Holding the Hammer Over States

[eagle1462010]

Silly. States don't want the federal government running their tax offices.

aka.........if they refused to send the Feds the money the Feds would swoop in and seize power..................

Mr. Fakey................

The taxes are paid by all people in every State.............the Fed gets the money from them and then pays the bills..............aka since Maine pays taxes they pay for the program already....................Kinda fucks the theory of the Federal Gov't giving States money...............The State pays for it Fakey.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Don't bite the hand that feeds your citizens.

What the fuck? How does a picture on an EBT card prevent any lawful recipient from using it to feed themselves?

Better question, why can't the citizens feed themselves?

The photo ID insures that only the proper recipient may use the card.
Have you any clue as to the rampant fraud that takes place?
People selling their EBT cards for cash. All kinds of fraudulent activity.

Yes, white collar fraud and tax cheats get orders of magnitude more than poor folks on food stamps. But you'll not likely find racist right wingers criticizing them.

Why would they be critical of their kind of folks?

 

[eagle1462010]

Don't bite the hand that feeds your citizens.

What the fuck? How does a picture on an EBT card prevent any lawful recipient from using it to feed themselves?

Better question, why can't the citizens feed themselves?

The photo ID insures that only the proper recipient may use the card.
Have you any clue as to the rampant fraud that takes place?
People selling their EBT cards for cash. All kinds of fraudulent activity.

Yes, white collar fraud and tax cheats get orders of magnitude more than poor folks on food stamps. But you'll not likely find racist right wingers criticizing them.

Why would they be critical of their kind of folks?

It's a GOP Governor's executive order...........

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Don't bite the hand that feeds your citizens.

What the fuck? How does a picture on an EBT card prevent any lawful recipient from using it to feed themselves?

Better question, why can't the citizens feed themselves?

Why not have that one more level of security of the taxpayer's money?

If you want that then you issue everyone in the US a Federal photo ID, and demand it for all things. Problem solved.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Don't bite the hand that feeds your citizens.

What the fuck? How does a picture on an EBT card prevent any lawful recipient from using it to feed themselves?

Better question, why can't the citizens feed themselves?

That is a good question. Study Capitalism and you'll find the answer.

And if the Feds say what you are requiring goes against the program, that is their right since they are the ones cutting the checks.

That's right. All they do is cut the checks. It is OUR money they are giving them and we say they should have pictures on the ID's to prevent the fraud.

Lucky for them then that what you say doesn't matter...

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Don't bite the hand that feeds your citizens.

What the fuck? How does a picture on an EBT card prevent any lawful recipient from using it to feed themselves?

Better question, why can't the citizens feed themselves?

That is a good question. Study Capitalism and you'll find the answer.

And if the Feds say what you are requiring goes against the program, that is their right since they are the ones cutting the checks.

LOL..Is it you contention that capitalism prevents certain people from being able to feed themselves?
Wow. I've seen stupid before. That idea is world class stupid.

Full employment in capitalism is 5% unemployment. Learn it.

 

[thereisnospoon]

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Since all the food stamp money is paid by the feds, I'm fine with forcing Maine or any other state to make it easy for hungry people to get help.

The problem you have is so many food stamp recipients are gaming the system.
That in most cases income levels are not verified. We are spending hundreds of billions of dollars on social programs where no one is holding the recipients accountable to provide factual information as to their income status.
Case....IN a city nearby, a couple who had adopted a young girl, were recently convicted of welfare fraud, mail fraud, obtaining federal relief through false pretenses and other charges.
They had been doing this for at least two years.
Now, the nuts and bolts....The girl disappeared. The girl's older adoptive brother reported the girl's absence to authorities. A case was opened. The adoptive parents insisted the girl was under the care of her adoptive grandmother. Federal authorities investigated to find that the grandmother did not exist.
A criminal investigation was opened with the idea there was foul play. TO date the girl has never been found. It is now a cold case.
The point is, save for the investigation of the girl missing, the federal government would never have known the adoptive parents were defrauding the government.
Casey Parsons adoptive mother of missing child pleads guilty to financial fraud CharlotteObserver.com
Father of missing teen Erica Parsons found guilty of financial fraud CharlotteObserver.com
As far as I am concerned these tow soulless jerks deserve to rot in prison for the rest of their miserable lives.
They are scum. They killed that girl. Or they had her killed.
Sooner or later, they will be charged with her murder and I hope they hang.

The vast majority of recipients honestly need help. There are tax cheats, bankers who rip us off, doctors and hospitals that cheat, car dealers that take advantage of poor folks, etc. Those cost us far more than some poor person on food stamps.

