hmmm..gun crime is going down...as more people own and carry guns....

[2aguy]

Apparently, gun crime is on the decline....anti gunners, you may start weeping now, your strongest tool, dead, innocent men, women and children may be decreasing in number....

Gun Crime Trends In The United States Extrano s Alley a gun blog

Someone came by searching for “gun crime trends in the united states.

I will have a graphic of gun related crimes reported to the FBI after the Uniform Crime Report for 2013 makes its appearance.

However, Table 2 of the Bureau of Justice Statistics National Crime Survey shows gun related crime declined from 427,700 in 2012 to 290,620 in 2013.(pdf)

That is a decline in the victimization rate from 180 to 130 per 100,000 Americans aged 12 years and older. That is a 27.7 percent decline in total gun related crime in one year.

More spectacularly, the CVS’ Table 2 reports there were an estimated 552,040 crimes committed or facilitated with a gun 1n 2006, for a 47.26 percent decline in eight years.

Why? When all else has been eliminated, what remains must be the truth. All else has been eliminated, and the only credible reason for the decline is the purchase of some 73 million new guns in that eight year period.

The factors that should increase violent crime rates such as earlier release, the end of “three strikes,” the declining arrest rates and other factors are more than nullified by the increasing numbers of people arming themselves for their own protection.

This is, of course, the other side of the gun debate that the anti gunners never mention....we have more people buying and carrying guns for protection...and the violent crime rate is going down, not up....

So, once we get control of violent criminal gangs in democrat controlled inner cities...which make up most of our violent crime rate, we will have violent crime levels comparable to Europe....

Without giving up our guns....

 

[S.J.]

And the liberals will say "Yeah, but, uh....."

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"hmmm..gun crime is going down...as more people own and carry guns...."

...the OP's thread fails as a post hoc fallacy.

 

[Mr. H.]

And the liberals will say "Yeah, but, uh....."

There's ALWAYS a "yeah, but" in the Liberal lexicon.

They will but and rebut until suddenly their world view is the only correct view. And the Liberal media spreads the bullshit like wildfire.

 

[Care4all]

Apparently, gun crime is on the decline....anti gunners, you may start weeping now, your strongest tool, dead, innocent men, women and children may be decreasing in number....

Gun Crime Trends In The United States Extrano s Alley a gun blog

Someone came by searching for “gun crime trends in the united states.

I will have a graphic of gun related crimes reported to the FBI after the Uniform Crime Report for 2013 makes its appearance.

However, Table 2 of the Bureau of Justice Statistics National Crime Survey shows gun related crime declined from 427,700 in 2012 to 290,620 in 2013.(pdf)

That is a decline in the victimization rate from 180 to 130 per 100,000 Americans aged 12 years and older. That is a 27.7 percent decline in total gun related crime in one year.

More spectacularly, the CVS’ Table 2 reports there were an estimated 552,040 crimes committed or facilitated with a gun 1n 2006, for a 47.26 percent decline in eight years.

Why? When all else has been eliminated, what remains must be the truth. All else has been eliminated, and the only credible reason for the decline is the purchase of some 73 million new guns in that eight year period.

The factors that should increase violent crime rates such as earlier release, the end of “three strikes,” the declining arrest rates and other factors are more than nullified by the increasing numbers of people arming themselves for their own protection.

This is, of course, the other side of the gun debate that the anti gunners never mention....we have more people buying and carrying guns for protection...and the violent crime rate is going down, not up....

So, once we get control of violent criminal gangs in democrat controlled inner cities...which make up most of our violent crime rate, we will have violent crime levels comparable to Europe....

Without giving up our guns....

GUN Ownership is declining in the USA. The fewer that do own guns, own more of them.

THAT could be part of this conundrum that the 'gun bloggers' didn't consider.....

fewer Americans own guns now, according to the stats....

Analysis Fewer U.S. gun owners own more guns - CNN.com

 

[Montrovant]

Maybe I'm missing something, but how does 8 years worth of gun purchases equate to a 1 year decline in gun related crimes? Were the guns on some sort of long layaway until 2013?

