How Far Will the SCOTUS Go On Behalf of Muslims ?

[dblack]

Gee, look at the throngs of conservative religious rights types on USMB flocking to praise this court ruling in favor of religion.

Islam is not a religion.

Post # 56.

Of course it is. This stupidity is an inevitable result of the folly of treating the first amendment like a special privilege rather than a universal right.

 

[protectionist]

There is just a bit of a difference (sp edit) in what one wants the government to enforce and wanting to change the government. Every single person who has sworn allegiance to islam has sworn an allegiance to work to overthrow this government.

That is true. Islam is the Koran, and the Koran is sedition from cover to cover. A total violation of US Code 2384 (Seditious Conspiracy) just as Islam is illegal by violation of the Constitution (Article 6, Section 2 the Supremacy Clause, and US Code 2385 (Overthrow of Government). If a republican gets elected President in 2016, I think we'll see a major shake up of the US Supreme court, and of the power of the judicial branch entirely, which has gotten out of hand, and is clearly the Muslim Brotherhood's top weapon to destroy America, as they have so clearly stated >>

“The process of settlement is a ‘Civilization-Jihadist Process’ with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers…”

(Mohamed Akram, "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America"May 22, 1991, Government Exhibit 003-0085, United States vs. Holy Land Foundation, et al. 7 (21).)

 

[protectionist]

Of course it is. This stupidity is an inevitable result of the folly of treating the first amendment like a special privilege rather than a universal right.

Nonsense. A religion is a system of belief, worship, with a code of ethics. (Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th ed.) Only a complete fool would call Islam a religion with a code of ethics. Islam is a political ideology that has always used religion as a shield from criticism, and you fall for it. Islam is a system of UNethics of the worst kind, and we see it with ISIS every day, who follows Islam (the Koran) to the letter.

See Post # 56 for links

 

[JakeStarkey]

Gee, look at the throngs of conservative religious rights types on USMB flocking to praise this court ruling in favor of religion.

Islam is not a religion.

Post # 56.

Of course it is. This post.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Of course it is. This stupidity is an inevitable result of the folly of treating the first amendment like a special privilege rather than a universal right.

Nonsense. A religion is a system of belief, worship, with a code of ethics. (Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th ed.) Only a complete fool would call Islam a religion with a code of ethics. Islam is a political ideology that has always used religion as a shield from criticism, and you fall for it. Islam is a system of UNethics of the worst kind, and we see it with ISIS every day, who follows Islam (the Koran) to the letter.

See Post # 56 for links

Link anything you want. Islam is a religion, and you are the board fool to insist otherwise.

 

[protectionist]

What part of

Its illegal to discriminate on the basis of religion

Do you not understand?

A&F has a consistent dress code, applicable to all. The SCOTUS ruling creates a discriminatory workplace in that is applies work place rules differently depending on the religion of the employee.

This is a VERY bad ruling.

This SCOTUS ruling didn't "create" anything. The law has been clear since the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

The 1964 law has nothing to do with this. You are OFF TOPIC, as are most of the posters in this thread.

So just to bring us all back tot the TOPIC (the OP), what do you think the SCOTUS will have to say about THIS ? >>

 

[protectionist]

Link anything you want. Islam is a religion, and you are the board fool to insist otherwise.

YOU are the one of a number of board fools to insist that it is a religion. Nothing could be dumber than to call a vile abomination like Islam, a "religion". This is mass insanity.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You, Protectionist, are off topic. SCOTUS will rule when such a case is place before it. So these are your next victims. Yes, you are vile.

 

[protectionist]

Actually, Abercrombie didn't argue that they shouldn't accept any religious item. What they argue is that the hijab is sometimes associated with non-religious people; that is, not always associated with religion. The OP goes even farther than Abercrombie.

A & F simply argued that the hijab didn't fit in with their "look policy". That has nothing to do with Islam. If Samantha Elauf had committed to wear one of these all the time, she could have been rejected quite the same >>

 

[protectionist]

You, Protectionist, are off topic. SCOTUS will rule when such a case is place before it. So these are your next victims. Yes, you are vile.

You are OFF TOPIC, you bad boy. And SCOTUS is out of order. Now what do you think the SCOTUS will have to say about THIS ? >>

 

[JakeStarkey]

I am on topic. The question is not hats, it is religious wear. SCOTUS will rule at the appropriate time. Here is your next target.

 

[Coyote]

Your ignorance is exceeded only by your stupidity.

Saul, you are a coward and lack the reasoning ability to debate law, or any subject. You flame and then run - which you will do again.

