Healthy eating for kids

[Skull Pilot]

Adult Obesity Facts | Overweight & Obesity | CDC

"More than one-third (36.5%) of U.S. adults have obesity."

Overweight & Obesity Statistics | NIDDK

"

• More than 1 in 3 adults are considered to be obese."

Obesity in the United States - Wikipedia

Adult Obesity in the United States: The State of Obesity

6 states in the US have an obesity rating BELOW 25%, California, Utah, Colorado, Montana Hawaii and Massachusetts.

4 states are above 35%, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and West Virginia.

Obesity in the U.S. - Food Research & Action Center

"More than one-third of U.S. adults are obese (Flegal et al., 2016)."

US obesity rates 'rising for first time since 2004' - BBC News

"This latest study means they are rising again - to nearly 38% in 2013-14, up from about 32% a decade ago."

Nothing like a right winger to come on here and start making up statistics based on what they feel, rather than actually bothering to go out and find out the information that's available.

Yeah and every adult in the country knows that to lose weight you have to eat less and exercise more they simply choose not to

But this isn't just about losing weight.

Yes, people choose not to. Why?

I mean, from your perspective it would just seem like no one gives a fuck, but often there's more to it than that.

Why is obesity MUCH worse in the US than any other country? Why is it much worse in the Deep South than other parts of the country?

I don't care why people choose to eat what they eat because EVERYONE knows a diet consisting of fruits, vegetables and lean protein is better for you than a diet of Mac and cheese fast food and ice cream.

The why is easy. It's the result of the food choices they make and they make those food choices with the full knowledge that they are not eating a healthy diet.

 

[Eloy]

The USA is a free country and American parents like to control what their children eat.

 

[anotherlife]

I'm not about zero tolerance at all. I'm about education. I don't have a problem with kids eating sugar once in a while, however when 30% of people are obese, you know there's a problem.

it's their choice and none of your business

Was it their choice that their sugar was replaced by HFC and aspartame?

they still bought the food didn't they?

No, they didn't. It was not their choice that the only thing they could buy was not food but those chemicals to eat. The generation before 1979 was not in this poisoned situation, for your comparison.

it is their choice to buy the food therefore it is their choice to consume the ingredients. If they don't want to consume those ingredients they can do what I do and make everything from scratch

it doesn't really get much simpler than that

No they can't because they don't get time out of the office for cooking food.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I'm not about zero tolerance at all. I'm about education. I don't have a problem with kids eating sugar once in a while, however when 30% of people are obese, you know there's a problem.

it's their choice and none of your business

And how do you make the choice if you don't understand the issues?

Also, isn't it the business of the teacher AND the other students in the class? It goes way beyond individual responsibility.

here we go again

tell you what ask 1000 random people on the street if eating ice cream and candy is healthier for you than eating fruits and vegetables and get back to me

And did you read what I wrote in the first post? Did you?

People who KNOW that stuff is bad for you, then give their kids stuff with CHOCOLATE in it and then say "It's not like we're giving them chocolate, is it?" Yes, it's exactly like giving them chocolate.

The levels of ignorance among the people is massive.

Just because they know ice cream is bad for them, if you ask 1000 people on the streets WHY it's bad for them, how many of them will say because:

Sugar Decreases Attention Span and Memory
Chronic Sugar Consumption Might Permanently Impair Memory Functions
Sugary Foods Crowd Out Brain Food
Hyperactivity, yeast overgrowth leads to eczema, ear infections, throat infection and other things, addiction, hinders absorption of vitamin B (vitamin B is good for the brain) lack of vitamin B leads to a drop in blood sugar levels which can reduce oxygen to the brain which leads to the brain not working well, forgetfulness etc. Vitamin B regulates mood and behavior, increases adrenaline levels, increases anxiety and irritability. ????

I'd say, oh, about zero...

a little chocolate once in a while won't hurt a kid
a home made piece of banana bread on occasion won't hurt a kid
if a kid eats a little raw cookie dough he'll be just fine
if a kid has an ice cream cone once in a while he'll be just fine


you're the one assuming that the kid is a sugar addict with absolutely no proof

Did I say a little chocolate once in a whole won't hurt kids? Chocolate for breakfast, potato chips for lunch, more chocolate for dinner will.

The problem is this woman clearly didn't have a clue what her kids were eating, that's the issue. Take soft drinks. Parents know their kids need to drink, oh, he's a coke for a drink at school. It has a bit of sugar in it, right? How much? Dunno, just a bit. Won't do them any harm, will it? It's not chocolate.

The issue is that parents are sending their kids to school with this crap EVERY DAY.

99 out of 100 packed lunches eaten at school are unhealthy

This is from the UK, but still the same.

"99 out of 100 packed lunches eaten at school are unhealthy
Parents ignore nutritional advice because 'children don't like to eat vegetables'

 

[frigidweirdo]

Adult Obesity Facts | Overweight & Obesity | CDC

"More than one-third (36.5%) of U.S. adults have obesity."

Overweight & Obesity Statistics | NIDDK

"

• More than 1 in 3 adults are considered to be obese."

Obesity in the United States - Wikipedia

Adult Obesity in the United States: The State of Obesity

6 states in the US have an obesity rating BELOW 25%, California, Utah, Colorado, Montana Hawaii and Massachusetts.

4 states are above 35%, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and West Virginia.

Obesity in the U.S. - Food Research & Action Center

"More than one-third of U.S. adults are obese (Flegal et al., 2016)."

US obesity rates 'rising for first time since 2004' - BBC News

"This latest study means they are rising again - to nearly 38% in 2013-14, up from about 32% a decade ago."

Nothing like a right winger to come on here and start making up statistics based on what they feel, rather than actually bothering to go out and find out the information that's available.

Yeah and every adult in the country knows that to lose weight you have to eat less and exercise more they simply choose not to

But this isn't just about losing weight.

Yes, people choose not to. Why?

