How come there are over 40,000 christian denominations and more invented daily

[ding]

What standard? The one set by the book you agree isn't true?

No. Don't be silly. The standard set by nature. Nature has decided that male and female unions are how natural selection is passed down to the next generation.

Thank you for proving my point that atheists worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Nature created homosexuality and trans... as well. They are a standard of nature as well.

Diversity Is Perversity

All you are pointing out is that nature created impurities, deformities, and toxicities. Intelligence weeds them out. Intelligence never accepts what mindless nature imposes on us.

Theists believe without proof. What is worse but loudly preached as better, New Age religion believes what has been obviously disproven. Forced to choose between only those two, we have to accept religion in order to survive.

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports...In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens...”

The Will of the People: Readings in American Democracy (Chicago: Great Books Foundation, 2001), 38.

“…And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion...reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”

The Will of the People: Readings in American Democracy (Chicago: Great Books Foundation, 2001), 38.

“Statesmen, my dear Sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand.” John Adams Letter of June 21, 1776, quoted in The Wall Builder Report, Summer 1993

The Works of John Adams – Second President of theUnited States, ed. Charles Francis Adams (Boston: Little, Brown & Co., 1854), 9:401.

“Religion and good morals are the only solid foundations of public liberty and happiness.”

Paul H. Smith, Gerard W. Gawalt, Rosemary Fry Plakes, et. al., Letters of Delegates to Congress, 1774-1789, volume 11, October 1 1778-January 31 1779.

I think you're in the wrong threat, "Irrelevant Quotes" is two threads over.

But they were not irrelevant. The thread is about Christian denominations and I was replying to a comment about how religion serves an important role in society. If anyone is creating irrelevant comments it would be you. You are an atheist posting in a religious thread. What are you doing here?

 

[emilynghiem]

The Center for the Study of Global Christianity at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary estimated 34,000 denominations in 2000, rising to an estimated 43,000 in 2012. These numbers have exploded from 1,600 in the year 1900.

so which one is the one "true" church?

Dear guno
the church means the people.
So where all the people unite as one body, that is the body of Christ or the church.
NOTE: That doesn't mean we speak all the same language.
the same way the Native Americans had multiple tribes under one council or confederation,
and the US has several states united as one union,
the people making up diverse humanity
will have many nations and tribes, many denominations, united as one spiritual family.

If you look up the Bahai and the UU, the idea of universalism is inclusion of all
people and callings as one web of life.

Where we all join in harmony by Conscience that is what it means to
be united in Christ. We still retain our cultural identities.
So we are like branches of one tree, joined at the trunk.

 

[emilynghiem]

Sure it is. So what? Technically everything that has occurred or exists since the beginning of space and time is part of nature. So what? It isn't a question of nature, it is a question of deviance from a standard. Diversity is great. I love diversity. Diversity serves a vital purpose. But just because diversity is great and serves a purpose, that doesn't mean we should define the rule through exception.

I love the sound of a squirming concession. Good for you.

Is that the best you can offer? Would you like to try again?

Technically everything that has occurred or exists since the beginning of space and time is part of nature. So what? It isn't a question of nature, it is a question of deviance from a standard. Diversity is great. I love diversity. Diversity serves a vital purpose. But just because diversity is great and serves a purpose, that doesn't mean we should define the rule through exception.

What standard? The one set by the book you agree isn't true?

No. Don't be silly. The standard set by nature. Nature has decided that male and female unions are how natural selection is passed down to the next generation.

Thank you for proving my point that atheists worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Nature created homosexuality and trans... as well. They are a standard of nature as well.

Dear Mudda

I would not call it a standard. The homosexual % of the population is at most 4% and the transgender
a fraction of that. Unless race or gender that is determined by genetics, orientation and identity
are spiritual and these can change by spiritual healing and process.

I agree if people have LBGT beliefs, that is their identity as any other faith-based creed culture or belief.
But I believe this is part of a spiritual process, and is not a fixed standard of nature.

 

[Mudda]

I love the sound of a squirming concession. Good for you.

Is that the best you can offer? Would you like to try again?

Technically everything that has occurred or exists since the beginning of space and time is part of nature. So what? It isn't a question of nature, it is a question of deviance from a standard. Diversity is great. I love diversity. Diversity serves a vital purpose. But just because diversity is great and serves a purpose, that doesn't mean we should define the rule through exception.

What standard? The one set by the book you agree isn't true?

