How come there are over 40,000 christian denominations and more invented daily

[Mudda]

No. Don't be silly. The standard set by nature. Nature has decided that male and female unions are how natural selection is passed down to the next generation.

Thank you for proving my point that atheists worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Nature created homosexuality and trans... as well. They are a standard of nature as well.

Diversity Is Perversity

All you are pointing out is that nature created impurities, deformities, and toxicities. Intelligence weeds them out. Intelligence never accepts what mindless nature imposes on us.

Theists believe without proof. What is worse but loudly preached as better, New Age religion believes what has been obviously disproven. Forced to choose between only those two, we have to accept religion in order to survive.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn

“More than half a century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of older people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: ‘Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.’”


“Since then I have spent well-nigh fifty years working on the history of our Revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies,

and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval...But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous Revolution that swallowed up some sixty million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: "Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.’”


“Templeton Lecture, May 10, 1983,” in The Solzhenitsyn Reader: New and Essential Writings, 1947-2005, eds. Edward E. Ericson, Jr. and Daniel J. Mahoney (Wilmington, DE: Intercollegiate Studies Institute, 2006), 577

So?

Just as you do to your cult with Biblical passages, you post these quotations as if they were undeniable mathematical proof. Free men automatically reject such authoritarian bullying attitudes. We refuse to listen to more because being so pushy is a form of verbal abuse.

Undeniable mathematical proof? No. Self evident truths that are proven through reason and experience? Yes. Reason and experience tell us that virtue is necessary for freedom and liberty. I posted those quotes in response to your comment that we have to accept religion to survive. Religion does serve a vital purpose. It does what government cannot do. It teaches morality and virtue. Without virtue and morality there can be no freedom and liberty.

Religion preaches morality and virtue? Umm... no. Religions dump on homos and women, to name just two groups. They've tortured people, burnt them at the stake, beheaded them... there's even a holy war going on in the Middle East right now...

 

[Mudda]

Why else would you call homosexuality "deviant" behaviour?

Because statistically it is a deviation from the norm.

Homosexuality is part of nature, get over it. Being left handed is a deviation from the norm, so is having green eyes... They all deviants, lol? Or just evildoers?

Right, and we don't write from right to left to accommodate them. Hence, it makes no sense to define the rule for the exception. Now do you understand?

I am not making the case that they are perverts or evil doers? That is your straw man argument. You are putting words into my mouth to avoid addressing my real argument.

I don't believe that people like yourself who prefer to have sex with the same gender are any more or any less of perverts and evil doers in our society than people who prefer to have sex with the opposite gender. Now do you understand?

Just how you try to label me gay as some sort of put down shows what a homophobe you are. Busted!

Dude, I have already covered this in posts 507, 510, 512 and 524. I don't believe being gay is a put down. Do you see it as one? I'm not a homophobe. Go and live your life as you choose. My only argument is that it doesn't make any sense at all to define the rule by exception.

So you have no problem with gay marriage? Good for you.
And being gay is prevalent in nature, so not an exception.

 

[Mudda]

The Center for the Study of Global Christianity at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary estimated 34,000 denominations in 2000, rising to an estimated 43,000 in 2012. These numbers have exploded from 1,600 in the year 1900.

so which one is the one "true" church?

Have you ever wondered by all the major world religions of today, except maybe Hinduism, is all based upon the God of the Bible?

No? The hell you say

Because it's easier to use existing doctrine and books (and believers) than to come up with your own from scratch.

 

[ding]

The Center for the Study of Global Christianity at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary estimated 34,000 denominations in 2000, rising to an estimated 43,000 in 2012. These numbers have exploded from 1,600 in the year 1900.

so which one is the one "true" church?

Have you ever wondered by all the major world religions of today, except maybe Hinduism, is all based upon the God of the Bible?

No? The hell you say

Could you break that down for me then? So excluding Judea/Christianity which other religions are based on the God of the OT? I'll start the list with Islam, ok? Which other religion is based on the God of the OT?

 

[ding]

Yes, prove the Bible is wrong.

The universe and everything in it weren't made in 6 days. Need more? That was only page 1.

Dear Mudda the 6 days represent 6 stages.
So depending how you define what these 6 stages mean, this can be universal or relative,
it can be right to some people and different for someone else's perspective on life.

