How do we stop "the poor" from being so problematic?

[danielpalos]

That's exactly correct. Nobody pays more than they have to for labor. Your company doesn't, I don't, you don't. Most of us don't.

And that has proven to keep too many Americans under the line of poverty.

No, the solution to going over the line of poverty is to gain better paying employment, or work enough hours to not be in poverty.

This is getting really repetitive. Education needs to be affordable, healthcare needs to be affordable, pay rates need to rise in proportion to living costs. These things will be better off for society as a whole. It will lower poverty rates and most importantly it will set people up who are born into poverty, to be able to climb out. The middle class will boom again and the wealth gap will gradually shrink.

Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is the problem. It is a natural rate of structural inefficiency in our economy. Even if everyone is required to obtain a doctorate before entering the work force, will not solve that structural problem, in the long run.

And, education is affordable. What can you not learn on YouTube?

its not what you cant learn, but what you can't earn- a degree. Youtube videos wont get poor kids jobs.

why not; a piece of paper is no guarantee of future success. You can learn just about anything on YouTube. Tutoring videos on most any subject are online.

 

[P@triot]

This is why nobody should take the right wing seriously about the law, or economics.

U.S. Constitution Online
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U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 8


Article 1 - The Legislative Branch
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
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The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

This is why nobody should take the left-wing seriously about the U.S. Constitution.

“Congress had not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but were restrained to those specifically enumerated; and that, as it was never meant they should provide for that welfare but by the exercise of the enumerated powers, so it could not have been meant they should raise money for purposes which the enumeration did not place under their action” - Thomas Jefferson (June 6, 1817)

“[We] disavow, and declare to be most false and unfounded, the doctrine that the [Constitution], in authorizing its federal branch to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States, has given them thereby a power to do whatever they may think, or pretend, would promote the general welfare–which construction would make that of itself a complete government, without limitation of powers.… The plain sense and obvious meaning were that they might levy the taxes necessary to provide for the general welfare by the various acts of power therein specified and delegated to them, and by no others. – Thomas Jefferson (December 24, 1825)

Don't get frustrated; get educated

 

[Billo_Really]

What can and or will be done about it politically?
In keeping with current board rhetoric let's not be scared to get real honest here.
Our poor are our worst parents...they create more of their same.
Our poor suck the most government tit.
Our poor commits the most crime.
Our poor does the most drugs.
Our poor drinks and smokes the most.
Our poor have the most children they can't afford.
Our poor litters and vandalizes the most.
Our poor drives uninsured.
Our poor commits the most animal cruelty.
I could go on and on...and no Libby's, let's not deflect and divert to Wall Street criminals, big corporations..blah, blah, blah...Let's get real, let's get serious about our taxpayer draining bottom feeders....Whatta ya say?

How can you get serious with our "...taxpayer draining bottom feeders...", without talking about our taxpayer draining top feeders on Wall Street?

 

[P@triot]

How can you get serious with our "...taxpayer draining bottom feeders...", without talking about our taxpayer draining top feeders on Wall Street?

The people on Wall Street are producers. They produce good and services. They produce wealth. They produce jobs.

That being said - you LWNJ's should stop providing them with corporate welfare.

 

[Billo_Really]

This is why nobody should take the left-wing seriously about the U.S. Constitution.

“Congress had not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but were restrained to those specifically enumerated; and that, as it was never meant they should provide for that welfare but by the exercise of the enumerated powers, so it could not have been meant they should raise money for purposes which the enumeration did not place under their action” - Thomas Jefferson (June 6, 1817)

“[We] disavow, and declare to be most false and unfounded, the doctrine that the [Constitution], in authorizing its federal branch to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States, has given them thereby a power to do whatever they may think, or pretend, would promote the general welfare–which construction would make that of itself a complete government, without limitation of powers.… The plain sense and obvious meaning were that they might levy the taxes necessary to provide for the general welfare by the various acts of power therein specified and delegated to them, and by no others. – Thomas Jefferson (December 24, 1825)

Don't get frustrated; get educated

Where's your link, cowboy?

