How Can You Be A Socialist….

[danielpalos]

I can't see any posts from danielpalos, because he is an idiot, so I ignored him. But, this is a funny discussion.

When a child is born with an obligation to work for the benefit of other people, we call that child a slave. The Marxists try to sugar coat it and make it sound like a noble responsibility, but the result is the same.

The proponents of communism and its resulting socialist state (yes, it works just the opposite of the way Marx described it) misuse and bastardize the "social contract" theory. Social contract is simply the agreement of individuals (implicitly) to surrender some of their natural freedoms to a government in exchange for that government's protection of their remaining freedoms. That's it.

The Marxists claim that we have surrendered our all of our rights to property to their State, in exchange for (I presume) protection from economic failure. Assuming (but never conceding) that is true, a serious question remains. In the minds of Marxists (or Socialists) have we surrendered our right to revoke our consent?

The so-called "social contract" is bullshit. It's how statists justify their desire to plunder and enslave you.

Right wingers don't know what they are talking about.

Our social contract is our federal Constitution for the Union.

I just proved that the Constitution is not a contract.

With what? I just "proved it is."

You did no such thing. You merely insisted it is. A contract requires consent from all parties to it. I never consented to it.

that is all you did.

You have to abdicate your citizenship and move to an AnCap to avoid paying any taxes. That Power is delegated via the People to our federal Congress by the authority of the social Contract known as our federal Constitution.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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Hegel, Marx, Hitler....or Democrats.....the Germanic thought that gave birth to Progressivism, all stemmed from this:

"The German state is the Volksgemeinschaft, or “Peoples Community,” where the individual has no rights, only duties."
Hayek on the Socialist Roots of Nazism | Byron Chiado

lol, American liberals don't believe in any individual rights?

Goddam!

They believe less in individual rights than they used to.

So what individual rights do you want back?

Where did I say there were any taken away? I said people believe less in individual rights that they used to.

Obammycare is a prime example. I don't know any other time in history where the American people were compelled by law to buy a commercial product do you?

Our 4th amendment rights are being eroded every day
Out 6th amendment rights are being eroded via the use of secret no fly lists


For the most part these violations of our rights are just fine with the people and the government certainly is OK with them

SO as I said the people believe less in individual rights than we used to

Obamacare did not require you to buy anything.

On the other hand, all taxes go to buy stuff. All taxes are mandatory. Do the math.

 

[PoliticalChic]

16. Under socialism, the elites tell you what to think, and enforce what they have decided is 'the truth.' No one's personal opinion counts.



In a free market, incomes and wealth are obtained through the sum of innumerable voluntary exchanges. As Robert Nozick calls it, “capitalist acts between consenting adults.”


a. Nozick’s example: ““Now suppose that Wilt Chamberlain is greatly in demand by basketball teams, being a great gate attraction…He signs the following sort of contract with a team: In each home game, twenty-five cents from the price of each ticket of admission goes to him…

The season starts, and people cheerfully attend his team’s games; they buy their tickets, each time dropping a separate twenty-five cents of their admission price into a special box with Chamberlain’s name on it. They are excited about seeing him play; it is worth the total admission price to them. Let us suppose that in one season one million persons attend his home games, and Wilt Chamberlain winds up with $250,000, a much larger sum than the average income and larger even than anyone else has.
Is he entitled to this income? Is this new distribution unjust?”




b. So, then, what should a government do as far as mandating ‘fairness”?

“The exercise of state power is not the action of a separate entity with moral rights greater than those of individual persons, rights to use force against persons for reasons that would not justify the use of force by individuals or groups of individuals per se…individual rights and duties are the basis of what governments may and should do.” Thomas Nagel, “Other Minds: Critical Essays, 1969-1994,” p. 141.

 

[bripat9643]

The so-called "social contract" is bullshit. It's how statists justify their desire to plunder and enslave you.

Right wingers don't know what they are talking about.

Our social contract is our federal Constitution for the Union.

I just proved that the Constitution is not a contract.

With what? I just "proved it is."

You did no such thing. You merely insisted it is. A contract requires consent from all parties to it. I never consented to it.

that is all you did.

You have to abdicate your citizenship and move to an AnCap to avoid paying any taxes. That Power is delegated via the People to our federal Congress by the authority of the social Contract known as our federal Constitution.

The Constitution has no authority over me. I never consented to it. You have to demonstrate that I did consent to it.

 

[danielpalos]

Right wingers don't know what they are talking about.