This isn't any sort of comment on the efficacy of gun ownership as it relates to crime prevention, merely a comment on the seeming inconsistency of the statistics being given and the conclusion drawn from them.

 

[S.J.]

Apparently, gun crime is on the decline....anti gunners, you may start weeping now, your strongest tool, dead, innocent men, women and children may be decreasing in number....

Gun Crime Trends In The United States Extrano s Alley a gun blog

Someone came by searching for “gun crime trends in the united states.

I will have a graphic of gun related crimes reported to the FBI after the Uniform Crime Report for 2013 makes its appearance.

However, Table 2 of the Bureau of Justice Statistics National Crime Survey shows gun related crime declined from 427,700 in 2012 to 290,620 in 2013.(pdf)

That is a decline in the victimization rate from 180 to 130 per 100,000 Americans aged 12 years and older. That is a 27.7 percent decline in total gun related crime in one year.

More spectacularly, the CVS’ Table 2 reports there were an estimated 552,040 crimes committed or facilitated with a gun 1n 2006, for a 47.26 percent decline in eight years.

Why? When all else has been eliminated, what remains must be the truth. All else has been eliminated, and the only credible reason for the decline is the purchase of some 73 million new guns in that eight year period.

The factors that should increase violent crime rates such as earlier release, the end of “three strikes,” the declining arrest rates and other factors are more than nullified by the increasing numbers of people arming themselves for their own protection.

This is, of course, the other side of the gun debate that the anti gunners never mention....we have more people buying and carrying guns for protection...and the violent crime rate is going down, not up....

So, once we get control of violent criminal gangs in democrat controlled inner cities...which make up most of our violent crime rate, we will have violent crime levels comparable to Europe....

Without giving up our guns....

GUN Ownership is declining in the USA. The fewer that do own guns, own more of them.

THAT could be part of this conundrum that the 'gun bloggers' didn't consider.....

fewer Americans own guns now, according to the stats....

Analysis Fewer U.S. gun owners own more guns - CNN.com

Doesn't matter if they own them or not, open carry laws mean you don't know who may be packing. The result? Less crime. Criminals won't approach you if they think you may be carrying a gun.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"...as more people own and carry guns..."

Wrong.

Gun ownership is has been decreasing:

'The household gun ownership rate has fallen from an average of 50 percent in the 1970s to 49 percent in the 1980s, 43 percent in the 1990s and 35 percent in the 2000s, according to the survey data, analyzed by The New York Times.

The findings contrast with the impression left by a flurry of news reports about people rushing to buy guns and clearing shop shelves of assault rifles after the massacre last year at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.

“There are all these claims that gun ownership is going through the roof,” said Daniel Webster, the director of theJohns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research. “But I suspect the increase in gun sales has been limited mostly to current gun owners. The most reputable surveys show a decline over time in the share of households with guns.”'

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us/rate-of-gun-ownership-is-down-survey-shows.html?pagewanted=all

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

"hmmm..gun crime is going down...as more people own and carry guns...."

...the OP's thread fails as a post hoc fallacy.

You are so stupid.
Is gun ownership up? Yes. Is gun crime down? Yes

Ipso facto, no post hoc fallacy

 

[Care4all]

"hmmm..gun crime is going down...as more people own and carry guns...."

...the OP's thread fails as a post hoc fallacy.

You are so stupid.
Is gun ownership up? Yes. Is gun crime down? Yes

Ipso facto, no post hoc fallacy

no no and no.... the op was incorrect in his assumption that more people own guns.

GUN OWNERSHIP IS NOT UP. There are FEWER OWNERS of guns, which MEANS gun ownership is down, not up.

More people DO NOT OWN GUNS NOW....

LESS people own guns now....than 10, 20, 30 years ago.

I don't know how many ways this can be said...?

I think the op and the gun bloggers he quoted, believe that because more guns are being sold, that means that more people own guns, but it is quite the OPPOSITE.