I mean, from your perspective it would just seem like no one gives a fuck, but often there's more to it than that.

Why is obesity MUCH worse in the US than any other country? Why is it much worse in the Deep South than other parts of the country?

I don't care why people choose to eat what they eat because EVERYONE knows a diet consisting of fruits, vegetables and lean protein is better for you than a diet of Mac and cheese fast food and ice cream.

The why is easy. It's the result of the food choices they make and they make those food choices with the full knowledge that they are not eating a healthy diet.

So why doesn't it happen? Why don't people go feed their kids healthy stuff?

The four states which have the highest obesity ratings, three of them are neighbors. Is this a surprise?

48th, 47th, 44th and 42nd on the the list for high school graduation levels, the "best" of these states has 15% of kids not graduating from high school. That state happens to have the worst bachelor's degree level at 19.2%, next up is Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama are in the top 7.

Poverty plays a part too. Mississippi is 49th in the US for poverty, all these states are in the bottom 20 for poverty. I wouldn't be surprised if it is those in poverty who are the ones most likely to be afflicted by obesity, either.

Poverty and Obesity in the U.S.

"people in America who live in the most poverty-dense counties are those most prone to obesity"

"Thus, in many poverty-dense regions, people are in hunger and unable to access affordable healthy food, even when funds avail"

So, you have links with poverty to obesity. Which in turn has links with education, parenting and all of those issues.

If you want to deal with the problems of crime, if you want to deal with the problems of education, then you're going to have to deal with the issues of obesity.

 

[Skull Pilot]

it's their choice and none of your business

Was it their choice that their sugar was replaced by HFC and aspartame?

they still bought the food didn't they?

No, they didn't. It was not their choice that the only thing they could buy was not food but those chemicals to eat. The generation before 1979 was not in this poisoned situation, for your comparison.

it is their choice to buy the food therefore it is their choice to consume the ingredients. If they don't want to consume those ingredients they can do what I do and make everything from scratch

it doesn't really get much simpler than that

No they can't because they don't get time out of the office for cooking food.

really they work 24 7 365?

and you never heard of bringing your own lunch to work?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Adult Obesity Facts | Overweight & Obesity | CDC

"More than one-third (36.5%) of U.S. adults have obesity."

Overweight & Obesity Statistics | NIDDK

"

• More than 1 in 3 adults are considered to be obese."

Obesity in the United States - Wikipedia

Adult Obesity in the United States: The State of Obesity

6 states in the US have an obesity rating BELOW 25%, California, Utah, Colorado, Montana Hawaii and Massachusetts.

4 states are above 35%, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and West Virginia.

Obesity in the U.S. - Food Research & Action Center

"More than one-third of U.S. adults are obese (Flegal et al., 2016)."

US obesity rates 'rising for first time since 2004' - BBC News

"This latest study means they are rising again - to nearly 38% in 2013-14, up from about 32% a decade ago."

Nothing like a right winger to come on here and start making up statistics based on what they feel, rather than actually bothering to go out and find out the information that's available.

Yeah and every adult in the country knows that to lose weight you have to eat less and exercise more they simply choose not to

But this isn't just about losing weight.

Yes, people choose not to. Why?

I mean, from your perspective it would just seem like no one gives a fuck, but often there's more to it than that.

Why is obesity MUCH worse in the US than any other country? Why is it much worse in the Deep South than other parts of the country?

I don't care why people choose to eat what they eat because EVERYONE knows a diet consisting of fruits, vegetables and lean protein is better for you than a diet of Mac and cheese fast food and ice cream.

The why is easy. It's the result of the food choices they make and they make those food choices with the full knowledge that they are not eating a healthy diet.

So why doesn't it happen? Why don't people go feed their kids healthy stuff?

The four states which have the highest obesity ratings, three of them are neighbors. Is this a surprise?

48th, 47th, 44th and 42nd on the the list for high school graduation levels, the "best" of these states has 15% of kids not graduating from high school. That state happens to have the worst bachelor's degree level at 19.2%, next up is Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama are in the top 7.

Poverty plays a part too. Mississippi is 49th in the US for poverty, all these states are in the bottom 20 for poverty. I wouldn't be surprised if it is those in poverty who are the ones most likely to be afflicted by obesity, either.

Poverty and Obesity in the U.S.

"people in America who live in the most poverty-dense counties are those most prone to obesity"

"Thus, in many poverty-dense regions, people are in hunger and unable to access affordable healthy food, even when funds avail"

So, you have links with poverty to obesity. Which in turn has links with education, parenting and all of those issues.

If you want to deal with the problems of crime, if you want to deal with the problems of education, then you're going to have to deal with the issues of obesity.

Obesity is a choice. I don't know why people choose to eat like shit and never exercise but it's none of my business if they do and it's none of yours.

every fat person knows they are fat.
every fat person knows how to lose weight and eat healthier

you can't force them to make different choices

 

[Skull Pilot]

it's their choice and none of your business

And how do you make the choice if you don't understand the issues?

Also, isn't it the business of the teacher AND the other students in the class? It goes way beyond individual responsibility.

here we go again

tell you what ask 1000 random people on the street if eating ice cream and candy is healthier for you than eating fruits and vegetables and get back to me

And did you read what I wrote in the first post? Did you?

People who KNOW that stuff is bad for you, then give their kids stuff with CHOCOLATE in it and then say "It's not like we're giving them chocolate, is it?" Yes, it's exactly like giving them chocolate.

The levels of ignorance among the people is massive.

Just because they know ice cream is bad for them, if you ask 1000 people on the streets WHY it's bad for them, how many of them will say because:

Sugar Decreases Attention Span and Memory
Chronic Sugar Consumption Might Permanently Impair Memory Functions
Sugary Foods Crowd Out Brain Food
Hyperactivity, yeast overgrowth leads to eczema, ear infections, throat infection and other things, addiction, hinders absorption of vitamin B (vitamin B is good for the brain) lack of vitamin B leads to a drop in blood sugar levels which can reduce oxygen to the brain which leads to the brain not working well, forgetfulness etc. Vitamin B regulates mood and behavior, increases adrenaline levels, increases anxiety and irritability. ????