No. Don't be silly. The standard set by nature. Nature has decided that male and female unions are how natural selection is passed down to the next generation.

Thank you for proving my point that atheists worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Nature created homosexuality and trans... as well. They are a standard of nature as well.

Dear Mudda

I would not call it a standard. The homosexual % of the population is at most 4% and the transgender
a fraction of that. Unless race or gender that is determined by genetics, orientation and identity
are spiritual and these can change by spiritual healing and process.

I agree if people have LBGT beliefs, that is their identity as any other faith-based creed culture or belief.
But I believe this is part of a spiritual process, and is not a fixed standard of nature.

Homosexuality is found throughout nature, making it a standard of nature.

 

[emilynghiem]

Is that the best you can offer? Would you like to try again?

Technically everything that has occurred or exists since the beginning of space and time is part of nature. So what? It isn't a question of nature, it is a question of deviance from a standard. Diversity is great. I love diversity. Diversity serves a vital purpose. But just because diversity is great and serves a purpose, that doesn't mean we should define the rule through exception.

What standard? The one set by the book you agree isn't true?

No. Don't be silly. The standard set by nature. Nature has decided that male and female unions are how natural selection is passed down to the next generation.

Thank you for proving my point that atheists worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Nature created homosexuality and trans... as well. They are a standard of nature as well.

Dear Mudda

I would not call it a standard. The homosexual % of the population is at most 4% and the transgender
a fraction of that. Unless race or gender that is determined by genetics, orientation and identity
are spiritual and these can change by spiritual healing and process.

I agree if people have LBGT beliefs, that is their identity as any other faith-based creed culture or belief.
But I believe this is part of a spiritual process, and is not a fixed standard of nature.

Homosexuality is found throughout nature, making it a standard of nature.

So if cancer is found in nature, is cancer a standard of nature Mudda

 

[Mudda]

What standard? The one set by the book you agree isn't true?

No. Don't be silly. The standard set by nature. Nature has decided that male and female unions are how natural selection is passed down to the next generation.

Thank you for proving my point that atheists worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Nature created homosexuality and trans... as well. They are a standard of nature as well.

Dear Mudda

I would not call it a standard. The homosexual % of the population is at most 4% and the transgender
a fraction of that. Unless race or gender that is determined by genetics, orientation and identity
are spiritual and these can change by spiritual healing and process.

I agree if people have LBGT beliefs, that is their identity as any other faith-based creed culture or belief.
But I believe this is part of a spiritual process, and is not a fixed standard of nature.

Homosexuality is found throughout nature, making it a standard of nature.

So if cancer is found in nature, is cancer a standard of nature Mudda

Yes.

 

[ding]

Is that the best you can offer? Would you like to try again?

Technically everything that has occurred or exists since the beginning of space and time is part of nature. So what? It isn't a question of nature, it is a question of deviance from a standard. Diversity is great. I love diversity. Diversity serves a vital purpose. But just because diversity is great and serves a purpose, that doesn't mean we should define the rule through exception.

What standard? The one set by the book you agree isn't true?

No. Don't be silly. The standard set by nature. Nature has decided that male and female unions are how natural selection is passed down to the next generation.

Thank you for proving my point that atheists worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Nature created homosexuality and trans... as well. They are a standard of nature as well.

Dear Mudda

I would not call it a standard. The homosexual % of the population is at most 4% and the transgender
a fraction of that. Unless race or gender that is determined by genetics, orientation and identity
are spiritual and these can change by spiritual healing and process.

I agree if people have LBGT beliefs, that is their identity as any other faith-based creed culture or belief.
But I believe this is part of a spiritual process, and is not a fixed standard of nature.

Homosexuality is found throughout nature, making it a standard of nature.

You have absolutely no concept of what the word deviant means, do you.

deviant: departing from usual or accepted standards, especially in social or sexual behavior.

 

[ding]

No. Don't be silly. The standard set by nature. Nature has decided that male and female unions are how natural selection is passed down to the next generation.

Thank you for proving my point that atheists worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Nature created homosexuality and trans... as well. They are a standard of nature as well.

Dear Mudda

I would not call it a standard. The homosexual % of the population is at most 4% and the transgender
a fraction of that. Unless race or gender that is determined by genetics, orientation and identity
are spiritual and these can change by spiritual healing and process.

I agree if people have LBGT beliefs, that is their identity as any other faith-based creed culture or belief.
But I believe this is part of a spiritual process, and is not a fixed standard of nature.