 

[Billo_Really]

The people on Wall Street are producers. They produce good and services. They produce wealth. They produce jobs.

That being said - you LWNJ's should stop providing them with corporate welfare.

What do speculators produce (aside from wealth for themselves)?

 

[Aries]

its not what you cant learn, but what you can't earn- a degree. Youtube videos wont get poor kids jobs.

A degree isn't necessary - knowledge is. Bill Gates doesn't have a degree. Neither does Mark Zuckerberg. Neither does Michael Dell. Neither did Steve Jobs. The list goes on and on and on.

In todays job market- a degree is becoming more and more necessary. For one, the people you are naming aren't from the same generation- when they were young the job market didn't demand a degree. My grandfathers job market didn't require a degree- he went from high school, to the service, to the police department. Ended up in the FBI, with no degree. My fathers job market didn't require a degree.. My job market didn't even really require a degree. But as someone who is in charge of interviewing, hiring, and training.. I can tell you today's market demands a degree.
Sure, some people will get lucky and get rich off of specific talents or knowledge. But for the average american who was born into poverty or even middle class life- a degree is necessary for progression and job security. Education can not be a right of the wealthy, it has to be accessible to everyone. (for a successful society, that is)

 

[Aries]

And that has proven to keep too many Americans under the line of poverty.

No, the solution to going over the line of poverty is to gain better paying employment, or work enough hours to not be in poverty.

This is getting really repetitive. Education needs to be affordable, healthcare needs to be affordable, pay rates need to rise in proportion to living costs. These things will be better off for society as a whole. It will lower poverty rates and most importantly it will set people up who are born into poverty, to be able to climb out. The middle class will boom again and the wealth gap will gradually shrink.

Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is the problem. It is a natural rate of structural inefficiency in our economy. Even if everyone is required to obtain a doctorate before entering the work force, will not solve that structural problem, in the long run.

And, education is affordable. What can you not learn on YouTube?

its not what you cant learn, but what you can't earn- a degree. Youtube videos wont get poor kids jobs.

why not; a piece of paper is no guarantee of future success. You can learn just about anything on YouTube. Tutoring videos on most any subject are online.

because if you go into an interview and say "well I have watched a lot of youtube videos on the topic" you sound like a goof.
If you go into an interview and say "I have a degree in four year degree in this field" you're going to get the job.

 

[danielpalos]

This is why nobody should take the right wing seriously about the law, or economics.

U.S. Constitution Online
Quick Links: FAQ Topics Forums Documents Timeline Kids Vermont Constitution Map Citation USConstitution.net
U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 8


Article 1 - The Legislative Branch
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
<<Back | Table of Contents | Next>>

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

This is why nobody should take the left-wing seriously about the U.S. Constitution.

“Congress had not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but were restrained to those specifically enumerated; and that, as it was never meant they should provide for that welfare but by the exercise of the enumerated powers, so it could not have been meant they should raise money for purposes which the enumeration did not place under their action” - Thomas Jefferson (June 6, 1817)

“[We] disavow, and declare to be most false and unfounded, the doctrine that the [Constitution], in authorizing its federal branch to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States, has given them thereby a power to do whatever they may think, or pretend, would promote the general welfare–which construction would make that of itself a complete government, without limitation of powers.… The plain sense and obvious meaning were that they might levy the taxes necessary to provide for the general welfare by the various acts of power therein specified and delegated to them, and by no others. – Thomas Jefferson (December 24, 1825)

Don't get frustrated; get educated

dear, the general welfare is not the specific welfare; just like the common defense is not the common offense nor the general warfare.

Madison applies to your warfare-State economy. A welfare-State economy is specifically enumerated.

 

[danielpalos]

How can you get serious with our "...taxpayer draining bottom feeders...", without talking about our taxpayer draining top feeders on Wall Street?

The people on Wall Street are producers. They produce good and services. They produce wealth. They produce jobs.

That being said - you LWNJ's should stop providing them with corporate welfare.

Privateers also "produce wealth".

 

[danielpalos]

This is why nobody should take the left-wing seriously about the U.S. Constitution.