I'd say, oh, about zero...

a little chocolate once in a while won't hurt a kid
a home made piece of banana bread on occasion won't hurt a kid
if a kid eats a little raw cookie dough he'll be just fine
if a kid has an ice cream cone once in a while he'll be just fine


you're the one assuming that the kid is a sugar addict with absolutely no proof

Did I say a little chocolate once in a whole won't hurt kids? Chocolate for breakfast, potato chips for lunch, more chocolate for dinner will.

The problem is this woman clearly didn't have a clue what her kids were eating, that's the issue. Take soft drinks. Parents know their kids need to drink, oh, he's a coke for a drink at school. It has a bit of sugar in it, right? How much? Dunno, just a bit. Won't do them any harm, will it? It's not chocolate.

The issue is that parents are sending their kids to school with this crap EVERY DAY.

99 out of 100 packed lunches eaten at school are unhealthy

This is from the UK, but still the same.

"99 out of 100 packed lunches eaten at school are unhealthy
Parents ignore nutritional advice because 'children don't like to eat vegetables'

the woman packed her kid's lunch so of course she knew what he was eating.

Do you know how that kid eats at home? No you don't.

and as I said we had generations of kids who ate bologna on white bread, chips and a cookie with whole milk every day for lunch and weren't fat but you can't explain that one can you?

 

[keepitreal]

Mom Goes Off On School After Learning Why They Threw Away Her Son’s Packed Lunch

Okay, this thread is not about the school throwing the school lunch away.

What this thread is about is the knowledge of parents to feed their kids healthily, and the need for education to educate students in how to eat healthily so when they are adults they don't make these sorts of mistakes.

The first thing is that whenever talking about eating healthily a lot of people on the right will say that everyone knows that sugar is bad. Fine, everyone knows that sugar is bad. But then again how does this then get into their brain and affect how they think?

"he was told he could not eat a piece of banana bread he had brought to school as a snack because it contained chocolate chips."

The first part I will bring up is that this banana bread that this kid had contained chocolate chips.

“It’s not like he had chips or a chocolate bar,” The mom says,

The second part is the mother's attitude that this banana bread which contained chocolate, probably quite a bit of sugar too, but the mother said "It's not like he had chips or a chocolate bar", well, no, it is like he had chips or a chocolate bar, actually.

This is the most worrying thing.

"she bought banana bread because they were labeled as being nut-free and safe for school children."

Oh, what? She bought the bread because it said it's "safe for children", what? What does "safe for children" mean? It won't kill them instantly? This is how easily manipulated people are.

Then the last part is "Brangman claims she felt “it was more unhealthy for a child not to eat at all, than to eat a granola bar with chocolate.”"

Well, actually it would be better for parents to take control of what their kids are eating. They stuff them full of sugar, get them addicted to sugar, use sugar as rewards, use them when their kids are going nuts, and then the kids demand to have sugar and refuse to eat other stuff. Bad parenting.

The point about manipulation brings me to this:

California woman sues Jelly Belly Candy claiming beans were full of sugar

This thread doesn't concern whether you think this woman suing this company is right or wrong.

"Jessica Gomez filed a federal class-action lawsuit against the Fairfield, Calif.-based candy company in March, claiming they mislabeled sugar on the product’s list of ingredients. She is asking for damages, restitution and a court order demanding the company end “fraudulent practices.”"

"According to Gomez’s attorneys, the company lists “evaporated cane juice” as an ingredient instead of sugar “to make the product appear even more appropriate for athletes and less like a candy.”"

Companies are all too ready to mislead consumers. Sure, a person who is knowledgeable about things would soon catch on that there is sugar. But there are millions of people who just aren't knowledgeable, don't take the time to find things out, and will end up being manipulated by these companies.

"evaporated cane juice" is just bullshit. It's sugar, and a company has an obligation to write the ingredients as they are, not how they want to present them.

People know sugar is bad, but they'll end up stuffing so much more sugar into their kids's mouths than they think they are doing because they simply don't take the time to learn about healthy eating.

So it's time for education to EDUCATED kids. The problem is, the govt fund education and it also seems to want large companies to sell their crap to the people, because politicians aren't looking out for the interests of the people.

What the fuck!

Teachers or otherwise, have no business policing lunches!
What are they doing on their lunch breaks...
Smoking a cigarette while driving to McDonald's,
on top of, drinking coffee or soda all day!

Shut the fuck up!

 

[frigidweirdo]

Adult Obesity Facts | Overweight & Obesity | CDC

"More than one-third (36.5%) of U.S. adults have obesity."

Overweight & Obesity Statistics | NIDDK

"

• More than 1 in 3 adults are considered to be obese."

Obesity in the United States - Wikipedia

Adult Obesity in the United States: The State of Obesity

6 states in the US have an obesity rating BELOW 25%, California, Utah, Colorado, Montana Hawaii and Massachusetts.

4 states are above 35%, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and West Virginia.

Obesity in the U.S. - Food Research & Action Center

"More than one-third of U.S. adults are obese (Flegal et al., 2016)."

US obesity rates 'rising for first time since 2004' - BBC News

"This latest study means they are rising again - to nearly 38% in 2013-14, up from about 32% a decade ago."

Nothing like a right winger to come on here and start making up statistics based on what they feel, rather than actually bothering to go out and find out the information that's available.

Yeah and every adult in the country knows that to lose weight you have to eat less and exercise more they simply choose not to

But this isn't just about losing weight.

Yes, people choose not to. Why?

I mean, from your perspective it would just seem like no one gives a fuck, but often there's more to it than that.

Why is obesity MUCH worse in the US than any other country? Why is it much worse in the Deep South than other parts of the country?

