Has the Far Left Taken Over the Democratic Party?

[CrusaderFrank]

The Dem base hasn't been told the good news yet, so they're totally unaware

 

[Redfish]

If the Democrats were far left, wouldn't we have single payer health care right now and not a right-wing derived "Obamacare"?

the far left has taken over the dem party, but not the country. That is the answer to your question.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

If the Democrats were far left, wouldn't we have single payer health care right now and not a right-wing derived "Obamacare"?

what you really need to say is Obamacare is the 'right wing' of the FAR LEFT.....and that both versions of healthcare would become Far Left failed policies....

 

[HelenaHandbag]

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The wingers have taken over both parties.

Unfortunately for the country.

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I have to disagree with you on this Mac. There has been no serious attempt to purge establishment liberals in the primaries at this point. This does not say the the growth of the far left within the Democratic Party hasn't shifted the party more to the left.
On the other hand I will agree with your comment "Unfortunately for the country". It's also interesting that the largest voting bloc in the 2012 election, according to two exit polls were moderates. So while the fastest growing voting bloc is in the middle, both parties are moving in opposite directions to the extreme left and right. That's where I agree that it's unfortunate for the country..

The establishment liberals are the hard left.

The only real difference between Pelosi, Reid, DeLauro, Feinstein, et.al. and Bernie Sanders, is that Sanders has the courage to admit that he is a socialist.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

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The wingers have taken over both parties.

Unfortunately for the country.

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Not in the GOP, which is still controlled by its liberal neocon wing.

This country would be fortunate if real right conservatives and libertarians got control of that mess.

I don't understand why you guys haven't gone third party. I just don't understand it at all.

Because the democrats and republicans have rigged the game so that only members of one or the other party have a chance.

Most election cycles, the Libertarian and Constitution parties have to expend considerable capital just getting on the ballots in all 50 states.

 

[kiwiman127]

If the Democrats were far left, wouldn't we have single payer health care right now and not a right-wing derived "Obamacare"?

what you really need to say is Obamacare is the 'right wing' of the FAR LEFT.....and that both versions of healthcare would become Far Left failed policies....

Actually, Obamacare is the by product of the Heritage Foundation and Romneycare. But you are right about it being a failed policy.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

If the Democrats were far left, wouldn't we have single payer health care right now and not a right-wing derived "Obamacare"?

what you really need to say is Obamacare is the 'right wing' of the FAR LEFT.....and that both versions of healthcare would become Far Left failed policies....

Actually, Obamacare is the by product of the Heritage Foundation and Romneycare. But you are right about it being a failed policy.

i realize you lefties need to steal ideas from the right since you can never come up with something original of your own....your top-down hierarchy pretty much prevents that...

and just because the right comes up with lots of ideas does not mean that we like or want to implement all of them...

 

[HelenaHandbag]

If the Democrats were far left, wouldn't we have single payer health care right now and not a right-wing derived "Obamacare"?

what you really need to say is Obamacare is the 'right wing' of the FAR LEFT.....and that both versions of healthcare would become Far Left failed policies....

Actually, Obamacare is the by product of the Heritage Foundation and Romneycare.

I'm so sick of that dreary talking point.

All that tells me is that the democrats are so intellectually impotent and devoid of any ideas that they have to steal the worst of the worst from others, then try to blame them for their stupidity.

BTW, what was the political makeup of the congress in Mass. that wrote and passed that debacle?

 

[kiwiman127]

what you really need to say is Obamacare is the 'right wing' of the FAR LEFT.....and that both versions of healthcare would become Far Left failed policies....

Actually, Obamacare is the by product of the Heritage Foundation and Romneycare. But you are right about it being a failed policy.

i realize you lefties need to steal ideas from the right since you can never come up with something original of your own....your top-down hierarchy pretty much prevents that...

and just because the right comes up with lots of ideas does not mean that we like or want to implement all of them...

While I am certainly to the left of you, that still doesn't make me a lefty in the Big Picture.
"just because the right comes up with lots of ideas does not mean that we like or want to implement all of them". And that's a "whew"! Actually that could be said of both sides of the aisle and again,,,"whew".

 

[Bfgrn]

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The wingers have taken over both parties.

Unfortunately for the country.

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Really? When Democrats controlled both houses and the White House, why didn't we get a single payer health care system or at least a public option?

 

[Contumacious]

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The wingers have taken over both parties.

Unfortunately for the country.

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Really? When Democrats controlled both houses and the White House, why didn't we get a single payer health care system or at least a public option?

That Congress believed that nationalizing health care sucked

 

[HelenaHandbag]

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The wingers have taken over both parties.

Unfortunately for the country.

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Really? When Democrats controlled both houses and the White House, why didn't we get a single payer health care system or at least a public option?

Because they have to collapse the current system, so they can come riding in on the white charger with the "solution" for the problem that they caused.