This is faith based, and cannot be proven or disproven right or wrong,
just relative to each person if it has meaning or not. It only makes sense that if someone is actually using
the Bible as a reference, they would use the interpretation to refer to something
REAL that has meaning to them, and thus it represents something true TO THEM.

Now, other people may take what the Bible means to that person,
and say that doesn't relate or isn't true for them. But that doesn't make it untrue.
That interpretation still represents something true for them,
even if it isn't "universal" for all people. A relative truth is still part of the greater collective truth.

You're wrong, the bible says 6 days, and means 6 days. Please try again.

An atheist defining what the Bible means? Whaaaaaat?

 

[ding]

Because statistically it is a deviation from the norm.

Homosexuality is part of nature, get over it. Being left handed is a deviation from the norm, so is having green eyes... They all deviants, lol? Or just evildoers?

Right, and we don't write from right to left to accommodate them. Hence, it makes no sense to define the rule for the exception. Now do you understand?

I am not making the case that they are perverts or evil doers? That is your straw man argument. You are putting words into my mouth to avoid addressing my real argument.

I don't believe that people like yourself who prefer to have sex with the same gender are any more or any less of perverts and evil doers in our society than people who prefer to have sex with the opposite gender. Now do you understand?

Just how you try to label me gay as some sort of put down shows what a homophobe you are. Busted!

Dear Mudda and you mislabeled me as being hateful when I am not.
So you are at least even with ding, in misjudging people online.

Can I ask you why you think it is hateful if people like me accept
my friends whether they come out gay transgender or straight after going through spiritual healing?

Are you saying that if I accept both, that's hateful?
So I should only accept the one who come out gay
and REJECT the ones who come out straight?

Can you explain how that is being hateful
to accept them no matter how they might change or not change
and trust them either way?

I have a friend who came out transgender
and one who gave up the idea he needed to transition like his father did to a woman
and decided to stay male.

I have friends who are both gay and those who are straight
and have helped counsel and heal people who were gay because of child abuse,
and who changed after that abuse was healed.

Are you saying I should reject any of these people?
Are you saying if I accept them all, then that is hateful?
How? Why can't I let my friends be who they are and accept them no matter
what they believe?

You healed people from being gay?

See? There may be hope for you yet, lol.

 

[Mudda]

Homosexuality is part of nature, get over it. Being left handed is a deviation from the norm, so is having green eyes... They all deviants, lol? Or just evildoers?

Right, and we don't write from right to left to accommodate them. Hence, it makes no sense to define the rule for the exception. Now do you understand?

I am not making the case that they are perverts or evil doers? That is your straw man argument. You are putting words into my mouth to avoid addressing my real argument.

I don't believe that people like yourself who prefer to have sex with the same gender are any more or any less of perverts and evil doers in our society than people who prefer to have sex with the opposite gender. Now do you understand?

Just how you try to label me gay as some sort of put down shows what a homophobe you are. Busted!

Dear Mudda and you mislabeled me as being hateful when I am not.
So you are at least even with ding, in misjudging people online.

Can I ask you why you think it is hateful if people like me accept
my friends whether they come out gay transgender or straight after going through spiritual healing?

Are you saying that if I accept both, that's hateful?
So I should only accept the one who come out gay
and REJECT the ones who come out straight?

Can you explain how that is being hateful
to accept them no matter how they might change or not change
and trust them either way?

I have a friend who came out transgender
and one who gave up the idea he needed to transition like his father did to a woman
and decided to stay male.

I have friends who are both gay and those who are straight
and have helped counsel and heal people who were gay because of child abuse,
and who changed after that abuse was healed.

Are you saying I should reject any of these people?
Are you saying if I accept them all, then that is hateful?
How? Why can't I let my friends be who they are and accept them no matter
what they believe?

You healed people from being gay?

See? There may be hope for you yet, lol.

See? You say that as though it's a put-down.

 

[ding]

Dear ding
Because Mudda does not have any knowledge, understanding or experience with spiritual healing
being used to change people's orientation or identity in cases when this is "unnaturally caused by abuse"
this is causing a bias that you and I must be injecting some opposition to homosexuality for religious reasons
that aren't even true. This wrongful impression can be changed if it is understood spiritual healing is not false or coerced but helps those who agree that the homosexuality is not natural for them but was caused by unnatural circumstances they agree to go through the therapy to heal from. So the unwanted homosexual attractions they decide are unnatural for them will change because and where it is attached to the unnatural abuse that is the focus of healing therapy.

