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Have you ever seen the witch hunts that can go on in any working environment.
I think not, or you choose to ignore all elements of the situation.
Agreed, if you cannot do your job then you need to be taken out of it. But it is the administrations job to be on top of who is doing a good job and document all things seen and talked about. It is the Unions job to protect and defend their rank and file. If there is enough evidence to fire the individual, as in a court of law, they will be fired. But not on a whim.
What good are CEO's to the public they serve if they have a commodity that is to be used by the public?
We can talk about what ifs!!!! All day!
Teachers will always be protected against firings on a whim or incompetence within the firing itself. The law still protects them against that through fair adjudication.
Have you ever seen the witch hunts that can go on in any working environment.
I think not, or you choose to ignore all elements of the situation.
Agreed, if you cannot do your job then you need to be taken out of it. But it is the administrations job to be on top of who is doing a good job and document all things seen and talked about. It is the Unions job to protect and defend their rank and file. If there is enough evidence to fire the individual, as in a court of law, they will be fired. But not on a whim.
What good are CEO's to the public they serve if they have a commodity that is to be used by the public?
We can talk about what ifs!!!! All day!
Teachers will always be protected against firings on a whim or incompetence within the firing itself. The law still protects them against that through fair adjudication.
There are no guarantees in life from every eventuality, but we should do everything we can to give children a guarantee of the best education possible.
Tenure was created to overcome sweeping firing and replacement of teachers when local politics shifted gears. When there were no other legal protections against that shit it was a GOOD thing.
Was.
So fire someone that is competent because someone that has the power to fire them wants them fired?
Do I get that straight.
Have you ever seen the witch hunts that can go on in any working environment.
I think not, or you choose to ignore all elements of the situation.
Agreed, if you cannot do your job then you need to be taken out of it. But it is the administrations job to be on top of who is doing a good job and document all things seen and talked about. It is the Unions job to protect and defend their rank and file. If there is enough evidence to fire the individual, as in a court of law, they will be fired. But not on a whim.
What good are CEO's to the public they serve if they have a commodity that is to be used by the public?
We can talk about what ifs!!!! All day!
Teachers will always be protected against firings on a whim or incompetence within the firing itself. The law still protects them against that through fair adjudication.
There are no guarantees in life from every eventuality, but we should do everything we can to give children a guarantee of the best education possible.
It's pretty simple. It's experience. Teaching is not a McDonalds job or even an assembly line job. Kids are not cheeseburgers.
I'm far more interested in quality and accountability.
And much of their "experience" is a result of being protected by tenure.
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A California court struck down teacher tenure and seniority provisions. The unions, as expected, are protesting.
Teachers unions are fighting back against a California ruling that gutted two things they hold sacred: tenure laws and seniority provisions. But they face an uphill battle to reshape their image as opponents—and even some allies—say they are standing in the way of needed improvements in education. ...
Teachers union critics say the tenure and seniority laws that were hobbled by the June ruling protect longtime educators who are ineffective while more proficient ones with less experience face layoffs first. ...
The developments have left the nation's two largest teachers unions in a quandary: how to alter the perception that they are obstacles to change while holding on to principles such as tenure that their members demand.
The unions used their recent national conventions to respond and have notched up the rhetoric. The National Education Association, the largest teachers union at about three million members, elected a new president who called certain teacher-performance metrics such as test scores "the mark of the devil."
The American Federation of Teachers, the second-biggest union at about 1.6 million members, backs a new group, Democrats for Public Education, which advocates for the union's causes. "Sadly, what has changed is that rather than helping teachers help kids, some…are suing to take away the voices of teachers," said AFT President Randi Weingarten. ...
In the California case, a state judge in June struck down certain protections for teachers, including tenure after about two years on the job and seniority protections in layoffs. He found in the case, Vergara v. California, that the measures can entrench unqualified teachers, preventing minority and low-income students from receiving the equitable public education required by the state's constitution.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/teachers-unions-under-fire-1409874404?mod=WSJ_hp_RightTopStories
I certainly appreciate the work teachers do, and I have no problems with giving teachers protections against rash terminations, but I'm not sure how teacher tenure and seniority rules help kids.
I'm not sure it helps them either. Unions have one job, to protect their members. Everything else is secondary.
Unions are interested in themselves and have been for so long. People wanted to believe they were for the worker, but they are socialist/Marxist communities. Longtime president of the American Federation of Teachers union Al Shanker once said, “When schoolchildren start paying union dues, that’s when I’ll start representing the interests of schoolchildren.”
Politicians are paid to represent the interests of the United States, but they are paid by special interest groups, so those special interest groups get represented more than the voters who elect them.
The very same mechanics are at work with any union. If management paid more money into the union, the union certainly would begin to overlook the interests of the workers.
Children don't have a union.