FEWER citizens own guns today, but those households that DO OWN GUNS, own many more of them.

 

[Care4all]

Apparently, gun crime is on the decline....anti gunners, you may start weeping now, your strongest tool, dead, innocent men, women and children may be decreasing in number....

Gun Crime Trends In The United States Extrano s Alley a gun blog

Someone came by searching for “gun crime trends in the united states.

I will have a graphic of gun related crimes reported to the FBI after the Uniform Crime Report for 2013 makes its appearance.

However, Table 2 of the Bureau of Justice Statistics National Crime Survey shows gun related crime declined from 427,700 in 2012 to 290,620 in 2013.(pdf)

That is a decline in the victimization rate from 180 to 130 per 100,000 Americans aged 12 years and older. That is a 27.7 percent decline in total gun related crime in one year.

More spectacularly, the CVS’ Table 2 reports there were an estimated 552,040 crimes committed or facilitated with a gun 1n 2006, for a 47.26 percent decline in eight years.

Why? When all else has been eliminated, what remains must be the truth. All else has been eliminated, and the only credible reason for the decline is the purchase of some 73 million new guns in that eight year period.

The factors that should increase violent crime rates such as earlier release, the end of “three strikes,” the declining arrest rates and other factors are more than nullified by the increasing numbers of people arming themselves for their own protection.

This is, of course, the other side of the gun debate that the anti gunners never mention....we have more people buying and carrying guns for protection...and the violent crime rate is going down, not up....

So, once we get control of violent criminal gangs in democrat controlled inner cities...which make up most of our violent crime rate, we will have violent crime levels comparable to Europe....

Without giving up our guns....

GUN Ownership is declining in the USA. The fewer that do own guns, own more of them.

THAT could be part of this conundrum that the 'gun bloggers' didn't consider.....

fewer Americans own guns now, according to the stats....

Analysis Fewer U.S. gun owners own more guns - CNN.com

Doesn't matter if they own them or not, open carry laws mean you don't know who may be packing. The result? Less crime. Criminals won't approach you if they think you may be carrying a gun.

doesn't open carry require your gun to be visible? So everyone can see if you have a gun?

have these laws changed?

my state has always been open carry...except in a bar, a school, or a court...and up to a business to make their own rules...

 

[Vigilante]

 

[jon_berzerk]

Apparently, gun crime is on the decline....anti gunners, you may start weeping now, your strongest tool, dead, innocent men, women and children may be decreasing in number....

Gun Crime Trends In The United States Extrano s Alley a gun blog

Someone came by searching for “gun crime trends in the united states.

I will have a graphic of gun related crimes reported to the FBI after the Uniform Crime Report for 2013 makes its appearance.

However, Table 2 of the Bureau of Justice Statistics National Crime Survey shows gun related crime declined from 427,700 in 2012 to 290,620 in 2013.(pdf)

That is a decline in the victimization rate from 180 to 130 per 100,000 Americans aged 12 years and older. That is a 27.7 percent decline in total gun related crime in one year.

More spectacularly, the CVS’ Table 2 reports there were an estimated 552,040 crimes committed or facilitated with a gun 1n 2006, for a 47.26 percent decline in eight years.

Why? When all else has been eliminated, what remains must be the truth. All else has been eliminated, and the only credible reason for the decline is the purchase of some 73 million new guns in that eight year period.

The factors that should increase violent crime rates such as earlier release, the end of “three strikes,” the declining arrest rates and other factors are more than nullified by the increasing numbers of people arming themselves for their own protection.

This is, of course, the other side of the gun debate that the anti gunners never mention....we have more people buying and carrying guns for protection...and the violent crime rate is going down, not up....

So, once we get control of violent criminal gangs in democrat controlled inner cities...which make up most of our violent crime rate, we will have violent crime levels comparable to Europe....

Without giving up our guns....

GUN Ownership is declining in the USA. The fewer that do own guns, own more of them.

THAT could be part of this conundrum that the 'gun bloggers' didn't consider.....

fewer Americans own guns now, according to the stats....