Our social contract is our federal Constitution for the Union.

I just proved that the Constitution is not a contract.

With what? I just "proved it is."

You did no such thing. You merely insisted it is. A contract requires consent from all parties to it. I never consented to it.

that is all you did.

You have to abdicate your citizenship and move to an AnCap to avoid paying any taxes. That Power is delegated via the People to our federal Congress by the authority of the social Contract known as our federal Constitution.

The Constitution has no authority over me. I never consented to it. You have to demonstrate that I did consent to it.

It only applies if you were born in the US, or naturalized.

 

[Mac1958]

I'm against socialism for a fairly simple reason: I prefer low taxes and a minimum of government bureaucracy in my life. Believe it or not, I'm a big boy who doesn't need any government to babysit me.

I'm glad that you use words like "low" and "minimum".

That reflects the fact that this entire issue lies on a continuum, and that there will not be any such condition as "socialist" or "not socialist".

The task, then, is to find the most workable point of equilibrium, and not in screaming platitudes.
.

Just for a minute there I thought you were actually going to take a position....

But....I have your theme song...

And as always, the ideologically obedient PoliticalChic responds to challenges to her shallow, binary worldview with catty personal attacks.

Thank you, as always.
.

she just needs a full body massage.

I asked her a reasonable, clear, concise, direct question, and I'm sure I'll get a reasonable, clear, concise and direct response any time now.
.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm against socialism for a fairly simple reason: I prefer low taxes and a minimum of government bureaucracy in my life. Believe it or not, I'm a big boy who doesn't need any government to babysit me.

I'm glad that you use words like "low" and "minimum".

That reflects the fact that this entire issue lies on a continuum, and that there will not be any such condition as "socialist" or "not socialist".

The task, then, is to find the most workable point of equilibrium, and not in screaming platitudes.
.

Just for a minute there I thought you were actually going to take a position....

But....I have your theme song...

And as always, the ideologically obedient PoliticalChic responds to challenges to her shallow, binary worldview with catty personal attacks.

Thank you, as always.
.

she just needs a full body massage.

I asked her a reasonable, clear, concise, direct question, and I'm sure I'll get a reasonable, clear, concise and direct response any time now.
.

I asked why you make excuses for totalitarians, and why you're afraid to stand up for liberty.

 

[Mac1958]

I'm glad that you use words like "low" and "minimum".

That reflects the fact that this entire issue lies on a continuum, and that there will not be any such condition as "socialist" or "not socialist".

The task, then, is to find the most workable point of equilibrium, and not in screaming platitudes.
.

Just for a minute there I thought you were actually going to take a position....

But....I have your theme song...

And as always, the ideologically obedient PoliticalChic responds to challenges to her shallow, binary worldview with catty personal attacks.

Thank you, as always.
.

she just needs a full body massage.

I asked her a reasonable, clear, concise, direct question, and I'm sure I'll get a reasonable, clear, concise and direct response any time now.
.

I asked why you make excuses for totalitarians, and why you're afraid to stand up for liberty.

Oh well. I tried.

Full disclosure, I would have been a little surprised if you had the guts to answer my question.

You mock me for thinking for myself, yet you demonstrate neither the honor nor the confidence to answer direct questions.

This place is always fascinating. Always.
.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Just for a minute there I thought you were actually going to take a position....

But....I have your theme song...

And as always, the ideologically obedient PoliticalChic responds to challenges to her shallow, binary worldview with catty personal attacks.

Thank you, as always.
.

she just needs a full body massage.

I asked her a reasonable, clear, concise, direct question, and I'm sure I'll get a reasonable, clear, concise and direct response any time now.
.

I asked why you make excuses for totalitarians, and why you're afraid to stand up for liberty.

Oh well. I tried.

Full disclosure, I would have been a little surprised if you had the guts to answer my question.

You mock me for thinking for myself, yet you demonstrate neither the honor nor the confidence to answer direct questions.

This place is always fascinating. Always.
.

Stop lying.

You did your usual gutless 'on the one hand.....blah blah blah...."

 

[Skull Pilot]

[


Hegel, Marx, Hitler....or Democrats.....the Germanic thought that gave birth to Progressivism, all stemmed from this:

"The German state is the Volksgemeinschaft, or “Peoples Community,” where the individual has no rights, only duties."
Hayek on the Socialist Roots of Nazism | Byron Chiado

lol, American liberals don't believe in any individual rights?

Goddam!

They believe less in individual rights than they used to.