See the source I cited for therapy that has effectively helped people change, but is NOT hateful and is NOT rejecting or judging anyone for homosexuality yet it still recognizes that homosexuality is NOT the natural default state and it CAN be changed as part of someone's spiritual process:
How To Defeat Homosexual Activists 101 A Real Education

If more people understand this process is based on forgiveness, inclusion and acceptance
and NOT on judgement rejection coercion fear guilt or anything negative,
then this fear can stop that people are being hateful about it. This spiritual healing process
is the same whether people are overcoming barriers and coming out either gay or straight. It is not about dictating or judging what someone is naturally, but helping them restore and make peace with whatever their natural state is.

You're a hateful homophobe, thinking you can change people's sexual orientation. That and you're nuts.

Is there like a modern liberal go to playbook that all of you socialists use? If so, it needs some updating because playing the, "you must be a racist" or "you must be a homophe" cards straight out of the gate is hilarious.

 

[ding]

Right, and we don't write from right to left to accommodate them. Hence, it makes no sense to define the rule for the exception. Now do you understand?

I am not making the case that they are perverts or evil doers? That is your straw man argument. You are putting words into my mouth to avoid addressing my real argument.

I don't believe that people like yourself who prefer to have sex with the same gender are any more or any less of perverts and evil doers in our society than people who prefer to have sex with the opposite gender. Now do you understand?

Just how you try to label me gay as some sort of put down shows what a homophobe you are. Busted!

Dear Mudda and you mislabeled me as being hateful when I am not.
So you are at least even with ding, in misjudging people online.

Can I ask you why you think it is hateful if people like me accept
my friends whether they come out gay transgender or straight after going through spiritual healing?

Are you saying that if I accept both, that's hateful?
So I should only accept the one who come out gay
and REJECT the ones who come out straight?

Can you explain how that is being hateful
to accept them no matter how they might change or not change
and trust them either way?

I have a friend who came out transgender
and one who gave up the idea he needed to transition like his father did to a woman
and decided to stay male.

I have friends who are both gay and those who are straight
and have helped counsel and heal people who were gay because of child abuse,
and who changed after that abuse was healed.

Are you saying I should reject any of these people?
Are you saying if I accept them all, then that is hateful?
How? Why can't I let my friends be who they are and accept them no matter
what they believe?

You healed people from being gay?

See? There may be hope for you yet, lol.

See? You say that as though it's a put-down.

No, not at all. You are the one who said it is a put down. You must be a homophobe.

I say it because I am cracking my ass up laughing about all of this. It's damn funny.

Oh dear... I have no morality save that of self pleasure!

 

[Mudda]

Dear ding
Because Mudda does not have any knowledge, understanding or experience with spiritual healing
being used to change people's orientation or identity in cases when this is "unnaturally caused by abuse"
this is causing a bias that you and I must be injecting some opposition to homosexuality for religious reasons
that aren't even true. This wrongful impression can be changed if it is understood spiritual healing is not false or coerced but helps those who agree that the homosexuality is not natural for them but was caused by unnatural circumstances they agree to go through the therapy to heal from. So the unwanted homosexual attractions they decide are unnatural for them will change because and where it is attached to the unnatural abuse that is the focus of healing therapy.

See the source I cited for therapy that has effectively helped people change, but is NOT hateful and is NOT rejecting or judging anyone for homosexuality yet it still recognizes that homosexuality is NOT the natural default state and it CAN be changed as part of someone's spiritual process:
How To Defeat Homosexual Activists 101 A Real Education

If more people understand this process is based on forgiveness, inclusion and acceptance
and NOT on judgement rejection coercion fear guilt or anything negative,
then this fear can stop that people are being hateful about it. This spiritual healing process
is the same whether people are overcoming barriers and coming out either gay or straight. It is not about dictating or judging what someone is naturally, but helping them restore and make peace with whatever their natural state is.

You're a hateful homophobe, thinking you can change people's sexual orientation. That and you're nuts.

