How Can You Be A Socialist….

[PoliticalChic]

What a coward.

OK....tell ya' what.....I'll accept a change of your avi to 'FenceSitter,'....you don't have to go all the way to 'GutlessWeasel.'

Better?

Ironic that you would call someone that name, when you've just run from the easiest question you could get.

From now on, play this game, and I'll step on your throat. As I just did.

You're a poser and a coward.
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There's nothing more to say, is there?


As usual, you didn't answer the question, and, as always, being nothing to the table.

What a coward.

OK....tell ya' what.....I'll accept a change of your avi to 'FenceSitter,'....you don't have to go all the way to 'GutlessWeasel.'

Better?

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Gee.....turns out putting you in your place really got under your skin, huh, FenceSitter???

Excellent.

Answer the question. Here, I'll print it nice and big for you:

What a coward.

OK....tell ya' what.....I'll accept a change of your avi to 'FenceSitter,'....you don't have to go all the way to 'GutlessWeasel.'

Better?

Come on. Show some guts. Just once. Answer the question.
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Why do you keep doing this? Do you not know I'm going to expose your cowardice?

I'm embarrassed for you.

Can someone please step in, save PC, and answer this question for me?

PoliticalChic, does the size, scope and cost of government exist on a continuum, or does it not?
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Gee.....really riled you up, huh?

The truth will do that, FenceSitter.

 

[Mac1958]

What a coward.

OK....tell ya' what.....I'll accept a change of your avi to 'FenceSitter,'....you don't have to go all the way to 'GutlessWeasel.'

Better?

There's nothing more to say, is there?


As usual, you didn't answer the question, and, as always, being nothing to the table.

OK....tell ya' what.....I'll accept a change of your avi to 'FenceSitter,'....you don't have to go all the way to 'GutlessWeasel.'

Better?

.

Gee.....turns out putting you in your place really got under your skin, huh, FenceSitter???

Excellent.

Answer the question. Here, I'll print it nice and big for you:

What a coward.

OK....tell ya' what.....I'll accept a change of your avi to 'FenceSitter,'....you don't have to go all the way to 'GutlessWeasel.'

Better?

Come on. Show some guts. Just once. Answer the question.
.

Why do you keep doing this? Do you not know I'm going to expose your cowardice?

I'm embarrassed for you.

Can someone please step in, save PC, and answer this question for me?

PoliticalChic, does the size, scope and cost of government exist on a continuum, or does it not?
.

Gee.....really riled you up, huh?

The truth will do that, FenceSitter.

Can someone please step in, save PC, and answer this question for me?

PoliticalChic, does the size, scope and cost of government exist on a continuum, or does it not?
.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What a coward.

OK....tell ya' what.....I'll accept a change of your avi to 'FenceSitter,'....you don't have to go all the way to 'GutlessWeasel.'

Better?

.

Gee.....turns out putting you in your place really got under your skin, huh, FenceSitter???

Excellent.

Answer the question. Here, I'll print it nice and big for you:

What a coward.

OK....tell ya' what.....I'll accept a change of your avi to 'FenceSitter,'....you don't have to go all the way to 'GutlessWeasel.'

Better?

Come on. Show some guts. Just once. Answer the question.
.

Why do you keep doing this? Do you not know I'm going to expose your cowardice?

I'm embarrassed for you.

Can someone please step in, save PC, and answer this question for me?

PoliticalChic, does the size, scope and cost of government exist on a continuum, or does it not?
.

Gee.....really riled you up, huh?

The truth will do that, FenceSitter.

Can someone please step in, save PC, and answer this question for me?

PoliticalChic, does the size, scope and cost of government exist on a continuum, or does it not?
.

Noun. fence sitter (plural fence sitters) One who takes neither side of an argument or controversy, but maintains a neutral position. (potentially offensive) One who is bisexual, or who is uncertain about his or her sexual orientation.
fence sitter - Wiktionary
fence sitter - Wiktionary



How about you just change your avi to (potentially offensive)???

Deal?

 

[Mac1958]

What a coward.

OK....tell ya' what.....I'll accept a change of your avi to 'FenceSitter,'....you don't have to go all the way to 'GutlessWeasel.'

Better?

Gee.....turns out putting you in your place really got under your skin, huh, FenceSitter???

Excellent.

Answer the question. Here, I'll print it nice and big for you:

OK....tell ya' what.....I'll accept a change of your avi to 'FenceSitter,'....you don't have to go all the way to 'GutlessWeasel.'

Better?

Come on. Show some guts. Just once. Answer the question.
.