Homosexuality is found throughout nature, making it a standard of nature.

So if cancer is found in nature, is cancer a standard of nature Mudda

Yes.

So are you saying that cancer and homosexuality are the same? Just kidding, I was using Mudda logic there.

 

[Mudda]

What standard? The one set by the book you agree isn't true?

No. Don't be silly. The standard set by nature. Nature has decided that male and female unions are how natural selection is passed down to the next generation.

Thank you for proving my point that atheists worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Nature created homosexuality and trans... as well. They are a standard of nature as well.

Dear Mudda

I would not call it a standard. The homosexual % of the population is at most 4% and the transgender
a fraction of that. Unless race or gender that is determined by genetics, orientation and identity
are spiritual and these can change by spiritual healing and process.

I agree if people have LBGT beliefs, that is their identity as any other faith-based creed culture or belief.
But I believe this is part of a spiritual process, and is not a fixed standard of nature.

Homosexuality is found throughout nature, making it a standard of nature.

You have absolutely no concept of what the word deviant means, do you.

deviant: departing from usual or accepted standards, especially in social or sexual behavior.

Homosexuality is an accepted standard by everyone except homophobes like you.

 

[ding]

No. Don't be silly. The standard set by nature. Nature has decided that male and female unions are how natural selection is passed down to the next generation.

Thank you for proving my point that atheists worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Nature created homosexuality and trans... as well. They are a standard of nature as well.

Dear Mudda

I would not call it a standard. The homosexual % of the population is at most 4% and the transgender
a fraction of that. Unless race or gender that is determined by genetics, orientation and identity
are spiritual and these can change by spiritual healing and process.

I agree if people have LBGT beliefs, that is their identity as any other faith-based creed culture or belief.
But I believe this is part of a spiritual process, and is not a fixed standard of nature.

Homosexuality is found throughout nature, making it a standard of nature.

You have absolutely no concept of what the word deviant means, do you.

deviant: departing from usual or accepted standards, especially in social or sexual behavior.

Homosexuality is an accepted standard by everyone except homophobes like you.

lol, I'm not a homophobe though. I accept your choice to have sex with same gender. I really do. Seriously. Please go forth and fornicate with my blessing. What else would you like for me to do for you?

 

[Mudda]

Nature created homosexuality and trans... as well. They are a standard of nature as well.

Dear Mudda

I would not call it a standard. The homosexual % of the population is at most 4% and the transgender
a fraction of that. Unless race or gender that is determined by genetics, orientation and identity
are spiritual and these can change by spiritual healing and process.

I agree if people have LBGT beliefs, that is their identity as any other faith-based creed culture or belief.
But I believe this is part of a spiritual process, and is not a fixed standard of nature.

Homosexuality is found throughout nature, making it a standard of nature.

You have absolutely no concept of what the word deviant means, do you.

deviant: departing from usual or accepted standards, especially in social or sexual behavior.

Homosexuality is an accepted standard by everyone except homophobes like you.

lol, I'm not a homophobe though. I accept your choice to have sex with same gender. I really do. Seriously. Please go forth and fornicate with my blessing. What else would you like for me to do for you?

Why else would you call homosexuality "deviant" behaviour?

 

[ding]

Dear Mudda

I would not call it a standard. The homosexual % of the population is at most 4% and the transgender
a fraction of that. Unless race or gender that is determined by genetics, orientation and identity
are spiritual and these can change by spiritual healing and process.

I agree if people have LBGT beliefs, that is their identity as any other faith-based creed culture or belief.
But I believe this is part of a spiritual process, and is not a fixed standard of nature.

Homosexuality is found throughout nature, making it a standard of nature.

You have absolutely no concept of what the word deviant means, do you.

deviant: departing from usual or accepted standards, especially in social or sexual behavior.

Homosexuality is an accepted standard by everyone except homophobes like you.

lol, I'm not a homophobe though. I accept your choice to have sex with same gender. I really do. Seriously. Please go forth and fornicate with my blessing. What else would you like for me to do for you?

Why else would you call homosexuality "deviant" behaviour?

Because statistically it is a deviation from the norm.

 

[Mudda]

Homosexuality is found throughout nature, making it a standard of nature.

You have absolutely no concept of what the word deviant means, do you.

deviant: departing from usual or accepted standards, especially in social or sexual behavior.

