevant as it reinforces exactly what I said. In your example, Chaquita is not a capitalistic enterprise anymore - the government has come in and structured regulations, practices and other limiting factors to ensure that it is the only game in town. The government does not ensure that Chaquita has open access to banana plantations - it ensures it is the ONLY one that has access to said plantations. It, in essence, allows the company to be nothing more than an extension of the government itself. Sounds like many existing businesses today. If you don't think so then try and start a bank and see how far you get. As you said, it exists to uphold the interests of Chaquita. The low wages are a RESULT of the process not a part of it.

You are close but have things backwards

The Government does not own Chaquita.
Chaquita owns and props up the Banana Republic in return for complete control of the market

That is really a matter of perspective and rather irrelevant. There is no 'ownership' of the company over the government or the government of the company in this example. They become virtually indistinguishable.

As I said - nothing more than an arm of the government. They become completely symbiotic.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Hey, Transformation baby. and just think...... some of you voted for it. yeehaaa

SNIP:
When I was growing up we used to make fun of countries in Central and South America for the flimsy governments that were run by two-bit dictators who made up the script as they went along. In fact, we made so much fun of these operations that Woody Allen made a movie in 1971 called Bananas which parodied the governments and their haphazard operations. It is probably considered insensitive today to even refer to our southern friends in such terms. More importantly, the question is: How much are we becoming a similar operation?

This is not to state that the root cause of this problem is President Obama. Presidents have been at odds with Congress regarding the powers of the presidency since time began (1789). Early on it was more a process of defining who could do what. In recent times, it has seemed to people and scholars on both sides of the aisle that executive power has expanded at the expense of the Congress with a short turnaround in the mid 1970’s in the aftermath of Watergate. However, the current president has exerted executive power to the 10th degree bringing us the edge of a constitutional crisis.

Since January 2011 when Mr. Obama no longer had a majority in both houses of Congress, he has told the Congress on too many occasions that he will do what he wants and they cannot stop him.

Instead of attempting to negotiate a deal with the Republicans who very actively want to structure a multi-faceted immigration reform program, Mr. Obama told them to stick it in their ear and “legalized” five million people here in America illegally.

That caused 26 states to sue him and have the program put on hold. He followed that up by negotiating an agreement with a dangerous adversary, Iran, and made blatant he intends to circumvent the Congress.

ALL of it here:
Has Obama Made Us Into a Banana Republic - Bruce Bialosky - Page 1

Has Obama Made Us Into a Banana Republic?

Why do you ask? Do you want to sign up for the free bananas?

 

[rightwinger]

Hey, remember in 2006, when people were so fed up with the Iraq War that they voted Republicans out of both houses of Congress? Did the war end? Nope! Bush in fact escalated the war.

Remember in 2008 when people voted Democrats into office to end the wars in the middle east. Did the wars end? Nope! Obama in fact escalated the wars and got us into new ones.

How did Iran work out?

What other "wars" did we put boots on the ground?

 

[deltex1]

Hey, Transformation baby. and just think...... some of you voted for it. yeehaaa

SNIP:
When I was growing up we used to make fun of countries in Central and South America for the flimsy governments that were run by two-bit dictators who made up the script as they went along. In fact, we made so much fun of these operations that Woody Allen made a movie in 1971 called Bananas which parodied the governments and their haphazard operations. It is probably considered insensitive today to even refer to our southern friends in such terms. More importantly, the question is: How much are we becoming a similar operation?

This is not to state that the root cause of this problem is President Obama. Presidents have been at odds with Congress regarding the powers of the presidency since time began (1789). Early on it was more a process of defining who could do what. In recent times, it has seemed to people and scholars on both sides of the aisle that executive power has expanded at the expense of the Congress with a short turnaround in the mid 1970’s in the aftermath of Watergate. However, the current president has exerted executive power to the 10th degree bringing us the edge of a constitutional crisis.

Since January 2011 when Mr. Obama no longer had a majority in both houses of Congress, he has told the Congress on too many occasions that he will do what he wants and they cannot stop him.

Instead of attempting to negotiate a deal with the Republicans who very actively want to structure a multi-faceted immigration reform program, Mr. Obama told them to stick it in their ear and “legalized” five million people here in America illegally.

That caused 26 states to sue him and have the program put on hold. He followed that up by negotiating an agreement with a dangerous adversary, Iran, and made blatant he intends to circumvent the Congress.

ALL of it here:
Has Obama Made Us Into a Banana Republic - Bruce Bialosky - Page 1

Banana...not so much....maybe more rainbow watermelon.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

"Has Obama Made Us Into a Banana Republic?"

Yes... and THAT is to what he was referring when he stated his intention to 'Fundamentally change the United States of America.'

The reason that Banana Republics are what they are, is that they're governed by "Relativism".

"Relativism is the doctrine which holds that knowledge, truth, and

morality exist only in relation to one's cultural, societal, historical and

personal context, and, as such can never be the result of soundly

reasoned absolutes.

Relativism is a perversion of reason, which axiomatically rejects the objectivity that is essential to truth.

And with truth being essential to trust and, both of those being critical to the establishment of a soundly reasoned morality, and because a soundly reasoned morality is essential to Justice... it becomes clear to reasonable people, that Relativism can never serve justice.

 

[kaz]

Do you do any historical research outside the Communist Manifesto, or is that pretty much it?

Did you sleep through history classes or just not go at all?

If you are too lazy to learn, why not just watch Godfather 2?

Dude, WTF? Not only did I know what you said but I cited the specific source of your information

 

[rightwinger]

You can't have a banana republic without unrestrained capitalism.

The purpose of Government is to protect the corporations and create a subservient worker class

What we know of today as the Republican Party

Really?