So what individual rights do you want back?

Where did I say there were any taken away? I said people believe less in individual rights that they used to.

Obammycare is a prime example. I don't know any other time in history where the American people were compelled by law to buy a commercial product do you?

Our 4th amendment rights are being eroded every day
Out 6th amendment rights are being eroded via the use of secret no fly lists


For the most part these violations of our rights are just fine with the people and the government certainly is OK with them

SO as I said the people believe less in individual rights than we used to

Obamacare did not require you to buy anything.

On the other hand, all taxes go to buy stuff. All taxes are mandatory. Do the math.

I said compel not require. Maybe you want to follow along with your finger and move your lips while you read, you might then actually understand the words I write.

 

[Mac1958]

And as always, the ideologically obedient PoliticalChic responds to challenges to her shallow, binary worldview with catty personal attacks.

Thank you, as always.
.

she just needs a full body massage.

I asked her a reasonable, clear, concise, direct question, and I'm sure I'll get a reasonable, clear, concise and direct response any time now.
.

I asked why you make excuses for totalitarians, and why you're afraid to stand up for liberty.

Oh well. I tried.

Full disclosure, I would have been a little surprised if you had the guts to answer my question.

You mock me for thinking for myself, yet you demonstrate neither the honor nor the confidence to answer direct questions.

This place is always fascinating. Always.
.

Stop lying.

You did your usual gutless 'on the one hand.....blah blah blah...."

Our whole conversation is right there on the screen.

You jumped in and attacked, and then evaded when questioned.

Easy. As always.
.

 

[PoliticalChic]

she just needs a full body massage.

I asked her a reasonable, clear, concise, direct question, and I'm sure I'll get a reasonable, clear, concise and direct response any time now.
.

I asked why you make excuses for totalitarians, and why you're afraid to stand up for liberty.

Oh well. I tried.

Full disclosure, I would have been a little surprised if you had the guts to answer my question.

You mock me for thinking for myself, yet you demonstrate neither the honor nor the confidence to answer direct questions.

This place is always fascinating. Always.
.

Stop lying.

You did your usual gutless 'on the one hand.....blah blah blah...."

Our whole conversation is right there on the screen.

You jumped in and attacked, and then evaded when questioned.

Easy. As always.
.

Y'know....all of this unpleasantness can be avoided.....all you have to do is change your avi to the more accurate "GutlessWeasel."

I believe it's still available.

 

[Mac1958]

I asked her a reasonable, clear, concise, direct question, and I'm sure I'll get a reasonable, clear, concise and direct response any time now.
.

I asked why you make excuses for totalitarians, and why you're afraid to stand up for liberty.

Oh well. I tried.

Full disclosure, I would have been a little surprised if you had the guts to answer my question.

You mock me for thinking for myself, yet you demonstrate neither the honor nor the confidence to answer direct questions.

This place is always fascinating. Always.
.

Stop lying.

You did your usual gutless 'on the one hand.....blah blah blah...."

Our whole conversation is right there on the screen.

You jumped in and attacked, and then evaded when questioned.

Easy. As always.
.

Y'know....all of this unpleasantness can be avoided.....all you have to do is change your avi to the more accurate "GutlessWeasel."

I believe it's still available.

Ironic that you would call someone that name, when you've just run from the easiest question you could get.

From now on, play this game, and I'll step on your throat. As I just did.

You're a poser and a coward.
.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I asked why you make excuses for totalitarians, and why you're afraid to stand up for liberty.

Oh well. I tried.

Full disclosure, I would have been a little surprised if you had the guts to answer my question.

You mock me for thinking for myself, yet you demonstrate neither the honor nor the confidence to answer direct questions.

This place is always fascinating. Always.
.

Stop lying.

You did your usual gutless 'on the one hand.....blah blah blah...."

Our whole conversation is right there on the screen.

You jumped in and attacked, and then evaded when questioned.

Easy. As always.
.

Y'know....all of this unpleasantness can be avoided.....all you have to do is change your avi to the more accurate "GutlessWeasel."

I believe it's still available.

Ironic that you would call someone that name, when you've just run from the easiest question you could get.

From now on, play this game, and I'll step on your throat. As I just did.

You're a poser and a coward.
.

There's nothing more to say, is there?


As usual, you didn't answer the question, and, as always, being nothing to the table.

 

[Mac1958]

Oh well. I tried.

Full disclosure, I would have been a little surprised if you had the guts to answer my question.