I don't care why people choose to eat what they eat because EVERYONE knows a diet consisting of fruits, vegetables and lean protein is better for you than a diet of Mac and cheese fast food and ice cream.

The why is easy. It's the result of the food choices they make and they make those food choices with the full knowledge that they are not eating a healthy diet.

So why doesn't it happen? Why don't people go feed their kids healthy stuff?

The four states which have the highest obesity ratings, three of them are neighbors. Is this a surprise?

48th, 47th, 44th and 42nd on the the list for high school graduation levels, the "best" of these states has 15% of kids not graduating from high school. That state happens to have the worst bachelor's degree level at 19.2%, next up is Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama are in the top 7.

Poverty plays a part too. Mississippi is 49th in the US for poverty, all these states are in the bottom 20 for poverty. I wouldn't be surprised if it is those in poverty who are the ones most likely to be afflicted by obesity, either.

Poverty and Obesity in the U.S.

"people in America who live in the most poverty-dense counties are those most prone to obesity"

"Thus, in many poverty-dense regions, people are in hunger and unable to access affordable healthy food, even when funds avail"

So, you have links with poverty to obesity. Which in turn has links with education, parenting and all of those issues.

If you want to deal with the problems of crime, if you want to deal with the problems of education, then you're going to have to deal with the issues of obesity.

Obesity is a choice. I don't know why people choose to eat like shit and never exercise but it's none of my business if they do and it's none of yours.

every fat person knows they are fat.
every fat person knows how to lose weight and eat healthier

you can't force them to make different choices

Not really, there are different types of people who are obese. Some it's because they eat badly, others because they have problems.

You say it's none of your business, but is it not your business to help people if they want help?

An educated populace impacts everyone in society. Everyone benefits from this in some way or other. Wages increase, potential levels of life increase. A poor person in rural Africa is living in a mud hut, surrounded by dust, eking out a subsistence level life. A poor person in the US gets an education and can potentially get out, they'll not be living in a mud hut and they'll possibly be able to get some sort of job that will give them a decent wage. That's the difference education can make, even at the bottom levels of society.
In Germany or other countries, less people are fat. Are the people so different? Is that what makes this such a difference? America people are more likely to "choose" to be fat? No, I don't think so. This isn't the issue here.

The issue is more that A) the diet of the country is different. The US is more and more about McDonalds, Burger King, KFC, fizzy drinks and the like. The parents have them, the kids grow up with them. They don't make the choice to eat and drink these things, these are what they eat and what they always have eaten.

In China people eat either rice or noodles, if they're from a rice place they grow up eating rice and they love rice. If they're from a noodles place they grow up eating noodles and love noodles. In Sichuan the people love spicy food, they grow up with this and they'll need spicy food their whole life. What kids eat is what they like, it's what they're comfortable with, and it's what they'll want to eat as adults. The brain adapts as a kid, and is molded by the time they're adults. If kids are growing up on a McDonald's diet, chances are this is what they'll eat as an adult.

It's not really choice, it's what you feel comfortable with. Yes, you can choose how much you eat. However I know people who never feel full. There are different levels of this problem.

Telling a person they'll be fat if they eat this food, well, does it stick in their head. They eat "just one" McDonalds, doesn't do anything. Or once a week, I'm not getting fat. Then suddenly they wake up and they're fat, and they're depressed. Too late, they're already addicted to the food. It makes them feel less depressed.

I used to eat sugar when I needed an energy spurt. Then I was finding I needed sugar every day to deal with my lack of energy. I didn't know it was the sugar that was making me feel low. Until you understand how this stuff works, you can't deal with it.

But hey, you can just come up with a simple answer "It's not my business", and that's your excuse for doing nothing, let people wallow in their own problems, let's not try and make life better for everyone, fuck everyone else, I'm an island, piss off and leave me alone.

Great attitude... not.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And how do you make the choice if you don't understand the issues?

Also, isn't it the business of the teacher AND the other students in the class? It goes way beyond individual responsibility.

here we go again

tell you what ask 1000 random people on the street if eating ice cream and candy is healthier for you than eating fruits and vegetables and get back to me

And did you read what I wrote in the first post? Did you?

People who KNOW that stuff is bad for you, then give their kids stuff with CHOCOLATE in it and then say "It's not like we're giving them chocolate, is it?" Yes, it's exactly like giving them chocolate.

The levels of ignorance among the people is massive.

Just because they know ice cream is bad for them, if you ask 1000 people on the streets WHY it's bad for them, how many of them will say because:

Sugar Decreases Attention Span and Memory
Chronic Sugar Consumption Might Permanently Impair Memory Functions
Sugary Foods Crowd Out Brain Food
Hyperactivity, yeast overgrowth leads to eczema, ear infections, throat infection and other things, addiction, hinders absorption of vitamin B (vitamin B is good for the brain) lack of vitamin B leads to a drop in blood sugar levels which can reduce oxygen to the brain which leads to the brain not working well, forgetfulness etc. Vitamin B regulates mood and behavior, increases adrenaline levels, increases anxiety and irritability. ????

I'd say, oh, about zero...

a little chocolate once in a while won't hurt a kid
a home made piece of banana bread on occasion won't hurt a kid
if a kid eats a little raw cookie dough he'll be just fine
if a kid has an ice cream cone once in a while he'll be just fine


you're the one assuming that the kid is a sugar addict with absolutely no proof

Did I say a little chocolate once in a whole won't hurt kids? Chocolate for breakfast, potato chips for lunch, more chocolate for dinner will.

The problem is this woman clearly didn't have a clue what her kids were eating, that's the issue. Take soft drinks. Parents know their kids need to drink, oh, he's a coke for a drink at school. It has a bit of sugar in it, right? How much? Dunno, just a bit. Won't do them any harm, will it? It's not chocolate.

The issue is that parents are sending their kids to school with this crap EVERY DAY.

99 out of 100 packed lunches eaten at school are unhealthy

This is from the UK, but still the same.

