How Far Will the SCOTUS Go On Behalf of Muslims ?

[RandomVariable]

Islam is not a religion, and the hijab is not part of Islam (the Koran)

Yup, it is, and the hijab is accepted as appropriate religious expression by devout Muslim women.

What does that mean, "religious expression"? How is the covering of ones hair, if one is a female, an expression of devotion? Why did the being that authored the koran put that in there? Well, let me explain how it works.

A young females goes from being a child into womanhood, early teens. She is full of confusion about so many things. Now her family says her religion states that she must cover her hair in public. Why? From Islams Women - The Virtues of Hijab

The Virtues of Hijab

1. An act of obedience.

The hijab is an act of obedience to Allah and to his prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), Allah says in the Quran:

"It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His messenger have decreed a matter that they should have an option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him), has indeed strayed in a plain error." [Noble Quran 33:36]

Allah also said:

"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things) and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc) and not to show off their adornment except what must (ordinarily) appear thereof, that they should draw their veils over their Juyubihinnah." [Noble Quran 24:31]

Juyubihinnah: The respected scholars from As-Salaf As-Saleh (righteous predecessors) differed whether the veil cover of the body must include the hands and face or not. Today, respected scholars say that the hands and face must be covered. Other respected scholars say it is preferable for women to cover their whole bodies.

[there are seven more reasons after this if one would like to visit the page]
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So this young woman, still a girl really, feels ashamed and when she goes out in public in a western society she is ashamed and of course feels ridiculed. So she goes home and wonders why her family would do this to her, why would her god do this to her. Not wanting to hate her parents or her god she turns to the koran. Its dark tentacles wrap around her mind and around her soul. She see that the lowest of muslims is higher than the most righteous of non-muslim. She sees that it is the infidels to blame for how she feels. She reads that she should suggest and even encourage her brother to kill infidels. (This is not hyperbole. The koran literally says kill infidels, everywhere, all the time, and no reason is needed other than the fact that they are non-believers.). She talks to her brother whom she loves very much, as he does her, they grew up together. He understands that she is now separated from him by this god's commandment. Her brother, not wanting to question his parents and strictly forbidden to question god seeks meaning from the koran. Its dark tentacles wrap around his mind and his soul. He sees that the problem is the infidels he must kill the infidels from off the earth. So, with the help of the deity of islam, he starts his planning and waiting for his opportunity to avenge his sister.

And just maybe A & F does not want to support the abuse of females. Maybe they believe it is wrong to shame females into believing they are a lesser gender. But the supreme court feels otherwise, that it is not the decision of A & F to decide who can and can not be abused. SCOTUS believes religion is above moral dignity. Well, the SCOTUS is wrong, and so is islam.

A&F didn't argue what you speculate they "maybe" think.

What is your opinion of females being made to wear the hijab in America?

Was Elauf made to wear it?

I was asking about females in general.

 

[RandomVariable]

True, but the law doesn't say that employers must accomodate a cowboy hat, or a red non-religious hat or a white non-religious hat. The law treats religious accessories with preference.

Islam is not a religion, and the hijab is not part of Islam (the Koran)

Yup, it is, and the hijab is accepted as appropriate religious expression by devout Muslim women.

What does that mean, "religious expression"? How is the covering of ones hair, if one is a female, an expression of devotion? Why did the being that authored the koran put that in there? Well, let me explain how it works.

A young females goes from being a child into womanhood, early teens. She is full of confusion about so many things. Now her family says her religion states that she must cover her hair in public. Why? From Islams Women - The Virtues of Hijab

The Virtues of Hijab

1. An act of obedience.

The hijab is an act of obedience to Allah and to his prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), Allah says in the Quran:

"It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His messenger have decreed a matter that they should have an option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him), has indeed strayed in a plain error." [Noble Quran 33:36]

Allah also said:

"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things) and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc) and not to show off their adornment except what must (ordinarily) appear thereof, that they should draw their veils over their Juyubihinnah." [Noble Quran 24:31]

Juyubihinnah: The respected scholars from As-Salaf As-Saleh (righteous predecessors) differed whether the veil cover of the body must include the hands and face or not. Today, respected scholars say that the hands and face must be covered. Other respected scholars say it is preferable for women to cover their whole bodies.