“Congress had not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but were restrained to those specifically enumerated; and that, as it was never meant they should provide for that welfare but by the exercise of the enumerated powers, so it could not have been meant they should raise money for purposes which the enumeration did not place under their action” - Thomas Jefferson (June 6, 1817)

“[We] disavow, and declare to be most false and unfounded, the doctrine that the [Constitution], in authorizing its federal branch to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States, has given them thereby a power to do whatever they may think, or pretend, would promote the general welfare–which construction would make that of itself a complete government, without limitation of powers.… The plain sense and obvious meaning were that they might levy the taxes necessary to provide for the general welfare by the various acts of power therein specified and delegated to them, and by no others. – Thomas Jefferson (December 24, 1825)

Don't get frustrated; get educated

Where's your link, cowboy?

right wing fantasy is all they really have.

 

[danielpalos]

No, the solution to going over the line of poverty is to gain better paying employment, or work enough hours to not be in poverty.

This is getting really repetitive. Education needs to be affordable, healthcare needs to be affordable, pay rates need to rise in proportion to living costs. These things will be better off for society as a whole. It will lower poverty rates and most importantly it will set people up who are born into poverty, to be able to climb out. The middle class will boom again and the wealth gap will gradually shrink.

Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is the problem. It is a natural rate of structural inefficiency in our economy. Even if everyone is required to obtain a doctorate before entering the work force, will not solve that structural problem, in the long run.

And, education is affordable. What can you not learn on YouTube?

its not what you cant learn, but what you can't earn- a degree. Youtube videos wont get poor kids jobs.

why not; a piece of paper is no guarantee of future success. You can learn just about anything on YouTube. Tutoring videos on most any subject are online.

because if you go into an interview and say "well I have watched a lot of youtube videos on the topic" you sound like a goof.
If you go into an interview and say "I have a degree in four year degree in this field" you're going to get the job.

depends on whether you just watched videos or learned the subject.

 

[BrokeLoser]

What can and or will be done about it politically?
In keeping with current board rhetoric let's not be scared to get real honest here.
Our poor are our worst parents...they create more of their same.
Our poor suck the most government tit.
Our poor commits the most crime.
Our poor does the most drugs.
Our poor drinks and smokes the most.
Our poor have the most children they can't afford.
Our poor litters and vandalizes the most.
Our poor drives uninsured.
Our poor commits the most animal cruelty.
I could go on and on...and no Libby's, let's not deflect and divert to Wall Street criminals, big corporations..blah, blah, blah...Let's get real, let's get serious about our taxpayer draining bottom feeders....Whatta ya say?

that's an imbecilic question.

the better question is how do we prevent the plutocracy that the orange sociopath is creating.

bitter broke loser. maybe you should get educated so YOU won't be so problematic.

Haha...another twisted and confused utopian fairy...why does the truth and facts hurt your feelings? it's always mind-blowing to watch you whackos self manipulate and shield yourselves from realities.

What can and or will be done about it politically?
In keeping with current board rhetoric let's not be scared to get real honest here.
Our poor are our worst parents...they create more of their same.
Our poor suck the most government tit.
Our poor commits the most crime.
Our poor does the most drugs.
Our poor drinks and smokes the most.
Our poor have the most children they can't afford.
Our poor litters and vandalizes the most.
Our poor drives uninsured.
Our poor commits the most animal cruelty.
I could go on and on...and no Libby's, let's not deflect and divert to Wall Street criminals, big corporations..blah, blah, blah...Let's get real, let's get serious about our taxpayer draining bottom feeders....Whatta ya say?

I don't believe poor people are worse than rich people.
Some of the most horrible crimes in history were committed by rich people.
Every person is different

NEGATIVE, you're reaching to divert and you're sadly mistaken. Nobody really cares about the 1% of anything. (the problematic wealthy)
Here are some facts to ponder. Let's bring more reality AND RACE into this to really twist up our resident loons.
Blacks and Hispanics....usually "poor" represent 60% of our nations incarcerated.
Blacks, usually poor...More than four in ten on welfare
Hispanics, usually poor, nearly four in ten on welfare
Hmmm, so what do these FACTS tell us?