"99 out of 100 packed lunches eaten at school are unhealthy
Parents ignore nutritional advice because 'children don't like to eat vegetables'

the woman packed her kid's lunch so of course she knew what he was eating.

Do you know how that kid eats at home? No you don't.

and as I said we had generations of kids who ate bologna on white bread, chips and a cookie with whole milk every day for lunch and weren't fat but you can't explain that one can you?

The problem is what people see and what is there. People who are less educated see thing more differently that what is there. We can see millions of examples of this. From reporters going to poor black people and reading of McCain's policies and saying "These are Obama's policies, do you like them" and then saying "yes, I love Obama's policies", to the manager at a place I worked who bought Pepsi when he could have had free Coca-Cola all day long.

People don't think. This is the problem. Woman sees banana cake which says it's good for kids, so she buys it thinking it's good for kids. She doesn't spend the time to find out whether it is or not, she just buys it because, why not. If she were educated then maybe she'd have put a little effort into figuring a few things out, but it probably didn't occur to her to do this, why? Because she wasn't thinking about it.

Yes, I can explain the last one quite easily. There are plenty of different factors, number one is the metabolism. Some people just have a good metabolism, their body burns the fat much quicker than in other people. But the issue here wasn't just about being fat, the title of the thread is "healthy eating for kids", just because you have a good metabolism, doesn't mean you're healthy, doesn't mean the brain is working as it should, doesn't mean the problems aren't there.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Yeah and every adult in the country knows that to lose weight you have to eat less and exercise more they simply choose not to

But this isn't just about losing weight.

Yes, people choose not to. Why?

I mean, from your perspective it would just seem like no one gives a fuck, but often there's more to it than that.

Why is obesity MUCH worse in the US than any other country? Why is it much worse in the Deep South than other parts of the country?

I don't care why people choose to eat what they eat because EVERYONE knows a diet consisting of fruits, vegetables and lean protein is better for you than a diet of Mac and cheese fast food and ice cream.

The why is easy. It's the result of the food choices they make and they make those food choices with the full knowledge that they are not eating a healthy diet.

So why doesn't it happen? Why don't people go feed their kids healthy stuff?

The four states which have the highest obesity ratings, three of them are neighbors. Is this a surprise?

48th, 47th, 44th and 42nd on the the list for high school graduation levels, the "best" of these states has 15% of kids not graduating from high school. That state happens to have the worst bachelor's degree level at 19.2%, next up is Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama are in the top 7.

Poverty plays a part too. Mississippi is 49th in the US for poverty, all these states are in the bottom 20 for poverty. I wouldn't be surprised if it is those in poverty who are the ones most likely to be afflicted by obesity, either.

Poverty and Obesity in the U.S.

"people in America who live in the most poverty-dense counties are those most prone to obesity"

"Thus, in many poverty-dense regions, people are in hunger and unable to access affordable healthy food, even when funds avail"

So, you have links with poverty to obesity. Which in turn has links with education, parenting and all of those issues.

If you want to deal with the problems of crime, if you want to deal with the problems of education, then you're going to have to deal with the issues of obesity.

Obesity is a choice. I don't know why people choose to eat like shit and never exercise but it's none of my business if they do and it's none of yours.

every fat person knows they are fat.
every fat person knows how to lose weight and eat healthier

you can't force them to make different choices

Not really, there are different types of people who are obese. Some it's because they eat badly, others because they have problems.

You say it's none of your business, but is it not your business to help people if they want help?

An educated populace impacts everyone in society. Everyone benefits from this in some way or other. Wages increase, potential levels of life increase. A poor person in rural Africa is living in a mud hut, surrounded by dust, eking out a subsistence level life. A poor person in the US gets an education and can potentially get out, they'll not be living in a mud hut and they'll possibly be able to get some sort of job that will give them a decent wage. That's the difference education can make, even at the bottom levels of society.
In Germany or other countries, less people are fat. Are the people so different? Is that what makes this such a difference? America people are more likely to "choose" to be fat? No, I don't think so. This isn't the issue here.

The issue is more that A) the diet of the country is different. The US is more and more about McDonalds, Burger King, KFC, fizzy drinks and the like. The parents have them, the kids grow up with them. They don't make the choice to eat and drink these things, these are what they eat and what they always have eaten.

In China people eat either rice or noodles, if they're from a rice place they grow up eating rice and they love rice. If they're from a noodles place they grow up eating noodles and love noodles. In Sichuan the people love spicy food, they grow up with this and they'll need spicy food their whole life. What kids eat is what they like, it's what they're comfortable with, and it's what they'll want to eat as adults. The brain adapts as a kid, and is molded by the time they're adults. If kids are growing up on a McDonald's diet, chances are this is what they'll eat as an adult.

It's not really choice, it's what you feel comfortable with. Yes, you can choose how much you eat. However I know people who never feel full. There are different levels of this problem.

Telling a person they'll be fat if they eat this food, well, does it stick in their head. They eat "just one" McDonalds, doesn't do anything. Or once a week, I'm not getting fat. Then suddenly they wake up and they're fat, and they're depressed. Too late, they're already addicted to the food. It makes them feel less depressed.

I used to eat sugar when I needed an energy spurt. Then I was finding I needed sugar every day to deal with my lack of energy. I didn't know it was the sugar that was making me feel low. Until you understand how this stuff works, you can't deal with it.

But hey, you can just come up with a simple answer "It's not my business", and that's your excuse for doing nothing, let people wallow in their own problems, let's not try and make life better for everyone, fuck everyone else, I'm an island, piss off and leave me alone.

Great attitude... not.

If people want help they can get it.
There are literally millions of resources for people who want to eat better lose weight and get fit.

And why the fuck should I do anything when to you "doing" means forcing people to do what YOU want them to do.

If they wanted to do it they would.

They DON"T want to do it so they don't and no amount of government money will make them do what they DON"T want to do.