Why do you keep doing this? Do you not know I'm going to expose your cowardice?

I'm embarrassed for you.

Can someone please step in, save PC, and answer this question for me?

PoliticalChic, does the size, scope and cost of government exist on a continuum, or does it not?
.

Gee.....really riled you up, huh?

The truth will do that, FenceSitter.

Can someone please step in, save PC, and answer this question for me?

PoliticalChic, does the size, scope and cost of government exist on a continuum, or does it not?
.

Noun. fence sitter (plural fence sitters) One who takes neither side of an argument or controversy, but maintains a neutral position. (potentially offensive) One who is bisexual, or who is uncertain about his or her sexual orientation.
fence sitter - Wiktionary
fence sitter - Wiktionary



How about you just change your avi to (potentially offensive)???

Deal?

Can someone please step in, save PC, and answer this question for me?

PoliticalChic, does the size, scope and cost of government exist on a continuum, or does it not?
.

 

[regent]

I'm against socialism for a fairly simple reason: I prefer low taxes and a minimum of government bureaucracy in my life. Believe it or not, I'm a big boy who doesn't need any government to babysit me.

Will you always be a big boy and never need help? The problem is people change, and someday you may be just another old sick boy. But not only do people change but economies change. A number of all those proud big boys in 1929 ended up in a bread line, scared and hungry.

1. "Will you always be a big boy and never need help?"

Do you have life insurance?

Savings?

2. "A number of all those proud big boys in 1929 ended up in a bread line,..."

Are you referring to the economic downturn that Franklin Roosevelt engineered into a depression, one that lasted five times longer than any other such downturn in American history?

Downturn? You have no idea of that period, or what happened do you? Why didn't Hoover stop the downturn he had ample time if it was only a downturn. And what of the Republicans plan to end the downturn. Does America even know what the Republican plan was, and did the Republican plan work? The only plan I know they might have had, was "balance the budget."

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm against socialism for a fairly simple reason: I prefer low taxes and a minimum of government bureaucracy in my life. Believe it or not, I'm a big boy who doesn't need any government to babysit me.

Will you always be a big boy and never need help? The problem is people change, and someday you may be just another old sick boy. But not only do people change but economies change. A number of all those proud big boys in 1929 ended up in a bread line, scared and hungry.

1. "Will you always be a big boy and never need help?"

Do you have life insurance?

Savings?

2. "A number of all those proud big boys in 1929 ended up in a bread line,..."

Are you referring to the economic downturn that Franklin Roosevelt engineered into a depression, one that lasted five times longer than any other such downturn in American history?

Downturn? You have no idea of that period, or what happened do you? Why didn't Hoover stop the downturn he had ample time if it was only a downturn. And what of the Republicans plan to end the downturn. Does America even know what the Republican plan was, and did the Republican plan work? The only plan I know they might have had, was "balance the budget."

1. "A number of all those proud big boys in 1929 ended up in a bread line,..."

Let's start here:

Are you referring to the economic downturn that Franklin Roosevelt engineered into a depression, one that lasted five times longer than any other such downturn in American history?

Is this true or not????


Let me help, you dunce:

2. Roosevelt took a recession and expanded it into a decade long Depression.


3. For comparison:

a. While "The Depression" is probably the only economic downturn ever studied in government schools, few ever speak of any depressions or recessions prior to the "Great Depression."

Know how many there were?

Over thirty. And the average length was a year or so.

List of recessions in the United States - List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia


b. "The Great Depression (1929-39) was the deepest and longest-lasting economic downturn in the history of the Western industrialized world. In the United States, ..."The Great Depression - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com


How ya' like dat, boyyyyeeeeeee?????

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm against socialism for a fairly simple reason: I prefer low taxes and a minimum of government bureaucracy in my life. Believe it or not, I'm a big boy who doesn't need any government to babysit me.

Will you always be a big boy and never need help? The problem is people change, and someday you may be just another old sick boy. But not only do people change but economies change. A number of all those proud big boys in 1929 ended up in a bread line, scared and hungry.

1. "Will you always be a big boy and never need help?"

Do you have life insurance?

Savings?

2. "A number of all those proud big boys in 1929 ended up in a bread line,..."

Are you referring to the economic downturn that Franklin Roosevelt engineered into a depression, one that lasted five times longer than any other such downturn in American history?

Downturn? You have no idea of that period, or what happened do you? Why didn't Hoover stop the downturn he had ample time if it was only a downturn. And what of the Republicans plan to end the downturn. Does America even know what the Republican plan was, and did the Republican plan work? The only plan I know they might have had, was "balance the budget."

