Houston Flooding Could Have Been Prevented

[Yousaidwhat]

Act of nature ? Sure, hurricanes are exactly that. But Hurricane Harvey’s massive troubles are as much man-made, as they are natural. A classic case of negligence gone wild, over generations.

Before Affirmative Action bumped me out of my graduate school of urban planning, I did manage to learn how lack of proper care of urban environments, can bring disaster on a catastrophic scale. The problem with Houston is too much real estate development, creating too little greenspace. Too much pavement (roads, parking lots, housing, etc), and not enough land left natural. When you pass a certain level of covered ground, you get flooding.

With soil, water can seep down into the earth. But with pavements, it lies on top, with nowhere to go, but build up higher (AKA flooding). Runoffs (streams , sewers, etc) quickly become saturated and useless.

In addition to the overdevelopment of land in the city, there is also the factor of underdevelopment of exit routes. Houston’s mayor (correctly) stated that mass evacuation was not feasible, due to the problem of traffic congestion, with dangers of accidents, and heat stroke deaths (that have occurred previously)

Again, lack of planning (or the ignoring of advice from city planners). Had more land been left unpaved (including roads), and more exit routes been constructed, Harvey would not be the catastrophe that it is.

In the old days, when roads and parking areas where dirt, generally, hurricanes’ effects were not as severe.

If they had just not voted for tRump it would have made a huge difference in the storms damage.

You're an idiot!

 

[LoneLaugher]

^^^^^snowflake^^^^^

Fuck you to asshole.

too

I hope your house burns to the ground...

Of course you do. You are a shit.

The difference being that God knows how many people lost their homes,businesses and possibly their lives FOR REAL you dumb fucken degenerate!

You are upset. Perhaps you should direct your ire at someone who deserves it. You are coming up empty here.

 

[mhansen2]

"We've covered our sponge up": Harvey reveals problem decades in the making

Will anything be learned from Harvey? If there's money to be made by real estate, probably not. Short term money is more important than long term planning. We'll be here again someday.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

"We've covered our sponge up": Harvey reveals problem decades in the making

Will anything be learned from Harvey? If there's money to be made by real estate, probably not. Short term money is more important than long term planning. We'll be here again someday.

Another fucking AGW political jerk.
Build aqueducts through neighborhoods to accommodate run off in extreme circumstances.
Direct the water instead of vice-versa.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

"We've covered our sponge up": Harvey reveals problem decades in the making

Will anything be learned from Harvey? If there's money to be made by real estate, probably not. Short term money is more important than long term planning. We'll be here again someday.

Another fucking AGW political jerk.
Build aqueducts through neighborhoods to accommodate run off in extreme circumstances.
Direct the water instead of vice-versa.

There are already "aqueducts" in the form of bayous which are widened and concrete lined in the more flood prone areas.
The only way to add more "aqueducts" would be to bulldoze thousands of homes which wouldnt go over to well.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

"We've covered our sponge up": Harvey reveals problem decades in the making

Will anything be learned from Harvey? If there's money to be made by real estate, probably not. Short term money is more important than long term planning. We'll be here again someday.

Another fucking AGW political jerk.
Build aqueducts through neighborhoods to accommodate run off in extreme circumstances.
Direct the water instead of vice-versa.

There are already "aqueducts" in the form of bayous which are widened and concrete lined in the more flood prone areas.
The only way to add more "aqueducts" would be to bulldoze thousands of homes which wouldnt go over to well.

Looks like they've already been bulldozed by water.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

"We've covered our sponge up": Harvey reveals problem decades in the making

Will anything be learned from Harvey? If there's money to be made by real estate, probably not. Short term money is more important than long term planning. We'll be here again someday.

Another fucking AGW political jerk.
Build aqueducts through neighborhoods to accommodate run off in extreme circumstances.
Direct the water instead of vice-versa.