 

[Aries]

No, the solution to going over the line of poverty is to gain better paying employment, or work enough hours to not be in poverty.

This is getting really repetitive. Education needs to be affordable, healthcare needs to be affordable, pay rates need to rise in proportion to living costs. These things will be better off for society as a whole. It will lower poverty rates and most importantly it will set people up who are born into poverty, to be able to climb out. The middle class will boom again and the wealth gap will gradually shrink.

Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is the problem. It is a natural rate of structural inefficiency in our economy. Even if everyone is required to obtain a doctorate before entering the work force, will not solve that structural problem, in the long run.

And, education is affordable. What can you not learn on YouTube?

its not what you cant learn, but what you can't earn- a degree. Youtube videos wont get poor kids jobs.

why not; a piece of paper is no guarantee of future success. You can learn just about anything on YouTube. Tutoring videos on most any subject are online.

because if you go into an interview and say "well I have watched a lot of youtube videos on the topic" you sound like a goof.
If you go into an interview and say "I have a degree in four year degree in this field" you're going to get the job.

Fast Facts

 

[Aries]

This is getting really repetitive. Education needs to be affordable, healthcare needs to be affordable, pay rates need to rise in proportion to living costs. These things will be better off for society as a whole. It will lower poverty rates and most importantly it will set people up who are born into poverty, to be able to climb out. The middle class will boom again and the wealth gap will gradually shrink.

Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is the problem. It is a natural rate of structural inefficiency in our economy. Even if everyone is required to obtain a doctorate before entering the work force, will not solve that structural problem, in the long run.

And, education is affordable. What can you not learn on YouTube?

its not what you cant learn, but what you can't earn- a degree. Youtube videos wont get poor kids jobs.

why not; a piece of paper is no guarantee of future success. You can learn just about anything on YouTube. Tutoring videos on most any subject are online.

because if you go into an interview and say "well I have watched a lot of youtube videos on the topic" you sound like a goof.
If you go into an interview and say "I have a degree in four year degree in this field" you're going to get the job.

depends on whether you just watched videos or learned the subject.

I guess if you get a chance to wow someone with your knowledge, if not they are going on your interview and resume. Without that degree your youtube edu holds no credit. Keeping education out of reach for poor is just another tactic to perpetuate generational poverty. (and the government dependants they hate so much)

 

[Aries]

What can and or will be done about it politically?
In keeping with current board rhetoric let's not be scared to get real honest here.
Our poor are our worst parents...they create more of their same.
Our poor suck the most government tit.
Our poor commits the most crime.
Our poor does the most drugs.
Our poor drinks and smokes the most.
Our poor have the most children they can't afford.
Our poor litters and vandalizes the most.
Our poor drives uninsured.
Our poor commits the most animal cruelty.
I could go on and on...and no Libby's, let's not deflect and divert to Wall Street criminals, big corporations..blah, blah, blah...Let's get real, let's get serious about our taxpayer draining bottom feeders....Whatta ya say?

that's an imbecilic question.

the better question is how do we prevent the plutocracy that the orange sociopath is creating.

bitter broke loser. maybe you should get educated so YOU won't be so problematic.

Haha...another twisted and confused utopian fairy...why does the truth and facts hurt your feelings? it's always mind-blowing to watch you whackos self manipulate and shield yourselves from realities.

What can and or will be done about it politically?
In keeping with current board rhetoric let's not be scared to get real honest here.
Our poor are our worst parents...they create more of their same.
Our poor suck the most government tit.
Our poor commits the most crime.
Our poor does the most drugs.
Our poor drinks and smokes the most.
Our poor have the most children they can't afford.
Our poor litters and vandalizes the most.
Our poor drives uninsured.
Our poor commits the most animal cruelty.
I could go on and on...and no Libby's, let's not deflect and divert to Wall Street criminals, big corporations..blah, blah, blah...Let's get real, let's get serious about our taxpayer draining bottom feeders....Whatta ya say?

