High Profile DOJ Alum Push Back At Barr’s Flynn Shenanigans

[JustAGuy1]

Nobody cares

Wow you cared when you accused Biden of getting a prosecutor fired just to stop a prosecution into a Ukrainian energy company.

Even though the facts proved the exact opposite.

So you care about this sort of thing when a democrat is accused of it but didn't do it.

You don't care if a republican is accused of it and actually did do it.

Ok.

You're either a russian troll or seriously hates America, our constitution and rule of law.

Hows' the weather in today in moscow comrade?

Is there any remote possibility that you understand how fucking retarded you sound when you write shit like that?

She's an order of fries short of a Happy Meal.

 

[BluesLegend]

The FBI and DOJ coerce a confession out of a citizen by bankrupting the guy and threatening to attack his son and the left cheer? The world has turned upside down. I don't care what party you call home that can't be allowed to slide.

Coerce a confession? He was caught red handed.

I remember when Democrats stood up to government tyranny, what happened to those Dems??

I remember when conservatives wanted the powerful elites to play by the same rules as the rest of us. If we lied to the FBI, our asses would be in jail. Flynn is protected because of politics.

We let Hillary off scott free so stop bitching.

 

[Billiejeens]

Unfortunately that Boy is untouchable through proper legal channels.
Fortunately he is the Poster Boy for doing things outside of proper legal channels.

 

[Billiejeens]

Another open letter. lol.

Organized by the same anti-Trump group that put out the last ones.

Give 'em sparrow points for just continuing to fly into the window over and over again, I guess.

I dunno
They won Dana over.

 

[colfax_m]

Maybe. But then again half of Trump’s cabinet and his SCOTUS appointees should be in jail too.

As difficult as it is, my humble advice is to try not to go down the whataboutism rabbit hole.

It's just another in the endless attempts by Trump cultists to change the subject.

The real problem these "alumni", these people that got fired from the DOJ have, is that they have read Trump's 10 rules for living, and #9 is "Get Even".

They tried to sabotage their President, tried to destroy him and failed. Now, there will be Heck to pay.

The two individuals were not fired. They resigned rather than put up with the trashing of the department.

You’ve been caught in a lie.

 

[colfax_m]

The FBI and DOJ coerce a confession out of a citizen by bankrupting the guy and threatening to attack his son and the left cheer? The world has turned upside down. I don't care what party you call home that can't be allowed to slide.

Coerce a confession? He was caught red handed.

I remember when Democrats stood up to government tyranny, what happened to those Dems??

I remember when conservatives wanted the powerful elites to play by the same rules as the rest of us. If we lied to the FBI, our asses would be in jail. Flynn is protected because of politics.

We let Hillary off scott free so stop bitching.

Because there was no case against here. Unlike Flynn.

 

[berg80]

Look fuckwit, how many times do you have to be embarrassed? Barr did not do the investigation leading to the dropping of charges.

Right. He chose a lackey to do it. Does that make a difference to you? Jensen was the only signatory to the report to Barr. No career prosecutor signed on. The material Barr used (ultimately it was Barr's decision you foolish dope) to justify dropping the charges against Flynn have been thoroughly gone over by hundreds of former DOJ prosecutors from both parties. They say it's a sham............because it is.

Surely none of this can possibly come as a surprise. Barr is Trump's bagman. We've known that ever since he tried to protect Big Fat Don from Mueller's damning findings.

 

[Billiejeens]

We are witnessing the slow motion degradation of what is arguably the most important of all the government agencies.

Barr has sealed his place as the most corrupt AG in the history of the country. And it's not even close. Not even John Mitchell was this corrupt.

Delusion
Just fucking delusion.

 

[Billiejeens]

This is interesting.

Nearly 2000 former DOJ employees have signed this letter so far and the list is only going to grow.

Here's the letter:

DOJ Alumni Statement on Flynn Case

We, the undersigned, are alumni of the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) who have collectively served both Republican and…

medium.com

Great .. a list of traitor Dems and assholes involved in undermining America and of course President Trump for the sedition party political machine.

... and you seem sooo happy and proud to play your pawny part.. congratulations..

Sure makes it seem like Trump was right and the DOJ is/was filled with Democrat political operatives...
.