 

[Skull Pilot]

here we go again

tell you what ask 1000 random people on the street if eating ice cream and candy is healthier for you than eating fruits and vegetables and get back to me

And did you read what I wrote in the first post? Did you?

People who KNOW that stuff is bad for you, then give their kids stuff with CHOCOLATE in it and then say "It's not like we're giving them chocolate, is it?" Yes, it's exactly like giving them chocolate.

The levels of ignorance among the people is massive.

Just because they know ice cream is bad for them, if you ask 1000 people on the streets WHY it's bad for them, how many of them will say because:

Sugar Decreases Attention Span and Memory
Chronic Sugar Consumption Might Permanently Impair Memory Functions
Sugary Foods Crowd Out Brain Food
Hyperactivity, yeast overgrowth leads to eczema, ear infections, throat infection and other things, addiction, hinders absorption of vitamin B (vitamin B is good for the brain) lack of vitamin B leads to a drop in blood sugar levels which can reduce oxygen to the brain which leads to the brain not working well, forgetfulness etc. Vitamin B regulates mood and behavior, increases adrenaline levels, increases anxiety and irritability. ????

I'd say, oh, about zero...

a little chocolate once in a while won't hurt a kid
a home made piece of banana bread on occasion won't hurt a kid
if a kid eats a little raw cookie dough he'll be just fine
if a kid has an ice cream cone once in a while he'll be just fine


you're the one assuming that the kid is a sugar addict with absolutely no proof

Did I say a little chocolate once in a whole won't hurt kids? Chocolate for breakfast, potato chips for lunch, more chocolate for dinner will.

The problem is this woman clearly didn't have a clue what her kids were eating, that's the issue. Take soft drinks. Parents know their kids need to drink, oh, he's a coke for a drink at school. It has a bit of sugar in it, right? How much? Dunno, just a bit. Won't do them any harm, will it? It's not chocolate.

The issue is that parents are sending their kids to school with this crap EVERY DAY.

99 out of 100 packed lunches eaten at school are unhealthy

This is from the UK, but still the same.

"99 out of 100 packed lunches eaten at school are unhealthy
Parents ignore nutritional advice because 'children don't like to eat vegetables'

the woman packed her kid's lunch so of course she knew what he was eating.

Do you know how that kid eats at home? No you don't.

and as I said we had generations of kids who ate bologna on white bread, chips and a cookie with whole milk every day for lunch and weren't fat but you can't explain that one can you?

The problem is what people see and what is there. People who are less educated see thing more differently that what is there. We can see millions of examples of this. From reporters going to poor black people and reading of McCain's policies and saying "These are Obama's policies, do you like them" and then saying "yes, I love Obama's policies", to the manager at a place I worked who bought Pepsi when he could have had free Coca-Cola all day long.

People don't think. This is the problem. Woman sees banana cake which says it's good for kids, so she buys it thinking it's good for kids. She doesn't spend the time to find out whether it is or not, she just buys it because, why not. If she were educated then maybe she'd have put a little effort into figuring a few things out, but it probably didn't occur to her to do this, why? Because she wasn't thinking about it.

Yes, I can explain the last one quite easily. There are plenty of different factors, number one is the metabolism. Some people just have a good metabolism, their body burns the fat much quicker than in other people. But the issue here wasn't just about being fat, the title of the thread is "healthy eating for kids", just because you have a good metabolism, doesn't mean you're healthy, doesn't mean the brain is working as it should, doesn't mean the problems aren't there.

Metabolism really?

The fat asses in the country are not ALL suffering from metabolic disorders.

You'll do anything to say people are't responsible for their own health because it gives you an excuse to meddle in their lives and tell them what to do

 

[Skull Pilot]

People have known how to lose weight and this was published 150 years ago
Letter On Corpulence by William Banting -

 

[frigidweirdo]

But this isn't just about losing weight.

Yes, people choose not to. Why?

I mean, from your perspective it would just seem like no one gives a fuck, but often there's more to it than that.

Why is obesity MUCH worse in the US than any other country? Why is it much worse in the Deep South than other parts of the country?

I don't care why people choose to eat what they eat because EVERYONE knows a diet consisting of fruits, vegetables and lean protein is better for you than a diet of Mac and cheese fast food and ice cream.

The why is easy. It's the result of the food choices they make and they make those food choices with the full knowledge that they are not eating a healthy diet.

So why doesn't it happen? Why don't people go feed their kids healthy stuff?

The four states which have the highest obesity ratings, three of them are neighbors. Is this a surprise?

48th, 47th, 44th and 42nd on the the list for high school graduation levels, the "best" of these states has 15% of kids not graduating from high school. That state happens to have the worst bachelor's degree level at 19.2%, next up is Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama are in the top 7.

Poverty plays a part too. Mississippi is 49th in the US for poverty, all these states are in the bottom 20 for poverty. I wouldn't be surprised if it is those in poverty who are the ones most likely to be afflicted by obesity, either.

Poverty and Obesity in the U.S.

"people in America who live in the most poverty-dense counties are those most prone to obesity"

"Thus, in many poverty-dense regions, people are in hunger and unable to access affordable healthy food, even when funds avail"

So, you have links with poverty to obesity. Which in turn has links with education, parenting and all of those issues.

If you want to deal with the problems of crime, if you want to deal with the problems of education, then you're going to have to deal with the issues of obesity.

Obesity is a choice. I don't know why people choose to eat like shit and never exercise but it's none of my business if they do and it's none of yours.

every fat person knows they are fat.
every fat person knows how to lose weight and eat healthier

you can't force them to make different choices

Not really, there are different types of people who are obese. Some it's because they eat badly, others because they have problems.

You say it's none of your business, but is it not your business to help people if they want help?

An educated populace impacts everyone in society. Everyone benefits from this in some way or other. Wages increase, potential levels of life increase. A poor person in rural Africa is living in a mud hut, surrounded by dust, eking out a subsistence level life. A poor person in the US gets an education and can potentially get out, they'll not be living in a mud hut and they'll possibly be able to get some sort of job that will give them a decent wage. That's the difference education can make, even at the bottom levels of society.
In Germany or other countries, less people are fat. Are the people so different? Is that what makes this such a difference? America people are more likely to "choose" to be fat? No, I don't think so. This isn't the issue here.