[there are seven more reasons after this if one would like to visit the page]
​

So this young woman, still a girl really, feels ashamed and when she goes out in public in a western society she is ashamed and of course feels ridiculed. So she goes home and wonders why her family would do this to her, why would her god do this to her. Not wanting to hate her parents or her god she turns to the koran. Its dark tentacles wrap around her mind and around her soul. She see that the lowest of muslims is higher than the most righteous of non-muslim. She sees that it is the infidels to blame for how she feels. She reads that she should suggest and even encourage her brother to kill infidels. (This is not hyperbole. The koran literally says kill infidels, everywhere, all the time, and no reason is needed other than the fact that they are non-believers.). She talks to her brother whom she loves very much, as he does her, they grew up together. He understands that she is now separated from him by this god's commandment. Her brother, not wanting to question his parents and strictly forbidden to question god seeks meaning from the koran. Its dark tentacles wrap around his mind and his soul. He sees that the problem is the infidels he must kill the infidels from off the earth. So, with the help of the deity of islam, he starts his planning and waiting for his opportunity to avenge his sister.

And just maybe A & F does not want to support the abuse of females. Maybe they believe it is wrong to shame females into believing they are a lesser gender. But the supreme court feels otherwise, that it is not the decision of A & F to decide who can and can not be abused. SCOTUS believes religion is above moral dignity. Well, the SCOTUS is wrong, and so is islam.

And your explanation for those Christians who obey dress codes? Including head coverings or no pants allowed?

Please be more specific as head coverings and no pants are not part of the Christian doctrine.

 

[RandomVariable]

What is your opinion of females being made to wear the hijab in America?

The question is immaterial to this OP, RV. Your types of comment demonstrate how little you understand about religion and our Constitution.

I do not have you on ignore but I am ignoring you. Is there some reason in particular you feel the need to troll this thread?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Please be more specific as head coverings and no pants are not part of the Christian doctrine.

RV, you are confused on this? Go read SCOTUS's opinion. And, for your info, I will never let you troll a thread without jumping in with jack boots.

 

[pinqy]

True, but the law doesn't say that employers must accomodate a cowboy hat, or a red non-religious hat or a white non-religious hat. The law treats religious accessories with preference.

Islam is not a religion, and the hijab is not part of Islam (the Koran)

Yup, it is, and the hijab is accepted as appropriate religious expression by devout Muslim women.

What does that mean, "religious expression"? How is the covering of ones hair, if one is a female, an expression of devotion? Why did the being that authored the koran put that in there? Well, let me explain how it works.

A young females goes from being a child into womanhood, early teens. She is full of confusion about so many things. Now her family says her religion states that she must cover her hair in public. Why? From Islams Women - The Virtues of Hijab

The Virtues of Hijab

1. An act of obedience.

The hijab is an act of obedience to Allah and to his prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), Allah says in the Quran:

"It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His messenger have decreed a matter that they should have an option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him), has indeed strayed in a plain error." [Noble Quran 33:36]

Allah also said:

"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things) and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc) and not to show off their adornment except what must (ordinarily) appear thereof, that they should draw their veils over their Juyubihinnah." [Noble Quran 24:31]

Juyubihinnah: The respected scholars from As-Salaf As-Saleh (righteous predecessors) differed whether the veil cover of the body must include the hands and face or not. Today, respected scholars say that the hands and face must be covered. Other respected scholars say it is preferable for women to cover their whole bodies.

[there are seven more reasons after this if one would like to visit the page]
​

So this young woman, still a girl really, feels ashamed and when she goes out in public in a western society she is ashamed and of course feels ridiculed. So she goes home and wonders why her family would do this to her, why would her god do this to her. Not wanting to hate her parents or her god she turns to the koran. Its dark tentacles wrap around her mind and around her soul. She see that the lowest of muslims is higher than the most righteous of non-muslim. She sees that it is the infidels to blame for how she feels. She reads that she should suggest and even encourage her brother to kill infidels. (This is not hyperbole. The koran literally says kill infidels, everywhere, all the time, and no reason is needed other than the fact that they are non-believers.). She talks to her brother whom she loves very much, as he does her, they grew up together. He understands that she is now separated from him by this god's commandment. Her brother, not wanting to question his parents and strictly forbidden to question god seeks meaning from the koran. Its dark tentacles wrap around his mind and his soul. He sees that the problem is the infidels he must kill the infidels from off the earth. So, with the help of the deity of islam, he starts his planning and waiting for his opportunity to avenge his sister.

And just maybe A & F does not want to support the abuse of females. Maybe they believe it is wrong to shame females into believing they are a lesser gender. But the supreme court feels otherwise, that it is not the decision of A & F to decide who can and can not be abused. SCOTUS believes religion is above moral dignity. Well, the SCOTUS is wrong, and so is islam.