1. "Downturn? You have no idea of that period, or what happened do you?"

I not only understand the period far better than you do...but I can be objective because I'm not wedded to Stalin's BFF, the racist Franklin Delano Roosevelt.


2. "Does America even know what the Republican plan was, and did the Republican plan work? The only plan I know they might have had, was "balance the budget."

Watch this, you imbecile: that was Roosevelt's plan, the one he ran on.

The basis of FDR's 1932 campaign to win the presidency from Herbert Hoover was his emphatic promise to the suffering American people, that he would balance the budget. Of course, he also promised that he would use the government to create jobs, and that they "had a right to a comfortable living."
American Founders | The Heritage Foundation


Roosevelt went further! The cause: "It arises from one cause only and that is the unbalanced budget at he continued failure of this administration to take effective steps to balance it!

If that budget had been fully and honestly balanced in 1930, some of the 1931 troubles would have been avoided. Even if it had been balanced in 1931, much of the extreme dip in 1932 would have been obviated. Every financial man in the country knows why this is true." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania


a. And this: "... carrying out the plain precept of our Party, which is to reduce the cost of current Federal Government operations by 25 percent." Ibid.


FDR's promises!!!


Can we agree that you're either a liar or a total fool?

Both?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm against socialism for a fairly simple reason: I prefer low taxes and a minimum of government bureaucracy in my life. Believe it or not, I'm a big boy who doesn't need any government to babysit me.

Will you always be a big boy and never need help? The problem is people change, and someday you may be just another old sick boy. But not only do people change but economies change. A number of all those proud big boys in 1929 ended up in a bread line, scared and hungry.

1. "Will you always be a big boy and never need help?"

Do you have life insurance?

Savings?

2. "A number of all those proud big boys in 1929 ended up in a bread line,..."

Are you referring to the economic downturn that Franklin Roosevelt engineered into a depression, one that lasted five times longer than any other such downturn in American history?

Downturn? You have no idea of that period, or what happened do you? Why didn't Hoover stop the downturn he had ample time if it was only a downturn. And what of the Republicans plan to end the downturn. Does America even know what the Republican plan was, and did the Republican plan work? The only plan I know they might have had, was "balance the budget."

1. Wanna see what a great job FDR did???

He couldn't even do better than other nations suffer the same downturn:


The League of Nations collected data from many nations throughout the 1930s on industrial production, unemployment, national debt, and taxes.
How did Roosevelt's United States compare with other countries?

In all four of these key indexes the United States did very poorly, almost worse than any other nation in the study.

Most European nations handled the Great Depression better than the United States.
World Economic Survey: Eighth Year, 1938/1939 (Geneva: League of Nations, 1939) p.128, quoted in "New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America," by Burton W. Folsom Jr


So...not only did the "great" Emperor Franklin the First manage to extend and magnify the depression, but he couldn't compete with the leaders of most European nations.


2. And why did our downturn last so long???

Because Roosevelt wanted it to....so he could ignore the Constitution and run with the other dictators.

And, he did.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Oh.....and after he was elected.....did he attempt to balance the budget?
Impose a 25% cut in spending??????

Nosirrrreeeeee.

He did the opposite, just to keep it going into a depression:

. ....to begin with, in March of 1933, he didn't fill his cabinet with persons committed to a balanced budget. A pretty much poke 'in your eye.'

Nah....instead the bunch put together the huge spending and administrative expansion of his first hundred day, Douglas knew the real deal.

Roosevelt expanded the federal government and ran up deficits much greater than those of Hoover.



The part about balancing the budget had a certain resonance as President Harding had veered sharply away from federal spending and solved as big a recession in about one year. Certainly Franklin Roosevelt knew this, as he hammered away at Hoover's spending.
October 19, 1932, he nailed Hoover, observing that in recent years federal expenses had increased by $1 billion "and that I may add, is the most reckless and extravagant past that I have been able to discover in the statistical record of any peacetime Government anywhere, any time." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania



Again?

October 19, 1932, he nailed Hoover, observing that in recent years federal expenses had increased by $1 billion "and that I may add, is the most reckless and extravagant past that I have been able to discover in the statistical record of any peacetime Government anywhere, any time."



Now….ready?

Get this:
. In the first year of the New Deal, Roosevelt proposed spending $10 billion while revenues were only $3 billion. Between 1933 and 1936, government expenditures rose by more than 83 percent. Federal debt skyrocketed by 73 percent.
Ominous Parallels



Did I mention that FDR had no economic policies, except for failed ones?