Is there like a modern liberal go to playbook that all of you socialists use? If so, it needs some updating because playing the, "you must be a racists" or "you must be a homophe" cards straight out of the gate is hilarious.

Ok, she's just nuts.

 

[Mudda]

Oh dear... I have no morality save that of self pleasure!

Doesn't the bible say you'll go blind if you do that?

 

[ding]

 

[ding]

Dear ding
Because Mudda does not have any knowledge, understanding or experience with spiritual healing
being used to change people's orientation or identity in cases when this is "unnaturally caused by abuse"
this is causing a bias that you and I must be injecting some opposition to homosexuality for religious reasons
that aren't even true. This wrongful impression can be changed if it is understood spiritual healing is not false or coerced but helps those who agree that the homosexuality is not natural for them but was caused by unnatural circumstances they agree to go through the therapy to heal from. So the unwanted homosexual attractions they decide are unnatural for them will change because and where it is attached to the unnatural abuse that is the focus of healing therapy.

See the source I cited for therapy that has effectively helped people change, but is NOT hateful and is NOT rejecting or judging anyone for homosexuality yet it still recognizes that homosexuality is NOT the natural default state and it CAN be changed as part of someone's spiritual process:
How To Defeat Homosexual Activists 101 A Real Education

If more people understand this process is based on forgiveness, inclusion and acceptance
and NOT on judgement rejection coercion fear guilt or anything negative,
then this fear can stop that people are being hateful about it. This spiritual healing process
is the same whether people are overcoming barriers and coming out either gay or straight. It is not about dictating or judging what someone is naturally, but helping them restore and make peace with whatever their natural state is.

You're a hateful homophobe, thinking you can change people's sexual orientation. That and you're nuts.

Is there like a modern liberal go to playbook that all of you socialists use? If so, it needs some updating because playing the, "you must be a racists" or "you must be a homophe" cards straight out of the gate is hilarious.

Ok, she's just nuts.

I like her. She is sweet. Nuts would be someone spending their time discussing something they don't believe in. That's nuts.

 

[Mudda]

Dear ding
Because Mudda does not have any knowledge, understanding or experience with spiritual healing
being used to change people's orientation or identity in cases when this is "unnaturally caused by abuse"
this is causing a bias that you and I must be injecting some opposition to homosexuality for religious reasons
that aren't even true. This wrongful impression can be changed if it is understood spiritual healing is not false or coerced but helps those who agree that the homosexuality is not natural for them but was caused by unnatural circumstances they agree to go through the therapy to heal from. So the unwanted homosexual attractions they decide are unnatural for them will change because and where it is attached to the unnatural abuse that is the focus of healing therapy.

See the source I cited for therapy that has effectively helped people change, but is NOT hateful and is NOT rejecting or judging anyone for homosexuality yet it still recognizes that homosexuality is NOT the natural default state and it CAN be changed as part of someone's spiritual process:
How To Defeat Homosexual Activists 101 A Real Education

If more people understand this process is based on forgiveness, inclusion and acceptance
and NOT on judgement rejection coercion fear guilt or anything negative,
then this fear can stop that people are being hateful about it. This spiritual healing process
is the same whether people are overcoming barriers and coming out either gay or straight. It is not about dictating or judging what someone is naturally, but helping them restore and make peace with whatever their natural state is.

You're a hateful homophobe, thinking you can change people's sexual orientation. That and you're nuts.

Is there like a modern liberal go to playbook that all of you socialists use? If so, it needs some updating because playing the, "you must be a racists" or "you must be a homophe" cards straight out of the gate is hilarious.

Ok, she's just nuts.

I like her. She is sweet. Nuts would be someone spending their time discussing something they don't believe in. That's nuts.

Like you defending a bible you don't believe is true?

 

[ding]

Dear ding
Because Mudda does not have any knowledge, understanding or experience with spiritual healing
being used to change people's orientation or identity in cases when this is "unnaturally caused by abuse"
this is causing a bias that you and I must be injecting some opposition to homosexuality for religious reasons
that aren't even true. This wrongful impression can be changed if it is understood spiritual healing is not false or coerced but helps those who agree that the homosexuality is not natural for them but was caused by unnatural circumstances they agree to go through the therapy to heal from. So the unwanted homosexual attractions they decide are unnatural for them will change because and where it is attached to the unnatural abuse that is the focus of healing therapy.