And your explanation for those Christians who obey dress codes? Including head coverings or no pants allowed?

Please be more specific as head coverings and no pants are not part of the Christian doctrine.

Amish, and Mennonites are not Christian? Headcoverings used to be the norm among Christian women, and some still require it in Church (particularly Orthodox), though most don't except for the Amish and some orders of Mennonites.
More Christians, infamously now the Duggar family and their co-religionists, believe in modest dress for women and do not allow them to wear pants....only dresses or skirts.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Most fundamentalist sects either require or strongly encourage dresses or skirts. Long dresses or skirts.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We have some simples like P and RV trying to explain Islamic and Christian religious symbolism and culture. Reason stares!

 

[pwjohn]

To be honest I don't care much more for third world Arab Muslim shit hole people than you do but if the company allows others to wear religious garb than I suspect the court is gonna rule in favor of still others wearing their religious garb.

But the company does not allow others to wear religious garb, if it violates their look policy (for sales clerks in contact with the public)

That will now change.

Change into what ?

 

[JakeStarkey]

To be honest I don't care much more for third world Arab Muslim shit hole people than you do but if the company allows others to wear religious garb than I suspect the court is gonna rule in favor of still others wearing their religious garb.

But the company does not allow others to wear religious garb, if it violates their look policy (for sales clerks in contact with the public)

That will now change.

Change into what ?

Reconsider the use of your verb.

 

[danielpalos]

Yup, it is, and the hijab is accepted as appropriate religious expression by devout Muslim women.

What does that mean, "religious expression"? How is the covering of ones hair, if one is a female, an expression of devotion? Why did the being that authored the koran put that in there? Well, let me explain how it works.

A young females goes from being a child into womanhood, early teens. She is full of confusion about so many things. Now her family says her religion states that she must cover her hair in public. Why? From Islams Women - The Virtues of Hijab

The Virtues of Hijab

1. An act of obedience.

The hijab is an act of obedience to Allah and to his prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), Allah says in the Quran:

"It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His messenger have decreed a matter that they should have an option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him), has indeed strayed in a plain error." [Noble Quran 33:36]

Allah also said:

"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things) and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc) and not to show off their adornment except what must (ordinarily) appear thereof, that they should draw their veils over their Juyubihinnah." [Noble Quran 24:31]

Juyubihinnah: The respected scholars from As-Salaf As-Saleh (righteous predecessors) differed whether the veil cover of the body must include the hands and face or not. Today, respected scholars say that the hands and face must be covered. Other respected scholars say it is preferable for women to cover their whole bodies.

[there are seven more reasons after this if one would like to visit the page]
​

So this young woman, still a girl really, feels ashamed and when she goes out in public in a western society she is ashamed and of course feels ridiculed. So she goes home and wonders why her family would do this to her, why would her god do this to her. Not wanting to hate her parents or her god she turns to the koran. Its dark tentacles wrap around her mind and around her soul. She see that the lowest of muslims is higher than the most righteous of non-muslim. She sees that it is the infidels to blame for how she feels. She reads that she should suggest and even encourage her brother to kill infidels. (This is not hyperbole. The koran literally says kill infidels, everywhere, all the time, and no reason is needed other than the fact that they are non-believers.). She talks to her brother whom she loves very much, as he does her, they grew up together. He understands that she is now separated from him by this god's commandment. Her brother, not wanting to question his parents and strictly forbidden to question god seeks meaning from the koran. Its dark tentacles wrap around his mind and his soul. He sees that the problem is the infidels he must kill the infidels from off the earth. So, with the help of the deity of islam, he starts his planning and waiting for his opportunity to avenge his sister.

And just maybe A & F does not want to support the abuse of females. Maybe they believe it is wrong to shame females into believing they are a lesser gender. But the supreme court feels otherwise, that it is not the decision of A & F to decide who can and can not be abused. SCOTUS believes religion is above moral dignity. Well, the SCOTUS is wrong, and so is islam.

A&F didn't argue what you speculate they "maybe" think.

What is your opinion of females being made to wear the hijab in America?

An Infringement to their secular and temporal, Individual Liberty; even women have recourse to our Ninth Amendment.

Why do you believe i practice not judging women by the clothes they don't wear on the Internet, and try to port it to real life whenever I have the presence of mind to do so as a secular and temporal moral for modern times?

But to what age does the Ninth Amendment extend? Can a sixteen year old get a court order which states her parents, and religion, can not shame her in public, a form of abuse.