There are already "aqueducts" in the form of bayous which are widened and concrete lined in the more flood prone areas.
The only way to add more "aqueducts" would be to bulldoze thousands of homes which wouldnt go over to well.

Looks like they've already been bulldozed by water.

The problem with your thinking? You're leaving out the part where you have to go through neighborhoods that aren't flood prone to reach the reservoirs where the water is stored.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I see this same shit where I live, time and time again, open land out in urban areas, concreted over for some big high rise or commercial development....trees, open land all pave over. Then the rain comes, and flooding. Oh and just for the record, I doubt if AA kept you from perusing a dream, you like most lazy white people couldn't cut the mustard

Yeah, you see zero hurricanes where you are, just STFU, seriously.

You don't know what rain is.

We've had 9 inches in the past 2 days. There's even been sun, too.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

"We've covered our sponge up": Harvey reveals problem decades in the making

Will anything be learned from Harvey? If there's money to be made by real estate, probably not. Short term money is more important than long term planning. We'll be here again someday.

Another fucking AGW political jerk.
Build aqueducts through neighborhoods to accommodate run off in extreme circumstances.
Direct the water instead of vice-versa.

There are already "aqueducts" in the form of bayous which are widened and concrete lined in the more flood prone areas.
The only way to add more "aqueducts" would be to bulldoze thousands of homes which wouldnt go over to well.

Looks like they've already been bulldozed by water.

The best solution would be to deepen the reservoirs.
But you have 40 square miles of reservoir,that wont be cheap but it also wont draw the anger of the populace.
You might be able to just dig a smaller chunk extra deep but with the low water table you're more than likely going to hit ground water and fill the damn thing up anyway.
Which leaves carving out at most 8ft. of soil over the 40 square miles.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

"We've covered our sponge up": Harvey reveals problem decades in the making

Will anything be learned from Harvey? If there's money to be made by real estate, probably not. Short term money is more important than long term planning. We'll be here again someday.

Do you live here?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

"We've covered our sponge up": Harvey reveals problem decades in the making

Will anything be learned from Harvey? If there's money to be made by real estate, probably not. Short term money is more important than long term planning. We'll be here again someday.

Another fucking AGW political jerk.
Build aqueducts through neighborhoods to accommodate run off in extreme circumstances.
Direct the water instead of vice-versa.

There are already "aqueducts" in the form of bayous which are widened and concrete lined in the more flood prone areas.
The only way to add more "aqueducts" would be to bulldoze thousands of homes which wouldnt go over to well.

Looks like they've already been bulldozed by water.

The problem with your thinking? You're leaving out the part where you have to go through neighborhoods that aren't flood prone to reach the reservoirs where the water is stored.

Whatever is necessary. Water management is usually mandatory whenever new development is initiated. It is where I live.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

"We've covered our sponge up": Harvey reveals problem decades in the making

Will anything be learned from Harvey? If there's money to be made by real estate, probably not. Short term money is more important than long term planning. We'll be here again someday.

Another fucking AGW political jerk.
Build aqueducts through neighborhoods to accommodate run off in extreme circumstances.
Direct the water instead of vice-versa.

There are already "aqueducts" in the form of bayous which are widened and concrete lined in the more flood prone areas.
The only way to add more "aqueducts" would be to bulldoze thousands of homes which wouldnt go over to well.

Looks like they've already been bulldozed by water.

The best solution would be to deepen the reservoirs.
But you have 40 square miles of reservoir,that wont be cheap but it also wont draw the anger of the populace.
You might be able to just dig a smaller chunk extra deep but with the low water table you're more than likely going to hit ground water and fill the damn thing up anyway.
Which leaves carving out at most 8ft. of soil over the 40 square miles.

That's why we have engineers.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

"We've covered our sponge up": Harvey reveals problem decades in the making

Will anything be learned from Harvey? If there's money to be made by real estate, probably not. Short term money is more important than long term planning. We'll be here again someday.