I don't believe poor people are worse than rich people.
Some of the most horrible crimes in history were committed by rich people.
Every person is different

NEGATIVE, you're reaching to divert and you're sadly mistaken. Nobody really cares about the 1% of anything. (the problematic wealthy)
Here are some facts to ponder. Let's bring more reality AND RACE into this to really twist up our resident loons.
Blacks and Hispanics....usually "poor" represent 60% of our nations incarcerated.
Blacks, usually poor...More than four in ten on welfare
Hispanics, usually poor, nearly four in ten on welfare
Hmmm, so what do these FACTS tell us?

The facts tell us that our systematic oppression is biting us all in the ass.

 

[Aries]

What can and or will be done about it politically?
In keeping with current board rhetoric let's not be scared to get real honest here.
Our poor are our worst parents...they create more of their same.
Our poor suck the most government tit.
Our poor commits the most crime.
Our poor does the most drugs.
Our poor drinks and smokes the most.
Our poor have the most children they can't afford.
Our poor litters and vandalizes the most.
Our poor drives uninsured.
Our poor commits the most animal cruelty.
I could go on and on...and no Libby's, let's not deflect and divert to Wall Street criminals, big corporations..blah, blah, blah...Let's get real, let's get serious about our taxpayer draining bottom feeders....Whatta ya say?

that's an imbecilic question.

the better question is how do we prevent the plutocracy that the orange sociopath is creating.

bitter broke loser. maybe you should get educated so YOU won't be so problematic.

Haha...another twisted and confused utopian fairy...why does the truth and facts hurt your feelings? it's always mind-blowing to watch you whackos self manipulate and shield yourselves from realities.

What can and or will be done about it politically?
In keeping with current board rhetoric let's not be scared to get real honest here.
Our poor are our worst parents...they create more of their same.
Our poor suck the most government tit.
Our poor commits the most crime.
Our poor does the most drugs.
Our poor drinks and smokes the most.
Our poor have the most children they can't afford.
Our poor litters and vandalizes the most.
Our poor drives uninsured.
Our poor commits the most animal cruelty.
I could go on and on...and no Libby's, let's not deflect and divert to Wall Street criminals, big corporations..blah, blah, blah...Let's get real, let's get serious about our taxpayer draining bottom feeders....Whatta ya say?

I don't believe poor people are worse than rich people.
Some of the most horrible crimes in history were committed by rich people.
Every person is different

NEGATIVE, you're reaching to divert and you're sadly mistaken. Nobody really cares about the 1% of anything. (the problematic wealthy)
Here are some facts to ponder. Let's bring more reality AND RACE into this to really twist up our resident loons.
Blacks and Hispanics....usually "poor" represent 60% of our nations incarcerated.
Blacks, usually poor...More than four in ten on welfare
Hispanics, usually poor, nearly four in ten on welfare
Hmmm, so what do these FACTS tell us?

NAACP | Criminal Justice Fact Sheet

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Education can not be a right of the wealthy, it has to be accessible to everyone. (for a successful society, that is)

Should nice automobiles not be restricted to the wealthy? What about nice homes? What about indoor swimming pools? How about a vacation house in Florida?

Rich people can buy more things than poor people, that's just a fact of life. Another fact of life in America is you don't have to be rich to go to college. Most people that do go to college do so using loans that they have to repay later in life.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The people on Wall Street are producers. They produce good and services. They produce wealth. They produce jobs.

That being said - you LWNJ's should stop providing them with corporate welfare.

What do speculators produce (aside from wealth for themselves)?

They produce stabilization in the market. The produce wealth which (if you have an IRA in the market) benefit you when you retire.

 

[Aries]

Education can not be a right of the wealthy, it has to be accessible to everyone. (for a successful society, that is)

Should nice automobiles not be restricted to the wealthy? What about nice homes? What about indoor swimming pools? How about a vacation house in Florida?

Rich people can buy more things than poor people, that's just a fact of life. Another fact of life in America is you don't have to be rich to go to college. Most people that do go to college do so using loans that they have to repay later in life.

education is not a luxury- but a necessity. You guys want to know how to make the poor so "problematic".. Stop keeping them poor.