Meanwhile, the left wing morons vote for the politicians that get paid off by these commies in the unions. You think this commie in chief president, "bailed out" the auto industry, or were the UAV union heads paid off?
A California court struck down teacher tenure and seniority provisions. The unions, as expected, are protesting.
Teachers unions are fighting back against a California ruling that gutted two things they hold sacred: tenure laws and seniority provisions. But they face an uphill battle to reshape their image as opponents—and even some allies—say they are standing in the way of needed improvements in education. ...
Teachers union critics say the tenure and seniority laws that were hobbled by the June ruling protect longtime educators who are ineffective while more proficient ones with less experience face layoffs first. ...
The developments have left the nation's two largest teachers unions in a quandary: how to alter the perception that they are obstacles to change while holding on to principles such as tenure that their members demand.
The unions used their recent national conventions to respond and have notched up the rhetoric. The National Education Association, the largest teachers union at about three million members, elected a new president who called certain teacher-performance metrics such as test scores "the mark of the devil."
The American Federation of Teachers, the second-biggest union at about 1.6 million members, backs a new group, Democrats for Public Education, which advocates for the union's causes. "Sadly, what has changed is that rather than helping teachers help kids, some…are suing to take away the voices of teachers," said AFT President Randi Weingarten. ...
In the California case, a state judge in June struck down certain protections for teachers, including tenure after about two years on the job and seniority protections in layoffs. He found in the case, Vergara v. California, that the measures can entrench unqualified teachers, preventing minority and low-income students from receiving the equitable public education required by the state's constitution.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/teachers-unions-under-fire-1409874404?mod=WSJ_hp_RightTopStories
I certainly appreciate the work teachers do, and I have no problems with giving teachers protections against rash terminations, but I'm not sure how teacher tenure and seniority rules help kids.
I believe the idea is to retain the best and most experienced teachers, but it obviously doesn't always work out that way.
That was the theory, but I think it did the opposite. It allows bad teacher (as well as good ones) job security. It provides no incentive for teachers to better themselves via education, training, certifications etc. They can remain stagnate, get the same raises and get the same protections. Furthermore it allows teachers the freedom of pushing their own ideological beliefs on their students, taking retaliatory measures against students they don't like without fear of losing their job!
In summary it lowers the quality of our educators.
I certainly appreciate the work teachers do, and I have no problems with giving teachers protections against rash terminations, but I'm not sure how teacher tenure and seniority rules help kids.
They don't help the kids; they help the teachers' unions.
It's not a coincidence that as the unions have gained power and money, that the quality of education has declined.
I certainly appreciate the work teachers do, and I have no problems with giving teachers protections against rash terminations, but I'm not sure how teacher tenure and seniority rules help kids.
They don't help the kids; they help the teachers' unions.
It's not a coincidence that as the unions have gained power and money, that the quality of education has declined.
No, the quality of teaching has not declined.
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"Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, teach gym."
Woody Allen
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I certainly appreciate the work teachers do, and I have no problems with giving teachers protections against rash terminations, but I'm not sure how teacher tenure and seniority rules help kids.
They don't help the kids; they help the teachers' unions.
It's not a coincidence that as the unions have gained power and money, that the quality of education has declined.
No, the quality of teaching has not declined.
I certainly appreciate the work teachers do, and I have no problems with giving teachers protections against rash terminations, but I'm not sure how teacher tenure and seniority rules help kids.
They don't help the kids; they help the teachers' unions.
It's not a coincidence that as the unions have gained power and money, that the quality of education has declined.
No, the quality of teaching has not declined.
You are delusional.
I certainly appreciate the work teachers do, and I have no problems with giving teachers protections against rash terminations, but I'm not sure how teacher tenure and seniority rules help kids.
They don't help the kids; they help the teachers' unions.
It's not a coincidence that as the unions have gained power and money, that the quality of education has declined.
No, the quality of teaching has not declined.
The quality of parenting may have in many places.
You want great teachers you have to treat them like great teachers.
I certainly appreciate the work teachers do, and I have no problems with giving teachers protections against rash terminations, but I'm not sure how teacher tenure and seniority rules help kids.
They don't help the kids; they help the teachers' unions.
It's not a coincidence that as the unions have gained power and money, that the quality of education has declined.
No, the quality of teaching has not declined.
You are delusional.
You have evidence? You have stats? Or are you just opining?
I certainly appreciate the work teachers do, and I have no problems with giving teachers protections against rash terminations, but I'm not sure how teacher tenure and seniority rules help kids.
They don't help the kids; they help the teachers' unions.
It's not a coincidence that as the unions have gained power and money, that the quality of education has declined.
No, the quality of teaching has not declined.
You are delusional.
You have evidence? You have stats? Or are you just opining?
From the US Department of Education: 19% of High School Graduates Can't Read. That is an appalling statistic - and evidence of the warehousing of students without regard for their learning experience.
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