The issue is more that A) the diet of the country is different. The US is more and more about McDonalds, Burger King, KFC, fizzy drinks and the like. The parents have them, the kids grow up with them. They don't make the choice to eat and drink these things, these are what they eat and what they always have eaten.

In China people eat either rice or noodles, if they're from a rice place they grow up eating rice and they love rice. If they're from a noodles place they grow up eating noodles and love noodles. In Sichuan the people love spicy food, they grow up with this and they'll need spicy food their whole life. What kids eat is what they like, it's what they're comfortable with, and it's what they'll want to eat as adults. The brain adapts as a kid, and is molded by the time they're adults. If kids are growing up on a McDonald's diet, chances are this is what they'll eat as an adult.

It's not really choice, it's what you feel comfortable with. Yes, you can choose how much you eat. However I know people who never feel full. There are different levels of this problem.

Telling a person they'll be fat if they eat this food, well, does it stick in their head. They eat "just one" McDonalds, doesn't do anything. Or once a week, I'm not getting fat. Then suddenly they wake up and they're fat, and they're depressed. Too late, they're already addicted to the food. It makes them feel less depressed.

I used to eat sugar when I needed an energy spurt. Then I was finding I needed sugar every day to deal with my lack of energy. I didn't know it was the sugar that was making me feel low. Until you understand how this stuff works, you can't deal with it.

But hey, you can just come up with a simple answer "It's not my business", and that's your excuse for doing nothing, let people wallow in their own problems, let's not try and make life better for everyone, fuck everyone else, I'm an island, piss off and leave me alone.

Great attitude... not.

If people want help they can get it.
There are literally millions of resources for people who want to eat better lose weight and get fit.

And why the fuck should I do anything when to you "doing" means forcing people to do what YOU want them to do.

If they wanted to do it they would.

They DON"T want to do it so they don't and no amount of government money will make them do what they DON"T want to do.

Because you seem to think that choice is the most important thing, and yet don't want people to have the ability to make choices that make more sense.

You're perfectly fine with adults treating their kids in a manner which isn't good for their health and then blaming those kids when they become adults for not getting the help, or not making good choices, but you seem to ignore the fact that there is a cycle of problems that keeps going around and getting worse with every passing generation.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And did you read what I wrote in the first post? Did you?

People who KNOW that stuff is bad for you, then give their kids stuff with CHOCOLATE in it and then say "It's not like we're giving them chocolate, is it?" Yes, it's exactly like giving them chocolate.

The levels of ignorance among the people is massive.

Just because they know ice cream is bad for them, if you ask 1000 people on the streets WHY it's bad for them, how many of them will say because:

Sugar Decreases Attention Span and Memory
Chronic Sugar Consumption Might Permanently Impair Memory Functions
Sugary Foods Crowd Out Brain Food
Hyperactivity, yeast overgrowth leads to eczema, ear infections, throat infection and other things, addiction, hinders absorption of vitamin B (vitamin B is good for the brain) lack of vitamin B leads to a drop in blood sugar levels which can reduce oxygen to the brain which leads to the brain not working well, forgetfulness etc. Vitamin B regulates mood and behavior, increases adrenaline levels, increases anxiety and irritability. ????

I'd say, oh, about zero...

a little chocolate once in a while won't hurt a kid
a home made piece of banana bread on occasion won't hurt a kid
if a kid eats a little raw cookie dough he'll be just fine
if a kid has an ice cream cone once in a while he'll be just fine


you're the one assuming that the kid is a sugar addict with absolutely no proof

Did I say a little chocolate once in a whole won't hurt kids? Chocolate for breakfast, potato chips for lunch, more chocolate for dinner will.

The problem is this woman clearly didn't have a clue what her kids were eating, that's the issue. Take soft drinks. Parents know their kids need to drink, oh, he's a coke for a drink at school. It has a bit of sugar in it, right? How much? Dunno, just a bit. Won't do them any harm, will it? It's not chocolate.

The issue is that parents are sending their kids to school with this crap EVERY DAY.

99 out of 100 packed lunches eaten at school are unhealthy

This is from the UK, but still the same.

"99 out of 100 packed lunches eaten at school are unhealthy
Parents ignore nutritional advice because 'children don't like to eat vegetables'

the woman packed her kid's lunch so of course she knew what he was eating.

Do you know how that kid eats at home? No you don't.

and as I said we had generations of kids who ate bologna on white bread, chips and a cookie with whole milk every day for lunch and weren't fat but you can't explain that one can you?

The problem is what people see and what is there. People who are less educated see thing more differently that what is there. We can see millions of examples of this. From reporters going to poor black people and reading of McCain's policies and saying "These are Obama's policies, do you like them" and then saying "yes, I love Obama's policies", to the manager at a place I worked who bought Pepsi when he could have had free Coca-Cola all day long.

People don't think. This is the problem. Woman sees banana cake which says it's good for kids, so she buys it thinking it's good for kids. She doesn't spend the time to find out whether it is or not, she just buys it because, why not. If she were educated then maybe she'd have put a little effort into figuring a few things out, but it probably didn't occur to her to do this, why? Because she wasn't thinking about it.

Yes, I can explain the last one quite easily. There are plenty of different factors, number one is the metabolism. Some people just have a good metabolism, their body burns the fat much quicker than in other people. But the issue here wasn't just about being fat, the title of the thread is "healthy eating for kids", just because you have a good metabolism, doesn't mean you're healthy, doesn't mean the brain is working as it should, doesn't mean the problems aren't there.

Metabolism really?

The fat asses in the country are not ALL suffering from metabolic disorders.