Lets get something straight AH Trump is a lying low life POS as are most of his supporters

Well, that definition certainly seems to fit you

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So once again, thousands of career prosecutors protesting is just "anti trump furor", per the cultists. What a fucking embarrassment they are. A truly historical embarrassment.

 

[colfax_m]

Look fuckwit, how many times do you have to be embarrassed? Barr did not do the investigation leading to the dropping of charges.

Right. He chose a lackey to do it. Does that make a difference to you? Jensen was the only signatory to the report to Barr. No career prosecutor signed on. The material Barr used (ultimately it was Barr's decision you foolish dope) to justify dropping the charges against Flynn have been thoroughly gone over by hundreds of former DOJ prosecutors from both parties. They say it's a sham............because it is.

Surely none of this can possibly come as a surprise. Barr is Trump's bagman. We've known that ever since he tried to protect Big Fat Don from Mueller's damning findings.

They couldn’t find a single career prosecutor to sign on. They’re not even trying to hide the politicization.

This is exactly why we had an independent counsel in the first place.

 

[Billiejeens]

More than 1,900 former Justice Department employees on Monday repeated a call for William P. Barr to step down as attorney general, asserting in an open letter he had “once again assaulted the rule of law” by moving to drop the case against President Trump’s former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn.


The letter, organized by the nonprofit group Protect Democrats was signed by Justice Department staffers serving in Republican and Democratic administrations dating back to President Dwight D. Eisenhower. The vast majority were former career staffers — rather than political appointees — who worked as federal prosecutors or supervisors at U.S. Attorney’s Offices across the country or the Justice Department in downtown Washington.

MSN

www.msn.com

Organized by Protect Democrats -
That makes sense, actually.

 

[Billiejeens]

So once again, thousands of career prosecutors protesting is just "anti trump furor", per the cultists. What a fucking embarrassment they are. A truly historical embarrassment.

They were all Deep State - dumbfuck.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Organized by Protect Democrats

In other words, you couldn't argue against a single word of the document if your life depended on it. So we get treated to your whiny moron shallow analysis.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Unfortunately, the credibility of the DOJ and the FBI is in the shitter at this point.

Just about everything Obama and Fingers Joe touched is in the shitter.

 

[Billiejeens]

Organized by Protect Democrats

In other words, you couldn't argue against a single word of the document if your life depended on it. So we get treated to your whiny moron shallow analysis.

Gesundheit

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Organized by Protect Democrats

In other words, you couldn't argue against a single word of the document if your life depended on it. So we get treated to your whiny moron shallow analysis.

Gesundheit

Go ahead, try to argue against any of it. So we can all laugh at you.

 

[Billiejeens]

Organized by Protect Democrats

In other words, you couldn't argue against a single word of the document if your life depended on it. So we get treated to your whiny moron shallow analysis.

Gesundheit

Go ahead, try to argue against any of it. So we can all laugh at you.

I don't know if you will understand this - I am thinking - that it's no, you will not.
What they have written is simply a record of them having a different opinion.
I can't argue against their opinion.
Their Opinion is simply theirs.
Since their opinion has little to no value in today's world -
It just something for like minded people to say-
yeah, there see.
(pats FFI's head)

 

[miketx]

Two former Justice Department officials who were directly involved in the Russia investigation have now spoken out publicly against Attorney General Bill Barr’s decision to drop the Michael Flynn case.

Mary McCord, who served as acting assistant attorney general for national security at the start of the probe, accused Barr of “twist[ing]” her words in the legal motions the Department filed to ask that Flynn’s case be dismissed.

Jonathan Kravis — a DOJ prosecutor who resigned after Barr meddled in the Roger Stone case — called last week’s Flynn maneuver “equally appalling.”

High Profile DOJ Alum Push Back At Barr’s Flynn Shenanigans

Two former Justice Department officials who were directly involved in the Russia investigation have now spoken out publicly against Attorney General Bill Barr's decision to drop the Michael Flynn case.

talkingpointsmemo.com

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Okay, it's time for the reflexive response of Trumpleheads to kick in to gear. JUST LIKE ALL CRITICS OF TRUMP FROM EITHER PARTY these officials will get the "deep state" treatment for having the audacity to speak the truth.

After all, it isn't difficult to dismantle Billy the Bagman's deceit. You just have to pay attention to the facts.


Did the DOJ have all the justification it needed to question Flynn about his contacts with Kislyak?