 

[regent]

Yep, FDR believed, as did much of America, that a balanced budget was an answer, but on taking office and realizing the state of the nation he changed his mind. He said he would experiment and try different things, and if they didn't work he would drop them, and that's what he did. Was Hoover's approach to the Great Depression a sample of the Republican plan, which was what? In any case FDR was America's answer to the Great Depression according to the American people and historians.

 

[regent]

So what does America use today on Republican downturns in the economy, spending ala FDR, or balancing the budget ala Republicans.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yep, FDR believed, as did much of America, that a balanced budget was an answer, but on taking office and realizing the state of the nation he changed his mind. He said he would experiment and try different things, and if they didn't work he would drop them, and that's what he did. Was Hoover's approach to the Great Depression a sample of the Republican plan, which was what? In any case FDR was America's answer to the Great Depression according to the American people and historians.

"realizing the state of the nation he changed his mind."

Of course that's false.

He knew how to stem the recession....but he envied his pals, Mussolini, Hitler, and Stalin....and saw the Constitution as a barrier that prevented him from being just as powerful as they were.

And, of course, he hated businessmen because he was a failure at same.

No....FDR knew just what to do....what he promised....but wanted to amplify that downturn.

And he did.



And every time I school you on FDR, you default to this:
"In any case FDR was America's answer to the Great Depression according to the American people and historians."



FDR was a socialist at the least, and a communist by his actions and attractions.
His status remains in tact as long as he has brain dead half-heads like you supporting him no matter the facts.



No one outside of 'Mother Russia' did more for the Bolsheviks than Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

 

[PoliticalChic]

17. To be a socialist, one must not only deny freedom to the individual, but must imagine that government has some magical ability to determine 'fairness.'



Marx: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs). Of course, different folks have different ‘needs,’ and who would not exaggerate his needs in order to gain more governmental largesse?



"The devil, as usual, is in the details. The unspoken and unrecognized assumption is that there exists some mechanism that can distribute goods and services. The only such mechanism is, and must be, the totalitarian state.

To believe this, one must accept that there exists some equation by which the state can fairly and honestly control human exchange. Here we go: increasing taxes to increase programs to increase happiness to allow equality…all of which ends up in dictatorship.




The adolescent, the Marxist, and the Liberal dream of “fairness,” brought about by the state. Silly. This would mean usurping the society decision that the skilled worker is entitled to higher pay than the unskilled. This decision is never pronounced by any authority other than the free market. It was arrived at via the interaction of human beings perfectly capable of ordering their own affairs.



If the Leftist is interested in a more ‘fair’ redistribution of wealth, let him vote for lower taxes, and then he can distribute his now larger share of his wealth to the lesser compensated folks.Illustrative of reality is the fact that the Leftist refrains from paying above the stated price for goods and services…he wants, as everyone else does, competition between said services. Only then does he stand a chance of getting a “fair” price. In his own enterprise, he strives to improve quality or lower price…’else his potential customers will take their business to others. Unless he has the power of government! " David Mamet, "The Secret Knowledge."



Soooo.....to be a socialist, one must be willing to deprive others of their freedom...
....and you must be a hypocrite, as well.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So what does America use today on Republican downturns in the economy, spending ala FDR, or balancing the budget ala Republicans.

Is there anything in my two-three posts about FDR that you are prepared to deny?

No?

Case closed.

 

[PoliticalChic]

18. And so, to be a socialist…..a Democrat voter….one must be opposed to freedom.



And now for an explanation of freedom vs. socialism, on a level our Liberal pals might understand.
"The Dog and the Wolf

A gaunt Wolf was almost dead with hunger when he happened to meet a House-dog who was passing by. "Ah, Cousin," said the Dog. "I knew how it would be; your irregular life will soon be the ruin of you. Why do you not work steadily as I do, and get your food regularly given to you?"

"I would have no objection," said the Wolf, "if I could only get a place."

"I will easily arrange that for you," said the Dog; "come with me to my master and you shall share my work."

So the Wolf and the Dog went towards the town together. On the way there the Wolf noticed that the hair on a certain part of the Dog's neck was very much worn away, so he asked him how that had come about.

"Oh, it is nothing," said the Dog. "That is only the place where the collar is put on at night to keep me chained up; it chafes a bit, but one soon gets used to it."

"Is that all?" said the Wolf. "Then good-bye to you, Master Dog."

Better starve free than be a fat slave.

There is nothing worth so much as liberty."

Aesop

 

[regent]

So what does America use today on Republican downturns in the economy, spending ala FDR, or balancing the budget ala Republicans.

Is there anything in my two-three posts about FDR that you are prepared to deny?