(I will admit I had to look the Ninth Amendment.)

Emancipation is always an option; and minors are typically considered incompetent in legal venues.

 

[RandomVariable]

Most fundamentalist sects either require or strongly encourage dresses or skirts. Long dresses or skirts.

Thank you for bring up this excellent point, Jakey. One will notice that all the males are dressed in a white shirt buttoned completely, all wearing black pants from what I can see. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. That is not so in islam.

 

[Coyote]

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Most fundamentalist sects either require or strongly encourage dresses or skirts. Long dresses or skirts.

Thank you for bring up this excellent point, Jakey. One will notice that all the males are dressed in a white shirt buttoned completely, all wearing black pants from what I can see. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. That is not so in islam.

Muslim men are also required to dress modestly.

 

[RandomVariable]

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Most fundamentalist sects either require or strongly encourage dresses or skirts. Long dresses or skirts.

Thank you for bring up this excellent point, Jakey. One will notice that all the males are dressed in a white shirt buttoned completely, all wearing black pants from what I can see. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. That is not so in islam.

Muslim men are also required to dress modestly.

Yes, it is all equal, everyone is treated fairly, nothing to see here. This is getting ridiculous.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Most fundamentalist sects either require or strongly encourage dresses or skirts. Long dresses or skirts.

Thank you for bring up this excellent point, Jakey. One will notice that all the males are dressed in a white shirt buttoned completely, all wearing black pants from what I can see. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. That is not so in islam.

Christianity has historically subordinated the female to the male. That is why Marriage Equality so threatens the far right Christians (or Muslims for that matter): it is the demise of the male as traditional Head and Master of the wife. RV, you are blabbering. Step up.

 

[JakeStarkey]

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Most fundamentalist sects either require or strongly encourage dresses or skirts. Long dresses or skirts.

Thank you for bring up this excellent point, Jakey. One will notice that all the males are dressed in a white shirt buttoned completely, all wearing black pants from what I can see. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. That is not so in islam.

Muslim men are also required to dress modestly.

Yes, it is all equal, everyone is treated fairly, nothing to see here. This is getting ridiculous.

Yes, you are. There is no SCOTUS getting all squishy over Islam. Anyone who thinks so is simply lame brained.

 

[pwjohn]

To be honest I don't care much more for third world Arab Muslim shit hole people than you do but if the company allows others to wear religious garb than I suspect the court is gonna rule in favor of still others wearing their religious garb.

But the company does not allow others to wear religious garb, if it violates their look policy (for sales clerks in contact with the public)

That will now change.

Change into what ?

Reconsider the use of your verb.

What are you trying to say ?

 

[rcfieldz]

This means any person wearing anything can sue the employer of their choice for wearing whatever they want even if it is not conforming to that employers rules. Sorry that's not gonna fly. People get sent home from school and asked to turn their shirts inside out at schools and other events. So why can this woman wear her headdress or other? So will A&F hire nuns next. I think not... just wait for the business to go under when that store is not having the foot traffic it once had. Where is this store Dubai?

 

[A Perez]

This means any person wearing anything can sue the employer of their choice for wearing whatever they want even if it is not conforming to that employers rules. Sorry that's not gonna fly. People get sent home from school and asked to turn their shirts inside out at schools and other events. So why can this woman wear her headdress or other? So will A&F hire nuns next. I think not... just wait for the business to go under when that store is not having the foot traffic it once had. Where is this store Dubai?

Title 7 doesn't protect non-religious t-shirts. It protects hijabs.
You exaggerate when you say "any person wearing anything" can sue the employer. This is about accommodating religious people, not "any person".If you think Title 7 sucks then that should be your argument.

 

[protectionist]

Title 7 doesn't protect non-religious t-shirts. It protects hijabs.
You exaggerate when you say "any person wearing anything" can sue the employer. This is about accommodating religious people, not "any person".If you think Title 7 sucks then that should be your argument.

It's NOT about accomodating religious people. the so-called "religous" people in question are Muslims. Islam is NOT a religion.The system is gone haywire.

What is noted is FOR WHOM the system is working. Right now, it is working for the enemies of America. The international jihad. And the Constitution doesn't need to be changed. What needs to be changed are the SCOTUS members dum dums who don't realize 1) Islam is not a religion and 2) it is banned by the Constitution due to its supremacism.

This case has proven one thing. That even Supreme Court justices can be scammed.

 

[protectionist]

]Nope, only by the grace of the board mods. Now what did SCOTUS say about it.

You were asked first. Your time to answer.