It's so very Cloward-Piven of them.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE]Obama on single payer health insurance - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Bfgrn]

what you really need to say is Obamacare is the 'right wing' of the FAR LEFT.....and that both versions of healthcare would become Far Left failed policies....

Actually, Obamacare is the by product of the Heritage Foundation and Romneycare.

I'm so sick of that dreary talking point.

All that tells me is that the democrats are so intellectually impotent and devoid of any ideas that they have to steal the worst of the worst from others, then try to blame them for their stupidity.

BTW, what was the political makeup of the congress in Mass. that wrote and passed that debacle?

Western Republican Leadership Conference Debate, where Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich tussled on the question:

ROMNEY: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.

GINGRICH: That’s not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

ROMNEY: Yes, we got it from you, and you got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you.

GINGRICH: Wait a second. What you just said is not true. You did not get that from me. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

ROMNEY: And you never supported them?

GINGRICH: I agree with them, but I’m just saying, what you said to this audience just now plain wasn’t true.

(CROSSTALK)

ROMNEY: OK. Let me ask, have you supported in the past an individual mandate?

GINGRICH: I absolutely did with the Heritage Foundation against Hillarycare.

ROMNEY: You did support an individual mandate?

ROMNEY: Oh, OK. That’s what I’m saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.

GINGRICH: OK. A little broader.

ROMNEY: OK.

How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate - Forbes

 

[Bfgrn]

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The wingers have taken over both parties.

Unfortunately for the country.

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Really? When Democrats controlled both houses and the White House, why didn't we get a single payer health care system or at least a public option?

Because they have to collapse the current system, so they can come riding in on the white charger with the "solution" for the problem that they caused.

It's so very Cloward-Piven of them.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE]Obama on single payer health insurance - YouTube[/ame]

Really? Why not just start out that way? As a liberal I REALLY hope that does happen. It is the ONLY way to save our cartel run death care system.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/8590721-post28.html

 

[HelenaHandbag]

Really? When Democrats controlled both houses and the White House, why didn't we get a single payer health care system or at least a public option?

Because they have to collapse the current system, so they can come riding in on the white charger with the "solution" for the problem that they caused.

It's so very Cloward-Piven of them.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE]Obama on single payer health insurance - YouTube[/ame]

Really? Why not just start out that way? As a liberal I REALLY hope that does happen. It is the ONLY way to save our cartel run death care system.

Is there an ESL class at your local community college?

 

[LoneLaugher]

The answer is no.

 

[bripat9643]

I just read an interesting piece from The Atlantic Monthly which questions whether like the GOP, there is a "civil war" going on within the Democratic Party between the more extreme versus The Establishment members.
The conclusion was no. At this point, The Establishment Democrats still control the show and that there hasn't been serious attempts with using litmus tests, pledges or purging of it's elected government membership. When purges have been attempted such as Howard Dean's "Democratic wing of the Democratic Party" with the goal of having liberals dominate Democratic policies failed.
The reason why a complete take over the the Democratic party have failed is because in pure numbers, liberals don't have the strength. Where as within the GOP, 70% call themselves "conservative". Only 43% of Democrats call themselves liberals.
Below are two charts based on Gallup's polling of both parties. As shown, there is more equal diversity of political position within the Democratic Party, which forces more cohesion among the party leaders.
Discuss.
Link to The Atlantic article: No, Liberals Don't Control the Democratic Party
No, Liberals Don't Control the Democratic Party - Molly Ball - The Atlantic

Liberals always deny that they're liberals, so why would anyone believe the horseshit above?

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[LoneLaugher]

I don't deny it. I am a liberal.

Do you deny that you are a fascist?

 

[kiwiman127]

I just read an interesting piece from The Atlantic Monthly which questions whether like the GOP, there is a "civil war" going on within the Democratic Party between the more extreme versus The Establishment members.
The conclusion was no. At this point, The Establishment Democrats still control the show and that there hasn't been serious attempts with using litmus tests, pledges or purging of it's elected government membership. When purges have been attempted such as Howard Dean's "Democratic wing of the Democratic Party" with the goal of having liberals dominate Democratic policies failed.
The reason why a complete take over the the Democratic party have failed is because in pure numbers, liberals don't have the strength. Where as within the GOP, 70% call themselves "conservative". Only 43% of Democrats call themselves liberals.
Below are two charts based on Gallup's polling of both parties. As shown, there is more equal diversity of political position within the Democratic Party, which forces more cohesion among the party leaders.
Discuss.
Link to The Atlantic article: No, Liberals Don't Control the Democratic Party
No, Liberals Don't Control the Democratic Party - Molly Ball - The Atlantic

Liberals always deny that they're liberals, so why would anyone believe the horseshit above?

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The Atlantic is a very good and pretty bias free resource. You should visit and get into some of the great discussions that they have for the articles that are published. There's a lot of intelligent exchange among it's readership from all sides of the aisle. Sometimes their journalist drop into the discussions. But I have to warn you, there's no name-calling childish behavior. It's for adults only.