You'll do anything to say people are't responsible for their own health because it gives you an excuse to meddle in their lives and tell them what to do

Look, if you want to have a proper debate about this, we can. But this post is just not worth even responding to.

 

[frigidweirdo]

People have known how to lose weight and this was published 150 years ago
Letter On Corpulence by William Banting -

People have also known how to fly to the moon since the 1960s..... and yet only 12 have made it there. Hmm...

 

[anotherlife]

Was it their choice that their sugar was replaced by HFC and aspartame?

they still bought the food didn't they?

No, they didn't. It was not their choice that the only thing they could buy was not food but those chemicals to eat. The generation before 1979 was not in this poisoned situation, for your comparison.

it is their choice to buy the food therefore it is their choice to consume the ingredients. If they don't want to consume those ingredients they can do what I do and make everything from scratch

it doesn't really get much simpler than that

No they can't because they don't get time out of the office for cooking food.

really they work 24 7 365?

and you never heard of bringing your own lunch to work?

No, but I have heard of office managers ordering pizzas for them when the mothers stay in the office beyond 8pm.

 

[anotherlife]

And pizza is another fatso food. Also pizza is the staple food of Americans.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I don't care why people choose to eat what they eat because EVERYONE knows a diet consisting of fruits, vegetables and lean protein is better for you than a diet of Mac and cheese fast food and ice cream.

The why is easy. It's the result of the food choices they make and they make those food choices with the full knowledge that they are not eating a healthy diet.

So why doesn't it happen? Why don't people go feed their kids healthy stuff?

The four states which have the highest obesity ratings, three of them are neighbors. Is this a surprise?

48th, 47th, 44th and 42nd on the the list for high school graduation levels, the "best" of these states has 15% of kids not graduating from high school. That state happens to have the worst bachelor's degree level at 19.2%, next up is Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama are in the top 7.

Poverty plays a part too. Mississippi is 49th in the US for poverty, all these states are in the bottom 20 for poverty. I wouldn't be surprised if it is those in poverty who are the ones most likely to be afflicted by obesity, either.

Poverty and Obesity in the U.S.

"people in America who live in the most poverty-dense counties are those most prone to obesity"

"Thus, in many poverty-dense regions, people are in hunger and unable to access affordable healthy food, even when funds avail"

So, you have links with poverty to obesity. Which in turn has links with education, parenting and all of those issues.

If you want to deal with the problems of crime, if you want to deal with the problems of education, then you're going to have to deal with the issues of obesity.

Obesity is a choice. I don't know why people choose to eat like shit and never exercise but it's none of my business if they do and it's none of yours.

every fat person knows they are fat.
every fat person knows how to lose weight and eat healthier

you can't force them to make different choices

Not really, there are different types of people who are obese. Some it's because they eat badly, others because they have problems.

You say it's none of your business, but is it not your business to help people if they want help?

An educated populace impacts everyone in society. Everyone benefits from this in some way or other. Wages increase, potential levels of life increase. A poor person in rural Africa is living in a mud hut, surrounded by dust, eking out a subsistence level life. A poor person in the US gets an education and can potentially get out, they'll not be living in a mud hut and they'll possibly be able to get some sort of job that will give them a decent wage. That's the difference education can make, even at the bottom levels of society.
In Germany or other countries, less people are fat. Are the people so different? Is that what makes this such a difference? America people are more likely to "choose" to be fat? No, I don't think so. This isn't the issue here.

The issue is more that A) the diet of the country is different. The US is more and more about McDonalds, Burger King, KFC, fizzy drinks and the like. The parents have them, the kids grow up with them. They don't make the choice to eat and drink these things, these are what they eat and what they always have eaten.

In China people eat either rice or noodles, if they're from a rice place they grow up eating rice and they love rice. If they're from a noodles place they grow up eating noodles and love noodles. In Sichuan the people love spicy food, they grow up with this and they'll need spicy food their whole life. What kids eat is what they like, it's what they're comfortable with, and it's what they'll want to eat as adults. The brain adapts as a kid, and is molded by the time they're adults. If kids are growing up on a McDonald's diet, chances are this is what they'll eat as an adult.

It's not really choice, it's what you feel comfortable with. Yes, you can choose how much you eat. However I know people who never feel full. There are different levels of this problem.

Telling a person they'll be fat if they eat this food, well, does it stick in their head. They eat "just one" McDonalds, doesn't do anything. Or once a week, I'm not getting fat. Then suddenly they wake up and they're fat, and they're depressed. Too late, they're already addicted to the food. It makes them feel less depressed.

I used to eat sugar when I needed an energy spurt. Then I was finding I needed sugar every day to deal with my lack of energy. I didn't know it was the sugar that was making me feel low. Until you understand how this stuff works, you can't deal with it.

But hey, you can just come up with a simple answer "It's not my business", and that's your excuse for doing nothing, let people wallow in their own problems, let's not try and make life better for everyone, fuck everyone else, I'm an island, piss off and leave me alone.

Great attitude... not.

If people want help they can get it.
There are literally millions of resources for people who want to eat better lose weight and get fit.

And why the fuck should I do anything when to you "doing" means forcing people to do what YOU want them to do.

If they wanted to do it they would.

They DON"T want to do it so they don't and no amount of government money will make them do what they DON"T want to do.

Because you seem to think that choice is the most important thing, and yet don't want people to have the ability to make choices that make more sense.

You're perfectly fine with adults treating their kids in a manner which isn't good for their health and then blaming those kids when they become adults for not getting the help, or not making good choices, but you seem to ignore the fact that there is a cycle of problems that keeps going around and getting worse with every passing generation.

People already know how to choose healthier food

why do you think you have to show them?

The fattest unhealthiest 5th generation lard ass knows that a salad is better for him than an ice cream sundae yet he chooses to eat the ice cream.

He's fat because he wants to be fat

And sooner or later ever kid becomes responsible for his own behavior. You once again are removing that responsibility by saying it's not the fat adult's fault that he's fat.

Sorry but it is.