Homosexuality is an accepted standard by everyone except homophobes like you.

lol, I'm not a homophobe though. I accept your choice to have sex with same gender. I really do. Seriously. Please go forth and fornicate with my blessing. What else would you like for me to do for you?

Why else would you call homosexuality "deviant" behaviour?

Because statistically it is a deviation from the norm.

Homosexuality is part of nature, get over it. Being left handed is a deviation from the norm, so is having green eyes... They all deviants, lol? Or just evildoers?

 

[Meriweather]

Homosexuality is part of nature, get over it. Being left handed is a deviation from the norm, so is having green eyes... They all deviants, lol? Or just evildoers?

Consider there may be some unintended cross-purposes here. For example, you appear to have a prejudicial concept of 'deviant' or 'deviance'. Perhaps consider that Ding is using the term in a non-prejudicial manner. My Grandmother was left-handed, my daughter is left-handed, and these were two who had to adapt to being the minority (or the deviants) in a right-handed world. Being a deviation or a minority doesn't always equate to something evil. There is the norm or the usual, and then there is the deviation. Genius is as much deviation from the norm as extremely low IQ is.

As a teacher, I often use the word "justify" which means give reasons that support a statement or an opinion. Outside school, I once, unintentionally, made someone furious when I used the same word. This person had more of a legal background, and "justify" was more often used when wanting someone to offer an excuse for bad behavior. Instead of understanding that I sincerely wished to know how she reached a legitimate opinion, she thought I was condemning her opinion and she only could offer excuses in support of it. Your conversation with Ding reminds me of this other time when a conversation took an unexpected/unintended turn because people were using two definitions of the same word.

 

[Mudda]

Homosexuality is part of nature, get over it. Being left handed is a deviation from the norm, so is having green eyes... They all deviants, lol? Or just evildoers?

Consider there may be some unintended cross-purposes here. For example, you appear to have a prejudicial concept of 'deviant' or 'deviance'. Perhaps consider that Ding is using the term in a non-prejudicial manner. My Grandmother was left-handed, my daughter is left-handed, and these were two who had to adapt to being the minority (or the deviants) in a right-handed world. Being a deviation or a minority doesn't always equate to something evil. There is the norm or the usual, and then there is the deviation. Genius is as much deviation from the norm as extremely low IQ is.

As a teacher, I often use the word "justify" which means give reasons that support a statement or an opinion. Outside school, I once, unintentionally, made someone furious when I used the same word. This person had more of a legal background, and "justify" was more often used when wanting someone to offer an excuse for bad behavior. Instead of understanding that I sincerely wished to know how she reached a legitimate opinion, she thought I was condemning her opinion and she only could offer excuses in support of it. Your conversation with Ding reminds me of this other time when a conversation took an unexpected/unintended turn because people were using two definitions of the same word.

He calls homosexuality deviant behaviour. We all know what he means, he means he's a homophobe.

 

[Meriweather]

He calls homosexuality deviant behaviour. We all know what he means, he means he's a homophobe.

Not the impression I am getting. But then between teaching science and grammar, I am probably more agile in moving between definitions. Plus, try using the word "shoot" outside photography classes or clubs. Some people are convinced "shooting" should mean one thing and one thing only.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Is that the best you can offer? Would you like to try again?

Technically everything that has occurred or exists since the beginning of space and time is part of nature. So what? It isn't a question of nature, it is a question of deviance from a standard. Diversity is great. I love diversity. Diversity serves a vital purpose. But just because diversity is great and serves a purpose, that doesn't mean we should define the rule through exception.

What standard? The one set by the book you agree isn't true?

No. Don't be silly. The standard set by nature. Nature has decided that male and female unions are how natural selection is passed down to the next generation.

Thank you for proving my point that atheists worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Nature created homosexuality and trans... as well. They are a standard of nature as well.

Diversity Is Perversity

All you are pointing out is that nature created impurities, deformities, and toxicities. Intelligence weeds them out. Intelligence never accepts what mindless nature imposes on us.

Theists believe without proof. What is worse but loudly preached as better, New Age religion believes what has been obviously disproven. Forced to choose between only those two, we have to accept religion in order to survive.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn

“More than half a century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of older people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: ‘Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.’”


“Since then I have spent well-nigh fifty years working on the history of our Revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies,

and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval...But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous Revolution that swallowed up some sixty million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: "Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.’”