Yes. It was within their jurisdiction to follow up on the Flynn-Kislyak conversation, along with Flynn’s false statements to Pence and Spicer. At a minimum the fact that the Russian government would know that Flynn had lied left him open to potential blackmail by a hostile foreign power............surely a realistic counterintelligence concern.

Was the FBI authorized to do this investigation even if the prior investigation in to whether Flynn was a Russian operative had been closed?

Yes. The standard for opening an assessment is quite low. It is explicitly less than “‘information or an allegation’ indicating the existence of ... [a]n activity constituting ... a threat to national security,” which is required to open a preliminary investigation (DIOG 6.5). Opening an assessment requires only that there be an “authorized purpose” and a “clearly defined objective” for the assessment. In particular, the DIOG makes clear that an assessment is appropriate when “there is reason to collect information or facts to determine whether there is ... a national security threat” (DIOG 5.1; emphasis added). And as part of an assessment, the FBI is allowed to conduct interviews, including of the possible subject or target (DIOG 18.5.6).

Billy the Bagman has made the horseshit argument that when the FBI—aware of extensive Russian interference in U.S. politics in order to benefit the Trump campaign—learned that the incoming national security adviser requested that Russia not respond to the sanctions that were imposed in response to that interference and then lied to other government officials about that, it could not even “collect information or facts to determine” whether this created a counterintelligence threat.

Is the use of prosecution of Flynn's son as leverage grounds for dismissal of the case?

No. Leaning on a potential defendant for cooperation using the criminal liability of family members as leverage is not unheard of. This does not mean the practice is beyond criticism—but the handling of Flynn’s case is not some kind of aberration, let alone the sort of conscience-shocking thing that might justify a dismissal.

And to the extent any nod-and-a-wink arrangement on Flynn Jr. would raise any kind of Giglio issue, it certainly does not with respect to Flynn, who was obviously aware of the predicament his son faced and any role of his plea in alleviating it. That issue would only arise, as the Covington email reflects, if Flynn’s testimony were used against someone else and any arrangement with respect to his son were not disclosed.

Flynn’s consulting group, with which his son was employed, engaged in practices that raised legal questions under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, exposing both father and son to potential criminal liability.

Are any of the documents found in Jensen's review of the case grounds for dismissal?

No. The way the documents suggest that FBI officials discussed the case and made adjustments to their plans is typical of criminal investigations, former federal prosecutors say, even if seeing these internal discussions put in writing isn’t as common.

More importantly, the documents don’t make the false statements Flynn pleaded guilty to — lying to the FBI about his conversations with then-Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak — any less false. Nor are they the kinds of documents that prosecutors were legally obligated to produce for Flynn’s lawyers.

Is Flynn's motion to withdraw his guilty plea defensible? Yes.

Is Flynn's motion to throw the case out due to prosecutorial malfeasance defensible?

No. Flynn’s new lawyer cites notes given to her by Jensen, which were presumably written by then-FBI counterintelligence chief Bill Priestap, as supposed smoking-gun evidence that the FBI was seeking to entrap Flynn in a lie. The trouble with that argument is that absolutely nothing forced Flynn not to tell the truth in that interview. And while FBI officials appear to have discussed the strategic purpose of the interview, there’s nothing whatsoever wrong with that.

Flynn Redux: What Those FBI Documents Really Show
A lot of people seem to be expecting Michael Flynn's sudden vindication. They should take a deep breath.

www.lawfareblog.com

Why The Latest Flynn Entrapment Claims Are As Bogus As The Last Ones
The pandemic has changed many things, but it has not changed Michael Flynn’s habit of overhyping claims of FBI entrapment...
talkingpointsmemo.com

The Justice Department’s Faulty Arguments in the Flynn Case
Under the logic of the government’s motion to dismiss the charges against Michael Flynn, the FBI can’t investigate whether someone is a Russian agent unless it already has evidence that the person is a Russian agent.

www.lawfareblog.com

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I can't argue against their opinion.

Right, because you never read it and probably couldn't understand it if you did. Of course, the opinion is argued, and you would then argue that the opinion is false by attacking their arguments and by making your own.

Rational, educated adults can do this. That leaves you out. And, apparently, it also leaves out every other trump cultist in this thread.

Sorry i offended your delicate sensibilities by asking you to do something that adults can do. Lesson learned.