See the source I cited for therapy that has effectively helped people change, but is NOT hateful and is NOT rejecting or judging anyone for homosexuality yet it still recognizes that homosexuality is NOT the natural default state and it CAN be changed as part of someone's spiritual process:
How To Defeat Homosexual Activists 101 A Real Education

If more people understand this process is based on forgiveness, inclusion and acceptance
and NOT on judgement rejection coercion fear guilt or anything negative,
then this fear can stop that people are being hateful about it. This spiritual healing process
is the same whether people are overcoming barriers and coming out either gay or straight. It is not about dictating or judging what someone is naturally, but helping them restore and make peace with whatever their natural state is.

You're a hateful homophobe, thinking you can change people's sexual orientation. That and you're nuts.

Is there like a modern liberal go to playbook that all of you socialists use? If so, it needs some updating because playing the, "you must be a racists" or "you must be a homophe" cards straight out of the gate is hilarious.

Ok, she's just nuts.

I like her. She is sweet. Nuts would be someone spending their time discussing something they don't believe in. That's nuts.

Like you defending a bible you don't believe is true?

You keep saying that, but we both know that isn't true. But then again it is all you have. So, I forgive you.

 

[Mudda]

You're a hateful homophobe, thinking you can change people's sexual orientation. That and you're nuts.

Is there like a modern liberal go to playbook that all of you socialists use? If so, it needs some updating because playing the, "you must be a racists" or "you must be a homophe" cards straight out of the gate is hilarious.

Ok, she's just nuts.

I like her. She is sweet. Nuts would be someone spending their time discussing something they don't believe in. That's nuts.

Like you defending a bible you don't believe is true?

You keep saying that, but we both know that isn't true. But then again it is all you have. So, I forgive you.

So how did Noah get marsupials from Australia and back again?

 

[ding]

Is there like a modern liberal go to playbook that all of you socialists use? If so, it needs some updating because playing the, "you must be a racists" or "you must be a homophe" cards straight out of the gate is hilarious.

Ok, she's just nuts.

I like her. She is sweet. Nuts would be someone spending their time discussing something they don't believe in. That's nuts.

Like you defending a bible you don't believe is true?

You keep saying that, but we both know that isn't true. But then again it is all you have. So, I forgive you.

So how did Noah get marsupials from Australia and back again?

That too was an allegorical account.

 

[Mudda]

Ok, she's just nuts.

I like her. She is sweet. Nuts would be someone spending their time discussing something they don't believe in. That's nuts.

Like you defending a bible you don't believe is true?

You keep saying that, but we both know that isn't true. But then again it is all you have. So, I forgive you.

So how did Noah get marsupials from Australia and back again?

That too was an allegorical account.

So what sect of Christianity doesn't believe that the bible stories are true? I bet you're wearing magic underwear.

 

[ding]

I like her. She is sweet. Nuts would be someone spending their time discussing something they don't believe in. That's nuts.

Like you defending a bible you don't believe is true?

You keep saying that, but we both know that isn't true. But then again it is all you have. So, I forgive you.

So how did Noah get marsupials from Australia and back again?

That too was an allegorical account.

So what sect of Christianity doesn't believe that the bible stories are true? I bet you're wearing magic underwear.

The account of Genesis is allegorical. God did not magically create the universe in one step. He set the rules of nature and let nature take its course. You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise. Here is the proof you have been looking for. Maybe one day, you will realize that the exact moment you lost this argument was when you admitted that tangible items could be used as evidence. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

 

[Mudda]

Like you defending a bible you don't believe is true?

You keep saying that, but we both know that isn't true. But then again it is all you have. So, I forgive you.

So how did Noah get marsupials from Australia and back again?

That too was an allegorical account.

So what sect of Christianity doesn't believe that the bible stories are true? I bet you're wearing magic underwear.

The account of Genesis is allegorical. God did not magically create the universe in one step. He set the rules of nature and let nature take its course. You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise. Here is the proof you have been looking for. Maybe one day, you will realize that the exact moment you lost this argument was when you admitted that tangible items could be used as evidence. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

"You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise." Other than hindsight, you have nothing, admit it.