“Templeton Lecture, May 10, 1983,” in The Solzhenitsyn Reader: New and Essential Writings, 1947-2005, eds. Edward E. Ericson, Jr. and Daniel J. Mahoney (Wilmington, DE: Intercollegiate Studies Institute, 2006), 577

So?

Just as you do to your cult with Biblical passages, you post these quotations as if they were undeniable mathematical proof. Free men automatically reject such authoritarian bullying attitudes. We refuse to listen to more because being so pushy is a form of verbal abuse.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Homosexuality is part of nature, get over it. Being left handed is a deviation from the norm, so is having green eyes... They all deviants, lol? Or just evildoers?

Consider there may be some unintended cross-purposes here. For example, you appear to have a prejudicial concept of 'deviant' or 'deviance'. Perhaps consider that Ding is using the term in a non-prejudicial manner. My Grandmother was left-handed, my daughter is left-handed, and these were two who had to adapt to being the minority (or the deviants) in a right-handed world. Being a deviation or a minority doesn't always equate to something evil. There is the norm or the usual, and then there is the deviation. Genius is as much deviation from the norm as extremely low IQ is.

As a teacher, I often use the word "justify" which means give reasons that support a statement or an opinion. Outside school, I once, unintentionally, made someone furious when I used the same word. This person had more of a legal background, and "justify" was more often used when wanting someone to offer an excuse for bad behavior. Instead of understanding that I sincerely wished to know how she reached a legitimate opinion, she thought I was condemning her opinion and she only could offer excuses in support of it. Your conversation with Ding reminds me of this other time when a conversation took an unexpected/unintended turn because people were using two definitions of the same word.

Heterophobia Will Be Suppressed

He calls homosexuality deviant behaviour. We all know what he means, he means he's a homophobe.

You prove my point. The only reason you are against Christianity is that you believe it is the only thing blocking LGBT rights. But in the real world, practically all aversion to Gayists is based on non-religious reactions, so weakening Christianity won't save your own cult.

 

[emilynghiem]

No. Don't be silly. The standard set by nature. Nature has decided that male and female unions are how natural selection is passed down to the next generation.

Thank you for proving my point that atheists worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Nature created homosexuality and trans... as well. They are a standard of nature as well.

Dear Mudda

I would not call it a standard. The homosexual % of the population is at most 4% and the transgender
a fraction of that. Unless race or gender that is determined by genetics, orientation and identity
are spiritual and these can change by spiritual healing and process.

I agree if people have LBGT beliefs, that is their identity as any other faith-based creed culture or belief.
But I believe this is part of a spiritual process, and is not a fixed standard of nature.

Homosexuality is found throughout nature, making it a standard of nature.

So if cancer is found in nature, is cancer a standard of nature Mudda

Yes.

Thank you Mudda at least you are fair and consistent with your terms.
One of my atheist friends also answered this question yes, he sees the
sexuality issue as natural and also other anomalies we call diseases
to be naturally occurring. That is fair and consistent, thank you.

Now, If I bring up the issue of spiritual healing, and how this has been
applied to either cure the cause of cancer, or leave people's conditions unchanged.
And also with homosexuality, where in some cases after people let go forgive and are healed spiritually,
they come out as either straight or gay, as transgender, or give up that orientation and identity and no longer feel or identify as transgender or gay,
are you okay with this concept of using "spiritual healing" to restore people's natural "default" state.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

No. Don't be silly. The standard set by nature. Nature has decided that male and female unions are how natural selection is passed down to the next generation.

Thank you for proving my point that atheists worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Nature created homosexuality and trans... as well. They are a standard of nature as well.

Dear Mudda

I would not call it a standard. The homosexual % of the population is at most 4% and the transgender
a fraction of that. Unless race or gender that is determined by genetics, orientation and identity
are spiritual and these can change by spiritual healing and process.

I agree if people have LBGT beliefs, that is their identity as any other faith-based creed culture or belief.
But I believe this is part of a spiritual process, and is not a fixed standard of nature.

Homosexuality is found throughout nature, making it a standard of nature.

You have absolutely no concept of what the word deviant means, do you.

deviant: departing from usual or accepted standards, especially in social or sexual behavior.

Homosexuality is an accepted standard by everyone except homophobes like you.

Proctophilia and Hysterophobia

Therefore, a "homophobe" can be termed a "heterophile," which is a natural and healthy condition. Heterophobia is an infantile, escapist, obsessive, and addictive wrong choice.