Analysis Fewer U.S. gun owners own more guns - CNN.com

Doesn't matter if they own them or not, open carry laws mean you don't know who may be packing. The result? Less crime. Criminals won't approach you if they think you may be carrying a gun.

doesn't open carry require your gun to be visible? So everyone can see if you have a gun?

have these laws changed?

my state has always been open carry...except in a bar, a school, or a court...and up to a business to make their own rules...

out here "open carry" means in plain sight

whether it be on the body or in the vehicle

which is legal in this state

 

[S.J.]

Apparently, gun crime is on the decline....anti gunners, you may start weeping now, your strongest tool, dead, innocent men, women and children may be decreasing in number....

Gun Crime Trends In The United States Extrano s Alley a gun blog

Someone came by searching for “gun crime trends in the united states.

I will have a graphic of gun related crimes reported to the FBI after the Uniform Crime Report for 2013 makes its appearance.

However, Table 2 of the Bureau of Justice Statistics National Crime Survey shows gun related crime declined from 427,700 in 2012 to 290,620 in 2013.(pdf)

That is a decline in the victimization rate from 180 to 130 per 100,000 Americans aged 12 years and older. That is a 27.7 percent decline in total gun related crime in one year.

More spectacularly, the CVS’ Table 2 reports there were an estimated 552,040 crimes committed or facilitated with a gun 1n 2006, for a 47.26 percent decline in eight years.

Why? When all else has been eliminated, what remains must be the truth. All else has been eliminated, and the only credible reason for the decline is the purchase of some 73 million new guns in that eight year period.

The factors that should increase violent crime rates such as earlier release, the end of “three strikes,” the declining arrest rates and other factors are more than nullified by the increasing numbers of people arming themselves for their own protection.

This is, of course, the other side of the gun debate that the anti gunners never mention....we have more people buying and carrying guns for protection...and the violent crime rate is going down, not up....

So, once we get control of violent criminal gangs in democrat controlled inner cities...which make up most of our violent crime rate, we will have violent crime levels comparable to Europe....

Without giving up our guns....

GUN Ownership is declining in the USA. The fewer that do own guns, own more of them.

THAT could be part of this conundrum that the 'gun bloggers' didn't consider.....

fewer Americans own guns now, according to the stats....

Analysis Fewer U.S. gun owners own more guns - CNN.com

Doesn't matter if they own them or not, open carry laws mean you don't know who may be packing. The result? Less crime. Criminals won't approach you if they think you may be carrying a gun.

doesn't open carry require your gun to be visible? So everyone can see if you have a gun?

have these laws changed?

my state has always been open carry...except in a bar, a school, or a court...and up to a business to make their own rules...

Open carry, concealed carry. Either way, they ain't gonna mess with ya.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[2aguy]

sorry, you are wrong....the study done on gun ownership was wrong...Ncis checks are,up and enrollment in gun classes,are,up...

Mythbusting Gun Ownership Is On the Decline in the U.S. - The Truth About Guns

1. Gun sales are up and have been for a number of years. Certainly a good percentage of this increase is attributable to existing gun owners adding to their collections and the proposed anti-gun legislation in early 2013 certainly stoked the fires. On the other hand, the number of NRA instructors certified to teach the basic NRA classes has increased by nearly 66% over the past five years. Experienced gun owners adding to their collections generally don’t drive demand for introductory courses. New gun owners do.

So, where does that leave us? On the one hand, while the evidence that suggests gun ownership being on the rise is anecdotal, there is also a lack of unambiguous data to support the New York Times’ contention that ownership is on the decline. While the anti-gun crowd likes to spout the term, “Common Sense,” many of that persuasion repeatedly demonstrate a complete lack of it. Yes, there is one major poll that concludes that gun ownership is on the decline, but a second major poll sharply disagrees with that conclusion and the increases in NICS checks and number of certified NRA instructors certainly suggests a conclusion other than what the Times arrived at. So the next time, you hear someone talk about how gun owners are on the decline, you can show them how much of a low information voter they really are.