You mock me for thinking for myself, yet you demonstrate neither the honor nor the confidence to answer direct questions.

This place is always fascinating. Always.
.

Stop lying.

You did your usual gutless 'on the one hand.....blah blah blah...."

Our whole conversation is right there on the screen.

You jumped in and attacked, and then evaded when questioned.

Easy. As always.
.

Y'know....all of this unpleasantness can be avoided.....all you have to do is change your avi to the more accurate "GutlessWeasel."

I believe it's still available.

Ironic that you would call someone that name, when you've just run from the easiest question you could get.

From now on, play this game, and I'll step on your throat. As I just did.

You're a poser and a coward.
.

There's nothing more to say, is there?


As usual, you didn't answer the question, and, as always, being nothing to the table.

Answer the question. Here, I'll print it nice and big for you:

PoliticalChic, does the size, scope and cost of government exist on a continuum, or does it not?

Come on. Show some guts. Just once. Answer the question.
.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Stop lying.

You did your usual gutless 'on the one hand.....blah blah blah...."

Our whole conversation is right there on the screen.

You jumped in and attacked, and then evaded when questioned.

Easy. As always.
.

Y'know....all of this unpleasantness can be avoided.....all you have to do is change your avi to the more accurate "GutlessWeasel."

I believe it's still available.

Ironic that you would call someone that name, when you've just run from the easiest question you could get.

From now on, play this game, and I'll step on your throat. As I just did.

You're a poser and a coward.
.

There's nothing more to say, is there?


As usual, you didn't answer the question, and, as always, being nothing to the table.

Answer the question. Here, I'll print it nice and big for you:

PoliticalChic, does the size, scope and cost of government exist on a continuum, or does it not?

Come on. Show some guts. Just once. Answer the question.
.

Gee.....turns out putting you in your place really got under your skin, huh, FenceSitter???

Excellent.

 

[Mac1958]

Our whole conversation is right there on the screen.

You jumped in and attacked, and then evaded when questioned.

Easy. As always.
.

Y'know....all of this unpleasantness can be avoided.....all you have to do is change your avi to the more accurate "GutlessWeasel."

I believe it's still available.

Ironic that you would call someone that name, when you've just run from the easiest question you could get.

From now on, play this game, and I'll step on your throat. As I just did.

You're a poser and a coward.
.

There's nothing more to say, is there?


As usual, you didn't answer the question, and, as always, being nothing to the table.

Answer the question. Here, I'll print it nice and big for you:

PoliticalChic, does the size, scope and cost of government exist on a continuum, or does it not?

Come on. Show some guts. Just once. Answer the question.
.

Gee.....turns out putting you in your place really got under your skin, huh, FenceSitter???

Excellent.

Answer the question. Here, I'll print it nice and big for you:

PoliticalChic, does the size, scope and cost of government exist on a continuum, or does it not?

Come on. Show some guts. Just once. Answer the question.
.

 

[Mac1958]

What a coward.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What a coward.

OK....tell ya' what.....I'll accept a change of your avi to 'FenceSitter,'....you don't have to go all the way to 'GutlessWeasel.'

Better?

 

[Mac1958]

What a coward.

OK....tell ya' what.....I'll accept a change of your avi to 'FenceSitter,'....you don't have to go all the way to 'GutlessWeasel.'

Better?

Y'know....all of this unpleasantness can be avoided.....all you have to do is change your avi to the more accurate "GutlessWeasel."

I believe it's still available.

Ironic that you would call someone that name, when you've just run from the easiest question you could get.

From now on, play this game, and I'll step on your throat. As I just did.

You're a poser and a coward.
.

There's nothing more to say, is there?


As usual, you didn't answer the question, and, as always, being nothing to the table.

What a coward.

OK....tell ya' what.....I'll accept a change of your avi to 'FenceSitter,'....you don't have to go all the way to 'GutlessWeasel.'

Better?

.

Gee.....turns out putting you in your place really got under your skin, huh, FenceSitter???

Excellent.

Answer the question. Here, I'll print it nice and big for you:

What a coward.

OK....tell ya' what.....I'll accept a change of your avi to 'FenceSitter,'....you don't have to go all the way to 'GutlessWeasel.'

Better?

Come on. Show some guts. Just once. Answer the question.
.

Why do you keep doing this? Do you not know I'm going to expose your cowardice?

I'm embarrassed for you.

Can someone please step in, save PC, and answer this question for me?

PoliticalChic, does the size, scope and cost of government exist on a continuum, or does it not?
.