No?

Case closed.

Hold it, you haven't answered the above question.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So what does America use today on Republican downturns in the economy, spending ala FDR, or balancing the budget ala Republicans.

Is there anything in my two-three posts about FDR that you are prepared to deny?

No?

Case closed.

Hold it, you haven't answered the above question.

Stumble on back to me when you can find any errors in my expositions.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Under socialism a ruling class of intellectuals, bureaucrats and social planners decide what people want or what is good for society and then use coercive powers of the State to regulate, tax, and redistribute the wealth of those who work for a living.
The morality of socialism can be summed up in .... Envy is the desire to not only possess another man's wealth but also the desire to see another man's wealth lowered to the level of one's own."
"Liberalism or How to Turn Good Men into Whiners, Weenies and Wimps," by Burgess Owens

 

[danielpalos]

17. To be a socialist, one must not only deny freedom to the individual, but must imagine that government has some magical ability to determine 'fairness.'



Marx: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs). Of course, different folks have different ‘needs,’ and who would not exaggerate his needs in order to gain more governmental largesse?



"The devil, as usual, is in the details. The unspoken and unrecognized assumption is that there exists some mechanism that can distribute goods and services. The only such mechanism is, and must be, the totalitarian state.

To believe this, one must accept that there exists some equation by which the state can fairly and honestly control human exchange. Here we go: increasing taxes to increase programs to increase happiness to allow equality…all of which ends up in dictatorship.




The adolescent, the Marxist, and the Liberal dream of “fairness,” brought about by the state. Silly. This would mean usurping the society decision that the skilled worker is entitled to higher pay than the unskilled. This decision is never pronounced by any authority other than the free market. It was arrived at via the interaction of human beings perfectly capable of ordering their own affairs.



If the Leftist is interested in a more ‘fair’ redistribution of wealth, let him vote for lower taxes, and then he can distribute his now larger share of his wealth to the lesser compensated folks.Illustrative of reality is the fact that the Leftist refrains from paying above the stated price for goods and services…he wants, as everyone else does, competition between said services. Only then does he stand a chance of getting a “fair” price. In his own enterprise, he strives to improve quality or lower price…’else his potential customers will take their business to others. Unless he has the power of government! " David Mamet, "The Secret Knowledge."



Soooo.....to be a socialist, one must be willing to deprive others of their freedom...
....and you must be a hypocrite, as well.

Fixing Standards for the Union is a job of Congress.

 

[regent]

I'm against socialism for a fairly simple reason: I prefer low taxes and a minimum of government bureaucracy in my life. Believe it or not, I'm a big boy who doesn't need any government to babysit me.

Will you always be a big boy and never need help? The problem is people change, and someday you may be just another old sick boy. But not only do people change but economies change. A number of all those proud big boys in 1929 ended up in a bread line, scared and hungry.

1. "Will you always be a big boy and never need help?"

Do you have life insurance?

Savings?

2. "A number of all those proud big boys in 1929 ended up in a bread line,..."

Are you referring to the economic downturn that Franklin Roosevelt engineered into a depression, one that lasted five times longer than any other such downturn in American history?

Downturn? You have no idea of that period, or what happened do you? Why didn't Hoover stop the downturn he had ample time if it was only a downturn. And what of the Republicans plan to end the downturn. Does America even know what the Republican plan was, and did the Republican plan work? The only plan I know they might have had, was "balance the budget."

1. "A number of all those proud big boys in 1929 ended up in a bread line,..."

Let's start here:

Are you referring to the economic downturn that Franklin Roosevelt engineered into a depression, one that lasted five times longer than any other such downturn in American history?

Is this true or not????


Let me help, you dunce:

2. Roosevelt took a recession and expanded it into a decade long Depression.


3. For comparison:

a. While "The Depression" is probably the only economic downturn ever studied in government schools, few ever speak of any depressions or recessions prior to the "Great Depression."

Know how many there were?

Over thirty. And the average length was a year or so.

List of recessions in the United States - List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia


b. "The Great Depression (1929-39) was the deepest and longest-lasting economic downturn in the history of the Western industrialized world. In the United States, ..."The Great Depression - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com


How ya' like dat, boyyyyeeeeeee?????

I like it, because you say Hoover had plenty if time to end the depression before FDR ever took office. In fact, is it possible that Hoover screwed up the depression so badly that only an FDR could get the nation back on track, That certainly explains the historians rating FDR as America's best president and the people electing FDR four times,
Now I suppose you believe that since Hoover extended the depression until FDR arrived in office he should get some kind of award?