I disagree. Many of those on the public dole are too comfortable. They could work but refuse to do so because it is easier to be a drain on society.
And no, you're justification defense is invalid.
The taxpayers do not deserve punishment juts because you are pissed off at law enforcement.
BTW, if the federal government did it's job to put into prison those who commit fraud on individuals, you would not be here complaining.
So in effect, the very government you support for it's forced charity is the very same government that causes your angst.
So how dare you look to the taxpayers as your personal box of Pamprin for relief?
Because your argument is "used car dealers and bankers commit crimes against individuals therefore the taxpayers should just pay up and shut up, These people need help"...
Now if that is not the most stupid argument for lax enforcement of anti fraud statutes, there is no other.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Don't bite the hand that feeds your citizens.

What the fuck? How does a picture on an EBT card prevent any lawful recipient from using it to feed themselves?

Better question, why can't the citizens feed themselves?

The photo ID insures that only the proper recipient may use the card.
Have you any clue as to the rampant fraud that takes place?
People selling their EBT cards for cash. All kinds of fraudulent activity.

You need to learn how to read.

You need to present a substantive rather than an emotional argument.
You have none, So you've entered "shut up" territory.

Don't bite the hand that feeds your citizens.

What the fuck? How does a picture on an EBT card prevent any lawful recipient from using it to feed themselves?

Better question, why can't the citizens feed themselves?

That is a good question. Study Capitalism and you'll find the answer.

And if the Feds say what you are requiring goes against the program, that is their right since they are the ones cutting the checks.

That's right. All they do is cut the checks. It is OUR money they are giving them and we say they should have pictures on the ID's to prevent the fraud.

Lucky for them then that what you say doesn't matter...

Not for long

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Not for long

You wish, literally, and you're wrong of course.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Don't bite the hand that feeds your citizens.

What the fuck? How does a picture on an EBT card prevent any lawful recipient from using it to feed themselves?

Better question, why can't the citizens feed themselves?

That is a good question. Study Capitalism and you'll find the answer.

And if the Feds say what you are requiring goes against the program, that is their right since they are the ones cutting the checks.

LOL..Is it you contention that capitalism prevents certain people from being able to feed themselves?
Wow. I've seen stupid before. That idea is world class stupid.

Full employment in capitalism is 5% unemployment. Learn it.

And your point is...?
BTW, your side claims all is right with the world because unemployment is down to under 7%...So why the need for these new people to be collecting?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Not for long

You wish, literally, and you're wrong of course.

Not my wish. Reality.
The states can only take so much. The taxpayers are asking questions and firing politicians. How long do you think it will take before elected officials start obeying the will of the people?
"Shut up and don't question what we do" doesn't cut it anymore.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Not for long

You wish, literally, and you're wrong of course.

You are a far left wing radical. Of course you would unconditionally support massive government giveaways.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Silly. States don't want the federal government running their tax offices.

The federal government cannot by Constitutional, decree do this.
Example: certain states refused the stimulus money. Certain states refuse to fund the medicare mandates in the ACA.
In both cases due to states rights, the federal government is powerless to prevent it.
ACA, food stamp programs, unemployment insurance are examples of federal mandates on the states that are for the most part unfunded.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Not for long

You wish, literally, and you're wrong of course.

You are a far left wing radical. Of course you would unconditionally support massive government giveaways.

I don't support anything of the kind, but I do, unlike you, understand reality.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

ACA, food stamp programs, unemployment insurance are examples of federal mandates on the states that are for the most part unfunded.

Where do you get this crap from? Those are just plain lies.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Don't bite the hand that feeds your citizens.

What the fuck? How does a picture on an EBT card prevent any lawful recipient from using it to feed themselves?

Better question, why can't the citizens feed themselves?

The photo ID insures that only the proper recipient may use the card.
Have you any clue as to the rampant fraud that takes place?
People selling their EBT cards for cash. All kinds of fraudulent activity.

Yes, white collar fraud and tax cheats get orders of magnitude more than poor folks on food stamps. But you'll not likely find racist right wingers criticizing them.

Why would they be critical of their kind of folks?

"Their kind".....?
The argument the OP makes is specious. Your support of the argument makes you appear ignorant.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Not for long

You wish, literally, and you're wrong of course.

You are a far left wing radical. Of course you would unconditionally support massive government giveaways.

I don't support anything of the kind, but I do, unlike you, understand reality.

Oh? Then why do you battle for it with such intensity?

 

[thereisnospoon]

ACA, food stamp programs, unemployment insurance are examples of federal mandates on the states that are for the most part unfunded.

Where do you get this crap from? Those are just plain lies.

Uh oh...The "lie" card.....Jeez.

 

[thereisnospoon]

ACA, food stamp programs, unemployment insurance are examples of federal mandates on the states that are for the most part unfunded.

Where do you get this crap from? Those are just plain lies.

Stop arguing. You are just lashing out in desperation.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Not for long

You wish, literally, and you're wrong of course.

You are a far left wing radical. Of course you would unconditionally support massive government giveaways.

I don't support anything of the kind, but I do, unlike you, understand reality.

Oh? Then why do you battle for it with such intensity?

I don't but I understand the Golden Rule, the real one.