I guess you think that being against minimum wage hikes and reducing regulation makes banana republics . There is noting further from the truth. Banana republics DO NOT exist within unrestrained capitalism. Quite the opposite - they exist within HIGHLY CONSTRAINED capitalism (and really it is not capitalism at all at that point). Unrestrained capitalism might be brutal but it actually makes a banana republic impossible.

the very idea behind such a government is that the business and government have colluded to remove competition and other possible venues of opposing power and wealth - the vrey opposite of actual capitalism. It is the height of partisan idiocy to declare the republicans as the purveyors of this idea. BOTH parties are quite complicit in setting up this banana republic and your need to demand it is a republican problem simply shows your ignorance in understanding what they are at their very core.

You missed out on those history classes didn't you?

Banana Republics existed because governments were formed to protect the interests of corporations.......let's call them Chaquita Bananas

Those governments ensured Chaquita had open access to banana plantations, low taxes, helpful tariffs and most importantly......low cost labor

Eventually, the labor working for slave wages revolted

Hence......Banana Republics

Your extremely simplistic example is rather irrelevant as it reinforces exactly what I said. In your example, Chaquita is not a capitalistic enterprise anymore - the government has come in and structured regulations, practices and other limiting factors to ensure that it is the only game in town. The government does not ensure that Chaquita has open access to banana plantations - it ensures it is the ONLY one that has access to said plantations. It, in essence, allows the company to be nothing more than an extension of the government itself. Sounds like many existing businesses today. If you don't think so then try and start a bank and see how far you get. As you said, it exists to uphold the interests of Chaquita. The low wages are a RESULT of the process not a part of it.

You are close but have things backwards

The Government does not own Chaquita.
Chaquita owns and props up the Banana Republic in return for complete control of the market

That is really a matter of perspective and rather irrelevant. There is no 'ownership' of the company over the government or the government of the company in this example. They become virtually indistinguishable.

As I said - nothing more than an arm of the government. They become completely symbiotic.

In a way yes

What is common is the combination of Corporations, Government and Military to control the workers

 

[rightwinger]

Do you do any historical research outside the Communist Manifesto, or is that pretty much it?

Did you sleep through history classes or just not go at all?

If you are too lazy to learn, why not just watch Godfather 2?

Dude, WTF? Not only did I know what you said but I cited the specific source of your information

Banana republic - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[bripat9643]

Our subservience to the capitalist has made us a banana republic

Moron

 

[rightwinger]

"Has Obama Made Us Into a Banana Republic?"

Yes... and THAT is to what he was referring when he stated his intention to 'Fundamentally change the United States of America.'

The reason that Banana Republics are what they are, is that they're governed by "Relativism".

"Relativism is the doctrine which holds that knowledge, truth, and

morality exist only in relation to one's cultural, societal, historical and

personal context, and, as such can never be the result of soundly

reasoned absolutes.

Relativism is a perversion of reason, which axiomatically rejects the objectivity that is essential to truth.

And with truth being essential to trust and, both of those being critical to the establishment of a soundly reasoned morality, and because a soundly reasoned morality is essential to Justice... it becomes clear to reasonable people, that Relativism can never serve justice.

You have absolutely no concept of what a Banana Republic is other than it has a funny name

You have it totally back asswards

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Hey, remember in 2006, when people were so fed up with the Iraq War that they voted Republicans out of both houses of Congress? Did the war end? Nope! Bush in fact escalated the war.

Remember in 2008 when people voted Democrats into office to end the wars in the middle east. Did the wars end? Nope! Obama in fact escalated the wars and got us into new ones.

LOL! The Democrats also said they were voting to reduce the Annual US Deficits, which until the Left came to power in 2007, had averaged 150 Billion/yr. Which they claimed was Immoral and unpatriotic.

You'll recall that they summarily INCREASED those deficits from 150 billion to 1500 Billion dollars per year... .

 

[rightwinger]

Our subservience to the capitalist has made us a banana republic

Moron

Banana republic - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

"Has Obama Made Us Into a Banana Republic?"

Yes... and THAT is to what he was referring when he stated his intention to 'Fundamentally change the United States of America.'

The reason that Banana Republics are what they are, is that they're governed by "Relativism".

"Relativism is the doctrine which holds that knowledge, truth, and

morality exist only in relation to one's cultural, societal, historical and

personal context, and, as such can never be the result of soundly

reasoned absolutes.

Relativism is a perversion of reason, which axiomatically rejects the objectivity that is essential to truth.

And with truth being essential to trust and, both of those being critical to the establishment of a soundly reasoned morality, and because a soundly reasoned morality is essential to Justice... it becomes clear to reasonable people, that Relativism can never serve justice.

You have absolutely no concept of what a Banana Republic is other than it has a funny name

You have it totally back asswards

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

 

[rightwinger]

"Has Obama Made Us Into a Banana Republic?"

Yes... and THAT is to what he was referring when he stated his intention to 'Fundamentally change the United States of America.'

The reason that Banana Republics are what they are, is that they're governed by "Relativism".

"Relativism is the doctrine which holds that knowledge, truth, and

morality exist only in relation to one's cultural, societal, historical and

personal context, and, as such can never be the result of soundly

reasoned absolutes.

Relativism is a perversion of reason, which axiomatically rejects the objectivity that is essential to truth.

And with truth being essential to trust and, both of those being critical to the establishment of a soundly reasoned morality, and because a soundly reasoned morality is essential to Justice... it becomes clear to reasonable people, that Relativism can never serve justice.

You have absolutely no concept of what a Banana Republic is other than it has a funny name

You have it totally back asswards

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

Relativism?

That is your response?

Fucking silly

 

[bripat9643]

Our subservience to the capitalist has made us a banana republic

You sound just like some fucking commie.