 

[ninja007]

its a shame I tell ya. Libs are upset that criminals are not the only ones that can carry guns.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

"hmmm..gun crime is going down...as more people own and carry guns...."

...the OP's thread fails as a post hoc fallacy.

So facts are hard for you to grasp C_Clayton_Jones

 

[auditor0007]

Apparently, gun crime is on the decline....anti gunners, you may start weeping now, your strongest tool, dead, innocent men, women and children may be decreasing in number....

Gun Crime Trends In The United States Extrano s Alley a gun blog

Someone came by searching for “gun crime trends in the united states.

I will have a graphic of gun related crimes reported to the FBI after the Uniform Crime Report for 2013 makes its appearance.

However, Table 2 of the Bureau of Justice Statistics National Crime Survey shows gun related crime declined from 427,700 in 2012 to 290,620 in 2013.(pdf)

That is a decline in the victimization rate from 180 to 130 per 100,000 Americans aged 12 years and older. That is a 27.7 percent decline in total gun related crime in one year.

More spectacularly, the CVS’ Table 2 reports there were an estimated 552,040 crimes committed or facilitated with a gun 1n 2006, for a 47.26 percent decline in eight years.

Why? When all else has been eliminated, what remains must be the truth. All else has been eliminated, and the only credible reason for the decline is the purchase of some 73 million new guns in that eight year period.

The factors that should increase violent crime rates such as earlier release, the end of “three strikes,” the declining arrest rates and other factors are more than nullified by the increasing numbers of people arming themselves for their own protection.

This is, of course, the other side of the gun debate that the anti gunners never mention....we have more people buying and carrying guns for protection...and the violent crime rate is going down, not up....

So, once we get control of violent criminal gangs in democrat controlled inner cities...which make up most of our violent crime rate, we will have violent crime levels comparable to Europe....

Without giving up our guns....

This is the argument you are going to use? To begin with, a very big percentage of gun crimes are poor on poor crimes, mostly involving gang members. Secondly, crime as a whole tends to go down when the economy gets better. The economy has been getting much better, so surprise, the crime rate is dropping.

 

[S.J.]

Apparently, gun crime is on the decline....anti gunners, you may start weeping now, your strongest tool, dead, innocent men, women and children may be decreasing in number....

Gun Crime Trends In The United States Extrano s Alley a gun blog

Someone came by searching for “gun crime trends in the united states.

I will have a graphic of gun related crimes reported to the FBI after the Uniform Crime Report for 2013 makes its appearance.

However, Table 2 of the Bureau of Justice Statistics National Crime Survey shows gun related crime declined from 427,700 in 2012 to 290,620 in 2013.(pdf)

That is a decline in the victimization rate from 180 to 130 per 100,000 Americans aged 12 years and older. That is a 27.7 percent decline in total gun related crime in one year.

More spectacularly, the CVS’ Table 2 reports there were an estimated 552,040 crimes committed or facilitated with a gun 1n 2006, for a 47.26 percent decline in eight years.

Why? When all else has been eliminated, what remains must be the truth. All else has been eliminated, and the only credible reason for the decline is the purchase of some 73 million new guns in that eight year period.

The factors that should increase violent crime rates such as earlier release, the end of “three strikes,” the declining arrest rates and other factors are more than nullified by the increasing numbers of people arming themselves for their own protection.

This is, of course, the other side of the gun debate that the anti gunners never mention....we have more people buying and carrying guns for protection...and the violent crime rate is going down, not up....

So, once we get control of violent criminal gangs in democrat controlled inner cities...which make up most of our violent crime rate, we will have violent crime levels comparable to Europe....

Without giving up our guns....

This is the argument you are going to use? To begin with, a very big percentage of gun crimes are poor on poor crimes, mostly involving gang members. Secondly, crime as a whole tends to go down when the economy gets better. The economy has been getting much better, so surprise, the crime rate is dropping.

Wrong, it's not dropping in the inner cities and the economy is not "getting much better".