Another fucking AGW political jerk.
Build aqueducts through neighborhoods to accommodate run off in extreme circumstances.
Direct the water instead of vice-versa.

There are already "aqueducts" in the form of bayous which are widened and concrete lined in the more flood prone areas.
The only way to add more "aqueducts" would be to bulldoze thousands of homes which wouldnt go over to well.

Looks like they've already been bulldozed by water.

The problem with your thinking? You're leaving out the part where you have to go through neighborhoods that aren't flood prone to reach the reservoirs where the water is stored.

Whatever is necessary. Water management is usually mandatory whenever new development is initiated. It is where I live.

And it is here as well.In fact I've spoken of it frequently.
I've lived around the biggest flood control structures in Texas for my entire life.
Trust me,I pay attention to all their workings.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

"We've covered our sponge up": Harvey reveals problem decades in the making

Will anything be learned from Harvey? If there's money to be made by real estate, probably not. Short term money is more important than long term planning. We'll be here again someday.

Another fucking AGW political jerk.
Build aqueducts through neighborhoods to accommodate run off in extreme circumstances.
Direct the water instead of vice-versa.

There are already "aqueducts" in the form of bayous which are widened and concrete lined in the more flood prone areas.
The only way to add more "aqueducts" would be to bulldoze thousands of homes which wouldnt go over to well.

Looks like they've already been bulldozed by water.

The best solution would be to deepen the reservoirs.
But you have 40 square miles of reservoir,that wont be cheap but it also wont draw the anger of the populace.
You might be able to just dig a smaller chunk extra deep but with the low water table you're more than likely going to hit ground water and fill the damn thing up anyway.
Which leaves carving out at most 8ft. of soil over the 40 square miles.

That's why we have engineers.

It's not about fucken engineers!!
Do you think we lack the tech or something?
The city of Houston is more than 100 miles east to west. How cost effective do you think it's gonna be to cut channels to the bays? And dont even get started on the damage that would cause to the bay.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Another fucking AGW political jerk.
Build aqueducts through neighborhoods to accommodate run off in extreme circumstances.
Direct the water instead of vice-versa.

There are already "aqueducts" in the form of bayous which are widened and concrete lined in the more flood prone areas.
The only way to add more "aqueducts" would be to bulldoze thousands of homes which wouldnt go over to well.

Looks like they've already been bulldozed by water.

The best solution would be to deepen the reservoirs.
But you have 40 square miles of reservoir,that wont be cheap but it also wont draw the anger of the populace.
You might be able to just dig a smaller chunk extra deep but with the low water table you're more than likely going to hit ground water and fill the damn thing up anyway.
Which leaves carving out at most 8ft. of soil over the 40 square miles.

That's why we have engineers.

It's not about fucken engineers!!
Do you think we lack the tech or something?
The city of Houston is more than 100 miles east to west. How cost effective do you think it's gonna be to cut channels to the bays? And dont even get started on the damage that would cause to the bay.

Then it all goes back to due diligence. If the necessary engineering is not possible, people should not live there.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Act of nature ? Sure, hurricanes are exactly that. But Hurricane Harvey’s massive troubles are as much man-made, as they are natural. A classic case of negligence gone wild, over generations.

Before Affirmative Action bumped me out of my graduate school of urban planning, I did manage to learn how lack of proper care of urban environments, can bring disaster on a catastrophic scale. The problem with Houston is too much real estate development, creating too little greenspace. Too much pavement (roads, parking lots, housing, etc), and not enough land left natural. When you pass a certain level of covered ground, you get flooding.

With soil, water can seep down into the earth. But with pavements, it lies on top, with nowhere to go, but build up higher (AKA flooding). Runoffs (streams , sewers, etc) quickly become saturated and useless.

In addition to the overdevelopment of land in the city, there is also the factor of underdevelopment of exit routes. Houston’s mayor (correctly) stated that mass evacuation was not feasible, due to the problem of traffic congestion, with dangers of accidents, and heat stroke deaths (that have occurred previously)

Again, lack of planning (or the ignoring of advice from city planners). Had more land been left unpaved (including roads), and more exit routes been constructed, Harvey would not be the catastrophe that it is.