The case had nothing to do with 'freedom of religion,' making 'special provisions' for anyone, or the constitutionality of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, where Title VII of the Act addresses discrimination in hiring practices concerning – among other criteria – religion:

I realize that your lack of understanding of American law leaves you little choice but to employ a "baffle em with bullshit" ploy, but you are employing a straw man. No one has said anything of these.

'The case grew out of a policy that Abercrombie & Fitch enforces in its clothing stores, which cater to a “preppy” or “casual” look. Part of that rule is a ban on wearing a cap of any kind for those who work as sales clerks. When seventeen-year-old Samantha Elauf applied for a sales job at a company outlet in Tulsa in 2008, she was wearing a head scarf as part of her Muslim practice.

Although there is a dispute about what the management knew about the applicant’s faith, the Court found on Monday that it had at least a suspicion that she needed a religious accommodation, and yet refused to hire her. That was enough, the Scalia opinion said, to potentially make the company liable for refusing an accommodation.'

Opinion analysis New shield against religious bias SCOTUSblog

The company was liable because it failed to follow the law, in no way passing judgment on the merits of the Act and the Act's requirement that employers make religious accommodations to applicants and employees.

Unlike you Saul, everyone here already knew the particulars of the case. Does the religious preference of an applicant supersede the right of an employer to enforce a policy of appropriate workplace attire? A&F have a particular brand presence, to deny them the right to enforce a certain level of decorum in the dress of employees substantially undermines the value of their brand.

I realize you lack the legal acumen to grasp this argument, but I return to the refusal of a potential Disney hire to wear a mouse logo due to claims that mice are unclean under Islam. The underlying argument is identical, though you lack the wits to grasp it.

It is exactly this reason muslims go insane, more insane, if anyone hints at insulting mo. Samantha Elauf knew exactly what she was doing, she knows exactly what just happened, and she could not be happier. Unfortunately Americans have a very difficult time seeing the big picture. It will be our downfall yet.

The big picture is religious discrimination.

 

[Coyote]

You, Protectionist, are off topic. SCOTUS will rule when such a case is place before it. So these are your next victims. Yes, you are vile.

You are OFF TOPIC, you bad boy. And SCOTUS is out of order. Now what do you think the SCOTUS will have to say about THIS ? >>

Anyone who is going to argue that the Constitution bans Islam should be simply ignored, in business, in society, at church, by the family. Absolute nutcase thinking.

Does the fact that islam specifically states it wants to overthrow the government count?

Show me where the Constitution bans Islam, please.

We have far right social conservative Christians that would subordinate our government to the Bible and their councils. We are not going to ban Christianity.

But Christianity does not specifically say it should overthrow the government. You dodged the question.

Nonsense. Christianity, since it believes in its God as the source of all power and righteousness, obviously would replace secular government if citizens permitted it. Plymouth, Boston, Nauvoo, Salt Lake City are but several examples of such movements. We have a group of bozos who want to turn South Carolina into a Christian state.

There is no version of sharia law in Christianity so how does one create a "Christian state"?

Sure there is.

Definitions description of Christian Reconstructionism etc.

 

[Asclepias]

Gee, look at the throngs of conservative religious rights types on USMB flocking to praise this court ruling in favor of religion.

Islam is not a religion.

Post # 56.

The stupidity of your post is epic in its risibility.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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The hobby lobby case has nothing in common with this case though. .

What an unsurprising post.

 

[Coyote]

There have been quite a few religious discrimination lawsuits over the years. But it seems that folks only get incensed when it's a Muslim plaintiff.

I can't find a single thread bitching about other religions.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Islam is not a religion?

What more evidence do you need of conservative Christian bigotry and hypocrisy as it relates to their rants about constitutionally protected religious freedom?

 

[Coyote]

Gee, look at the throngs of conservative religious rights types on USMB flocking to praise this court ruling in favor of religion.

Islam is not a religion.

Post # 56.

Oh pleasedeargod don't start this stupid shit again.

 

[Coyote]

Of course it is. This stupidity is an inevitable result of the folly of treating the first amendment like a special privilege rather than a universal right.

Nonsense. A religion is a system of belief, worship, with a code of ethics. (Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th ed.) Only a complete fool would call Islam a religion with a code of ethics. Islam is a political ideology that has always used religion as a shield from criticism, and you fall for it. Islam is a system of UNethics of the worst kind, and we see it with ISIS every day, who follows Islam (the Koran) to the letter.

See Post # 56 for links

Islam has a code of ethics. You can sit down now.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I wonder if Abercrombie allows an employee to wear an Abercrombie hoodie with the hood up?