In the old days, when roads and parking areas where dirt, generally, hurricanes’ effects were not as severe.

Poppycock...
They've done plenty to ease flooding.
When you build a large building of any type you now have to add a collection pond.
Then you have the reservoirs that incompass 40 square miles specifically designed to stop flooding and they do a great job of keeping Houston dry.
With Harvey I dont care what you did to prevent flooding you're still going to flood.

Don't be a defeatist. Nature is the enemy of man; don't let it ever have its way with us just because our illegitimate Masters refuse to pay taxes to fund infrastructure that benefits us all.

Dude I live here so I think I have a pretty good grasp of the situation.
Houston is constantly coming up with ways to reduce flooding.
I dont care how much money you throw at drainage,Harvey would have laughed at your attempts.

Just to give you an idea just how much rain Harvey produced.

"What if we took that 19 trillion gallons of water and dumped it in the Great Lakes? How much would the water levels go up in the Great Lakes.

For a one inch rise in water level on a Great Lake:

Lake Superior needs 550 billion gallons

Lake Michigan & Lake Huron need 790 billion gallons

Lake Erie needs 170 billion gallons

Lake Ontario needs 120 billion gallons.

(Correction note: Earlier Army Corps of Engineers data had Lake Erie and Lake Ontario water statistics reversed.)

So to lift the water level of the entire Great Lakes just one inch, it would take 1.63 trillion gallons.

The 19 trillion gallons of rain in the past few days over Texas would raise the the entire Great Lakes 11.66 inches. That's almost a foot of water over the entire surface of the largest freshwater lake system in the world."

The Yellow Rose in Texas

How much water would the tunnel between England and France hold? More import, how much could it dump back into the English Channel if its sole purpose were to do that? Your twisted statistics create the illusion that the rain fell all at once instead of dividing the volume by how many hours it took.

Spacious tunnels instead of sewers and closed reservoirs. Texas brags about thinking big. All brag, no fact.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

"We've covered our sponge up": Harvey reveals problem decades in the making

Will anything be learned from Harvey? If there's money to be made by real estate, probably not. Short term money is more important than long term planning. We'll be here again someday.

Another fucking AGW political jerk.
Build aqueducts through neighborhoods to accommodate run off in extreme circumstances.
Direct the water instead of vice-versa.

There are already "aqueducts" in the form of bayous which are widened and concrete lined in the more flood prone areas.
The only way to add more "aqueducts" would be to bulldoze thousands of homes which wouldnt go over to well.

Looks like they've already been bulldozed by water.

The best solution would be to deepen the reservoirs.
But you have 40 square miles of reservoir,that wont be cheap but it also wont draw the anger of the populace.
You might be able to just dig a smaller chunk extra deep but with the low water table you're more than likely going to hit ground water and fill the damn thing up anyway.
Which leaves carving out at most 8ft. of soil over the 40 square miles.

That's why we have engineers.

Slave Education Puts Inferior People in Superior Positions

They won't be very talented ones until they are highly paid as students.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

There are already "aqueducts" in the form of bayous which are widened and concrete lined in the more flood prone areas.
The only way to add more "aqueducts" would be to bulldoze thousands of homes which wouldnt go over to well.

Looks like they've already been bulldozed by water.

The best solution would be to deepen the reservoirs.
But you have 40 square miles of reservoir,that wont be cheap but it also wont draw the anger of the populace.
You might be able to just dig a smaller chunk extra deep but with the low water table you're more than likely going to hit ground water and fill the damn thing up anyway.
Which leaves carving out at most 8ft. of soil over the 40 square miles.

That's why we have engineers.

It's not about fucken engineers!!
Do you think we lack the tech or something?
The city of Houston is more than 100 miles east to west. How cost effective do you think it's gonna be to cut channels to the bays? And dont even get started on the damage that would cause to the bay.

Then it all goes back to due diligence. If the necessary engineering is not possible, people should not live there.

Using that logic we should shut down every city on the coast.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Act of nature ? Sure, hurricanes are exactly that. But Hurricane Harvey’s massive troubles are as much man-made, as they are natural. A classic case of negligence gone wild, over generations.

Before Affirmative Action bumped me out of my graduate school of urban planning, I did manage to learn how lack of proper care of urban environments, can bring disaster on a catastrophic scale. The problem with Houston is too much real estate development, creating too little greenspace. Too much pavement (roads, parking lots, housing, etc), and not enough land left natural. When you pass a certain level of covered ground, you get flooding.

With soil, water can seep down into the earth. But with pavements, it lies on top, with nowhere to go, but build up higher (AKA flooding). Runoffs (streams , sewers, etc) quickly become saturated and useless.

In addition to the overdevelopment of land in the city, there is also the factor of underdevelopment of exit routes. Houston’s mayor (correctly) stated that mass evacuation was not feasible, due to the problem of traffic congestion, with dangers of accidents, and heat stroke deaths (that have occurred previously)

Again, lack of planning (or the ignoring of advice from city planners). Had more land been left unpaved (including roads), and more exit routes been constructed, Harvey would not be the catastrophe that it is.

In the old days, when roads and parking areas where dirt, generally, hurricanes’ effects were not as severe.

Poppycock...
They've done plenty to ease flooding.
When you build a large building of any type you now have to add a collection pond.
Then you have the reservoirs that incompass 40 square miles specifically designed to stop flooding and they do a great job of keeping Houston dry.
With Harvey I dont care what you did to prevent flooding you're still going to flood.

Don't be a defeatist. Nature is the enemy of man; don't let it ever have its way with us just because our illegitimate Masters refuse to pay taxes to fund infrastructure that benefits us all.

Dude I live here so I think I have a pretty good grasp of the situation.
Houston is constantly coming up with ways to reduce flooding.
I dont care how much money you throw at drainage,Harvey would have laughed at your attempts.

Just to give you an idea just how much rain Harvey produced.

"What if we took that 19 trillion gallons of water and dumped it in the Great Lakes? How much would the water levels go up in the Great Lakes.

For a one inch rise in water level on a Great Lake:

Lake Superior needs 550 billion gallons

Lake Michigan & Lake Huron need 790 billion gallons

Lake Erie needs 170 billion gallons

Lake Ontario needs 120 billion gallons.

(Correction note: Earlier Army Corps of Engineers data had Lake Erie and Lake Ontario water statistics reversed.)

So to lift the water level of the entire Great Lakes just one inch, it would take 1.63 trillion gallons.

The 19 trillion gallons of rain in the past few days over Texas would raise the the entire Great Lakes 11.66 inches. That's almost a foot of water over the entire surface of the largest freshwater lake system in the world."

The Yellow Rose in Texas

How much water would the tunnel between England and France hold? More import, how much could it dump back into the English Channel if its sole purpose were to do that? Your twisted statistics create the illusion that the rain fell all at once instead of dividing the volume by how many hours it took.

Spacious tunnels instead of sewers and closed reservoirs. Texas brags about thinking big. All brag, no fact.

LOL....give me the volume of the tunnel and we'll talk.
But given the fact that it would raise the Great lakes by a foot your tunnel would be totally inadequate for the task.
Add to the fact you'd be digging through mud and clay rather than bedrock and your tunnel scheme gets even more ridiculous.

 

[FJO]

I see this same shit where I live, time and time again, open land out in urban areas, concreted over for some big high rise or commercial development....trees, open land all pave over. Then the rain comes, and flooding. Oh and just for the record, I doubt if AA kept you from perusing a dream, you like most lazy white people couldn't cut the mustard

"perusing a dream"?

You better start attending those AA meetings.